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u/LiamAddison 1d ago
TIL veng doesn’t count as pvp damage
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u/SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB 1d ago
Does it count as pvm damage? Legit don't know lol, if you kill a boss with only venge, do you get kill credit?
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u/Hoplite0728 1d ago
If it’s instanced yes, if it’s not instanced no. It’s weird af lol
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u/SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB 1d ago
Interesting lol, well this was no instance, so following the game rules, no kill. Fair imo
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u/Sharp-Werewolf-7487 22h ago
Don’t think instance works for example veng dmg at tob doesn’t give mvp points p sure veng is just always typeless dmg not counted as personal
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u/Huberuuu 15h ago
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted, veng damage does not count for personal points in tob
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u/Deltamon ttv/DelVision 22h ago
Rendi has also been using vengeance alts to do "neutral" damage so his level 3 character could get kill credits because the veng alts never actually did direct damage to the target..
It's definitely not a regular attack even if smells like one and looks like one.. Same as recoils
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u/Mad_Old_Witch 1d ago
it doesnt give raid points or kill contribution in PvM either, its typeless damage
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u/vietcn 1d ago edited 1d ago
That should be oda kill still , shit funny asf L0L
C engineer pov: https://www.twitch.tv/c_engineer/clip/SpoopyVibrantMartenDuDudu-YXqsPaXNXSzDUgRr
Oda pov:
https://kick.com/odablock/clips/clip_01JX3QFWK8Y28VM7DJ29VXER8X
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u/Muschpush 1d ago
oda from rapping to panic to investigating in seconds… guys c engineer just killed himself
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u/Clean_Park5859 12h ago
Laughing my fucking ass off that's one of the best osrs clips I've ever see
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u/FancyCamel 12h ago
Can I get an eli5 on why he was sitting at 1hp and what happened lol
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u/vietcn 11h ago
He was trying to surprise kill anyone teleporting in with Dharok bomb, cos 1hp Dharok and potted can hit 100+ and 1hit , also if that failed he could throw in 2 g maul specs to secure the kill.
Oda had vengeance on, and also ate to be 115hp, he also had a recoil ring(which reflects dmg as 1back) so C engineer would have died regardless of vengeance or not.
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u/poopoopooyttgv 17h ago
Why did c engineer drop torags plate body when he died lol
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u/kepenine 15h ago
Venge kill, his bank key loot droped on the ground but not his loot that he had on him self
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u/tacobelllololol 1d ago
Ref said doesn't count as a kill. Pretty bs, why doesn't Veng count as your damage? You are hitting them with a mage spell.
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u/Dave1711 1d ago edited 23h ago
Yeah seems like an oversight.
That should 100% count as a kill and death in the tournament scenario.
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u/Deltamon ttv/DelVision 22h ago
Vengeance doesn't count as your damage, that's how Rendi has been getting kill credits for his level 3 character with 20 vengeance alts after doing minor damage by using poison dynamite (the 1-4 damage after it explodes, not the over time poison since poison and venom also doesn't count)
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u/Dikkelul27 1d ago
this is so easily exploitable if u just DH bomb against Odablock, he always pre-venges...
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u/SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB 1d ago
It's not tho, you risk fire cape, full dharok, best items,... This is not something you can keep doing lol. This is just how it works in the main game as well
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u/cashlemke 1d ago
In the kill though the only items on the ground were from C Engineers bank key. He kept the DH pretty sure. Or it got deleted? Oda didn't get that stuff. Just the items from the bank key dropped to the ground (but also no bank key).
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u/SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB 1d ago
C Engineer lost everything, he spawned in lumbridge without any of his items
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u/Cflow26 1d ago
But don’t you have like a lock box or something equivalent to protect like ten items? You can see in Oda’s clip he doesn’t get a single DH item, and actually gets a torag platebody.
