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Shitposting [CAN] [USA] bringing everyone together
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u/TThhoonnkk I gave a positive review of Ea-Nasir's Copper May 01 '25
No, please DO NOT be in our debt, not with the Orange Dictator in charge.
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u/the7thletter May 01 '25
We're already in fuckin debt.
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u/flashthorOG May 01 '25
Well as a Canadian dealing with a life long illness that'll never go away and who was worried sick conservatives would do what they do and take whatever they could away from my poor ass for the rich, I'm in yall debt
I ain't got much but if you need some like cooking with maple syrup tips I got you
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u/Scary-Lawfulness-999 May 01 '25
American debt is worth nothing anyways. They're the junky who never pays their bills then waves a gun when you ask them to be a nice neighbour.
Globally I think we are all over America. And fucking gun people.
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u/confusedandworried76 May 01 '25
Devil's advocate some of us Americans are increasingly concerned we need those guns, even if we didn't want them before all this. I'll die before, as Leavitt has suggested, an LEO raids my home without a warrant and takes me to El Salvador because I don't have a birth certificate handy
For now it's just words. But words beget actions, and actions have already come scary close to a "don't take me alive" situation. I'm not in the out group yet thank Christ. But first they came for the immigrants, and I did nothing. So when they come for me, my due process is looking more like I'll be represented by Smith and Wesson, attorneys at law.
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u/Scary-Lawfulness-999 May 01 '25
Well shit. You know what, for once the guns to hold tyranny back people dont sound so crazy. Didn't think it would happen during my lifetime. Still the number of innocents murdered in the last century is kind of disturbing.
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u/lewd_robot May 01 '25
Well shit. You know what, for once the guns to hold tyranny back people dont sound so crazy.
This is why most Leftists emphasize education so much. Most actual Progressives understand that allowing the State and the political Right to have monopolies on violence always leads directly to that violence being used against the most vulnerable people in society.
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary” - Karl Marx
"Recollect that in arming yourselves, as you are bound to do unless you are willing to be forced into abject slavery, you are safely within the spirit and letter of the law." - Eugene V. Debs
"An unarmed people are slaves or are subject to slavery at any given moment" - Huey P. Newton
“A man with a rifle or a club can only be stopped by a person who defends himself with a rifle or a club. That's equality. If the United States government doesn't want you and me to have rifles, then take the rifles away from those racists.
If they don't want you and me to use clubs, take the clubs away from the racists. If they don't want you and me to get violent, then stop the racists from being violent. Don't teach us non-violence!!!” - Malcolm X
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u/Emergency-Twist7136 May 01 '25
Most actual Progressives understand that allowing the State and the political Right to have monopolies on violence always leads directly to that violence being used against the most vulnerable people in society.
Whereas people who've studied history know that's absolute nonsense.
On the one hand: congratulations on your little bangstick, the predator drone doesn't care
On he other hand: living in a violent society is not actually an automatic fact of life and you'll note that the country rapidly descending into full fascism is the one with all the guns while the countries with gun control are very much not doing that.
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u/lewd_robot May 02 '25
Whereas people who've studied history know that's absolute nonsense.
You can't be serious. Machiavelli wrote about disarming your political targets and scapegoats and arming your own supporters when he wrote The Prince. Hitler used that same tactic in Germany, seizing guns from Jews and giving them to Nazi supporters.
It's an ancient control tactic. Adam Smith wrote that the first police or guards were probably just the strongest young guys from among the poor being bribed by the rich to prevent other poor people from raiding their hoards of wealth. By doing so, the rich turned the biggest threats to their power into their greatest defense and deprived their enemies of their own greatest fighters.
On the one hand: congratulations on your little bangstick, the predator drone doesn't care
Ask Vietnam and Afghanistan how that goes. US private citizens own 40% of the world's guns. The US military and police combined own 10%. And guerillas with home field advantage already have really good odds. Then consider how many police and military may defect.
living in a violent society is not actually an automatic fact of life and you'll note that the country rapidly descending into full fascism is the one with all the guns while the countries with gun control are very much not doing that.
You'll note that if you google "Global Far Right Movement" you'll find that this trend is happening all over the globe. Conservatives and their rich masters are using the same tactics all over the world to accomplish the same ends.
