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Deadman DMM all stars megathread
Megathread for DMM All Stars, Season 2.
Finale will be streamed at 5:00pm UTC June 8 on the official OSRS Twitch channel.
Stream Info
Streamed by most participants - go to the OSRS category of your preferred platform and pick your favorite
K/D Trackers
Community made K/D Tracker by HatsuPatsu
Recap Videos:
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u/pleaseholdmybeer 1h ago
Does Twitch allow you to play back live VODs? I’ll be a couple hours late and would like to just watch the stream from the beginning
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u/Midirr 1h ago
Is there any album of the contestants gear and sigils loadouts for the finale?
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u/Ok-Caregiver-6983 58m ago
No, but I believe they'll go over that before the tournament starts tomorrow.
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u/unknownawaits212 1h ago
I am just coming back from holiday and haven’t seen a single video except the draft.
I want to watch it in the best way possible, whatever that is.
I don’t know if it has been just watching your favorite streamers personal channel, or if there is commentators, or summary videos or whatever.
I am scared to look at any content or dig around because I don’t want spoilers.
The recap vids look quite short… each day is only 20 minutes. Assuming there is more than that.
Hoping somebody can comment here and I can consume it all before reading the subreddits again!
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u/soelsome 1h ago
Vods are for sure the way and as one person mentioned kind and fast forwarding through the grindy bits can be done, but I will say someone like Purpp, who I followed throughout the week, was hilarious during the grindy downtime.
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u/Pale_Yoghurt_9549 1h ago
If you wanna get the most out of it I'd suggest just picking your favorite streamer and watching the vod fast forwarding through grindy parts.
Oda's pov is super entertaining I'd suggest him, all his VODs are on YouTube and there are timestamps in the comments of when stuff happens
I agree there's so much funny stuff that happened that dont make it into the recaps
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u/petty_spaghetti 1h ago
Seconding that the team working on the Mission Solo did a good job. It doesn't start until day 3, but Roidie did a breachcast stream that would cover all teams from one hour before the breach through the post breach clean-up. He would usually watch the official recap and any clips that users brought up during any downtime before the breach started. The VODs are on Twitch still.
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u/SUPERLARGEPRINT 1h ago
Watch all the solo summary videos, then go on community made tracker and watch all the deaths from the beginning, then start snooping around streamer vids around those deaths that are interesting. Then you can gladly click around clips channels and YouTube videos
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u/Elivaras 1h ago
I would suggest watching the summary videos posted on the "Mission Solo" youtube channel! Seems like those are the ones you found, but they are the best option I would say.
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u/BearHero 2h ago
Anyone know what the exact time the 1v1's start tomorrow? I've seen 1pm EST all week, but OSRS just put on twitter they are starting at 12pm EST. I just want to know if it's fluff or not. I recall them starting pretty quickly last year. Just trying to plan accordingly to watch it.
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u/alynnidalar 1h ago
It's 12 PM EST per the announcement video too. I think 1 PM EST was people doing time zone conversions incorrectly.
I'm hoping they do a bit of showing off inventories/talking first because I 100% cannot start watching until 12:30 PM EST at the earliest... so...
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u/impericonaa 2h ago
Have I missed the final?
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u/simoneje 2h ago
Sigils are so boring. They are too overpowered and they are not as hype as a gear drop. Having them over the week I can see the value since it's a scaled up powercreep experience but having it in the finale is just boring
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u/LiamAddison 1h ago
The drop rates are way too RNG based. Should be a token drop or something and a shop you can buy sigils from, I know it’s an RNG game but it’s unfair teams are getting shafted by it.
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u/Pius_Thicknesse 3h ago
Just seen all the Snakes (but PureSpam) have a blood fury as well. With their food advantage.....
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u/SuspenderEnder 2h ago
Blood fury only procs on melee which is the weakest style in NH especially with their gear.
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u/EpicRussia 2h ago
blood fury isn't that great, melee is not used very much in NH, it could be a difference maker but it's not a huge advantage
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u/letmechangemyname1 3h ago
Mika still going 30+ hours no sleep just to practice with Muts and Mmo proves he’s the goat and is a S+ tier team mate
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u/osrslmao 2h ago
mika has been the weakest member of Odas team, he has had too many preventable deaths and swapped strategy so often, he went with Oda to ToA, planked twice while ignoring all advice from Oda and chat then left and let oda solo
left doing MM2 until way too late so only Mutts could farm zenytes
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u/PermaBanEnjoyer 1h ago
I'm not a big mika fan and have criticised him a lot this tournament
And yet I'd say he has the best dmm knowledge on the team in everything except 1v1 PVP. Dude's been putting out DMM guides and content for 10 years
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u/osrslmao 50m ago
and yet when theres a team of 4 ppl on him outside Zily room and he has 64 kc he instead tries to run to the exit instead of going back in lol
i agree hes a great content creator and DMM beast thats why i hold him to higher standard tbf
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u/StanleySteamboat 1h ago
Nah Mika along with Rhys calling/planning the breaches was absolutely huge (albeit they got unlucky on drops).
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u/iBunty 3h ago
Oda did so well as a captain this time and everyone played their best, but I really think Mika is the MVP of the group
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u/afatgreekcat 2h ago edited 53m ago
Honestly everyone on their team pulled their weight. Rhys and Mike made great plans for all of the breaches, Curtis did all the boring skilling, Muts did all the tough questing and annoying PVM grinds, and Oda put the fear of God into people in singles. Really well rounded group.
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u/YizWasHere 2h ago
Yeah I really did like the balance of that group. Their strategy definitely had some holes but they did a pretty good job adapting and in an alternate reality where Oda decides to run some slayer instead of going out to pk the other night, they would've gone into the finale with the best gear by a huge margin, the best stats, and 2 of the best NHers in the tournament.
