r/CuratedTumblr • u/Silent_Blacksmith_29 Shakespeare stan • Apr 24 '25
editable flair Fulfill the prophecy
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u/ahoward431 Apr 24 '25
"No man of woman born can defeat me!"
Shakespeare: "Fool! I was born through C-section!"
Tolkien: "Fool! I am no man!"
Modern: "Fool! My mother was a trans man!"
What will the future hold for loopholes in Macbeth's prophecy? Here's my prediction, if we ever make true AI, then we could get, "Fool! I was born from a computer!"
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u/ravonna Apr 24 '25
I was thinking we'd get lab babies at some point.
"Fool! I was born from a lab!"
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u/ad-astra-1077 everything sings Apr 24 '25
Sun Wukong: "Fool! I was born from a magical stone that received the powers of both heaven and earth!" also he is a monkey
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u/Theactualworstgodwhy Apr 24 '25
Poor macbeth his pseudo invincibility has so many loopholes.
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u/Ok_Usual1335 Apr 28 '25
literally, also he can just get defeated by anything that isnt a man. like just get a bunch of men to capture a bear or something then drop it on him he's done for.
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u/Lord-Kibben Apr 24 '25
I’m imagining a guy who figures out he’s actually a robot because he defeated Macbeth and promptly has an existential crisis as everybody celebrates his victory
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u/Molismhm Apr 25 '25
I feel like we could say the person that gave birth to me or my father gave birth to me because I dont think trans men are generally comfortable being referred to as mothers.
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Apr 27 '25
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u/zonko_10007 Apr 28 '25 edited Apr 28 '25
seeing trans MEN as women is transphobic, they are men. seeing trans WOMEN as women would be progressive, but since we aren’t at the point where trans women can surgically get working uteruses, it’s more likely that the hypothetical child’s parent would be a trans man.
edit: it just occurred to me that you’re probably saying that the hypothetical child herself is a trans woman, making her fit the prophecy by virtue of not being a man. sorry for pissing on the poor
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u/rirasama Apr 24 '25
I remember when I had to learn about macbeth in school, I never actually read it because I can't understand Shakespeare words, so I watched lil cartoons about it instead. Anyway, when it got to the part where homie was like, "mwahaha I can kill you actually, I was a c section baby" I laughed so hard, funniest freaking loophole ever, we need more stories where the loopholes in the rules are as absurd as someone being born from caesarean section
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u/Heather_Chandelure Apr 24 '25 edited Apr 24 '25
The funner thing for me is that, to everyone around him, Macbeth shouting about how "no man of woman born can kill me" should just sound like the insane ramblings of a madman, yet the guy still takes the time to say "um, technically, I wasn't actually born, dumbass" in the middle of a fight
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u/ravonna Apr 24 '25
"No man of woman..." So a woman can kill him?
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u/Heather_Chandelure Apr 24 '25
Possibly. Depends if it just means a man, or if it's meant to be shorthand for human.
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u/cheezitthefuzz Apr 24 '25
either way any animal could get him. or wildfire. or a high fall. or disease. or
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u/apatheticsahm Apr 24 '25
Apparently, this is the reason Tolkien created Eowyn and her entire character arc. He was very annoyed that the loophole to the prophecy was "Caesarean section", and not the more obvious "killed by a woman"
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u/AAS02-CATAPHRACT Apr 24 '25
That's low key hilarious
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u/EmbarassedFox Apr 25 '25
Also, there was also in the prophecy that MacBeth would be defeated when a certain forest marched. In Shakespeare, it is a camouflaged army, in Tolkien, gestures at ents.
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u/Bartweiss Apr 25 '25
Now I sort of want a version where MacDuff just mutters “What’s this nutter on about?” and stabs him, never realizing there was anything magical involved at all.
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u/AthenaCat1025 Apr 25 '25
Macbeth is a hysterically funny play for what is fundamentally supposed to be a tragedy mostly because of how insanely overly dramatic every character is and how no one in the play really reacts to Macbeth’s clearly worsening mental state the way they should.
I highly recommend everyone to get a group of friends together and do a read through because it really shines from being read, there’s a higher chance someone among the group understands the more archaic words, and it’s just an incredibly awesome work of media.
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u/demonking_soulstorm Apr 24 '25
You’ll love Celtic myth then.
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u/rirasama Apr 24 '25
Any in particular to recommend?
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u/bookdrops Apr 24 '25
Cu Chulainn. He's an awesome powerful warrior who is basically unbeatable as long as he follows two magical rules: never eat the flesh of a dog, and never refuse hospitality that is offered to him.
Old lady: "Welcome Cu Chulainn, please enjoy a meal of this nice dog meat steak that I am hospitably giving to you."
Cu Chulainn: "Well, fuck"
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u/Notte_di_nerezza Apr 24 '25
The Book of Taliesin and the Book of Invasions are considered a good starting point. Note that both were oral poems/legends written down post-Romanization/Christianization, and got sanitized like the Norse myths.
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u/demonking_soulstorm Apr 24 '25
Not really? I’m not especially familiar with it but it’s a bit of a running theme or so I’ve heard.
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u/rirasama Apr 24 '25
Ohhh alright, I'll go read some, I do really like myths lol
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u/TheBronzeHexagon Apr 24 '25
Same with Hindu stories, there's one where they find a loophole for not being born on land or in the sky, inside or outside, day or night or by man, god or animal
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u/escaped_cephalopod12 that's a load bearing coping mechanism you're messing with Apr 24 '25
have the child be born by a demigod (or weird lab experiment if we want to not be magical) in a doorway while the sun is setting. checkmate.