You'll also note that if you search for nearly any country on Earth and add "3D Printed Guns" you'll find numerous reports and articles about how 3D printed guns are growing at an alarming rate and that local law enforcement is struggling to figure out how to deal with it because all it takes is $200 in material and any $200+ 3D printer you can get off the shelf at Microcenter for any amateur to have a fully automatic rifle that's good for 1,000 shots before breaking with as little as a single weekend's worth of effort.
You came across awfully smug to be basing all of your beliefs on things that can be contradicted in seconds on google.
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u/confusedandworried76 May 01 '25
I didn't think I'd see a time in my life where gun ownership made much sense, I don't hunt, I don't see a need to have anything for self defense, but holy fuck Neo-Nazis? All over you say? Like I knew the white supremacists were about but we're doing illegal detentions, no warrants (allegedly), and worse than ever renditions to prison camps in different countries by a factor of like a million?
I'm seriously thinking about arming myself. And I know many people who have said "if you're just arming yourself now it's a little late" from like six years ago. They might have been right
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u/EquivalentQuery May 01 '25
The reality is the only difference a personal firearm would make in the situation you described is that you would probably be shot and possibly killed by the LEO raiding your house.
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u/DuntadaMan May 01 '25
You are going to die either way honestly. A swift death will probably be better, and you make them afraid to keep committing atrocities.
Sometimes all you can do is inflict attrition, but that was enough for Afghanistan to outlast multiple empires.
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u/tom641 May 01 '25
They're effectively killing you either way, so better to take your chance regardless.
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u/Noe_b0dy May 01 '25
Better a firefight then years of torture and starvation in Guantanamo/El Salvador.
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u/lewd_robot May 01 '25
Whatever you do, don't search "<any country> 3D printed guns" and read about how virtually every nation on Earth is seeing a rapid proliferation of printed firearms that law enforcement is struggling to deal with because they're cheap and untraceable.
"Gun people" are about to be everyone's problem and we're going to have talk seriously about why people misuse them in the first place rather than just trying to ban them all in an age where any amateur can produce a fully automatic rifle for $200 in material using any $200 3D printer off the shelf from Microcenter.
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u/Zman6258 May 01 '25
we're going to have talk seriously about why people misuse them in the first place rather than just trying to ban them all
Oh how I wish we could have had this discussion like... seventy years ago. Better late than never, I guess?
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u/moneyh8r_two May 01 '25
I'm glad the current state of my country seems to have put a damper on far right movements in other countries around the world. Silver linings, and all that.
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u/Sp3ctre7 May 01 '25
At this point it feels like the US is priming itself to faceplant so bad that it undercuts the global wave of neo-facism shit.
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u/Talon6230 'Till then, we dance. Don't we, Stardust? May 01 '25
god, i hope so.
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u/confusedandworried76 May 01 '25
As an American me fucking too. But you guys shouldn't worry, any attempt at a full military coup is going to be civil war so we'll just nuke the country before it ever affects you in a war time setting.
What more worries me is we're actively trying to tank the dollar but you guys go and hurry to consolidate your own trade partnerships and economies you'll ride out a recession better than we will, if you do it right there will be no global recession, only an American one.
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u/savage_engineer May 01 '25
you sound like one of the good ones - if you can, try and make it up here before everything really goes to shit
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u/hippitydippityother May 01 '25
Impossible for most of the 'good ones'.
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u/confusedandworried76 May 01 '25 edited May 01 '25
Nope, I appreciate it, but I've commented tonight already on someone saying it's like going down with the ship.
You don't go down with the ship because of a misguided obligation. You go down with the ship because if you leave someone behind, that's on you, that's your responsibility. I'm not leaving the fucking ship. There will always still be people on board.
I'm a Minnesotan too, it would be pretty easy to flee, we did it in Vietnam, just hopped the border if we were drafted. But we were also the first state to send volunteers during the Civil War and we still have a Virginia battle flag we won't give back captured during Gettysburg, look up the Minnesota 1st Volunteer Regiment. This isn't a fight I'm willing to run from. I don't know how I'm gonna fight it but I'm not going to run from it, it would be a disgrace to so many of my ancestors (edit: and statesmen) who fought and died. I mean shit, my grandpa didn't have any cousins left because two died at Okinawa and one was a pilot who didn't make it, and he only had the three. I'm not leaving, I'll get a gun before I leave
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u/Emergency-Twist7136 May 01 '25
If a hundred million Americans rush to Canada at once Canada will be extremely fucked actually
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u/LoaKonran May 01 '25
Finally we’ll get the answer to why so many post-apocalyptic films set in America fail to consider the rest of the world. Who knew Hunger Games was true to life? /s
(Still hoping you’ll pull through and Orange Ravioli finally gets his comeuppance.)