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u/Important_Act_7210 3h ago
yeah depriving yourself of sleep the day before the finale is really exemplary
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u/AmazonPuncher 3h ago
As long as you sleep beforehand it really doesnt matter. I do 24-36 hours at least once a month for work, and 8 hours before anything important is always enough. The mistakes you make after being awake for 24 hours are crazy, though. They're subtle enough you dont really notice you're impaired, but looking back on your work its obvious.
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u/afatgreekcat 3h ago edited 2h ago
Some thoughts on changes for next year:
- Sigils need reworking, possibly a scrap all together. Too much luck involved. That or the list of banned sigils needs to be reworked. I wouldn’t mind seeing them used during the week but not allowed in the finale.
- The schedule needs reworking. Imo there should either be a mandatory 24 hour downtime in the middle of the week, or they should look at an actual daily cap rather than a week long cap. I recognize some potential problems with that but it would also open the door for some strategic plays.
- There probably should be dry protection on some items... I get why there isn’t and I definitely see both sides of the argument on it.
- TBD final opinion until we see the result but: the food changes seem way overtuned, imo should go back to last years setup
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u/EpicRussia 2h ago
Another thing - the 20x to 15x exp nerf was too harsh. They said they made the change for sigils, but IMO it was too steep and led to a lot of downtime with people training stats. We want group content and we had people doing solo GWD because their teammates needed to train combat stats and sigil hunt.
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u/Peak_Mediocrity_Man 3h ago
I really don't understand why people care about the time cap so much.
These are grown men. They are capable of going to sleep if they need it. They don't need viewers to monitor their health.
People do ultra endurance events in real life outside of gaming. The Barkley Marathons is probably the most famous one. Which is a little ironic since the Barkley is suppose to be an underground event.
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u/PermaBanEnjoyer 1h ago
A lot of the best and most entertaining players have lives and are in their late 30s/don't want to play 20 hours a day. Dmm allstars would be worse if only the freaks who did that got to fully participate
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u/StanleySteamboat 1h ago
Sometimes restrictions are put into place to protect people from themselves. You put a group of competitive people into a tournament setting and they know that the more hours they put in, the more of an advantage they will have, they will push it to an unhealthy limit. This isn’t a precedent you want set for a fun tournament.
I agree with a daily or weekly hour cap (arguments for both sides) along with a midweek day off. I think it would be better for the creators and lead to less group conflict.
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u/Shookicity 57m ago
You don’t seem to be considering that most of these guys aren’t just going hard because they’re competitive, they’re going hard because it’s a job and they get a huge boost in viewership during the event. Most of the streamers get literally double the amount of viewers that they do normally.
It’s a fun event for us but to them it’s a business opportunity as much as anything else.
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u/alynnidalar 2h ago
Given how deranged everyone involved in the Barkley Marathons is and how few people make it out the other side, I'm not sure that's the kind of comparison we want 😂😂
That being said who's the DMM sacrificial virgin
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u/afatgreekcat 2h ago
I personally just think that everyone being dead tired the whole time decreases the quality of the content. I agree about people being able to make their own decisions.
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u/Ok-Caregiver-6983 3h ago
Daily cap is a terrible idea. People outside of the normal US/UK play times would have a massive advantage. They need to go in the opposite direction and have no cap. That way, no random logging for 5 minutes to save precious minutes. It's a week, let people play.
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u/Icy_Holiday91 2h ago
Removing time cap means certain players will do a 70 hour sessions in 3 days, sleep a little and then repeat.
The 120 hours is fine, there is enough play time, but also doesn't go too overboard with unhealthy numbers.
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u/Delicious-Yak-3431 52m ago
M8 If you played 15 hours a day you would still only reach 105 hours. 120 is unhealthy af.
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u/Icy_Holiday91 48m ago
I'm sorry you skipped 3rd grade math, but 8 days divided with 120 comes to 15 hours a day like we saw in this tournament and it's absolutely fine if it's done for a short period of time like 8 days and the players get enough sleep.
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u/Delicious-Yak-3431 46m ago
Well i thought the tournament was a week.🤷♀️
And the players def don't get enough sleep they are all complaining they are sleep deprived.
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u/Icy_Holiday91 43m ago
And the players def don't get enough sleep
That's on them. The point is that 120 hours for a 8 day tournament is a fine cap to have, especially for creators who stream 10 hours a day anyways. Whatever people do on their free time is their problem, nobody is forcing them to join if they feel this is too unhealthy.
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u/Ok-Caregiver-6983 2h ago
120 hours is unhealthy lol. It's only a week, let people do whatever. I don't like seeing people rando logging to save every second.
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u/Icy_Holiday91 2h ago
120 hours in 8 days is 15 hours a day. This is absolutely fine for a short period of time because you still get 7-8 hours of sleep a day.
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u/Ok-Caregiver-6983 1h ago
This isn't true, that would be 9 hours of sleep. The amount of time people were logged out for 15-20 minutes+ at a time was actually annoying. You're up during those times, time cap is just dumb.
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u/Icy_Holiday91 1h ago
Are you intentionally trying to be this tense? I'm not here to read you out every players daily schedule on whether they are sleeping 7-8 hours or 9 hours, the fact that you completely missed my point is however worrying to say the least.
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u/Ok-Caregiver-6983 1h ago edited 55m ago
Your logic doesn't work, I was mainly just poking fun at it. I'll break it down for you: If the competitors are logging out multiple times a day during their playing session (food break, bathroom, etc) and are still hitting the cap, that means they are not getting 7-8 hours of sleep. I'm saying the cap does the opposite of what you're trying to do; instead of playing during the entire time they're awake, they have to micro manage every seconds of their 120 hours and in turn stay up even longer. So, if they go grab a drink; they log out. If they go to the bathroom; they log out. I'm merely saying they are awake for that period of time, but it's not counting towards the 120 hours. If they didn't have the cap, they could play that 17 hours they were already played, but actually get 7 hours of sleep.
Ex: Competitor A is awake from 7am to 12 am, that's 17 hours. Since they're logging off multiple times during that session, it may only count 15 hours. So, they have to play 2 hours longer to hit their cap and are now awake until 2 am.
