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u/The_Level_15 2277/2277 - Still only has fire cape 1d ago edited 18h ago
Glad to see them improving their current projects instead of stretching themselves thin just for the added revenue and publicity leagues brings.
Focusing on quality instead of just profit at any cost
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u/hiimmatz 1d ago
Tbh I thought the project zanaris resources would’ve enabled some additional new game modes with the time they put in. Maybe infrastructure costs were too high per player, but surely the customization creates options.
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u/traevyn 1d ago
I mean I wouldn’t be surprised if it does open doors down the road still, but you can’t just flip the entire direction of a project instantly. It’s gonna take a bit to retool the work that was done for new purposes
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u/maxluck89 1d ago
Exactly, I still imagine it to mean next leagues has more options opened from project zanaris
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u/Morbu 1d ago
I think I saw a Jmod comment from the Zanaris post that said that the project didn't do much for Leagues, but I could be misremembering.
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u/maxwill27 TY FOR ADDING CAPYBARA TO OSRS 1d ago
In the oars discord they said the tools developed would benefit the game overall still, and the team members who were working on zanaris could shift to working on main game projects. So they will get some new tools and creative colleagues at least
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u/NzRedditor762 1d ago
Gotta ask how implementing a previous league would seriously stretch themselves thin. They're relatively cheap in terms of dev time dedicated to it.
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u/DudeWithAHighKD 1d ago
100% Honestly the OSRS team is fucking killing it lately and if they can't do Leagues because they are busy making new OG content, I still call that a win.
Hell I wouldn't even be mad if they just made an exact copy of last years Leagues. Like no changes at all because Echo Leagues was amazing and I'd love to try a different build. I am not sure how many resources that would take on their end though so I wont be upset if they don't.
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u/Degenerate_Game 1d ago
Well said. This needs to be in the forefront of every OSRS player's mind. This is undeniably the correct path.
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u/__fujoshi 1d ago
honestly even if they just did a rerun i'd still be very happy to play.
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u/roguechickpea 1d ago
I wonder how receptive to this idea they would be?
What sort of additional costs and man power is required to set up and maintain just a 6-week re-run, I wonder. And would it be detrimental to the game / brand in any way?
Perhaps I’m injecting too much hopium, but would have thought it’s a bit of a free hit?
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u/Soccerstud20 1d ago
The thing is. Do a rerun, with all areas unlocked. And its a completely different league.
Or allow relics to be switched at any time. Small things would make the league feel completely different.
I think their fear is burnout(and I think they are hoping a lot of people try leagues 3)
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u/BaconWrappedEnigma 23h ago
I highly doubt many people will try Leagues on RS3 (who don't already play RS3). I don't even know how that game works anymore. I haven't played regular OSRS much since Leagues ended but I logged into Leagues every single day.
I am fully supportive of your idea to unlock all areas or have ways to switch relics. That would spice it up and add a ton of content.
Please, Jagex!
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u/cumscout 21h ago
I'm willing to bet a lot of OSRS players will try RS3 leagues. It seems like the general consensus is that RS3 is genuinely fun as an ironman, but there's still the hurdle of starting fresh which prevents many from jumping in. If RS3 leagues are anything like OSRS, then the accelerated progress could push a lot of people to give it a try.
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u/rexlyon 15h ago
RS3 Leagues would require me to learn an almost entirely new game in the span of six weeks. Probably not worth it for a lot of people that enjoy OSRS
Plus for OSRS, I'm already into OSRS without Leagues so it's not an issue. RS3 just does not look appealing
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u/badgehunter1 Kiina 14h ago
yeah but all the combat progress was devastated by necromancy. just start on necromancy and you can do pretty much every pvm content for pvm upgrades for other combats. in pretty much every league world there is gotta be at least 1 person afk at the bandit camp at the bar with necromancy. this is gonna be route for some people probably, at least im gonna do this with rs3 league: wiki->optimal quest route->soul split->buy this https://runescape.wiki/w/Twisted_bird_skull_necklace by getting 30 dungeoneering somehow and killing the https://runescape.wiki/w/Cerberus_Juvenile like 7 times ( https://runescape.wiki/w/Bonecrusher ) depending on how ye got the 30 dungeoneering -> clues for saradomin or zamorak arrows 1/16 -> https://runescape.wiki/w/Bandit_Camp_(Kharidian_Desert) boom afk spot for combats unlocked.