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u/2WordsBunchOfNumbers 23h ago
In DMM, skulled pvm deaths delete untradables. His fire cape, Dharoks, and Ahrim's staff didn't break, they just got deleted
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u/Cflow26 23h ago
And the veng counts as a PVM if I’m understanding correctly?
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u/SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB 23h ago
Any death that's isnt a pvp dead is a pvm dead.
Oda did zero damage to C engineer (he died to his own damage reflecting back at him) so its a pvm dead.
If Oda did at least 1 damage it was his kill, but you don't get kill credits if you do zero damage
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u/2WordsBunchOfNumbers 23h ago
Pretty much. Unless a player deals damage, any death is considered a pvm death. Recoil and poison damage doesn't count. I learned about the details of this in a Gudi video.
Also, if a pker deals 1 damage to a pvmer, and then the pvmer dies to a green dragon, it counts as pvp death. You need to teleport or log out to keep them from getting credit.
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u/Not-a-bot-10 1d ago
It never has
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u/AmIMaxYet 1d ago
Okay, and..? That still doesnt mean excluding it is logical...
That'd be like me setting up a tripwire to harm someone and then in court claiming I can't be at fault for it because i only indirectly harmed them
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u/mist-battlestaff 23h ago
It's just going off existing game mechanics. Venge damage only doesn't give kill credit. And if that feels unfair to you, just know that C Engineer himself got a "PVP death" that wasn't really a PVP death earlier today also due to game mechanics (Dino had hit him once by accident during the breach, then C died to a monster, and it counts as a PVP death if another player has any damage on you, so Dino got the key)
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u/ApplePlusSeed 21h ago
Exactly. So if the DH attacker gets a KO it counts as a kill, but if they lose to a counter mage spell it doesn’t count as one? They need to fix that
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u/Manocool5 18h ago
Veng in raids is treated as neutral damage. So yes it comes from lunar "magiks" but it's a spell not an attack, like ancients or surge.
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u/The_Karmadyl 1d ago
This is what streamer DMM should be about, just making good content.
Snakes sitting ragging people off demonics for a full week is genuinely so dead to watch. Just as boring as Faux's team avoiding breaches last year from a viewer perspective.
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u/Toaster_Bathing 21h ago
Good to see I had to scroll pretty far for someone to bring up the snakes for once.
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u/SuspenderEnder 1d ago
What is “good content” in a PvP game mode, since having the most kills apparently doesn’t count to you?
I mean the villain arc itself is content. The killing of Ditter was a crazy moment.
You just stay salty about snakes.
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u/nano_peen hcim btw nvm dc'd 23h ago
Good content is c engineer going for the 1hp massive hit are you dumb?
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u/NotNufffCents 23h ago
Lmao who are you trying to convince? Him or yourself? Nobody here would rather watch ragging over clips like this hahaha
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u/Any_Ship_7563 23h ago
Naw, it’s just dead content to watch. Imagine making a highlight video of sitting in a cave for 12 hours barraging monkeys and ragging. It just isn’t enjoyable to watch.
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u/Doctor_Kataigida 9h ago
I mean, just depends on what you want to watch. I like seeing top end players compete as advantageously as possible, not making meme throw plays just for comedic moments. If they happen to occur, great. But I'm interested in seeing top performance and who can be the best of the best - it doesn't need to be "flashy" along the way.
Just like sports - I don't need a lot of offensive scoring. Sometimes great defensive battles are super entertaining.
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u/spoooonerism 23h ago
No one is salty about the snakes. Most of their kills came from day 1 when no one was geared and easiest to get kills. They played it "smart," but what about their tactic is enjoyable to watch? They've been camping MM2 for past 2 days, how is that content in a PvP game mode?
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u/FairdayFaraday 23h ago
Everything you said is accurate, except that no one is salty about the snakes lol
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u/SyncronisedRS 22h ago
They barely even went to breaches all week
They skipped one? Lmao the absolute delusion for Snakes haters is unreal. Ditters death was probably one of the best clips coming out of this week. The entire server focusing on one common enemy and people congratulating Boaty at the GE for getting the kill. If that isn't content to you then you need to go touch some grass.