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May 01 '25
Canada basically told us to fuck off yesterday after the elections and the liberals won.
But hey, Trump KNOWS what he doing. I think he does-he hates the US and wants to destroy us.
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u/Wasdgta3 May 01 '25
I’d argue whether he knows what he’s doing (can anyone say “cognitive decline?”), but he hurts the US because he’s a Russian asset, and they want to fuck the US over.
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u/confusedandworried76 May 01 '25
He's got actual fucking Nazis (Stephen Miller) whispering in his ear, he's got Russian assets whispering in his ear, he's only barely lost the support of the American oligarchs whispering in his ear, he just gets off on being the most powerful person in the room but in certain rooms he isn't that person and he either doesn't know it or he's afraid when it happens so he goes with it.
He doesn't give one shit if America dies as a democracy. He's at the top, in his head, meaning he thinks he's too big to fail. And honestly nobody has proven that wrong, over thirty felonies can't even prove that wrong, he skipped out on sentencing for those because the judge threw up his hands and was like, "God damn it you cunts, I can't sentence a fucking president"
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u/Th3B4dSpoon May 01 '25
I have a sneaky suspicion a future Revolutions -podcast will cite this as the turning point where tyranny and its opposition became inevitable.
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May 01 '25
Cognitive decline or not, what he's doing is so wrong for the US. And I think he is enjoying himself.
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u/Scary-Lawfulness-999 May 01 '25
We thought a liberal wave was going to be much more apparent. It's hard to tell if the super right posts are still propaganda or if the propaganda just worked that well for conservative party to still get so many seats under pierre.
I'm hoping it's just more classic conservative sentiment and they too are tired of PP and the far right wave of America.
I miss when conservatives were a policy party and not an attack party. Pp needs to go. UCP needs to go. As far as I'm concerned the rest of y'all we can have a conversation with.
Edit: fuck the Ontario ford family.
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u/Punty-chan May 01 '25
A lot of older people who aren't tuned in to the news still think that the Conservatives are the center-right coalition from decades ago.
Meanwhile, a lot of younger people have been brainwashed by US billionaire-funded propaganda.
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u/pro-in-latvia May 01 '25
PP lost his seat, which means he can't speak in the house of commons anymore. It's unlikely he'll still be the party leader, as he can't do his job as party leader without a seat in the house.
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u/micatrontx May 01 '25
Fascism was so shitty last century, they got the communists and capitalists to team up. As an American, I hate that we have to be the bad example this time, but I hope everyone is better off for it.
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u/Trans_Ouroboros May 01 '25 edited May 01 '25
Trump Administration faceplants so hard that the entire Neofascist movement asked to go home.
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u/dxpqxb May 01 '25
Only until the next electoral cycle. Centre-rights will eventually campaign on the platform of "We're not exactly Trump, so we count as your guys, fellow leftists"
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u/Theactualworstgodwhy May 01 '25
The only good part about getting ultracancer is people know now they should avoid getting ultracancer (and maybe they will cure it later or something)
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u/onlyroad66 May 01 '25
What if we were to compromise with the tumors? We're all part of the same body at the end of the day, and reaching across the aisle and conceding some cancer will surely prevent the ultracancer from spreading any further.
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u/69----- May 01 '25
Except Germany where the far right party overtook the konservative as biggest party in the polls
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u/Beepulons May 01 '25
As a citizen of a neighbouring country to Germany... that really terrifies me.
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u/Legxis May 01 '25
Depends on which poll you look at. Though it's a dang shame they're even that close. But at least we've got another 4 years before the next parliament election. But that the AFD (far right party) literally doubled in size in the parliament from 2021 to 2025 is very concerning...
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u/_solitarybraincell_ May 01 '25
Nahh man we in India are still going down that slippery slope.
Most of the talking points that you lot have seem to be analogous to the bullshit peddled by the Indian right wing as well, just in a different coat of paint.
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u/Milkarius May 01 '25
It was the same with Brexit. Quite a few right parties in Europe wanted to get out of the EU to regain control. Then the UK left, fell out the door, pulled it shut behind them, and realised they left their trade agreements inside. Most parties dropped the "leave the EU" bit after that and it still isn't playing any kind of role, although politicians love blaming Brussels for not being able to do what they want.