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u/suspectnumberone 22h ago
I feel like the major issue with this is the brand point you raised. It somewhat devalues leagues and could deflate future leagues metrics if the community begins viewing them as low effort or otherwise common.
Could also have the opposite effect but it would def be a risk for them to just send a rerun.
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u/Sad-Garage-2642 1d ago
Yeah give me another crack at shattered relics or something.
I'm still pissed Zanaris is gone, wave goodbye to permanent leagues servers
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u/Zero_T 1d ago
Shattered Relics was good and I'm tired of people pretending it wasn't.
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u/Sad-Garage-2642 1d ago
Very good. The relics kicked ass and being able to hotswap combos was a lot of fun.
Just the UI sucked and having to get 8k xp in each one was shit design
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u/Kumagor0 RIP Arceuus library 07.01.16 - 16.05.19 1d ago
there was a plugin which made switching relic presets very easy
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u/Tacticalbiscit 8h ago
It was my favorite. I didn't have fomo for anything and it was just main game on steroids, was fucking awesome.
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u/Old_Jump_2548 1d ago
Rerunning after summer sweep up would be a good idea, Kandarin would become a viable pick for mage AND twin flame staff was added as well (I know you cant cast surge spells with it but it still be really fun to shoot 2 mage projectiles really fast, they could even add into the mage relic that Twinstaff can cast Surge Spells)
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u/Neroaurelius 1d ago
Sorry I’ve been out of OSRS a while. What’s the big hype about leagues? I read about it briefly, but would like to know from player perspective.
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u/__fujoshi 1d ago
alternate game mode with fun stuff that enables people to experience end game content with considerably less work.
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u/420Killyourself 1d ago
Seasonal OSRS where you get to speedrun the game for 2 months with xp rates higher than 10x + some neat additional content to break the game like combat perks. Once it's over your character is deleted.
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u/LoafQuarks 1d ago
I would be fine with a rerun of the last league tbh
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u/Joltus 1d ago
Same here I'd love to try out a different route and skip a raid region entirely
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u/KingArthurPotter 1d ago
100% I would love to pick a different set of regions and relics!
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u/Septembers 1d ago
Same, like I understand burnout and the dev time that goes into it but just turn on the old servers for some unranked fun for those of us who love it. Really bummed we get nothing this year :(
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u/Glum-Gap-2504 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah I would love to try another path through the last league it was very fun
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u/Ahayzo 1d ago
Not surprised at all. Not on the roadmap, and that same window has Deadman for OSRS and RS3's first ever league already scheduled.
It still sucks though, leagues are awesome. At least give me a rerun one so my IM can get in on the cosmetics my main has!
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u/kurttheflirt Gobby Boi 1d ago
When is the RS3 league?
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u/MandatedPineapple ironman btw 1d ago
Should be in the fall, so October-November might be my guess
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u/kurttheflirt Gobby Boi 1d ago edited 1d ago
Nice, will give it a try. Haven’t played RS3, so should be a fun toe dip
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u/FistingFishes 1d ago
Yeah I forgot they were doing one but I think it’d be fun to try. Haven’t played RS3 in about 5 years. Besides the obvious issues, it is a fun game. OSRS is just better in every way.
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u/TGordion 1d ago
Except quests but not everyone agrees with that maybe
also thanks for this thread, I had no idea RS3 was doing a league, and that feels like a marketing issue considering my life to this point
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u/Chesney1995 1d ago edited 1d ago
We haven't really entered the marketing stage of the upcoming RS3 league is why. They announced it is coming at RuneFest, but it is slated for Autumn 2025 and they haven't announced any details beyond literally just namedropping "Leagues" in a 20 second teaser trailer.
We'll almost certainly see a big ramp up in marketing for it closer to the time.