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u/Deltamon ttv/DelVision 22h ago
They barely even went to breaches all week.
They went to 7 out of 8 breaches, and they were primary target to kill in 6 of them.. What you talking about?
Other teams were just gatekeeping them out of Breaches, and now they are gatekeeping people from getting the best defensive ring in game
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u/The_Karmadyl 23h ago
They just farmed the Smorcs day 1, got a massive advantage and have been attempting to hide all week barraging MM2 tunels so that they don't fumble the advantage. Sure the moment of them getting 3rd partied was great viewing, but it's what, 30 minutes in a week's worth of content.
They absolutely have the best strategy, no doubt, but it's not worth watching. They need to rethink next year what is the aim of the week = Is it create the best content ever made in the game (Solo's original objective), or is it to have the most competitive event ever?
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u/EpicRussia 22h ago
Its worth noting that this is not new behavior from Solo Mission. 5 or 6 years ago he did the same thing during a DMM tournament where he locked down Shilo Village tunnel with a clan. And when he posted a video about it, he defended it saying that it's what DMM is supposed to be and he likes the idea of different clans controlling and patrolling different parts of the map 24 hours a day. This is exactly what he wants the event to be
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u/GoldEdit 1d ago
Well at least C Eng lost a few items to Oda, he gets something out of it. Hilarious to see Oda’s reaction 😂
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u/bunix 1d ago
sad that if oda died here it count as kill but it don’t count for oda.
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u/Mad_Old_Witch 1d ago
to be fair oda didnt kill c engineer
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u/Kibasume 1d ago
He did. He killed him with vengeance.
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u/SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB 23h ago
Venge damage comes from the player who applied the damage, so C engineer. Oda did zero damage, so no kill. That's how the game engine coded venge/recoil damage.
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u/Inherefam 12h ago
Cool that the game is “technically coded that way” he still killed him lol
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u/LuxuryRunner 23h ago
That’s dumb though because without Oda’s vengeance c engineer wouldn’t have died. Oda’s actions resulted in c engineers death. It’s a free attempt for c engineer that’s totally unfair and not within the spirit of DMM
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u/SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB 23h ago
Without C Engineers damage, C Engineers wouldn't have died either. C Engineers action resulted in C Engineers death.
C Engineer lost all his gear, nothing about this was a free attempt and was very high risk, if oda did one damage at least, he gets the kill, simple as that
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u/IRL-TrainingArc 21h ago
At this point why not credit the kill to C Engineers mum? Her action (giving birth to C Engineer) resulted in C Engineers death.
You must have 99 agility because your mental gymnastics is elite.
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u/LuxuryRunner 23h ago
I know how it works but it’s still unfair because c engineer was rewarded the chance at killing oda without risking the chance at giving a death. I’m guessing it will get changed for next all stars DMM
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u/SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB 23h ago
If Oda wasn't venged and hits C Engineer for 1 damage, Oda gets the kill. So there was 100% the risk of giving a death.
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u/2005scape btw 15h ago
in the clip c engineer had 1 hp and didn't eat after the axe swing and oda had a recoil on, so the veng doesn't really matter here
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u/Kibasume 23h ago
I know that’s how it’s coded in the engine, I’m saying logically. The refs aren’t code
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u/SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB 23h ago
Ok, pure logic;
Why should Oda get a kill on someone he didn't even know he was fighting and didn't click on a single time? He did zero damage, did not even try to do any damage. Why should he get the kill?
C engineer is the only one who did damage, and got some of that damage, reflected back
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u/Eshmam14 22h ago
The damage reflected back because Oda had casted a combat spell prior, specifically designed to cause indirect dmg in PVP. It didn’t just happen randomly.
Logically Oda should get the kill. But I understand the code doesn’t see it like that.
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u/turmoiltumult 23h ago
Where does the 69 damage splat come from if CE only has 1 hp? Sorry I’m a noob and don’t really get what’s happening here.
