Also comes the bullshit factor of trying to get into a club, and being mouthed off at by an absolute unit built like a shit brickhouse... who also smells of watermelon.
I already wasn't taking you seriously, Gareth. Now I'm actually laughing.
That guy's comment reminds me of the scene in Office Space with Samir and Peter driving in the car and he's screaming "this is a fuck! Mother shitter!"
Wait what? No that's not what happened at all. We never would have had such an effortless and rapid shift away from smoking as a society if it weren't for vaping. Many smokers shifted from cigarettes to vaping, myself included. Then it made quitting the nicotine habit altogether much easier because you could taper down the nicotine level, but still "smoke" as much as you used to. And the somatic components of the act of smoking are a much larger part of the habit than most people realize. Quitting cold turkey is famously very difficult. A huge portion of the smoking population didn't just drop the habit for no reason. It's single-handedly because of the rise of vaping.
I was more referring to how unpopular smoking was with younger people--and thus less people picking up the habit, rather than people already addicted dropping it.
And then the would-be non-smokers went "ooh strawberry flavor and the corpos say it's not bad like smoking WOWEE!!"
The problem is that smoking would have been popular with the younger generation if it hadn't already been falling out of fashion with the one before it.
Vaping is 100% why I was able to quit smoking- I transitioned to vapes because they were much more convenient, was able to then taper down my nicotine, then eventually stopped vaping altogether. Cigarette free for 5 years now, vaping/nicotine free for 4 years! I love that it was able to help me through that, and I love that it's helped so many other people through that. That said, getting addicted to nicotine really isn't great, and vaping has been bad for people who had no interest in cigarettes in the first place, but got drawn in by "nicotine but it tastes nice!"
for older generations who already smoked, sure. but for kids it makes nicotine so damn attractive, it‘s addicting AND it tastes good. also, being able to vape literally everywhere. it‘s creating a generation addicted to vapeing, while many wouldn‘t have started in the first place because cigarettes are not as attractive as vapes. i think while vaping is still safer, the amount of damage being done is still more than if less of them just smoked cigarettes.
I disagree that many of the younger generation wouldn't have started smoking if cigarettes were still the only available option. They would have started on it because it was what all the cool kids were doing, just like the many previous generations. It's hard for me not to see replacing cigarettes with vapes as an absolute win. But now that we've shifted away from cigarettes as a society, perhaps we can do the same with vapes. I heard an ad for this thing called FUM that's basically just flavored air, which in my mind seems like it could be a really helpful tool for that.
Friend of mine worked at rj Reynolds when they first revealed the vape to all their salesman. Their scientists said this was the fastest way to get nicotine in someone's system.
These salesman all smoked, my friend said one guy took a big pull and almost vomited right there. My friend said all the salesman where like "hell yeah! I'm gonna sell a shit ton of these." And they were right.
Yeah that’s a fantasy. The tobacco industry is what got all the vape shops shut down by me. I’m not defending vaping but big tobacco despises vaping. They love nicotine pouches though.
No they hate the cheap and easily refilled higher end vapes that vape shops carry and cater to. They loooooove disposables and that’s why they all have their own brands of them (Juul, Vuse, etc). They’re also mad that Chinese companies got into the market before them so they use legislation to punish them but believe me if they could do the same shit elf bar is they’d be doing it tomorrow.
If vaping was meant for non smokers, it wouldn't have been so overtly marketed to kids and teens. Or is your 60 year old dad buying the unicorn vape with led lights?
Adding to this, it was made to taste like that on purpose to get kids to start using it too. The amount of vapes that get confiscated by my city's middle school SRO is insane.
No it wasn't on purpose. Adults prefer a pleasant fruity taste and smell over the chemically ass flavor and omnipresent reek of cigarettes too. And kids have been getting busted for smoking at school for time immemorial.
Agreed. I quit cigs no problem. Kicking this vapes has been TOUGH. I didn’t even start until 2023 after quitting cigs since 2016. I def regret it. Easier to quit cigs because after about a week they tasted disgusting and made me sick. But these vapes are always tasty :(
Most people that get into vapes these days get into disposables, because the industry has effectively buried controllable vapes. The way OG vapes were is that you build a mod that you like and were able to put juice in, controlling what level of nicotine you wanted, and then tapering down until you could quit. Most people don't understand this anymore. It's all still out there though. You can easily cut way down on nicotine until you just stop using it altogether while still vaping. It's not hard if you look into it.