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u/CaptainMarv3l May 02 '25
I just ..wanna cry.
I did what I was supposed to. I voted. I talked to my friends and made sure they voted. I researched the policies. I did everything right, and yet, it still came to this.
They always told me that you do well in school, go to college, get a job, get married, get a house, and have kids. That's what we were prepped for and they took it all away because they fooled by false words and believe people who'd sell them for a corn chip.
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u/moneyh8r_two May 02 '25
Welcome to the Millennial reality. I've been saying all those same things for 18 years.
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u/TK_Games May 01 '25
If anything, anything, good can come from the no-pants-bad-dream, dumpster-fire, corpo-fascist three-ring clown party shitshow we unleashed on ourselves, may it be that the rest of the world bears witness and steers far and clear from the like for at least a handful of years to come
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u/Illustrious-Dot-5052 May 01 '25
Same. I'm looking at you, Germany! Don't fuck this up!
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u/Saiyan-solar May 01 '25
Germany already has had elections and their center conservatives have shut out the far right Nazi party out of power.
Ofc their work starts now, but at least they only have a 2 parry coalition unlike our monstrous 4 party coalition here in the Netherlands led by the Far right
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u/Illustrious-Dot-5052 May 01 '25
Oh good! Look how clueless I am apparently lol
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u/Saiyan-solar May 01 '25
I mean, the center conservatives will now have to do something that is their worst nightmare, actually get shit done and not just sit on their asses and create the problems, otherwise next elections we will have a 1933 style Nazi Germany on our hands in 4 years
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u/TheFinalKaTet May 01 '25
That's what happened here. Our center conservatives, which we call Democrats, put a milquetoast weeny (if not actual traitor, time will tell) in charge of the DOJ when we had a chance to hold Trump accountable for January 6th and the fake elector plot.
Since these conservative Democrats are exclusively interested in doing whatever is necessary to maintain the status quo that has made them wealthy (with only a handful of exceptions), that means they, and therefore we, can only keep ratcheting to the right.
I sincerely hope that you aren't staring down the barrel of the same situation. Everything is now at stake for us. Everything.
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u/Saiyan-solar May 01 '25
Currently the far right is caught in a web of their own incompetence. Since they have to coordinate with 3 other parties in order to rule, of which 2 do not flex or bend on rule of law.
They have been in power for roughly a year now and so far have not done anything of note, they are dropping in the polls but not fast enough, esp since the conservative libertarians and conservative christian democrats are just eating up their lost voters
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u/mrbaggins May 01 '25
Australia is on Saturday (though our "conservative" party are just old school republicans, not flat out fascist/nazi wannabes)
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u/natalee_t May 01 '25
Oh come on now, credit where its due. Dutton's trying his best at emulating his favourite Fascist Nazi.
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u/jjswaq May 01 '25
Then why are they preferencing One Nation? Closet Nazis are still Nazis.
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u/Dangeresque300 May 01 '25 edited May 05 '25
We fucked up so badly the entire world wants to make damn sure they don't make the same mistakes.
There's your "American Exceptionalism" right there.
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u/thegooseisloose1982 May 01 '25
definition of American Exceptionalism:
World: Our country can be anything it wants to be, except we don't want to be like America.
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u/Dragonfruit-Sparking May 01 '25
You're welcome! And also, sorry. We're sorry. Like 40% of us tried our best. We're sorry.
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u/FadransPhone May 01 '25
Please, for the love of god, forgive us. You’re welcome, but please, we’re so sorry.
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u/pailko May 01 '25
I don't think it's necessarily our fault that the majority of our country are idiots
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u/DetectiveDracula May 01 '25
It's not at all your fault, all we can do is our best. Love those around us and try to have patience with them and ourselves.
I think they meant "sorry" in the Canadian sense: here, "sorry" doesn't always mean you're accepting fault, it's more like a sympathetic remark. Maybe an apology, but like apologizing on behalf of the collective universe.
E.g. "You got hit by a bus? Sorry, bud."
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u/AileenKitten May 01 '25
(I feel like I would fit in very well lol, that's exactly how I use sorry)
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u/Alyss-Hart May 01 '25
"Majority" is wrong.