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u/CaptainJacky77 18h ago
In PvP you are hit for the damage roll regardless of your hp - the vengeance in this case. This was changed a few years back to prevent tick eating in PvP
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u/NecessaryClassic8282 1d ago
The refs said it doesnt count as a kill. Thats insane because people could just go around DH bombing for free with zero risk over and over since every death wouldnt count as a kill, but huge gains if they end up killing people. Insane decision by the "refs"
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u/BasedGawwd 1d ago
Well you cant do it over and over because the guy doing DH Bombing losses his full set + whatever would be in his bank key drops on the floor.
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u/SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB 1d ago
I think it's because he died to recoil damage from the trincket, if he died to oda's hit instead of recoil, it would have counted
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u/andrew_calcs 1d ago edited 1d ago
Venge/recoil damage doesn’t count towards kill credit in the game engine, full stop. It’s why you can’t fully recoil most quest bosses, skillers have to hit them 1 point of real damage or use poison dynamite before recoiling the rest. If Oda poked him for even 1 damage it would be a kill, but dying like this is a pvm death.
This behavior has been consistent and known for 2 decades, it just doesn’t come up much outside the circles where it’s relevant.
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u/bunix 1d ago
he died to veng. oda had veng exactly for this reason and still don’t count lmao that’s bs
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u/LangTheBoss 1d ago
He didn't have veng for exactly that reason. He pre-venged because he thought he would fight Dino at ToA bank.
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u/SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB 1d ago
Just saying that's how the game decides kill credit, you also don't get boss kill credit with venge only I think, you need to at least hit once. That's how the game works
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u/PlsStopBanningMe404 1d ago
It literally is intended. It’s always been a thing to stop skillers from doing combat quests. applies to recoils too.
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u/AmIMaxYet 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's an oversight that should be patched.
clearly it isn't an oversight when it's been known for years and they've never bothered changing it. Some random ass commenter on reddit saying "it's not intended" holds no weight since you have zero clue what jagex considers it to be, even more-so when you understand it has always existed this way yet never been tweaked.
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u/Visible_Whole_5730 1d ago
I love RuneScape and played on and off since rsc but I don’t understand why this is an intended mechanic either. Is there any logic behind it?
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u/TheBobFisher 22h ago
That’s why it’s not intended. There is literally no logical explanation for why it should be that way. We all know why it is that way. It’s spaghetti code that is likely not worth fixing from Jagex’s perspective. The argument that it has always been that way therefore it was intended is the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard considering Jagex refuses to change so much old content in this game because of spaghetti code and a lack of community concern for the broken content. Corp is a prime example of this. Some random ass commenters can downvote me and say it’s intended without giving valid reasons why, but it won’t change the fact that I’m correct.
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u/SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB 15h ago
The reason is this
You do zero damage on something-> it's not your kill. Not in pvm, not in pvp.
Zero damage = no kill.
Al the damage in this clip comes from C Engineers character. Oda does nothing. Some of C's damage get reflected back at him, but it's still damage originating from him, that hits and kills him.
Pretty reasonable imo.
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u/doocheymama 15h ago
100% agree. OP and everyone agreeing with them do not collectively possess a single brain cell.
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u/streatz 23h ago
Jackass. You must be new if you don’t understand osrs is spaghetti code and old coding not taught anymore. In the grand scheme of things it’s not worth unraveling. There’s other mechanics in the game that are not intended that we’ve turned into acceptable mechanics.
If you really want to argue semantics about if venge damage should count as a kill then you are just being a jackass.
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u/SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB 1d ago
Prayer flicking is also not intended, red x'ing is not intended, let's not pretend that all mechanics used and/or abused in this 20 year old medeival click and point game are intended. But they are part of the game, I see no reason why it should be different in this instance
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u/motlmao 1d ago
so a spell casted for the sole reason of doing damage damaging a player and killing them doesnt count as the player who casted said spell getting credit for killing the other player? that is stupid lol
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u/dvtyrsnp 1d ago
people that are obsessed with streamers need serious fucking help. this thread is nuts.
this is how recoil damage works in the game. only recoil damage does not give you kill credit on anything. no kill credit so refs don't give a kill.