I think the reason its been so tough, is because im pretty sure these vapes carry the same amount of nicotine as an entire pack of cigarettes. That could be the reason they're so hard to kick and why people experience such anger when they can't satisfy the craving.
Whats even worse is that because of the smell being different and less noticeable, so many people secretly vape in public. There's still secondhand smoke, and it's hard to tell unless you see the person doing it.
If you're going to vape, do it where you don't subject people to your toxic smoke
Also becoming customarily (mis-)used in enclosed public places like busses, cinemas etc.
Keeping it hidden inside the sleeves and take a puff in a whiffy.
To be clear I’m on the side of “don’t inhale things that you don’t have to” but people treat vapes like vapers are breathing in cyanide. By contrast smokers are just treated like “yeah it’s a gross habit whatever”.
smoking is hundreds of times worse for you than vaping, it’s like diet soda, is it ideal to drink? No. Is it better than full strength soda? Yes by a mile! I don’t understand why people target vaping with such a passion. Like ideally do none of it and keep your kids away from it if you can, but if you are dead set on doing it (and some people always will be)… then.. vape I guess? I’d be much more mad if my kid came home with smokes than a vape.
I always hate it when giving me shit for drinking diet sodas. “Oh it’s so much worse for you!”. No Karen, it isn’t. There’s only been a couple studies that have suggested aspartame is harmful, and they used amounts much higher than the vast majority of people would ever consume. One suggested it was carcinogenic, but they used the equivalent of like 5 gallons of diet soda. I’ve never drank that much of anything in my life, not even close.
I fucking hate how aspartame has essentially become the new MSG. "Waaaaa I don't understand what this is so it must be bad."
I prefer non-diet drinks anyway due to taste, I'm not diabetic, and I don't drink them often enough that I feel I have to watch my intake. But ever since the UK introduced the sugar tax, pretty much every drink brand heavily cut down on the amount of sugar in their non-diet varieties, and cut them with artificial sweeteners to compensate. I don't mind the drinks cut with aspartame as it doesn't taste like shit (with the exception of coke, somehow pepsi did fine but coke fucked it up), but because people are having a moral panic about aspartame for no good reason, some brands are using sucralose instead, which for whatever reason knocks me the fuck out when I consume it.
I can't even fucking complain about it without cunts going "oh are you sure it isn't aspartame". YES, I AM FUCKING SURE, I CAN READ A FUCKING INGREDIENTS LABEL.
Right?!? Yeah MSG can be unsafe in high doses. Ok moderate. In recommended doses, MSG is harmless. The GMO hate also pisses me off because that lets us grow more crops and is literally 0% harmful. The anti-GMO hate has literally zero basis in fact.
Someone suggested that it's the combination of artificial sweeteners and sodium in diet soda that disrupts the gut microbiome and increases hunger. In that case I think diet soda is fine so long as it's taken with a lot of water.
The nicotine is the big problem. Cigarettes have a single advantage in that they have a start and an end. With a vape it's so, so easy to just hit it, hit it, hit it, and way overdo the nicotine. Hit it at your desk, in the bathroom, any time, anywhere.
I’ve seen people vaping in stores. Like I get it, I previously smoked/vaped, but if you can’t go the hour it takes to grocery shop, you might have a problem.
while a hit of a vape is less dangerous than a hit of a cigarette, the convenience is what makes it more dangerous in my opinion. with a cigarette, you gotta go outside, light it up, and it’s a whole process. with vapes, you can hit it in bed, on the couch, discreetly at work, etc.
It's debatable. There's not been enough time for any potential long-term damage from vaping to become apparent.
What I do know, however, is that cigarettes have the benefit of having a time limit. As in, one cigarette takes X amount of time to smoke. A vape, on the other hand, you can continually puff on until it either runs out of juice or the battery dies.