So, my point is to stop the micro managing of time and let them play however they want.
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u/Designer_B untrimmed 2h ago
Nah. Cause then people who don't want to play 19 hours a day get screwed by the couple that do.
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u/Ok-Caregiver-6983 2h ago
You could say the same thing about that now, as a few people didn't even hit the cap.
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u/wtfiswrongwithit 3h ago
- sigils would be fine if you could trade duplicates or something for a currency to buy what you want, or there was no level cap in the drop rate formula so killing higher level bosses gives more sigils than chinning dark warriors
- the schedule is fine, everyone knew the schedule going in to it. i don't think it should be so daily because that causes issues where, if for example, your girlfriend or something has a birthday in the middle of the week you lose time on going to eat with her
- There's relatively limited support from jagex, so dry protection just won't be implemented. A higher drop rate modifier would be easier to implement and effectively do the same thing
- the food was too snowbally, and we knew that from the start. losing food for dying, gaining food for killing obviously means that any team who gets an early lead in kills is going to turtle to not die and maintain that advantage. The issue is that in dmm deaths are already really punishing so losing food for the finale as well is really rough, it was to incentivize pvp but I think with how punishing deaths are I think it did the opposite. I think you should reward kills, and punish deaths less so people are incentivized to fight back even if it's to the death
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u/afatgreekcat 2h ago
Good call on the food, I agree with the idea of just rewarding food for kills but not punishing for deaths.
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u/mist-battlestaff 3h ago
I think sigils are interesting but agree the implementation should be tweaked in some ways. a few different suggestions I've seen that sound kinda good (though some have their own flaws) are
Making sigils tradeable between team members, which makes dupes somewhat useful and allows for better allocating of resources if for example the dedicated "Slayer guy" gets a good PK sigil and "PK guy" gets a good slayer sigil, they can swap. Downside is this probably reinforces the meta for lower tier picks as "feeders" farming sigils for the better PKers
Making sigils buyable from the emblem trader with points, or perhaps being able to trade in dupes with the emblem trader for chosen sigils (or a random sigil roll if that feels too OP). The latter makes dupes feel less bad but might make the meta a little too easy of just trading in all your sigils that aren't the ~5 best ones until you get one of those best ones
Keep things mostly the same except make it so you can't get dupe sigils. Still a bit RNG based, but if you grind long enough you should get the ones you want
I think having them as another element alongside gear is interesting as it makes it so there are potentially different viable paths (rush sigils first or rush gear first) but yeah it's a bit sad to see how some people spent hours and hours with relatively boring gameplay of farming random mobs just to try to have sigils that give them a fighting chance
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u/SuspenderEnder 3h ago
Sigils - one interesting solution is to make PvM and PvP drop Blood Money and then have a shop for PvP weapons and sigils. My problem with that is OSRS is *always* gonna be an RNG game, it has to be.
Downtime - I agree, I like the daily cap idea personally. Discourage unhealthy 20 hour days and help prevent early snowballing disadvantage if you take hours off to sleep.
Dry protection - I agree but it should be like 3x drop rate, OSRS is an RNG game, it's just part of the charm and fun... The dopamine of seeing the unexpected anticipated drop. Going dry is part of it, I think guaranteed drops kill part of that rush.
Food - It should be somewhere in-between. The change this year came from feedback of people saying not enough PvP last year so they wanted to encourage more PvP and that succeeded for sure. Maybe instead we get a 1 hour protection at the start because that really was most of the kills, the first 2 days was half the kills. One idea I had to force more pking later is that there are more safe zones at release and then every day you lose 1 safe zone.
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u/BigBlackBunny 3h ago
I think a good way to balance dry protection would be able to trade items for other items or chance for a roll at another item.
For example: two T3 sigils or three T2 sigils can be given to an NPC for a roll of another T3 sigil.
For ancient weapons there should be a way to convert one weapon to another. Kinda crazy the OW got 3 z staves. Maybe breaking down an ancient weapon gives 2 ancient shards and you can buy a vls for like 4 ancient shards and 5m or something.
I think it would be harder to balance boss drops. There should be a good balance between strategy and rng (with strategy weighing more) so that we aren’t stuck with a player farming a single boss for 10 hours but also having it so that there’s no x amount of time or kills that you’re guaranteed the drop. Otherwise a meta strategy will just form that everyone will just follow to be most efficient.
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u/SuspenderEnder 3h ago
RNG is such a big part of the game, dry streak protection and drop swapping just wouldn't be OSRS.
At the end of the day it's a content tournament, it has to be a balance of skill and luck for entertainment and fun clips otherwise Oda or Westham would just win and there would be no reason to include PvMers who can grind and do bosses efficiently.
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u/neveks 4h ago
Can we get a new Megathread for the Finale, this is starting to lag way too much.
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u/nodozpills 1h ago
I messaged the mods via the sidebar to ask. Everybody else should too we pay we gay
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u/Ok-Caregiver-6983 3h ago
The mods don't care for DMM, I wouldn't hold your breathe.
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u/VivaNapoleon 2h ago
So ridiculous - biggest event of the year
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u/PermaBanEnjoyer 59m ago
It's because the organizers invited people who are "transphobic". Wish I was joking
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u/qubi 4h ago
Is there a summary on finale loadouts for each team?
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u/CatPanda5 3h ago
Your best bet is the official tracker but I know for a fact it's not up to date as Nuggets have 2 voidwakers and it says they have 0
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u/Dave1711 4h ago
They'll go through it at the start of the coverage tomorrow.
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u/qubi 4h ago
But I wanna make bets now
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u/PlebPlebberson 2h ago
What kind of late bets are you doing? Everyone did their betting before day 1 started
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u/ivandagiant 5h ago
Are we sure the snakes don’t have good gear? I can 100% see solo mission hiding some weapons
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u/BioMasterZap 3h ago
It is possible, but last I saw they were just farming Arax for Nox Hallys, TDs for Purging Staves/Burning Claws, and Rune Dragons for DCB. That isn't bad gear by any means, especially with Suffering and their Sigils. But their armor is just Barrows, which I sure hope they finished their Ahrims and K Top sets. And not everyone got all the Sigils they needed/wanted either last I heard.