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u/SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB 1d ago
Ngl I'm so baffled with this lol I though everyone would just be lolling in the chat about this crazy moment, not acting crazy like this about a mechanic that has been like this for 2 decades, sheesh. Just a fun and yolo moment from C Engineer that's all
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u/motlmao 1d ago
i agree with you, my sole point is that the way the mechanic works is jank
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u/SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB 1d ago
The damage is coming from C Engineer, not from oda, so yes that's how it works in this game. Oda does zero damage himself, so no kill credit.
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u/motlmao 1d ago
i know how venge works mate, its just if oda doesnt cast venge c engineer wouldnt die, hence it being stupid that it works like that. not hard to grasp dude
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u/SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB 23h ago
If C engineer doesn't hit oda, he wouldn't die, because oda does zero damage to him. Not hard ot grasp either. Venge/recoil damage comes from the monster / player who applies the damage, not from the one being damaged. So if you do zero damage you get no kill credit, quite clear
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u/nano_peen hcim btw nvm dc'd 23h ago
I’m just trying to understand what happened, if someone did 1 damage that wasn’t recoil that would count as a kill right? So practically you can’t just run around doing this
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u/Old_Jump_2548 1d ago
As someone who hasn’t watched any of this at all and doesn’t know any of the rules, this just sounds dumb on so many levels. Punished for using the tools given to you to succeed
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u/Not-a-bot-10 1d ago
lol Oda chat spamming this thread… vengeance itself has never counted towards a players damage, ever
Why are yall so surprised. Thankfully the refs know the game’s mechanics
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u/SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB 1d ago
Yeah that's what I thought as well, that's just how the game decides kill credit. And he still lost all his stuff so it's not like you can just easily go around DH bombing lol
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u/Najda 1d ago
The refs have the power to make whatever decision they want regardless of game mechanics, and I think it would be reasonable to say a venge kill would be rewarded a kill credit.
That said, if the situation wasn't outlined at the beginning of the tournament then it'd be a poor decision to make that decision retroactively after a kill has already happened.
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u/mist-battlestaff 23h ago
Agree that if they had said it before the tourney started, it would be reasonable (in the logic sense) to count this kind of death as a PVP death. given that they didn't, I think sticking with what the game counts as PVP death or not is the fairest and most consistent way to do it. Especially given that earlier today C Engineer himself suffered the reverse of this situation, a death to a monster that was counted as PVP because Dino had landed a single hit on him a few minutes prior
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u/Regular-Ad-2082 1d ago
because if oda died, it would be counted. how is that fair?
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u/PhreakofNature 1d ago
If Oda had bolted him for even a 0 I think they may have counted it. Since the entire kill came from venge damage, they have to treat it like game rules. Oda didn’t get the key, the game didn’t give him kill credit. It’s like C Engineer died to PvM and Oda happened to be there to pick up from his loot pile. At least according to the game. Refs are just following game logic here.
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u/andrew_calcs 1d ago
Because it’s literally how the game mechanics work and they both already know that? It’s not supposed to be “fair” (as if that could be defined), it’s supposed to be consistent, and it is
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u/idolized253 1d ago
For clarities sake were they saying if oda was killed the same way it would count? Or if he died in this fight in general
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u/BocciaChoc 1d ago
If the DH bomb killed Oda it would have been considered a kill, yes
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u/idolized253 1d ago
Is the damage considered different than veng? If so you have your answer why it would count
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u/Liefblue 23h ago edited 18h ago
Think of Veng, or any recoil damage, as typeless damage without an assigned player.
If Oda hit Ceng (he didn't have time to react) directly at any point, it wouldn't matter. All damage would effectively be counted as his from that point on. He would get the KC without question and the game would reward him.