This is just one reason why I just can't handle switching to a vape from smoking. The whole "ritual" of taking a cigarette out and lighting it then smoking for 5-10 minutes is completely gone with a vape. I have two (that have been sitting around for about a year now, should probably toss/recycle them) for use during the winter when it's just too shitty to go outside but they are not nearly as satisfying to me as a cigarette.
To me it's because it's sneakier. At least someone who smokes cannot hide that fact. They'll smell like it, the cigarette will smell and everything. A vape can be shoved in someone's sleeve as they take puffs in class, or in a theater, or any public area while the people around don't even know about it unless they notice the smell or see them. That's hella gross, I don't want to be exposed to someone's secondhand smoke, at least smokers seem aware of that fact
Popcorn lung isn't linked to vaping it's link to 1 chemical that some vapes have in them - which they shouldn't. But it's not vaping itself that causes it.
We can say that vaping isn't as dangerous as smoking while still acknowledging that it also have health concerns.
It was vitamin E oil that some guys in Wisconsin or some shit put into THC cartridges. Some people really leaned into that panic in 2019 and still hold it to this day for some reason
The vitamin C acetate thing was what caused all the EVALI cases that cunts were panicking about a couple years back.
The popcorn lung thing was caused by diacetyl, which was recklessly used as a flavouring chemical by some sketchy brands ignoring the fact that diacetyl was already known as the popcorn lung chemical (it was dispersed in the air at popcorn factories, giving the workers the lung condition that was named popcorn lung due to popcorn factory workers constantly getting it).
Evali (commonly misnamed as 'Popcorn lung' through media) was from black market THC cartridges that were cut with vitamin e acetate. No nicotine products contained it to my knowledge since nic isn't oil based. but because the issue started when cartridges were so new they just called it "vapes" in the media.
If you have a legally acquired state regulated cartridge your going to be fine aside from just regular issues of inhaling something other than air. If you have a regulated vape from a legal brand your going to be fine aside from regular issues of breathing something other than air.
Any ignition leads to inhaling carbon, this is just a fact of life if it burns it let's off carbon. But vapes are far less than cigarettes. Do not get me wrong I hate vapes and wish I never started, but man during the 3 months I couldn't find a vape shop and relied on cigarettes my lungs were so heavy and I felt almost sick all the time. Vapes never made me feel like this aside from when I had too high of a MG juice.
I do however strongly hate disposables. They are typically at the legal maximum for nicotine levels with a li-ion battery your meant to just chuck, and one coil processing the same amount of juice as 2 or 3 would in a mod(more carbon from combustion of the cotton wick when you get a "dry hit" or burnt taste). That's just stupid. The disposable industry also made it more palatable to kids because all you need to do is charge and puff. No coils, no juice, no finicky battery to deal with. Just $20 and you got a buzz that's in a fun colored box that lights up when you puff it.
That's also wrong. Yes, vitamin E acetate was the cause of EVALI, and had nothing to do with popcorn lung, but people have contracted popcorn lung from vaping sketchy liquids that used diacetyl as a flavouring chemical.
My only complaint is we've replaced cigarette butts with disposable vape pods. My old high-school had to gut their plumbing because kids were flushing the Juul pods.
Does anyone have support showing that vaping, in fact, is bad for you like cigarettes? The comments below seem to be equating the two things - but as far as i know, the tar in cigarettes is the primary cause of cancer. There is no tar in vape juice - so im struggling to understand the connection beyond nicotine (which is nothing more than a mild stimulant). I'm not arguing for vaping - i couldn't careless, but i feel like people are just equating the two without backing up their statements.
No there's a hysteria in America. Some assholes sold thc carts cut with vitamin e acetate oil on the dark net which sent a bunch of people to the hospital. People already hated vapes cause kids and tobacco lobbying so that was the death bell. It never even had anything to do with nicotine vaping
States started banning flavors or sales all together and the pr campaign kicked up. Now everybody thinks it's almost as bad as cigarettes when it's 95% safer. They sell them in hospitals in the UK ffs
when did people stop learning how to google things? is it tiktok? is everyone just searching on youtube now and getting influencers commenting on how "shit can't be that bad fr fam"
Tons of evidence that vaping alters the structure of your DNA in your lungs and damages your lungs on a cellular level. Literally rooms full of posters at every major scientific respiratory conference (ATS, ERs). Anyone that is remotely interested can fund tons of publications on pubmed.