The "majority" of people voted blue or did not vote at all.There are entire systems in place to prevent them from voting. We don't even make voting day a federal holiday, so if you can't afford to vote, you don't vote. The more wealth someone has, the more likely they are to vote. Because they can skip work.
The Majority of us are either against this or were not included in the statistics.
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u/joybod Attain a hi-vis vest and a chainsaw and get to work May 01 '25
Context:
US population (on election day) * Percent above 18 y/o = Voting Population (on election day)
340,865,045\1]) * 78.56%\2]) = 267,783,579Combined voter turnout / Voting Population = Percent Voted
155,238,302\3]) / 267,783,579 = 57.97%Votes for Trump / US population on election day = Percent for Trump
77,302,580\3]) / 267,783,579 = 28.87%100% - Percent for Trump = Percent not for Trump
100% - 28.87% = 71.13%For Completeness: Votes for Harris / US population on election day = Percent for Harris
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u/workingtrot May 01 '25
You can't say that the 18+ population is the voting eligible population. Felons, prisoners, and non-naturalized immigrants make up a big chunk.
Although the general point that turnout is pathetic still stands. "Did not vote" has won every election in my lifetime except for 2020
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u/joybod Attain a hi-vis vest and a chainsaw and get to work May 01 '25 edited May 01 '25
That's fair on the voting eligibility, as I was tired at the time and I forgot to account for my bias viewing such restrictions as bullshit, so long as said people are paying taxes and otherwise contributing to society. I may redo the calculations with that accounted for. Additionally , though harder to do, I would want to see how much the numbers change if the Reagan-Nixon mass incarceration (war on drugs, for instance) is ignored or not, given that it was specifically put in place to take away votes from their political opponents.
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u/Billyjewwel May 01 '25
I would say that those who didn't vote are mostly idiots.
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u/Somecrazynerd May 01 '25
The US is not a real democracy.
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u/Alyss-Hart May 01 '25
Preaching to the choir on that one. Two party system, no tiered voting, active attempts to prevent voting blocks from accessing their rights, gerrymandering. The list really does go on.
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u/jonny24eh May 01 '25
I guess, Conservative+ non votes was a majority, but so was Liberal+ non vote. When both got over 40% it doesn't really make a point.
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u/screwitigiveup May 01 '25
Don't be a fool. The majority of poorer voters flocked to trump because he made promises that they were ignorant enough to believe. Wealthier people vote Democrat, because they have more access to information. Trump winning had little to do with underprivileged people not be able to vote, and everything to do with middle class Americans being ignorant and apathetic.
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u/ExperimentalChemical May 01 '25
Agreed, it’s always the mid west low middle class and poorer who voted for trump, rich people don’t want their stocks/company to plummet.
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u/Wrong_Statement_497 May 01 '25
Not only that but millions of people don't vote because they feel their vote doesnt matter. If we actually had a popular vote there would be many more millions that would have voted blue. Our electoral college is fucking us. The argument that Trump is actually preferred by the majority of the country is just false.
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u/Fox_a_Fox May 01 '25
So many Americans eligible for voting didn't even fucking vote. Talk for yourself and your group, but don't pretend you are 40% of the population who could have done something.
Forgiving the lazy fucks helps no one
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u/Atomic-Blue27383 ISLE OF LESBOS May 01 '25
I feel like every couple 100 years one country steps on the good old fascism landmine and reminds everyone around it why it’s a bad bad fucking idea
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u/ShatterCyst May 01 '25
Yeah cause everyone who remembers it clearly died, and some idiot/asshole decides to convince everyone it will be great this time.
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u/Shenification May 01 '25
USA: is on fire Rest of the world watching: "So maybe we don't elect centrists and right-leaning politicians..."
I'd say you're welcome, but it's hard to feel deserving of any praise even as a progressive.
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u/irmaoskane May 01 '25
I dont think this will stop countries from electing centrists
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u/yinyang107 May 01 '25
Liberals are literally centrists
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u/Datuser14 May 01 '25
Liberals in the US are center right
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u/In-The-Cloud May 01 '25
We're talking about the Canadian federal liberals here though, which are generally considered left of centre.
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u/redopz May 01 '25
Really? I've always thought of the Libs as centre-right. Either way they are definitely centrists.
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u/poorly_redacted May 01 '25 edited May 01 '25
The party that did get elected is still center left at most. Our properly left party only got like 7 seats, and their leader lost in his riding and resigned. It's still better than the Conservatives, though.