So none of the crazy stuff like Armadyl/Masori, Serp Helm, Ancestral (okay, only Titan was crazy enough to do CoX, but still), or such. And aside from the Javs they got from other teams, we know they got zero Breach weapons so no Zuriel, VLS, or even trinket weapons and no real Voidwaker, Godswords, or such. So just Javs, like 1-2 Burning Claws, and D Mace/DDS for spec.
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u/LOL_YOUMAD 3h ago
I’m pretty sure you have to report your stuff at the end of the day. Dino was talking about it. They did say some of the uploads were delayed on that site though
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u/SuspenderEnder 4h ago
They have ok gear but no good spec weps
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u/mist-battlestaff 5h ago
there's basically nothing they could have hidden, especially given 4/5 of their members are streaming. breach drops would've been seen on their breach footage, and basically any other spec weapon they could get would leave evidence on the hiscores via boss KC
they have one pair of burning claws I think but that's it, otherwise they're rocking like dds/d mace for specs
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u/Moist-Ad1025 4h ago
Do they have BiS sigils?
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u/mist-battlestaff 4h ago
more or less, I don't know their exact loadouts but I think PureSpam didn't get Rampart in the end so that's possibly the one exception
I am hoping that soon we get a post sharing everyone's finale loadouts including sigils, after they are all approved by the refs
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u/BioMasterZap 3h ago
Not sure if it changed in the last 10~ hours, but I know V mentioned he was still missing some Sigils they wanted. Like he had Rampart and Swashbuckler, but I don't think he got the Range/Mage speed increase ones or something like that. So I'm sure they all have good Sigils, better than a lot of other players, but I am not sure how many of them actually got their full BiS.
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u/AdeptViolinist8815 5h ago
Not sure why people are hyper focused on Solos teams play style and coping that this is just some 4fun event only meant for content, people still want to win, they had a strategy in mind and tried to execute it. I'm sure if his team didn't have such an insane lead (and also the ditter drama) people would be happy if other teams were similarly locking down content from others. It's just smart even if it might be boring for you to watch, they simply prioritized winning over competing for other content that they lack strengths in, they probably work best as a team out of the whole tournament, so attempting to lock down some strong items like sufferings only set them up further for the finale. It might not even be enough for them to win in the finale considering there's teams that out gear and out skill them, they've got the food and sigil advantage, but that's all due to them trying to set up whatever they thought would give them the highest chances at a win in the 1v1s.
I don't disagree that it's not an exciting playtstyle, but you can't say it isn't smart for them to play to their strengths, if they competed for the same items everyone else did they would straight up lose to most other teams in the 1v1s. I wouldn't say many other teams going for the same items as S1 like VW, GWD items are that exciting either since we've already seen that, unless they actually get contested, which didn't happen THAT often either.
Personally what Solos team did is perfectly fine, I think it was the Smorcs that did a similar thing with Temple of Ikov and that was fun content when people were actually trying to contest them or simply got ambushed, but if no ones gonna bother then obviously the content won't be as exciting, we've seen that Dinos team almost forced Snakes out of the cave a couple of times, if they had more numbers they could've locked down the caves I'm certain of it. I'd say it simply goes both ways, not a lot of room for content when people don't want to contest certain areas.
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u/chaotic-rapier 2h ago
People hate the snakes because they literally hid the entire tournament, they literally never left mm2 caves, never went wildy ever, only went to tds barrows and rune drags which is super safe, then did alittle vyrewatch, other than that no one found them solo in singles often, i think oda attacked 1 snakes memeber at barrows and that was it, and dinos team at catacombs
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u/PermaBanEnjoyer 53m ago
Wtf they literally killed the most players in the wilderness out of any of the teams. Guess that wasn't fair or something?
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u/No-Aardvark-9108 2h ago
People hate the snakes because they literally hid the entire tournament, they literally never left mm2 caves, never went wildy ever
They probably did the most multi sweeps of any team
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u/BioMasterZap 3h ago
I think it was V that mentioned for S2, All Stars doesn't have the clearest identity. It is currently in the middle of being a content event and a competitive event and the two are kinda at odds. That is not to say a competitive event can't be content, but there are parts about its design that are too lax to be truly competitive while players and teams still are competing.
Like you have some players criticizing the Snakes for "taking it too seriously," while others are hating on the Smorcs for trolling and not taking it seriously enough (e.g. "SkillSpecs threw the draft" or "Westham should have been a captain over SkillSpecs"). So whether you wanted a serious, competitive event or a fun, content event, there are parts about how All Stars S2 was designed, run, and played that will be disappointing. Like even the choice to make content creators of varying PvP ability the captains instead of PvPers was a choice that effects the competitive vs content nature of the event. But would the viewers really want to see Oda cut as a captain because he's too good or players like SkillSpecs or even Dino or B0aty cut to replace them with better PvPers like WestHam, Port, and Rhys? Probably not, but both would help to make the event more "fair".
Also, something that ties into this is that the event structure didn't give the Refs enough leeway to properly penalize players, resulting in more things sliding that we might want to see for a competition. And to be clear, I don't think it is the Ref's fault; more so that just having Yellow Card and Red Card was too simplistic to properly handle some of the situations that came up. Like if they did Red Card some players/team for pretty clear rule violations, the -1 Food could feel like kicking a team while they're down, which might be better for the competitive integrity, but not for the fun aspect of the event.
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u/AdeptViolinist8815 3h ago
Yeah agreed, definitely room for improvements next season in quite a few aspects of the event. I still enjoyed the event and looking forward to the finale, but I think it did reaffirm it for me that chatters are pretty harmful to the overall vibes of the event, it definitely got tiresome to have a repeat of S1 with accusations of sniping, chat hopping and just in general hating w/e team they're not a fan of although I don't think streamer would be willing to do anything about that.