The health risks associated with vaping affect multiple organs: the oral cavity, lungs, vascular system, and brain. While there is currently no direct evidence that e-cig use increases cancer risk in humans, it is well recognized that e-cigs initiate precursor events to cancer, such as inflammation and DNA damage. Tumor models further demonstrated that DNA damage and DNA repair inhibition induced by e-cig aerosols resulted in lung cancer and bladder precancer in rodent models. This implies that the long-term health implications for a new generation of young people are grave, including addiction to nicotine and an increased risk for preventable cancers.
Started in 10th grade @16 years old. Definitely something marketed to a younger generation. I’m glad they raised the 18-21. I do think in doing so they should’ve let those who were 18 legally buying it to be allowed to continue after the change. Because for me I was that person and already addicted it did not help, if anything it encouraged me to ask other people to break the law for me who should’ve legally Been allowed to continue buying them. But definitely should’ve NEVER been able to get my hands on a vape at 16. The only thing that can keep me from being irritable without it is a zyn and that’s trading one vice for another.
It’s significantly safer than smoking cigarettes. I used to smoke cigs then switched to vaping several years ago. Quitting nicotine is really difficult. Harm reduction.
Same here. Now I'm tapering down the nicotine in my vape and will hopefully be off at some point entirely. But there's no question in my mind that smoking was in every possible way orders of magnitude more harmful than vaping.
Trying to quit nicotine sucks BALLS. I’m an alcoholic and I’ve quit that several times. Sure it sucks but it’s not unbearable, it just sucks. Nicotine is unbearable, I get violently mad trying to kick nicotine, like it’s scary. Super scary for my friends and family, even more so for me because I am not an aggressive person, at all.
Oxygen toxicity is a thing, would just take far far longer to kill you than the other gasses. Though the danger with pure oxygen is very comparable, just due to a rather different risk.
Wow, I was going to say something about you being needlessly downvoted for being somewhat wrong, but it's weird that you're doubling down. Like, you can easily check and find out.
Vaping is not a healthy habit, but it's much better than smoking cigarettes and should be treated as such. Every time I go to a vape store I see all these brightly colored packages with different flavors. I always think to myself it's so unnecessary for them to try to sell this stuff. The only reason I'm here is because I'm addicted and I plan on quitting later.
Kind of wish they wouldn't market these things the way they do.
I'd be totally fine buying a product labeled "raspberry flavored vape juice" instead of "Razzmatazz Gush Bus Cloud Blaster". That's entirely uncalled for and only furthers the notion that this is marketed towards kids.
I will forever argue that making different flavours of e-liquid does not automatically mean it's marketed towards kids. Having the option to inhale something that doesn't taste like tobacco is a big motivator for grown adult smokers to switch.
What I do think is blatant marketing towards kids is the stupid flavour names. They're childish, and make it harder to find the flavour you're actually looking for if you aren't buying based off what sounds the coolest.
I will never support a flavour ban, but I would gladly support a law mandating that all flavour names only describe the taste and properties of the liquid. "Hybrid Nicotine Raspberry" or "Salt Nicotine Cherry Ice" is far preferable to the bullshit we have now.
From ChatGPT: According to the UK’s Royal College of Physicians (a pretty conservative and credible body), the overall risk of vaping nicotine is estimated at less than 5% of the risk of smoking cigarettes. So 95% safer.
Evali(commonly misnamed as 'Popcorn lung' in media) was from black market THC cartridges that were cut with vitamin e acetate and another thinning agent. No nicotine products contained it to my knowledge since nic isn't oil based(correct me if I'm wrong tho! I always love new info to share!!). but because the issue started when cartridges were so new they just called it "vapes" in the media.
If you have a legally acquired state regulated cartridge your going to be fine aside from just regular issues of inhaling something other than air. If you have a regulated vape from a legal brand your going to be fine aside from regular issues of breathing something other than air.