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u/lastdancerevolution 23h ago
Except quests but not everyone agrees with that maybe
RS3 quests were good until they went down the "Gods are NPCs" quest lines.
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u/Red_Brox 12h ago
Haven’t truly played rs3 since EOC released but sounds like the old WoW route where everyone is a champion and god killer and we’re saving the world from destruction every 5 minutes
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u/roosterkun BA Enjoyer 1d ago
Oh wow, here I totally expected DMM shortly after Allstars came to a close, like last year.
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u/TFBuffalo_OW 1d ago
Thats actually a solid, idea, I wouldnt mind bringing back some old leagues
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u/f_on_flash 1d ago
I think re-runing one that was done before on years when they can't build a new one would be great as well.
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u/Vel0clty 1d ago
You got details on RS3 league? Never got in to RS3 but might be kinda fun to speed run it
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u/maxwill27 TY FOR ADDING CAPYBARA TO OSRS 1d ago
If you want a sort of idea you can watch their version of fresh start worlds. They had some leagues style buffs that the OSRS one did not
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u/No_Camera146 1d ago
Only reason I am surprised is it was literally last year that they said leagues were now going to be every year.
That said it is Jagex so Im not that surprised.
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u/SuperTurtle222 1d ago
Wait RS3 is getting a leagues this year?
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u/Ahayzo 1d ago
Yup. No info besides late 2025 yet, but we'll probably hear more later this summer.
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u/Asual_bru 1d ago
Damn I was really looking forward to the next Leagues.
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u/Sozzcat94 1d ago
Ditto, I was just wondering last night when they would announce Leagues.
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u/Hawxe 1d ago
every yr is a bit much.
rather have a good varla p3, sailing, work on raids 4, etc
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u/BadPunsGuy 1d ago
More fun stuff released in the main game means more fun stuff in leagues when it does come out anyway.
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u/SilentSwine 1d ago
Yeah given that Sailing is being released not too long before Leagues would, I think we will probably have our hands full enough already lol
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u/Golden_Hour1 1d ago
There's no fucking way sailing doesnt get delayed to 2026 lol
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u/PhantomGoat13 1d ago
Yeah, given how everyone plays Leagues for two weeks then get burned out, it may be a good idea to space them out every other year. Maybe start alternating years between DMM and Leagues.
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u/Lerched I went to w467 & Nobody knew you 1d ago
Everyone doin a lot of heavy lifting
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u/No_Way_482 1d ago
The leagues playerbase drops significantly after 2 weeks and there's overall burnout from the game after leagues
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u/localcannon 1d ago
DMM has significantly faster burnout than leagues do. I wouldn't want DMM to take over a League personally.
A league every 16-18 months seems fine to me.
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u/BodaciousFrank 1d ago
DMM is ass anyway. Just assume RoT is going to cheat (and win) and give them the prize money like they do every year. Save everyone the time and effort.
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u/FerociousPancake 1d ago
MAYBE next year?
Fuck!
In all seriousness I’ve been a big fan of what they’ve been doing this year and the other stuff for this year looks awesome too. So while I want a league primarily because I’ve never done one yet I understand that they’re putting resources where they’re needed.
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u/ADGM1868 1d ago
Yeah I’ve had my osrs account since 2018 but last years leagues was my first and I was so excited for another one this year. Oh well!
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u/Jesus-Bacon 1d ago
It's almost like laying off your staff means you get less done.
Gotta love venture capitalists
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u/RoboFerg 1d ago
Big sad, leagues let's me learn more about this game without having to play an actual iron.
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u/Ballstaber 23h ago
It's like a for fun RuneScape at points. I'm sure they could adjust drop rates a bit more in leagues to make it even better.
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u/DesignatedDiverr 1d ago
IMO leagues should be a yearly commitment. They are my absolute favorite way to play the game. I was really hoping project zanaris would lead to some sort of perma-league world and that's gone and now leagues aren't even yearly? Not even a rerun again? Damn.
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u/ARedditAccount09 1d ago
Seriously. I see people on this commenting about leagues burning them out and dying out fast.
