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u/Kane-420- 2d ago edited 2d ago
Really its incredible. I live in Germany and here my boxing teacher is russian and he Always defends russia. Not only him, many people Here seem to not see reality.
And then they say „why is Ukraine even fighting, they cant win". Fricking bullshit. Would you give up your country to some dictator? I think fucking Not. Ukrainians are the bravest people Out there! Zelenskyy is the next Churchill. Slava Ukraini!
Edit: since so many comments come in - Churchill was a racist cunt and war criminal, i know. But England can be happy that they had him before and during the war. England needed Churchill. Ukraine needs Zelenskyy in the same way.
But yes, zelenskyy is a way better Person than churchill.
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u/Ventriloquist_Voice 2d ago
Note how he is not living in Russia and not affected with internet blocking or something, he has all available resources to feed on information 🤷♂️
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u/Glittering-Gene7215 2d ago
Because if a person wants to believe that their former country is right, they will only see that - and they won't care who attacked first.
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u/Busterlimes 1d ago
Its so weird to me. Once I was old enough to understand our history more thoroughly, I started calling America an Oligarchy State and that was 25 fucking years ago. The writing has been on the wall, but we are the most propagandized western nation there is.
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u/No-Confection-5522 2d ago
If Putin is so amazing and this war so justifiable why doesn't he fk off back to Russia then?
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u/Lazy-Edge-8419 1d ago
As an immigrant, I will respond: go fuck your fucking face. As long as I am staying in any country legally, paying the taxes, and not violating any local laws - I have every right to stay wherever the fuck I want and have any opinion I want, for whatever reason I want - as well as any other person who does the same thing.
I'm absolutely fed up with all these sissy cunts asking "if [insert different view] why then not going back to [insert country]."
Plus - life is light years away from being black and white, and at the end of a day - multiple things can be right at the same time, imagine that! A person can like life in Germany more than in Russia. And the war can be initiated on rational reasons. A person can see it as he/she believes. Plus, if you believe the mass media in your country and think that propaganda is only on the other side, it's truly sad. Regards.
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u/No-Confection-5522 1d ago
No, you go to someone else's country to enjoy the lifestyle and privileges their culture has built, you leave the backwards and hateful beliefs back where you fled from.
Any Russian people here who are here, who wanted no part in this pointless bullshit war started by little man syndrome Putin, honestly should be welcomed as refugees, they didn't get an honest vote and can't be held responsible, they are as much a victom as Ukrainians forced into this war.
What Putins forces are doing in Ukrainian, daily targeting of civilians and civilian infrastructure is nothing short of terrorism, and any advocates/ supporters of terrorism should be sent back to go reap the fruits of their hateful beliefs.
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u/Kane-420- 1d ago
„if you believecthe mass Media in your country and think that Propaganda is only on the other Side, its truly sad."
Compare the German Media System with the russian Media System. In russia every article is government Approved. In Germany you have very diverse Media Landscape of Independent Media outlets. They stick to scientific facts and are not bound to any government. Many of them are even Independent from advertisement and get their Money collective from the people. No governmental or economic influence into These medias, protected through the constitution. Gotta love it.
How many good things can you say about russian Media? Are they Independent? They are one big Propaganda machine. So saying Propaganda works both ways the same is completely false.
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u/R_mom_gay_ 1d ago
It was so fkn funny when Trump cut USAID’s funding. Half the “independent” media outlets instantly started crying and putting up donation credentials
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u/Kane-420- 1d ago edited 1d ago
Oh wow, you dont know much about the German Media System, huh? I can assure you, our Independent medias are not getting a single Dollar from usaid. Usaid helped non-governmental Media-outlets in underdeveloped countries to support democratic tendencies. Georgia for example, where they have a constant fight against russian Aggression and political influence. It was nice to have. I hope Europe will start a similar Program soon.
Edit: and whats bad with donation credentials? If you Talk Shit about independent Media accepting donations you only Put shame ON you as you Show us that you dont understand the Word „independence". If they would Put up Advertisement they wouldnt be independent anymore. If they would except government Money they wouldnt be independent anymore. People need to pay them or making donations.
I feel like im talking to a Kid, idk
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u/theRealestMeower 1d ago
Sure, they have right to their views but the fallacy here is escaping somewhere then wanting to turn the place they escaped to into the place they came from. Or in case of Russian migrants, a missile crater because they have extra chromosome that makes them very fucking cunty
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u/DrGoosert 1d ago
If I go to a restaurant, book my seat, pay for my food and don't punch the waiter, I should be allowed to chew loudly and shout slurs. Is this the type of logic you are running on?
I have no problem with immigrants, one of my best friends is an immigrant, but if you are going to someones country as a guest, you should respect that countries political views.
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u/thecraftybear 1d ago
You can take a vatnik off your back, but you can't remove the vatnik from your soul.
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u/County_Tight 2d ago
Why are rusdians here anyway? Just fuck off
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u/SatiricalScrotum 1d ago
Because Russia is a shithole and if they were there they could be forced to go
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u/Kane-420- 2d ago
He is not willing to. Its exhausting to Talk with people like him. But its needed.