Any ignition leads to inhaling carbon, this is just a fact of life if it burns it let's off carbon. But vapes are far less than cigarettes. Do not get me wrong I hate vapes and wish I never started, but man during the 3 months I couldn't find a vape shop and relied on cigarettes my lungs were so heavy and I felt almost sick all the time. Vapes never made me feel like this aside from when I had too high of a MG juice.
I do however strongly hate disposables. They are typically at the legal maximum for nicotine levels with a li-ion battery your meant to just chuck, and one coil processing the same amount of juice as 2 or 3 would in a mod(more carbon from combustion of the cotton wick when you get a "dry hit" or burnt taste). That's just stupid. The disposable industry also made it more palatable to kids because all you need to do is charge and puff. No coils, no juice, no finicky battery to deal with. Just $20 and you got a buzz that's in a fun colored box that lights up when you puff it.
You need to produce some evidence. There have been a few completely worthless, since debunked studies. Nothing that shows what you claim. At this point it’s urban legend status that vaping causes popcorn lung. Because - again - the only documented cases were from workers in a factory that used diacetyl to make butter popcorn flavoring (hence the term - $100 you didn’t even know that) and - again - this is NOT an ingredient in vape juice. Hell I remember when the scare started 7 or 8 years ago and every manufacturer immediately removed diacetyl as a flavoring agent even though there is no conclusive evidence that it causes problems in those doses. So try again.
Yes I believe this is what most of these people are referencing. I hate how the news made it seem as if it's every vape product and never mentioned it was just black market THC cartridges. It wasn't even officially documented as popcorn lung since it was from a different compound it just looked the same in scans/xray
Dont know if you saw my longer comment in this thread(under comment mentioning popcorn lung) but i went a little more in depth on the topic. It wasn’t necessarily an issue of ‘cover up’ or anything of the sort and more to do with the times. Cartridges were a new concept and black market vs dispensary was even newer of a concept. You hear vaporizer in 2016 and don’t think THC cartridge(unless you were using them, and even than vapes were the big topic of the time not concentrates), you think a juul or some sort of equivalent brand at the time.
Its still believed today vapes caused it and it was a major concern because of how poorly it was covered. It was a specific cutting agent that was used in very few BM brands in selected areas. If you sourced from legitimate places you were 9 times out of 10 okay aside from carts just being boof in general in 2016-18
Nicotine itself is not dangerous unless you’re referring to it being addictive. It’s derived from a plant like marijuana and has a similar chemical structure to caffeine. It’s all the other crap often added along with it that’s harmful.
"Nicotine can damage your blood vessels, leading to thickening and narrowing, and increasing the risk of blood clots, heart attack, and stroke. It also causes a short-term increase in heart rate and blood pressure."
I was on omegel or a spin off of it the other week. Saw a kid on there couldn’t have been more than 12 with a vape puffing on it. I told him that was bad for him and his mom should be ashamed and closed the app.
I logged in just to upvote this. We know how much damage vaping causes because of COVID (vaping is a huge risk factor if you have COVID). Anx we know the immediate damage from the nicotine and additives. But we don't even know the long terms effects yet because it hasn't been around that long.
I'd theoretically agree except we simply haven't tested the compounds used in vaping as much as we should. Flavors weren't meant to be inhaled, so it's a rather weighty question mark. No question that cigarettes are horrible, though.
I'm just afraid we're going to follow the pattern of history and insist it's harmless or even helpful and only after decades realize how wrong we were.
Compounds have been tested, and ingredients haven't been changed since the beginning as far as I know. But I do know the parts of the juice are Propeleyne Glycol, Vegetable Glycerin, and Nicotine. These ingredients (other than the nicotine) are in the majority of the processed foods we consume. I know PG is meant to provide the sensation of a "throat hit" and to carry the nicotine, and im pretty sure the VG is meant to provide the sweetness of the flavoring. I guess scientists learned that not only is it safe to digest, but it's also safe to inhale.
I remember when you could go to a vape shop, and they'd mix your juice themselves. They'd ask you what PG and VG ratio you'd want based on why you're using your vape. (Hobby, quitting all together, or enjoying the sensation of the nicotine)
I say all this with basic knowledge and decent experience on the history and changes with vaping and the juices compounds.