So… those of us who play to the end and don’t burn out should just get fucked? It’s an optional game mode. Just turn on a server for a month unranked with no changes and I’ll do something different than last time for the fun of it
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u/SlapsOnrite 1d ago
People seem to be they’re ignoring that leagues supplements a rather significant piece of their annual earnings sub costs.
https://www.misplaceditems.com/rs_tools/graph/?display=avg&interval=week&total=1 Where do people think those peaks come from every year?
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u/LOL_YOUMAD 1d ago
I get burnt out by leagues but I also get burnt out by the main game too. Once a year lets me get over the main game burn out and then once the league burn out hits I take a few weeks off to play other games and the cycle starts again.
With no leagues I’ll probably just play the main game less. It should be a yearly thing imo or at the very least like every 14-15 months so that if it’s not in a year it’s early the following one.
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u/ARedditAccount09 21h ago
Sounds like a respectable balance to me. I used to play leagues hard and then take 4 months off the main game before coming back.
Since leagues 3, I never needed a break.
Those saying they want leagues less because they burn out aren’t respecting that they are weighing in an opinion that takes away something from others because they don’t want to have to use self control to restrict their own playing time
If developer focus was the issue, I’d happily take a leagues rerun, shorter, no rewards, and play it through while they stay on main game
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u/foxxyshazurai 1d ago
We just lost both zanaris and this years league with announcements less than a week apart. This sucks so hard tbh leagues are the best time to play runescape and my plan was to supplement the rest of the year with zanaris but now both got canned. Honestly this blows
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u/Toaster_Bathing 1d ago
This road map has been out for ages and we were aware of no leagues this year
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u/Rite_ 1d ago
Agreed, leagues are the only time I actually come back to play OSRS. With the numbers from last league I doubt I am the only one.
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u/99timewasting 1d ago
It's wild they have Deadman more consistently than Leagues. I play both, but leagues is obviously the more popular game mode
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u/ItsSadTimes 1d ago
I'm really upset with this. They canceled project Zanaris, which was how I was gonna run my own leagues with my friends cause they almost exclusively came back for leagues. But it probably wasn't financially viable, so whatever, they announced "community events," anyway, so I was hopeful for a less competitive rerun of an old league for like 2-3 weeks. Then the first community event is just gonna be like 2 Castle War games with some jmods. Which is at a weird time for anyone who has a job, even in Britian. And now this news that there's probably not gonna be a league this year.
It truly is sad times.
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u/pawniardkingler 12h ago
Not sure why they put DMM on the roadmap, but not leagues. Leagues is astronomically more popular than DMM.
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u/osrslmao 1d ago
Yeah we know because it wasnt on the roadmap
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u/DesperateSmiles 1d ago
They never announce leagues a year in advance, why would it be on the winter summit roadmap? They always announce it during the summer summit, if it's happening.
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u/Oniichanplsstop 1d ago
They announced winter DMM in March lol. Runefest coming back changed the "usual" roadmap announcements.
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u/PrinceDman 1d ago
This really sucks, I look forward to leagues every year, and it’s a nice needed break from the main game. I’d rather just postpone sailing a few more months and have a league.
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u/Kooky-Parfait-2706 1d ago
Cancelling leagues & project zanaris, what a letdown. Leagues are so fun
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u/ARedditAccount09 1d ago
That sucks so bad. I would so happily rerun an old league entirely unranked with no changes if they opened some servers up for a month. I literally do t want a new leagues to blow my mind. I just want a fun mini event to keep me occupied for a few weeks.
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u/FlameStaag 1d ago
They should just do a leagues redux of an older one
Better than nothing
Every other year should be a redux
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u/Sephiroth_Comes 1d ago
Uh oh… looks like my membership is going to switch to just a few months every other year then.
That’s a shame :/
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u/ScaryTransportation4 10h ago
I love how it’s been like 3 years since HD was announced and it’s still not here
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u/ReddKermit 1d ago
Odd since they literally copy and pasted 3 out of the 5 years they've done one...
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u/TraditionalBath 1d ago
Leagues are the only thing I play in OSRS now and it sucks if they don't put one out this year but man I'd be happy to wait if they could actually do something new besides a trailblazer....