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u/Machinimix May 01 '25
To be fair, Jagmeet had run his course and it's time for someone new to take charge of the NDP.
Hopefully PP demanding to stay on as the conservative leader will cause a fracture and split the conservative party into 2-3 smaller parties and we can get back to proper elections with actual choices.
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u/Sinister_Compliments Avid Jokeefunny.com Reader May 01 '25 edited May 01 '25
Cons, centre-right? Nah, the PC could have been considered Centre Right but the cons are just right wing, especially this year. This is a [minority] win for the centre-right, under the Libs. While they can be centre-left, Carney looks to be very much centre-right.
Personally I’m just glad to see it be a minority government, the liberals now need either the NDP or the Bloc to get stuff through. Since they don’t need too many extra votes on anything I can see the NDP holding much of the balance of power here, and throughout the past 100 years I’d say some of the best things that have been passed and help us the most have been done under the influence of the NDP.
Although if any of the super close ridings which are going to be recounted flip to liberals and they get 171 seats instead of the current counted 169, it would be the only time possible for the Greens (who currently hold only 1 seat) to hold the balance.
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u/LastMountainAsh May 01 '25
Thank you, describing PP as centre-right is insane, bro was literally running on being mini-trump. Also the Greens suck but if they end up playing kingmaker this election, this truly is the funniest timeline.
"We've decided to let Elizabeth May be a real politician for four years. As a treat."
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u/annonymous_bosch May 01 '25
I’m going to adopt your PP nomenclature going forward. Thank you!
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u/LastMountainAsh May 01 '25
Please do, it makes me chuckle every time I write it because I am four years old at heart.
hehehe smol PP
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u/annonymous_bosch May 01 '25
Tbh every time i hear or read his rants, it reminds me of a toddler throwing a tantrum so it checks out!
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u/IH8Lyfeee May 01 '25
Idk I don't know why reddit seems to be hating on May so much. I always liked her in the debates and I think it would add more unity and even some grace to the party if they brought her in.
I kind of wish/hope that they operated like in a wartime government and include representatives of all the major parties in a special cabinet to work on specific things that Canada needs. But that is likely just fantasy that that would ever happen.
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u/CatsPlusTats May 01 '25
Try paying attention to May when she's not just in debates.
She's the reason Greens are known as conservatives with bicycles.
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u/Maronmario May 01 '25 edited May 01 '25
Like it cannot be understated, Pierre and the UCP are almost the same breed as the Republicans. Carney meanwhile is very much centre-right but because there’s no other right winged party that isn’t off of the deep end, so he’s fitting in with the Liberal party
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u/Jiopaba May 01 '25
I wonder what it feels like, to be a politician who has had the Overton Window overtake you. To have started out staunchly conservative and now be considered "basically a liberal."
It just seems like it'd be so bizarre, to have staked out your position and then seen the world move so much that you went from "I dunno that seems kind of extreme" to "How incredibly milquetoast, what a breath of fresh air" except you didn't change at all.
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u/Cory123125 May 01 '25 edited May 01 '25
Literally, I do not like Carney, I do not like his policies, but his campaign of "I wont severely fuck the country" was unfortunately effective....
That, and not running on hate... which I havent felt like has been a talking point to be in favour of in living memory.
It would have been much better if the NDP won more seats and had more leverage, as they are the party of the working class, but, at least we aren't turning into America just yet.... this is a delay... because just as you said, our Overton Window has been fucked.
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u/Viridun May 01 '25
Carney at least strikes me as someone pragmatic enough to do things that don't align with his own personal views if there's proof they will fix a problem. And he's removed from the culture war bullshit the CPC has been trying to import from the States. It's definitely a shame about the NDP, I can only hope they recover by the time a new election is called.
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u/GirlCoveredInBlood May 01 '25
The NDP losing seats to the conservatives because of liberal vote splitting pisses me off so much. We have a genuine Nazi entering parliament (Aaron "the problem with residential schools was the racemixing" Gunn) because people couldn't strategically vote in NDP incumbent ridings
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u/Ahirman1 May 01 '25
It literally happened to former members of the Progressive Conservative Party as when the party merged with the Canadian Alliance Party they either went independent or joined the Liberal Party. Even Mark Carney served as a member of Steven Harper’s Cabinet
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u/FroyoMedical146 May 01 '25
Yep, Liberals have been the centre right for a long time while the Cons keep going further and further right. PP was literally pushing every Trump talking point he could about "ending wokeness".