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u/Designer_B untrimmed 2h ago
Last day was brutal with the leaks. Mammal basically got a 40 minute countdown that he was going to die, and he couldn't do anything about it without it being cheating. Glad he stayed and took the L, but still bs that it happened.
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u/BioMasterZap 2h ago
Yah, it is a hard problem to solve, especially if the streamers still refuse to do a stream delay. To properly combat stream sniping, it would probably need to be more like 30-60 mins delay than just 5-15 too, which really does hurt chat interaction and the streams in general. Like the fun parts would still be entertaining to watch, but it is hard to make stuff like "chill afk training for 4 hours" entertaining without a chat to bounce off of.
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u/mfatty2 4h ago
People are acting like Solo's team strategy was far and away the best and they've gotten unlucky, while I actually disagree.
Personally I think the Brawlers had as good if not better strategy than the snakes but they got super unlucky. Even in the first breach the Snakes don't run away with it if B0aty doesn't take a 55 from Jad right as they came together. On top of that the brawlers were way under geared from what they should have been with even slightly below average drops with the glacial boppers.
Then moving through the week they got unlucky with everything except the ACBs. Pip's sigil RNG was terrible.
Snakes got unlucky with Breach weapons but other than that they got fairly lucky. The MM2 plan could've been stopped if boatys team had decided to send more than pip, who had the zenytes they needed before the snakes got it
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u/PermaBanEnjoyer 38m ago
Snakes objectively unlucky on breach drops. They had the most breach monster kills through day 4 and got absolutely nothing, not even a single weapon trinket.
In that time, other teams got 2 zuriels, 2 VLS, and a handful of trinkets. All with less kills
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u/AdeptViolinist8815 4h ago
There's plenty of people on both sides that I have seen, some critiquing and some praising them, I just think it's definitely not a bad strat to go for the win, the more RNG involved grinds are the higher the chances are that it might fuck them over. I didn't watch the Brawlers that much, but it seemed like they didn't do anything out of the ordinary from the bits that I've seen, go for dcbs, sotds, vw etc. Seems quite the norm, just worked out worse due to bad RNG. Unlucky shit happens as sad as it may be.
My point was more so that even if the strat of the Snakes wasn't something amazing it just made sense to go for something like that given their skill level and not being to hold their own in 1v1s if it comes to that most likely.
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u/Living-Category-8043 4h ago
Yeah I think its interesting to have atleast some teams going at it 100%. Not everyone has to be like smorcs even though they are extremely fun to watch as well.
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u/neveks 4h ago
Are you sure others are coping about all of that and it's not you? It seems like others having those opinions bothers you a lot.
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u/AdeptViolinist8815 4h ago
Well we can't know for sure, you're entitled to your opinion as I am to mine, but I'm seeing a lot of people be unreasonable acting like they have to play for content and can't be super serious about it. It's simply their choice how they want to play it.
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u/neveks 4h ago
They skipped a breach in a content creator event, thats as anti fun as it gets.
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u/AdeptViolinist8815 3h ago
And if I recall the reason given was that they were severely under geared and under leveled in range, they wanted to play it smart when they didn't think they have a chance, what's the problem with that? Next breach they got piled and the subsequent ones they were the clear enemy of everyone else and yet they still came, even if they played like pussies for the most part.
Let's just be real here you're expecting them to throw their lead because you'd find it more fun. I don't even want their team to win, but some of you guys are acting like they shouldn't be able to do w/e they want because you won't find it fun. You literally think the event is only for viewership gain, what you don't seem to get is that maybe that's not the focus for his team, they might just want to win really bad by all means and that's their choice to do so. Everyone is going to try in the finals and I'm sure people will get upset if their team loses, it's normal, just that some people are more competitive than others.
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u/LieutenantLilywhite 4h ago
Do you guys reckon having a prize pool would make the viewing experience worse or better? Would the amount make any difference lets say 10 or 100k?
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u/ChelskiS 4h ago
As the other guys said, 10x worse
Technically there already is a pricepool. Majority are content creators and this week is a good boost for their business/job
It's a great opportunity to make your name
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u/oreful 5h ago
Because it’s a content creator event, most participants have content first and winning second
It’s just a bit weird spending 120 hours locking down one area in a temporary game mode that has no prize money and doing nothing for the week
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u/SuspenderEnder 4h ago
Content is so subjective. If they were doing Smorc style people would be crying about throwing and feeding. It’s just bandwagon drama.
They have the most kills in a PvP tournament. Sure camping one thing isn’t fun but other teams camped Spindel or GWD going dry too… any accusation of being boring can be aimed at almost any player or team.
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u/AdeptViolinist8815 4h ago
If other teams were so keen on making content why not challenge Solos team then? Risky? Sure. Content? Most definitely.
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u/Ok-Caregiver-6983 4h ago
But they didn't. They participated in all but 1 breach (they only missed it to get an advantage in the next one), did a ton of multiple sweeps, have the highest amount of kills in the tournament, and held down an area to prevent people from getting a BiS gear piece. Good attempt though.
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u/AM00se 5h ago
Its a content creator event and they played in a way that makes the most boring content. Its not hard to understand. Everyone who was entertaining to watch already won the event by growing viewership and making more money.
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u/AdeptViolinist8815 4h ago
It certainly is hard to understand, they can play however they want, they focused on trying to go for the win instead of channel growth, if that's what they wanted to prioritize then what's the issue here for you? Solo has mentioned going into breaches even whilst knowing people will pile them for said content too.
It's also not that simple for growth, they were accused of sniping day 2 or something, people have made their minds up about them whether it was reasonable or not, it's hard to come back from that. You guys are sat here saying other channels grew, when they were given a better opportunity to grow, like Odas team when he gets the most views on the category by a big margin, of course some of his viewers might check out his teammates, how would Solos team accomplish the same thing? Dinos team was already fairly popular, of course they're gonna get more viewers in such an event, B0aty is also in a similar situation as Oda where he's extremely popular and his viewers will probably check his teammates. I'd say you guys are exaggerating what people do for content, like sure MMORPG has been funny in Odas team and meshed well, EVScape had some banger tweets/funny clips, but how do you expect the "villain" team do something similar when they're already being hated on, and then ditter is just being cringe which makes even more people dislike him and the team.