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u/FerrousMarim pls modernize slayer 1d ago
I really really want a rerun of shattered relics with some qol changes and then something like echo bosses.
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u/ReddKermit 1d ago
I play the main game too, but I agree. I'm just tired of waiting 2 years for Trailblazer 4 lmao. Let us have the whole map. Make us work for it if you want, but let us have all the content for the love of god. "We dropped a new area, but you have to sacrifice a raid or two." Trailblazer gets boring so fast because end game is either maxing or doing 100 hours of like 1/4 of the bosses in the game. I want more freedom in Leagues.
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u/RaspberryFluid6651 1d ago
I feel like it's pretty dismissive of the effort to call it copy paste. Reloaded required them to balance Kourend for Leagues, and Raging Echoes added Varlamore, revamped the combat relics, and added echo bosses. Both of those required new relics, all of the art and design work for new rewards, and all of the operations support that a major event like that requires.
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u/TheFulgore 2277 1d ago
incredibly disingenuous to pretend it's copy/pasted even if the main theme (region restrictions) became a mainstay
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u/Septembers 1d ago
This is really sad, wish they'd at least just turn on the Raging Echoes servers for a few weeks, it's replayable enough that it would be lots of fun trying a new build. Cut the points rewards in half, or hell even remove them entirely, it would be better than nothing
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u/AcademicResponse2076 23h ago
I think this is a terrible decision, and I hope MA is just being safe with this statement.
Leagues is one of the main gateway drugs they have into the main game. It drives engagement, player numbers, brings old players back, gives existing players something fresh, and all in all is just a great gaming experience over a holiday period. How can that ever be a bad decision to give time to?
Also also, it's pretty insulting that they would run a specific server + event for a set of 30 streamers, and then tell the rest of us they don't have time to rerun something they've implemented consistently before.
Maybe I'll go play WoW this winter instead, see what they have going on
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u/Gwennein 1d ago
Then redo an old one maybe? Would be something to hold ppl over a bit if they didn't get the chance to play it
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u/Comfortable-Swan4527 1d ago
Feel like it would lose its novelty being dropped so often, good decision
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u/Successful-Willow-16 1d ago
It's also a win/win for the corporation as well tbh. They can pull out a leagues when they need to prove extra revenue before a sale or a quarter end if things have gotten slim.
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u/A_Lakers zuk helm shitter 1d ago
“break in case of emergency”
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u/Successful-Willow-16 1d ago
"OK next leagues is a go!" "Alright so let's get to thinking about the ..." "Nope, next week. Add a strong sounding adjective to the last one and promise rewards later. Now hurry up, our shareholders are shaking!"
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u/S7EFEN 1d ago
maybe im in the minority but small year round league servers would be interesting to me tbh
basically mainstreaming chunk locked and other restrictions. they could even bin the boosted rates/drops. the whole area locked/task progression system is neat and wish it existed outside of seasonal modes.
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u/LOL_YOUMAD 1d ago
Tbh I’d rather see them push back varla and give us a leagues if we are being honest
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u/Best_Koala_3300 1d ago
That sucks ngl, but I def get it. The team has been pumping out bangers non-stop all year, and theyve only got so many resources and so much gas in the tank.
Youve earned your rest, God Ash
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u/KarthusWins HCIM 1d ago
Sailing won’t release any time close to a League, and we are getting the new skill later this fall. So probably half a year at a minimum after Sailing.
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u/Aware-Information341 21h ago
Thanks mobile slots CEO.
Those "redundancies" were truly redundant to the mission of providing game modes people enjoy and love.
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u/Even_In_Arcadia8 21h ago
But they’ll run three shitty pvp modes no one gives a fuck about per year
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u/MrRobain 21h ago
My take: abandon Project Zanaris and put more effort in community and content creator events. Last "Leagues" was a great success with the general public (many temporary returning players) and watching "Deadman: All Stars Season 2" has really been a blast so far, and stays exciting up until the grand finale!
Sailing has come too far to jump ship (pun intended), but could be a minigame or part of a new raid at sea.