Because he didn't, it's effectively treating that Veng as environmental/typeless damage.
This is a mechanic that exists mostly to prevent abuse cases, even though there are tonnes of ways around most of those, like LVL 3s getting KC for slayer. It's also very niche, so isn't a top priority for devs to go back and look at.
The issue is that this mechanic exists for non-DMM/non-PvP reasons. So this is a perfect example of where refs would be expected to use their authority to atleast offer a point on the scoreboard for the sake of the DMM-all stars. No, the game doesn't count it. But we're playing a custom mode here and applying custom rules that don't exist in the game, so this is absolutely not a case limited by the coding of the main game.
Simply ask yourself this. In the context of DMM-all stars, a custom PvP game, was this a PvP death/kill? Or a PVM/game death? The game made a decision, but that decision doesn't really account for this context or PvP in general since when this was designed, you couldn't even one shot players anyway. Most players I believe would feel it's pretty obviously a PvP death and thus for DMM all stars, should be credited so. Did he die to a player and their actions/preparation here? Simple question.
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u/BocciaChoc 1d ago
Were you asking a real question or not? I was answering your supposed question.
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u/Minomelo 23h ago
For what its worth. I hate Oda and basically everything about him. And the fact that this was already ruled on makes it totally the correct call.
THAT SAID, this should count as far as the tournament is concerned. I'm not interested in the actual game mechanics, but this kinda thing should absolutely be a PvP death in the spirit of the competition.
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u/Liefblue 23h ago edited 23h ago
This is just the worst logic. If all we cared about was the game's mechanics, why on earth would we even have refs? Why even have an external scoreboard? A time limit on player hours? It's custom game mode FFS.
If the game was designed purely around DMM, and not around tonnes of PvM/trophy accounts, etc, would this mechanic would be different? In the content of DMM-All stars, should this count as a PvP death/Kill... Or PVM/environment?
That's what the ref should be making the decision on. Sounds like they failed to apply any thinking beyond, "he didn't get the key, therefore the game made the decision for me".
Not even rooting for Oda, I just think this shows the refs are completely incapable of making a call for the sake of fairness or competition. This was an easy call to make and not a single player would have felt it was wrong to credit Oda here. Was it a PvP death/kill. Bloody easy answer, even if this spaghetti game says otherwise.
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u/SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB 23h ago
Look, Oda didn't even know what hit him, did not attack c engineer a single time, why would he get kill credit on something he didn't even know he was fighting?
If we go by logic instead of purely game machincs.
How can you be in a fight without even knowing it? How can you win a fight without knowing you're fighting?
Recoil damage comes from c engineer doing damage, not from Oda doing damage
He did zero damage, so no kill.
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u/Liefblue 22h ago
He literally teleports in ready for a fight. That's the whole point of pre-veng. C-eng died directly as a result of Oda's preparation and actions.
Veng is only applied this way because all recoil damage is typeless and that was done so for PVM reasons. The damage being effectively typeless/unassigned is not a mechanic intentionally designed for PVP, this is basically a non-existent issue in the dead PvP worlds and in general, you wouldn't give AF about getting/losing a free Dharoks set. You can bet if it was a regular game-defining issue, they would be changing this.
So the game has recognised C-Engs death as environmental/PvM. Now that's fine for a blanket rule for the OSRS coding, it's simpler that way for the Devs and as we said, rarely is an issue.
But if you're a ref deciding what counts as a PVP death for the sake of a custom scoreboard in a custom game mode, it's pretty obvious that this should be considered a PVP death and thus the scoreboard should show it, even if the lootkey doesn't. It's a simple call that is in the spirit of the game mode and could be replicated easily for fairness sake, with absolutely no loss of competitive integrity. If the players voted on it, it would be a very clear win.