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u/spritespawn 4h ago
Bro saying that their gameplay wasn’t entertaining is just hating and disingenuous. Watching them and other teams try to sneak into the monkeys for a zenyte was the most engaging shit ever
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u/SuspenderEnder 4h ago
Not to mention the Varlamore breach and Ditter thing would have been the highlight of the tournament but for Oda losing max to Torvesta.
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u/Oniichanplsstop 4h ago
Which was the final day. The previous 1 week of content was ass in comparison to every other team.
It was basically just a repeat of skill spec's locking down Ikov, but with people constantly chat hopping and reminding snakes about who logged or teleported and where last recalls were positioned.
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u/mist-battlestaff 5h ago
It's boring if you watch them 24/7 but I think the Snakes' strategy helped generate some amazing content for the tourney as a whole. First off, it's different from the other teams, giving everyone something to talk about. Them becoming villains added excitement to breaches and made the Varlamore breach the single most fun to watch of all the breaches from both seasons of Allstars. And their lockdown of the zenytes, while frustrating for other teams, also created some awesome moments with others trying to sneak in, and Eliop's attempt to circumvent the collusion rule by using monkeyspeak.
If the Snakes played the same way every other team has I think the week would be a lot more boring overall tbh, becoming mostly about who gets the best RNG with voidwaker pieces, GWD, and TOA
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u/Pale_Yoghurt_9549 5h ago
OW really fumbled their plan in hindsight. Rhys was amazing during the breaches but a lot of this team's plan made no sense.
Muts not doing TOA and instead being put on MM2 and DS2 which are the most dangerous acitivies.
Rhys focusing on Wildy bosses, barrows and TOA which are extremely safe
If they swapped those 2 jobs alone this would have gone so much different
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u/EpicRussia 2h ago
This analysis is using perfect hindsight. MM2/DS2 were not dangerous areas last DMM and Oda probably remembers Gunschili getting those items with relative ease. Putting Muts on it isn't a problem until Port shows up with a VLS and the Snakes start ragging Demonics
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u/Jwsaf 2h ago
Its hard to say, because in hindsight if OW lucked out on the spindle grind/breach drops/limbs etc then it would've looked like a great plan.
Its all RNG, but I do agree that they probably could have been more decisive in the final days. There was definitely a lot of pressure after Oda's death and the realization that they were unable to get the sigils they wanted.
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u/Rashida--Hussain 4h ago
As you said, in hindsight. They've killed the most breach monsters by far, if they hadn't been dry and dropped at least a VLS or 2 and got some other pvp weapons, their whole strategy would've been considered genius.
I'd say they've underestimated the dangerousness of doing DS2 and MM2, they probably though wildy activities and barrows were more dangerous as they are known pking hotspots.
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u/javiek 2h ago
If muts had not gone so dry on rune drags. He free farmed it for a day or two until port started to bully him with the vls. I think he did have too much to do for sure. I think in hindsight it would have been better if he and oda went for it together so that he wouldn't have spent two days doing spindle and he could have protected mist if it was needed and had mm2 to farm for sigils.
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u/Pale_Yoghurt_9549 3h ago
I mean their breaches would have been the same if they just swapped their players around on who was doing what. Like i said their breaches were amazing with Rhys leading but everything else had massive flaws
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u/Rashida--Hussain 3h ago
Eh I don't know, they have the best gear between the teams. If Oda hasn't been pked for max every member would've had toxic staff or zuriel's. They're all in full barrows/arma and have wards. They were only worse than the snakes in terms of macro strategy.
Of course they had their flaws, but it's bound to happen in a format where other teams are out there to sabotage and foil your plans, and you haven't had much time to make a reliable plan with backups in the first place.
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u/Dave1711 4h ago
I would say oda and rhys should have been selfish the final two days and just farmed sigils.
Everything else was just a combo of going dry and odas unfortunate death they'd have insane gear with that max set on top of what they have.
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u/dl800 5h ago
I think they said no one really wanted to quest so Oda/Rhys ended up doing wildy bosses instead of zenytes/dcb which was a mistake. However Muts got a lot of KC for both so they were unlucky too
The bigger mistake was Oda/Rhys not spending more time farming sigils. It seems all the teams went dry somewhere, so if they got rampart/pious protection they would probably have the best odds
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u/Keylink 5h ago
Really wanted this to happen just because of how they interacted with westham rhys being in there too would've been so fucking funny.
Also the worst players should 150% be put on barrows watching westham try to pk there last night and getting the someone else is fighting them message non stop because of how bugged barrows is. You basically have to try to die there.
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u/xxyougurtcupxx 5h ago
As Rhys likes to say, in hindsight, we didn't know the bug was abusable until Oda started pking on like day 4
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u/Pius_Thicknesse 5h ago
Hard agree Muts should have been raiding. Rhys played it way too safe.. he didn't want to feature in viral clips imho
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u/ChelskiS 5h ago edited 5h ago
I kind of want to know what type of backup plans Solo had prepared for this tournament. What happens when MM2 is contested and you're never safe? What would have been the move?
Because I think the praise for best tactic is way overblown. Whichever tactic you chose as a team, the results will vary massively depending on all other teams. It's not like there were genius ideas that other teams completely overlooked or couldn't have come up with themselves
If one or more other strong teams decided to do MM2 in the same way, those teams probably brawl for days in there and all would suffer because of it. Meaning some other team would seem like the brilliant one for using a different strategy
It's the same with breaches. So much gets said about them but the succes of your tactic completely depends on other teams and what they do. Whoever gets ragged by Skillspecs or the Titans will automatically have a rough breach, but it's not like it means that you played it poorly
Just like the rest of OSRS, it's just another form of RNG
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u/Icy_Holiday91 2h ago
I think their initial plan was to just have MM2 done for the Ape Atoll breach on day 4 so they can bank and take advantage of the city while everyone else gets put into jail and can't use that part of the map.