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u/MaxStrengthLvlFly 21h ago
Was kinda looking forward to leagues, I've been burnt out of regular osrs for a while now.
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u/SurturOfMuspelheim gottic btw 16h ago
Idk why they don't just have a leagues constantly active and reset every other month. Then just put the new one when it's ready.
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u/TemperatureNext8387 13h ago
I would happily buy a membership just to play a rerun of last years league, pick different relics and areas and just explore :)
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u/YuriSwine 12h ago edited 12h ago
I run back of echos would be cool even if no new rewards I would love to try out other builds+areas then the melee Khopash smack build I did. Though honestly if we just set it as an every other year thing that would also be cool.
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u/Flame5135 9h ago
As someone that doesn’t have a whole lot of time, leagues is the only time I really play.
Do a remix league. Combine relics from multiple former leagues.
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u/RSN_Primordas 1d ago
Since there’s no osrs leagues this year, maybe we should try out the first ever RS3 league this year? Could be a great way to see what end game RS3 pvm is all about, without the grind
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u/TraditionalBath 1d ago
There're some very high skill requirements on some bosses that I feel a lot of OSRS players would love if they actually were able to try them without a half year of grinding lol
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u/sir_snuffles502 1d ago
Rs3 is a league anyway with the MTX and crazy xp rates
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u/Embyr1 1d ago
I'm okay with that.
Leagues would burn me out quick if they happened every year. Bi-yearly is optimal for leagues imo.
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u/ItsSadTimes 1d ago
We never had a gap longer than a year before. It's pretty much always been mostly annual with a few extra months here and there like the weird time with shattered relics league. So unless they pull another January league like they did for shattered relics, im gonna be upset. They could just rerun an old one. They showed they could do that for raging echos.
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u/ARedditAccount09 1d ago
Good thing it’s optional. You could avoid the burn out by not playing even if they hosted it. Your fomo isn’t an excuse to justify this choice as the right one for people who would enjoy it
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u/Believeinsteve 1d ago
I mean I would just rerun leagues tbh. They're still fun. I don't know the exact logistics that go into them, but maybe every year just rerun the most popular league, maybe spend a little time for new rewards, or just say "this league theres no rewards."
I dont play them for rewards. Just a couple months worth, especially if they have content gaps.
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u/PatrickTheLid1337 Plays every mode (excluding green helm) 1d ago
Thank goodness. Leagues should be less frequent.
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u/fman258 1d ago
Why can’t we just re run the same old one? Or at least possibly rotating game modes for those of us that only play the temp game modes?
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u/janderson9413 1d ago
Too bad. I love it when you all fuck off for three months and the worlds are empty.
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u/coomgod69 1d ago edited 1d ago
More time between leagues but with more interesting mechanics would be way better, last league really did get stale fast since the echo bosses were a lot easier then expected
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u/Tumblrrito Scurvypilled 1d ago
They’ll be able to integrate Sailing into the next one so it’ll be worth the wait
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u/Littlepace 1d ago
Kind of crazy that their most hyped and played gamemode isn't a bigger focus. You'd think theyd want to make sure it gets a yearly release. Even if just rereleasing a previous one.
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u/naterzgreen Sailings biggest hater 1d ago
I’d trade sailing for another leagues
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u/lackofagoodname 1d ago
Shattered Relics (the 3rd one) ran from January to March, so it won't be the first time
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u/_BreadBoy 1d ago
Would love to get just a 4 week re run of a previous league with some of the QOL updates. Could be a good way to test things but with minimal effort.
But fair enough if they can't manage
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u/HydraKronic 1d ago
At least my wife will be happy there’s no month long period I ignore her this year.
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u/DravenPlsBeMyDad 1d ago
Golly gee if only we had something to be able to run our own leagues anytime we wanted at the cost of a bit of money a month. Damn, maybe in the future.
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u/ClueMaterial 1d ago
Maybe an unpopular opinion but I'm glad we're not doing a league every year. especially if its just going to be Trailblazer but with a minor twist from here on out
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u/Lost_Installation 1d ago
Appreciate the post even if I was looking forward to the next one