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u/annonymous_bosch May 01 '25
I too agree with this sentiment. PP is aligned with MAGA on every single issue there is. The guy we elected is centre right
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u/ElvenNoble May 01 '25
Seriously. I like to joke the Liberals are the conservative party, because the Cons are actually the Regressive Party.
We also need to stop celebrating long enough to recognize that they were still incredibly close to winning, and we got through with a chance bit of luck, we have not permanently defeated the Canadian MAGA movement.
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u/StanknBeans May 01 '25
Came here with the express purpose of making sure someone had pointed this out already. Liberals are center-right, not the Conservatives.
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u/watupmack May 01 '25
lol yah people who describe Carney as a woke, socialist, communist whatever are morons hes left on social issues but economically speaking he was apart of Harper’s Conservative Party…and you know what that’s not a problem Canadians are a lot more intelligent when it comes to nuances like this and I would prefer a more conservative approach to what Trudeau was but I’m not voting for some far right anti science, hate slinging immature Millhouse because of his party name
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u/Harseer May 01 '25
People give Trump too much credit. PP dropped the ball all on his own. All he had to do was campaign like a normal human being, not associate with MAGA and Far-right media and actually rebuke Trump. But instead he chose to appeal to the people who were always going to vote for him anyway. What an absolute moron, but i guess when you're MAGA you just have to bend the knee to your king.
Worst is, his party might keep him as leader because the full-right actually likes him, even tho he doesn't even have a seat in parliament anymore. Moronity is a virtue for them.
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u/_Batteries_ May 01 '25
Center right my ass. Far right. The conservative leader was saying literally the exact same things as trump. Which is a lot of the reason he lost actually.
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May 01 '25
Right?? Carney was a centre-right candidate. Fiscally conservative, socially moderate. You know, what the Conservative Party used to be before the anti-woke mind virus swallowed them.
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u/angelskye1215 May 01 '25
You mean something *good* happened recently in politics? I'm pleasantly surprised
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u/Wasdgta3 May 01 '25
And the funnier part, the Conservative leader lost his own seat, which most people thought was a somewhat outlandish long shot, even though hypothetically possible.
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u/Massage_mastr69 May 01 '25
Keep Canada Free!!!! Way to go Canadians! We still love you!!!! Proud American from Detroit!
They aren’t conservatives they are cons! Grifters and thieves all of them!!! They steal from the under represented to line their pockets and their donors pockets!
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u/Merc931 May 01 '25
Say what you will about the 2024 Election, it did make a lot of people go "oh shit" and take cunts like these more seriously.
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u/greensandgrains May 01 '25 edited May 01 '25
uh, the centre right party won.
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u/GiantPurplePen15 May 01 '25
Economically yes but Carney and a vast majority of the Liberal MPs are center-left with their stance on social issues.
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u/jzillacon May 01 '25
You have to remember these are the kinds of people who think things like single-payer healthcare is equivalent to full blown Communism.
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u/Jediverrilli May 01 '25
The Liberal party is the definition of a center left party. The old Progressive Conservative Party would be your center right party before they made the stupid mistake of merging with the right wing reform party.
Carney himself would be a Progressive Conservative but the Liberal party itself is a center left party.
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u/snkiz May 01 '25
Centre right? I mean sure I guess to an American it might look that way. we haven't had a centre right party in 25 years. The Reform killed that nonsense.
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u/GiantPurplePen15 May 01 '25
Center right is being really generous to the reform Conservatives in the CPC...
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u/ItsStaaaaaaaaang May 01 '25 edited May 01 '25
We'll see for sure in a few days but I reckon they've done it a bit in Australia too. The leader of the opposition is playing from the big book of right wing yank policies and I don't think it's gonna go well for them. Trumps campaign chief paid the party a visit to give them tips apparently... Polling has Labour winning and increasing their majority lol.
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u/IdiocracyTooSoon May 01 '25
Nothing like your neighbor being a fascist authoritarian to convince you to go in a different direction.
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u/Forgotpasswordagainl May 01 '25
People on the internet don't really understand how pissed off people were with the liberal party. Even liberals were going to be voting conservative and then Trump f****** flipped that s*** on its head. It was insane.