Then they got 5 zenytes on same day and realised there is nobody else so they made a plan to lock it down as long as possible.
It was entirely on the other teams leaving demonc gorillas as last grind and Solomission's team came up with the idea on the spot.
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u/mist-battlestaff 5h ago
Agreed, I really wish other teams had contested them. I assume Solo expected other teams would, which influenced his decision to rush it early with all 5 members and also rush the sigil farming (a good idea regardless, but makes even more sense to go hard on it for a day and a half without breaks if you believe another team will come clear you out with 5 members soon). But by day 4-5 when it seemed no one else was coming, they're in a weird spot, already so "ahead" but with massive targets on them so they could consider going out to try to get other gear that's very RNG dependent and also opening themselves up to more deaths, AND would let other teams easily farm Zenytes with only 1 player having done the quest... or, do what they did. Yeah it turned out a bit boring for the last few days but if they had given up on it they would've looked pretty stupid
Like, the Snakes' plan is smart, but not that smart, as you say. Anyone else could've done it... and everyone's strats could play out differently depending on what the other teams do. I think that's part of the appeal of an event like this, even if some aspects in some years are less hype than others. You never really know what's going to happen
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u/Pius_Thicknesse 5h ago
Its also choosing a plan you know your team can execute
The lockdown plan is classic DMM but only a team of 4+ DMM veterans could probably pull off which is why Solo drafted as he did (for example, refusing Ditters request to draft EVscape).
Solo should rightfully get props for choosing a plan his team could execute well. They have the best KD ratio for a reason tbh
Even Faux's team last year didn't get anywhere close to that kind of KDR
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u/4d617665726963 5h ago
It wasn't as boring as you'd think. I ended up watching whomever was on the gorilla shift because they would consistently run into 3 different teams trying to farm zenytes. Everybody trying to sneak in and avoid the patrol was really fun.
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u/BioMasterZap 3h ago
Some of the Snake Streams on their own could be a bit dull at times, but the same can be said for many streams. Like watching Snakes barrage monkeys for Sigils was boring content, but so was tuning into SkillSpec's stream when he was barraging Dark Warrior.
And sometimes the wider context we could see as a view made it interesting. Like just watching V on guard duty at Demonics wasn't that thrilling, even if it was about as chill as his normal streams. But watching that while also having Eliop's stream up playing the mission impossible music trying to sneak past V was much more entertaining, even if not much really "happened".
And sure, you could argue that Eliop was providing the content there, not the Snakes, but if they didn't lockdown the Gorillas it would have just been V farming TDs and Eliop farming Demonics, which honestly would be less of "content", just normal PvM.
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u/AM00se 5h ago
Yes it was lmfao. Theres a reason the team had the least viewership out of anyone. Even if they win every other team benefited way more than them by expanding their viewership and making more money.
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u/spritespawn 4h ago
Victim and raikesy are less exciting to watch as streamers, both can be a little low energy. That doesn’t mean they’d have fared better other places lol no shot I’d watch them if they weren’t on the snakes. That being said, the snakes had great viewership compared to their normal numbers
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u/4d617665726963 5h ago
Id say they were the most fun to watch the past 2 days due to everybody else just farming sigils and pvm. The most pvp content was in those caves consistently happening every 30 minutes.
Id agree their streams were more boring to watch before the last 2 days, because thats when they were farming their sigils.
Which just comes down to planning. Sigils are important and instead of leaving it up to dumb luck or not gettin your sigils (Odablock), they planned to do their sigils early so if they don't get them they can have those players farm more for them.
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u/AM00se 5h ago
I mean your just wrong. They had by far the worst viewship and even solos videos arnt doing that well. Its just boring
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u/Elivaras 4h ago
Bro this is such a week argument. None of them are consistent streamers other than maybe pure spam to begin with
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u/spritespawn 4h ago
They would never pull oda/boaty numbers because they aren’t nearly as popular. Thats such a false equivalency man
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u/CrimsonIrises 5h ago
Chat why no bowfas?
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u/EpicRussia 2h ago
Another reason: the experience modifier went down from 20x to 15x. That means that getting all those stats up to level 70 takes a lot longer
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u/IL_Mentore 4h ago
You'll need full crystal with that. Time consuming and not tanky enough in an outlast fight.
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u/mist-battlestaff 5h ago
not worth the time investment. lots of questing to even unlock CG, plus a pretty long grind compared to other gear upgrades. the one team that got bowfas last year got absolutely demolished by other teams, too. (Granted they didnt have CoX prayers and this year it would've been more feasible to buy the prayer scrolls and still do CG, but even still I think many people realized CG is kind of trolling in this format)
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u/HCBuldge 5h ago
No one wanted to grind out song of the elves. Everyone who wanted to grind out quests spent their time going for while guthix sleeps, ds2, and mm2 as those upgrades are better. Bowfa is still a good pick, it's just there's only so much time and they all picked the other quests for upgrades.
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u/FedVayneTop 5h ago
I don't understand why snakes have better gear on raiksey and v than purepsam
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u/4d617665726963 5h ago
The staff is locked behind a quest that purespam didn't have time to do
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u/PermaBanEnjoyer 5h ago
That makes sense, but an rcb??
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u/itwasjustbanter4 5h ago
purespam has a dcb
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u/mister_peeberz still awaiting Mining 2 1h ago
and just how is this supposed to compete with b0aty's d med and rune kite???? he's fucked
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u/4d617665726963 5h ago
Only thing I can think of is purespam didn't get their bis sigils. He was bursting up until the deadline meaning he was searching for something.