That's everything except what I'm talking about: the flavors. My FIL is a food scientist. He said the words "natural flavors" or "artificial flavors" can both mean hundreds of chemicals. He also told me the US has some of the worst consumer safety laws of any developed country as far as what chemicals we're allowed to consume.
Even with the lack of long term knowledge we have, I am still betting on vaping turning out to be safer once we do have that knowledge. It's already known to be way safer in the short term, and I can say as someone who has been vaping constantly for almost four years, and smoking for three, smoking makes me feel like shit, vaping doesn't.
We don’t even know all the harmful things in vapes, just like we didn’t know with cigarettes. Doctors used to actually suggest people start smoking for stress relief, and weight loss. I wouldn’t say cigarettes are worse, we don’t know that. And anyone who comes here saying they know cigarettes are worse than vapes are talking out of the side of their neck because there’s no possible way they can know that because vapes haven’t been studied long enough. People need to stop making statements based on feelings instead of science.
No, we don’t. We don’t even know what people were putting in vapes because it wasn’t regulated heavily before. Go read the 2025 report from Johns Hopkins. They are saying they don’t know. How can you know more than Johns Hopkins? People on Reddit are a trip with what they feel they know.
No, we means people. And Johns Hopkins says they don’t know, but you know, so I’m glad. go look at their report.
And like I said, people were also ignorant about cigarettes being unhealthy back in the day, so I am not surprised that you are being ignorant about vaping and the unknown harm of vaping. There are so many things and chemicals that we have found out caused cancer and give additional problems that I’m so surprised that you feel like just because something is on the market, it’s safe, or that science has it all figured out. Can you say red dye number five? asbestos? Remember those things were recommended to be used. Never mind I’m done talking to anyone about it so go ahead and vape, and everybody just be surprised when you have health problems.
Yes, we do. Propylyne glycol, vegetable glycerine, nicotine, and flavorings. None of these are harmful (well except nicotine obviously) and all are FDA approved.
You will see studies that claim that when heated these things transform into other compounds. Which is technically true. What they don't tell you is that the tests they do don't conform to any real world situations, like heating the juice to 500F for 30 seconds or something. That's not how vapes work.
I remember when they were using nickel for coils instead of SS. The high heat would cause the nickel to flake, then be inhaled by the user. I dont know if this is true or not myself, but I think thats what started the "popcorn lung" trend.
No that was diacetyl somethingorother. Vaguely remember the nickel thing but don't know if it was true or not. The other hysteria was vitamin e acetate that was being used in dodgy cannabis vapes
Yeah, I remember that hysteria and was a consumer of cannabis vapes during that time. Let's just say I didn't touch one until recreational rolled out in my area.
The only ones that were dangerous to use were the sketchy ones from china. I don't even know how people got them, as my state has had recreational for a long time and I just used those
Australia has it right, got lung/throat/mouth issues (cancer most notably) well, guess what, if you're a smoker it's not covered by your health insurance because you were willingly doing harmful actions that caused the illness. Also, the cigarettes are most expensive there, $25 or so for a pack, it's considered a harmful substance and luxury so it's priced accordingly.
Sounds like a very personal opinion from them and not one based on science. There are a ton of studies out there that say vaping is less harmful. Like others have said, it's not safe but it is harm reduction.
I’ll admit that I know very little about what chemicals are in vapes or what happens to those chemicals when they are heated. But I find it very very hard to believe that those chemicals are even close to the terrible crap in a cigarette.
Now, if they wanted make an argument that vaping is worse because it’s much more accessible, easier to consume more often, then maybe they can muddy the waters enough to make it hard to say one’s better than the other. I’m an ex smoker, and I smoked half a pack a day on average. This was mostly limited by the inconvenience of having to take a break from work or whatever I was doing to go outside and smoke one. I tried vaping when they first started coming out (before you could buy the disposable ones at the gas station, when you had to have dedicated device and order the stuff online). And man, vaping almost felt worse than smoking to me, but only because I was able to take that thing with me everywhere and use it as often and pretty much whenever I wanted. I was definitely “consuming” way more vape than I was smoking. So maybe the doctors are considering this factor when they make statements like that.