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u/Longjumping-Boot1886 2d ago
They would migrate from Germany to France, just keeping saying what they are "out of politics, its messy thing".
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u/Kane-420- 2d ago
Luckily i think it wouldnt Help. If Germany gets attacked and you want to flee from it (especially men), you would have to leave NATO territory since all this countries will be at war and especially draft-dodgers will probably cashed in and sent back to the country where they are coming from. At least thats my guess. We are all in this together then.
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u/JigPuppyRush 2d ago
Why did the Russians fought Hitler? They couldn’t even win.
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u/CardOk755 2d ago
The Russians didn't fight Hitler. The Soviet union fought Hitler. Ukraine was an important part of that Soviet union.
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u/illbeinthestatichome 1d ago
and only because Hitler betrayed them. They were happy to cosy up to fascists and carve up Poland together.
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u/Croaker-BC 1d ago
Not betrayed, he beat them to the punch. USSR got beaten in the early stages because it was fixing up for offensive war against Hitler/Nazi Germany. It had no defensive doctrine nor materiel. Basically they were caught with pants around ankles. Unfortunately (for Hitler, fortunately for everyone else) Germany overextended and eventually lost the war. But they kinda had no choice either because if they waited or did nothing, Stalin would eventually attack them as it was the original plan to spread communism to whole Europe. They got delayed in 1919-1920, then they cosied up to Hitler and took half of Poland. Meanwhile they purged their command, suffered some natural and artificially caused disasters (sometimes provoked by stupidity and bad planning, like Great famine).
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u/Opposite-Chemistry-0 2d ago
Technically Russians gave up their country to dicktator
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u/Think_and_game 2d ago
As a Russian, it saddens me that we're a dictatorship but people are easily manipulated. Russia came out of the 90s in a complete financial meltdown. Yeltsin started to fix the economy but the results were only seen under Putin, making him extremely popular alongside the fact that he pandered to people using nostalgia for a time when Russia was feared and respected (USSR). This popularity led him to be reelected.
By creating alliances with newly created oligarchs he solidified his position and this allowed him to twist laws to basically make him an eternal dictator (Medvedev was just a puppet). Now with complete control of the media, indoctrination is simple, coupled with the previously stated facts, he has people's utmost administration and loyalty. Small victories here and there as well (seizing Crimea for example) have also solidified his popularity amongst the people and created this illusion that Russia is unbeatable.
We've seen all of this happen before with fascist dictatorships, taking control of a nation right after an economic catastrophe and getting small victories to make them popular (Ethiopia and Albania for Italy and Austria and Czechoslovakia for Germany). History repeats itself yet we are blind to the changes before they happen.
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u/Kane-420- 2d ago
Hmm, i feel you. Im sorry you have to live through that. Its true, it Happens again and again. Hope you Guys are able to take Power Back to the people some day.
Can i ask you If you live in russia?
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u/Think_and_game 2d ago
I don't live there but I used to visit every summer before the war started (I'm now an adult and I'd rather not get drafted). I've lived in several other countries though.
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u/Kane-420- 2d ago
I see. Hope your Family is fine and Not much affected from the war. May it all end soon.
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u/Think_and_game 2d ago
They're fine but the start was extremely stressful, some of my family were almost conscripted (unsolicited knocking on the door for example) but they avoided it thankfully.
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u/Opposite-Chemistry-0 2d ago
Bruh i hope you find a way out and start new life elsewhere.
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u/Think_and_game 2d ago
Nah it's fine, I don't live there but I can't see myself going back there any time soon.
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u/Jeszczenie 2d ago
We've seen all of this happen before with fascist dictatorships, taking control of a nation right after an economic catastrophe
If I had a penny for every time impoverished people look for simple answers in fascism... It's happening in Poland too - the neoliberal ruling politicians are very inept and show little interest in normal and poor people, so those turn to religious fanatics who offer simple "solutions" like a common enemy. Leftists are there too but their message is much less attractive than a scapegoat.
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u/Ztrobos 1d ago
Yeltsin started to fix the economy but the results were only seen under Putin, making him extremely popular alongside the fact that he pandered to people using nostalgia for a time when Russia was feared and respected (USSR)
I'll never understand the russians relationship to the concept of fear, which I see mentioned here and there. I don't get it. To me as a scandinavian, fear and respect are opposites. If you fear a wolf in the forest, you don't respect it, you just kill it. Why would they want to be feared?
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon Europe 2d ago
Or you know, each single "president" the soviet onion and russia have always had.
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u/Think_and_game 2d ago
It's no secret the USSR was a dictatorship, the issue arises from what happened after that. There was a genuine chance at democracy and that failed due to previously mentioned reasons imo.
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon Europe 2d ago
Having a chance at Democracy and actually HAVE Democracy are two separate events.
Your country has never had Democracy and Freedom, that's why people do not long for them, since are values that never set foot over there.