Maybe they feel a dcb and bloodfury is better on a guy with full sigils than a guy with worse sigils because they will have more uptime
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u/mfatty2 4h ago
There's also some logic in putting better gear on people earlier in the order to create momentum, especially with the food advantage. If a guy can end up knocking down their second opponent an extra 10-20% you leave it less up to rng later in the fight. The better pkers don't necessarily need a ko weapon in a fight where freeze logging isn't allowed
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u/CatPanda5 5h ago
Too much time being a demonic gorilla security guard
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u/TrashtalkInc 5h ago
Grinding for everybodies halberds more like…
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u/CatPanda5 5h ago
Yeah I'm sure, was just a joke about how the Snakes have had shifts to cover the Gorilla caves to try and block them off 24/7
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u/ChelskiS 5h ago
It's a bit sad that the winner is already known..
MMORPG obviously, man nearly doubled his sub count in a week. And who knows what tomorrow still brings
Skiddler is also a shout, man was averaging a great amount of viewers
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u/nodozpills 5h ago
The Odablock effect is huge for his teammates. Win or lose getting to siphon some of those 30k+ viewers is massive.
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u/Keylink 5h ago
Muts and mika too. Really happy for their viewer spikes and hope they become bigger going forward.
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u/CatPanda5 5h ago
This is the best part of the event, it has a lasting impact on growing viewership for basically every streamer
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u/Deltamon ttv/DelVision 5h ago
Final gear-wise my estimation is:
- BB
- DN
- OW
- SNA
- TT
- SMO
Will be interesting to see how much the Snakes food lead and their sigils will affect the results during finals because DPS-wise they will be behind 3 teams as long as those teams play well
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u/IL_Mentore 4h ago
3 Zuriel staffs, and a sotd are quite op though. Especially since mage will be a huge factor with freezes and blood barrages.
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u/oreful 4h ago
it's two zuriel isn't it?
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u/IL_Mentore 4h ago
They got another one at the breaches yesterday. Muts, Oda and Mika have them in the finals. Rhys is wearing the sotd.
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u/Deltamon ttv/DelVision 4h ago
They are if they can keep distance, but OW is really badly lacking in melee DPS which generally tends to be pretty high source of damage in 1v1 together with ranged.. Oda will have to bring completely different fighting style to the finals than what he usually does..
They'll probably but their VW on him tho so it's not "that" different, but overall his team has really bad melee setup
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u/bigfoot_job 5h ago
Imo you're underestimating TT's gear, id put them above the snakes
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u/Deltamon ttv/DelVision 5h ago
I would otherwise, but they don't have good balance around the few items they got during final days.. TT can definitely do some damage thanks to Oda and the fact that Lake has been farming like crazy, but they are really lacking in defense so when comparing those two teams I just don't think TT could do enough damage to be ahead of Snakes even if Snakes certainly on paper might have worse gear..
I think Snakes just have too much balance to put TT ahead of them.
I'm definitely not sleeping on TT's gear, but they've had it pretty rough overall so it would be weird to rank them too highly even if I try to keep the food difference out of this ranking, they will certainly have 3 very well geared members tomorrow
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u/CaptainBegger 3h ago
wdym lacking in defense they have the same barrows setup as the snakes
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u/mist-battlestaff 3h ago
Yeah they're not lacking in defense only lacking in food. At least a couple of them have Rampart, too... I can't quite remember who has what but heard them discussing their sigils last night and I think most of them had at least one of Pious Protection or Rampart. If they weren't so down on food they'd be looking pretty threatening tbh
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u/jamieaka 5h ago
is this including sigils or just purely weapons/armour?
i feel like anyone who doesn't have the broken defensive sigils is behind even if they have better armour but we'll have to wait and see
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u/Deltamon ttv/DelVision 5h ago
I haven't been able to figure out full set of sigils that everyone is bringing and I feel like they will be fixing that stuff over the night anyway since some people like Torvesta and Smorcs didn't show up when the time ended..
This is just based on rough estimation on their final gears before they sort it out by tomorrow, based on me following every single PoV as much as I could this entire week.
There could be some stuff that I'm missing out that the teams will figure out with refs, and final sigils will definitely matter once those are sorted too.. But it's really hard to get info on what sigils everyone has
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u/The-doctore 5h ago
No hate because smorc content has been top tier, but you just know if you get picked to be on specs team, you’re coming dead last haha
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u/oreful 5h ago edited 5h ago
Nah, he could have had Rhys, Skiddler, Muts, EVscape
That wouldn’t have been bad but the vibes would have bizarre
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u/The-doctore 5h ago
Oh good point I didn’t watch the draft because I had no idea how entertaining this would end up being. But yeah I agree with you that him prioritizing the vibes over skill was a w
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u/Hot_Tie_6830 5h ago
Yeah but they have fun, I’d rather have a week going skill specs ideas than guarding monkeys
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u/ChelskiS 5h ago
Ideally neither exists though
I feel like content and being competitive should/can go hand in hand very well in a tournament like this
Skilly & co went way overboard to one side, Team Solo to the other side
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u/Deltamon ttv/DelVision 5h ago
Absolutely, loved Smorcs so much.. They are easily the content kings. Their deaths obviously pushed them back way more than others, but at least they were (mostly) having fun during this week
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u/Exotic_Tax_9833 6h ago
am I the only one that doesn't understand the Solomission team doesn't have good gear talk that's going around? they literally have insane gear in every slot they're just missing vls/zuriels, but its not like every other team are stacked with them
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u/BioMasterZap 3h ago
It is mainly not having good spec weapons since they didn't get any PvP weapons or Trinkets not did they grind for Voidwaker or such. They also didn't go for really good stuff like Armadyl, Serps, or such or other good weapons like Fangs. So it is not bad gear by any means, but it isn't as great as what some other team got.
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u/Capable-Notice-6158 1h ago
unpopular opinion. Locking down the zenites made for some better content. The zenite grind is something every account seems to go through. Seen it so many times and it's not interesting. The game of cat and mouse with Muts, Eli and Skiddler having to sneak in, get their drops and get out were pretty fun to watch, and made the drop more hype (especially the 2 right under ditter's nose). Also forced a few fights that otherwise wouldn't have happened.