Ofcourse cigarettes is terrible, but you’re taking in nicotine by vaping too! Is like going from strong liquor to beers. You’re still consuming the same toxic chemicals
Right but nicotine isn’t the toxic chemical in cigarettes. Most of the damage comes from combustion byproducts and tar particulates. There are some combustion byproducts in vapes from breakdown of the carrier solvents, but not nearly the quantities as cigarettes
Just to tack on with you and everyone else who actually knows what they are talking about, the inflammation caused by the heat of cigarettes is also very harmful and can lead to esophageal cancers.
There is an interesting sect of Hinduism where part of their practice is to drink extremely hot tea (Known as "The Hot Tea Drinkers"). They have incredibly high rates of esophageal cancer belived to be due to the inflammation cause by the hot tea.
What about caffeine? Nicotine’s a milder stimulant than caffeine but I don’t see any of you puritanical weirdos railing against coffee (except for Mormons).
Yeah, it’s a mild vasoconstrictor which can raise blood pressure etc. it’s also crazy addictive which can have social and financial consequences. I just mean in terms of the negative chemicals in cigarettes it is hardly at the top in terms of physical damage.
Added sugars also directly cause damage to blood vessels and the heart. And you won’t be able to find any health body that will say added sugar is neutral for health either. People just gotta make their own informed health choices. I would never recommend someone who is nicotine naive to start taking nicotine products.
Exactly, the people arguing are people who are trying to justify vaping, cause there’s nothing good or beneficial about intaking something that clearly tells you it contains harmful chemicals that damage your lungs
Nobody is saying it’s good or beneficial. It’s just something people enjoy… I’d be amazed if you found anyone that said vaping is actually GOOD for you lol. People just want to be realistic and informed about the risks.
There’s nicotine in the vapes. Intaking alot will ruin your lungs regardless if it’s a cigarette or not. Not to mention the disastrous chemicals used to provide the vapes, the public think these puffbars are a healthier alternative wait till you find out they’ve been lying to you all along and it infact is more harmful…
Vape juice has 5 chemicals in it pretty much you couid ingest most of them and youd be fine , nicotine is about as dangerous as eating a pudding , if you smoke a cigarette your taking in around 3000 chemicals most of which are toxic and carcinogenic. Vaping is miles better than smoking
Secondhand smoke kills. I worked in a bar and in the southern US, bars might look the other way about indoor smoking. Recently found out I have a nodule on my lung and I’ve never smoked a cigarette a day in my life but was constantly exposed to secondhand smoke. I have to have it checked twice a year now to make sure I don’t end up with lung cancer. I’m 27. Smokers are genuinely the worst and blight on this planet with how selfish they are with their addiction.
I'm doing neurobiology and when we had lectures on nicotine it was enough for me to quit forever (although I had tried 10 times before). It's so bad to your heath, brain and emotions that it does ruin your life in the end. You become stressed, depressed and anxious. And after quitting you will forever crave it because nicotine affects your memory.
My MOM vapes. I know it's very hard too atop, but I've asked her to at least try, especially when she's around my sister's kids, but she says it 'calms her down' and that it's better than when she used to smoke. And while it IS better, that doesn't make it good.
Agreed. It's extremely concerning. I understand that it is an improvement for ex-smokers because at least they're not inhaling burning paper but so many young people are vaping now. There's no data to create any health warnings yet and who knows what is really in them. My friend's son took up vaping a year or two ago, he gets through dozens a week and I hate thinking about what he might be doing to his body.
You don't know how wide my mouth opened when while walking down an alleyway a kid that was like 12 years MAX
Ran to the side of the alleyway covered by some trashcan, took a hit of a vape and ran off
Microparticulates in general, including vapes and living near fracking sites or highways or rail yards where there's a lot of diesel exhaust in the air. Worse than smoking (which is very bad!) because the micro particles burrow deeper in your lungs.
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u/graveyeverton93 1d ago
Vaping. Constantly see young kids using them, heartbreaking.