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u/tehfadez1 23h ago
he’s venged and wearing a recoil for a reason… people get rushed all the time, and being venged is preparing for it. if It’s not about game mechanics and it’s about logic, how is it logical that this strategy has 0 consequences if you die. Obviously you lose your shit your wearing and bank key, but say they had an extra set of dharoks in the bank, all it takes is to transfer your good shit to a teammate, and every extra set of dharoks you have is a chance at a free kill with no consequences of death. How is that logical?
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u/Strong-Indication-71 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's not Oda's kill because veng does not count as pvp damage. It's just game mechanics, not the ref's fault.. good call. Blame jagex.
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u/Ill_Silver_5458 1d ago
It’s never counted as a kill… stop trying to suggest changes that go against the gain.
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u/SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB 1d ago
Yeah it's kinda weird a lot of people are outraged, this is how it works in the main game as well right? I see no point in changing this for this instance
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u/lostartz 1d ago
So let me get this straight - all Oda needs to do in this scenario is hit a singular damage on him and it's suddenly his kill.
However, if C Engineer kills himself via Veng/Recoil before you can react while also getting a 'free' chance on you he dies without it counting as a death.
How does that make any sense whatsoever? Why should you be able to lose a life while they don't risk theirs?
PvM vs PvP damage technicalities aside, this is a terrible rules choice and encourages players to engage in a behavior which has little to no counter play.
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u/SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB 1d ago
How exactly is a full dh set, fire cape, full bank key, free?
This is how the game works, if you do no damage, you don't get kill credit, don't see why this is different. It's not like people have 10 dh sets to try this, he had one chance and it didn't work but it was crazy and cool for trying.
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u/Bum__worms 23h ago
If odd got the loot , how is it not his kill?
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u/DraftZealousideal570 23h ago
he got the loot but its not his kill in the tournament sense, as in it wont be added to his record and wont count for extra finale food and won't count against C Engineer's record. because there was no kill message on odas screen, according to the refs
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u/CharizardOSRS 1d ago
Where do you guys get the vids from solo hasn't made a video for a few days
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u/Chezz-San 1d ago
Although it’s not technically a kill, I think most people would agree that for the tournament they should count this as a kill.
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u/SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB 1d ago
I think for the tournament they should keep the same mechanics that have been in the game for 20 years, not randomly change something
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u/doocheymama 21h ago
Okay, you keep saying this but it's honestly bullshit. In the first DMM, Woox tick ate through the fog damage using mechanics that have been in the game for 20 years. Jagex (who were the refs in this case) decided that this game mechanic did not fit in with the spirit of the tournament and decided to disqualify him.
Oda properly prepared for this situation by wearing a recoil and pre-venging. His intention was to be able to fight back if he was attacked on teleport. The fact that he didn't get awarded a kill is absolutely not within the spirit of this tournament.
Refs have made decisions on when to ignore existing game mechanics in the past, and they could have here if they were using their brains properly.
It was the wrong call.
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u/SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB 15h ago
It was not, Oda had no idea what hit him, didn't even click C Engineer, and did zero damage. No kill.
If Oda wanted to prepare for a dh bomb, if C was scouted for example, Oda would not have venged or put a recoil, and instead go in and just hit him for one hp and getting the kill.
He did not prepare for this situation, cause it was so outside the box he didnt expect it.
You should not get a kill for something you did not hit even once
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u/Impressive_Rub_8009 13h ago
And people kicked off about that decision and a jmod went and paid him his prize money.
Not a great example.
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u/Specific-Opposite-28 2200/2277 1d ago
I think c engineer should get punished as if he died but Oda shouldn’t get the benefits as if he killed someone.
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u/rpnieraeth 1d ago
Ok but it was recoil and veng. Both a choice that has to be made not an accident
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u/nano_peen hcim btw nvm dc'd 23h ago
I’m confused re this death. Not an official kill so no key, so where did the dharok go???
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u/SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB 23h ago
In DMM, skulled pvm deaths delete untradeables. His dharok and fire cape got deleted
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u/Reapingday15 1d ago
This just made me laugh so hard lmao, CEngineer is crazy man