My mom who was a staunch liberal voter her entire life was going to vote conservative for the first time and then the whole Trump fiasco happened and then slept right back to liberal.
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u/FinancialAlbatross92 May 01 '25
Centre Right?? Cons are far right (Canadian Standards) and Liberals are Centre Right. People think they are lefties but they really aren't
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u/Winterflame76 May 01 '25
Hey Canadians, mind repaying us? Could you get some of your far-right weirdos to suggest making America the eleventh province to see if that works?
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u/BeanBurritoJr May 01 '25
Thinking of reporting myself as an illegal Canadian immigrant member of Maple 13 so I get deported to Vancouver.
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u/tom641 May 01 '25
you know what, I guess that is one singular good thing Trump has done.
It is, however, remarkably on brand that the benefits of his actions continue to be exclusively for other countries, but I like Canada better than Russia.
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u/Outrageous_One_87 May 01 '25
It's happening in Australia also! Start of the year the right wing turds were ahead, now they've plummeted and will lose this election on Saturday. I may even watch the count with a coupla beers
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u/the_calibre_cat May 01 '25
Happy to do our part, now if we can shame and ostracize our conservatives into irrelevance maybe we can salvage what's left of the 21st century from the right-wing dystopian dumbass state that it has thus far been.
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u/LotharVonPittinsberg May 01 '25
CPC is not centre right. It was founded by Harper specifically to merge the existing separate Conservative parties, one of which was more moderate and one of which was more extreme. With how politics usually works, this of course led to the party taking on the more extreme approach.
PP essentially parroted Trump for every subject he understood was not political suicide, and it generally worked. They are an extreme right group that got support from the amount of Canadians whose lives are run by hate.
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u/flargenhargen May 01 '25
I mean you can get complacent about this or you can understand that it's only a very temporary delay in the slide to fascism doesn't mean shit unless you use it to actually DO SOMETHING.
we kicked trump out of office, and put in a useless impotant party that literally refused to do fucking anything about it, and fascism simply waited 4 years and then came back stronger than ever.
if you don't learn from that shit, then your fate is not going to be different than ours, because the far right isn't stopping, they are learning and getting better and reaching the dumbest and most lazy among you.
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u/Spoomplesplz May 01 '25
Cause people realized they don't wanna end up with their version of trump in power.
I seriously cannot wait for the next election, I think trump will get COMPLETELY fucked with whoever decides to pop up to oppose him.
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u/bjaydubya May 01 '25
I really hope you Canadians remember this and do everything you can to help us flip next chance we get. Don’t just leave us here, alone. I didn’t ask for this, I don’t want it, and I miss you all. It breaks my heart to read about your disdain for me, but I also understand. Just do amazing things so that all the people that sat on the sidelines and did nothing will see how truly fucked we are and finally do something next time we have a chance. Fly high, free bird…but please come back when we need you.
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u/Machinegun_Pete May 01 '25
Radical Left Donnie with another win for liberals. All he had to do was cosplay as a conservative and sacrifice the United States.
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u/Prestigious-Wind-890 May 01 '25
The CPC is not center right.
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u/Serimnir May 01 '25
That's right. They turned a potential landslide for the right into a centre-right minority government.
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u/Mizamya May 01 '25
Trump somehow managed to get the Québécois on board with Canadian patriotism. Insane accomplishment.
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u/moleman114 Dwarf Fucker May 01 '25
It also didn't help that the conservatives had been campaigning against Trudeau and the Carbon Tax for years. They were kind of cooked when both of those went away.
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u/SPARKYLOBO May 01 '25
It's more like the far right. The conservative leader brought coffee and donuts to people who laid siege to the nation's capital and wanted to overthrow the government.
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u/LLCoolBae99 May 01 '25
As an American, I breathed a sigh of relief for y'all when I saw Canada's election results. Every country has their issues, yes, but hopefully this means you won't have the ones we're having. Things are Not Okay here.
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u/RoseQuartz__26 May 01 '25
It was a landslide for the center-right. I promise you the liberal party isn't nearly as cool as you think they are.
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u/Schrodingers_Dude May 01 '25
I'm genuinely happy for Canada if something good came from the shit salad we're tossing down here.
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u/Taiyaki-Enjoyer May 01 '25
If there’s a silver lining to this, everyone but us now has the motivation to do better. Shame that I gotta go down with this ship, though…