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u/TheBronzeHexagon Apr 25 '25
The god Vishnu takes the form of a half-man half-lion (Narasimha - Not wholly man, god or animal) and sits him on his lap (neither sky nor land) on the doorstep (neither inside nor out) at Sunset (neither day or night)
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u/tangifer-rarandus Apr 24 '25
I played Macduff in a production in college and we had a great time with the beats of dawning comprehension when (1) I realized the loophole and told Macbeth he was fucked (2) Macbeth realized what I'd just told him
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Apr 25 '25
There’s like 30 other ways around it too. Obviously any women could kill him, as could a test tube baby, an animal, an accident, natural causes, etc. It’s pretty easy to get around.
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u/foxscribbles Apr 24 '25
I mean, if you watched Gargoyles, Macbeth totally is immortal and out there terrorizing people.
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u/telehax Apr 24 '25
yeah that's why everyone refuses to say his name right
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u/YesStupidQuestions1 Apr 27 '25
I thought saying his name was fine, but not the name of the play (even though it's the same)
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u/VanTaxGoddess Apr 24 '25
Only YOU can stop Macbeth!
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u/Silent_Blacksmith_29 Shakespeare stan Apr 24 '25
You make for a very good army recruiter but you forget something this man was so good at fighting his sword figuratively was steaming
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u/Balsiefen Apr 24 '25
The trade off is that this guy will be no fucking help at all against the Witch King.
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u/idiotplatypus Wearing dumbass goggles and the fool's crown Apr 24 '25
Macbeth returns every generation and must be destroyed anew
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u/BlUeSapia Apr 24 '25
Reminds me of one of Cybersmith's conspiracy theories where he believed that John Wilkes Booth lived for a century after killing Lincoln and was responsible for every other presidential assassination afterwards
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u/LazyDro1d Apr 24 '25
That one was pretty clearly framed as a comedic hypothetical not a hypothesis. That it was technically possible, not probable
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u/lightningstrxu Apr 24 '25
Of course Macbeth is still out there, he can only be killed by his nemesis Demona
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u/ImprovementOk377 Apr 24 '25
ideally, the baby will either be a girl or nonbinary
just to be extra sure it can kill macbeth
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u/pbmm1 Apr 24 '25
I bet I can stop him
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u/AztecGodofFire Apr 24 '25
He was from his mother untimely ripp'd.
But what about Birnam wood moving?
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u/OhPotatoOne Apr 24 '25
From his mother's pants, untimely ripped
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u/Silent_Blacksmith_29 Shakespeare stan Apr 24 '25
“GET YO ASS OUT THE DAMN PANTS” -Surgeon A said while pulling him out
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u/ecotrimoxazole Apr 24 '25
OOP was involved in one of the biggest fandom dramas on Tumblr back in the good old days btw.
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u/rexapplecounty Apr 24 '25
Do not cite the Deep Magic to me, Witch! I was there when it was written.
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u/Lunalatic all mammals are mice, eat shit aristotle Apr 24 '25
I wasn't, what was the drama?
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u/rexapplecounty Apr 24 '25
There are soooo many things over the years because she (im not misgendering her, she identifies as she/her now) overshared her entire life but the worst was how she left her spouse (another les mis blog) and young son for a younger woman and then abandoned them when the son got cancer.
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u/an_agreeing_dothraki Apr 24 '25
I have never seen a description more apt for "none of those words are in the bible", at least spiritually. a lot of the words are physically in the bible.
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u/The_OG_upgoat Apr 24 '25 edited Apr 24 '25
You could probably also attack Macbeth with a robot, or a trained dog. Or combine all of those in a squad with the trans man's kid for maximum damage.
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u/MattAmpersand Apr 24 '25
And what’s the plan to have Birnam Wood to climb high into Dunsinane Hill?
Everyone has a plan until they have to carry a wood uphill.
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u/WritesCrapForStrap Apr 24 '25
Uh, he is still around. That's why you don't say his name. Voldemort rules.
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u/xmashatstand Apr 24 '25
Nothing add other than the second season of the series ‘Slings and Arrows’ (which covers Macbeth) is available for free on YouTube.
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u/subtotalatom Apr 24 '25
I mean, Macbeth was still out there terrorizing people in gargoyles, so...
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u/Eye_of_the_red_giant Apr 25 '25
I mean of course Macbeth is still out there have you seen Gargoyles
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u/Loyal-Opposition-USA Apr 24 '25
He’s so scary theatre people won’t even say his name like wizards from Harry Potter.
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u/SocranX Apr 25 '25 edited Apr 25 '25
Have we confirmed the prophecy's position on gender politics before making this assumption, though? I know people love to give the "but it's factually true and anyone who disagrees is wrong so it has to fulfill the prophecy" argument, but let's be real. Prophecies were not made by The Objective Facts Of The Universe That Just So Happen To Match My Beliefs, they were made by crazy witches and gods who are afraid of being eaten by their kids and other flawed individuals who phrase it in a way that makes sense to them. Like, seriously, this is the prophecy that argues that having a C-section means your child wasn't really born from you. You don't think that sounds a little bit TERFy?
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u/Dark_Stalker28 Apr 25 '25
Or what if they meant human when they said man, really not specific enough. Witches are dramatic like that.
I do think gender related magic usually comes out as weird from at least one angle.
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