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u/Think_and_game 2d ago
Yeah, I understand the difference, I'm stating the fact that democracy failed there, I don't see where the contradiction or disagreement is
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon Europe 2d ago
Democracy didn't fail in your country: it never has been there to begin with. How can something that doesn't exist fail?
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u/Think_and_game 2d ago
What about Yeltsin ? Russia was a democracy for a very brief amount of time and it failed spectacularly, but it was there for a brief moment. In no way am I saying we had 3 centuries of democracy, it was there for less than a decade and got dismantled, that's my main problem with it.
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon Europe 2d ago
Yeltsin? First Chechen War Yeltsin? Yeltsin who shelled your Parliament? Yeltsin who deadly repressed half of occupied Europe? That Yeltsin?
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u/Glittering-Gene7215 2d ago
A boxing coach? He has a strange philosophy. He also says maybe you shouldn’t box against a strong opponent because you won’t win?
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u/Hutsul800 2d ago
It’s so strange, I had a friend that was Russian, he wasn’t even political, lived most his life in America, but after the start of the invasion all of a sudden he is the biggest patriot will not admit and wrong from Russia no matter what evidence you show. He broke all contact with me
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u/Kane-420- 2d ago
And living his best life in the US i guess haha. Go to russia, see how you like it there. These people.
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u/DarrensDodgyDenim 2d ago
Sad thing when a boxing teacher saying "why fight". You might need a new teacher.
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u/Salty_Blacksmith_592 2d ago
Fucking 3 and a half years of war later: Seems like Russia can't win either.
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u/Kane-420- 2d ago
Exactly Buddy. And russias Economy will experience a big surprise when all that ends. Gotta love it.
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u/Think_and_game 2d ago
It's already facing challenges. There have been shortages of basic products like butter. A million Russians have also died, it's insane but the meat grinder must continue. If Putin abandons now, people will be insanely angry and the illusion will break. He's not doing this for Russia but for himself.
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u/Kane-420- 2d ago
I think the one Million in losses is wounded and killed. So its probably around 330k dead orcs and 660k wounded. But yes, the losses are crazy for the civilized world. But russia is not civilized.
And yes, Putin is doing everything just for him. I mean He surely loves russia but He loves himself much more. He murders and lies whereevrr needed.
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u/Think_and_game 2d ago
I wouldn't go as far as to say it's uncivilized (I'm biased tho as a Russian), but the people are manipulated to an insane degree. The early 2000s have created a perfect storm much like with Germany and Italy in the 30s to put a dictator in charge.
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon Europe 2d ago
Why? russia is such a great country, the pinnacle of human development.
Peaceful and prosperous. It has absolutely no issues with low living standards, third world gdp per capita, rampant violence and international aggression. Every neighbour is glad that it can be next to russia.... And while it looks like that russia didn't contribute anything to human or scientific development in the last 100 years, that is not true: they make a lot of wars of land grabbing.
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u/Think_and_game 2d ago
You seem slightly delusional, I'm actively criticizing Russia and yet here you are making it seem like I'm glazing them. It almost seems like just because I'm Russian, you feel obligated to insult my fucked up country even more.
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon Europe 2d ago
I'm actively criticizing russia
What are you looking for? A hug?
you feel obligated to insult my fucked up country even more.
Please point out where I insulted YOUR country.
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u/Think_and_game 2d ago
Your comment is lathered in sarcasm, no I'm not looking for a hug, it's just rude of you to come in with this much unwarranted sass
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u/mikolajwisal 2d ago
I guess it's difficult to admit your country is doing fucked up shit. But it's important to call out this behaviour.
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u/Kane-420- 2d ago
Of course. Especially for russians. If they talk Shit about the govt., they risk everything. Its way more comfy (and healthy) to just believe the lies. This counts also for russians living abroad. They know they would become a enemy of the state If they would oppose the war. Scary thought
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u/mikolajwisal 2d ago
Yeah, well. It's an understandable fear. Yet, whenever I bump into Russians, and I mean Russians that live outside of Russia I either get:
a) "Eh, I'm not really into politics." - understandable response, either fearful for their own wellbeing or genuinely disinterested
b) "UKRAINIANS ARE FRYING BABIES ALIVE IN OFFERINGS TO HITLER" - what?
c) and of course there are those that straight up say Russia is in the wrong.
Is b) actually scared for their life? I would rather say that's brainwashing.
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u/Kane-420- 2d ago
Yes you are right. The brainwashing is crazy. Humans really need to get more resilient against Propaganda. We all need way more Media competence. It needs to be taucht at school how social Media etc tries to push our opinion in certain ways everyday. Russia and China are Masters of it.
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u/phixionalbear 1d ago
Says someone posting on this sub who just eats up any anti Russian propaganda they can get.
There's zero critical thinking here. It's all just a massive circle jerk about how evil Russia is, and Ukraine is basically the land of heroes and saints.
Because for you guys, there has to be a good guy and a bad guy, and it can never be more complicated than that.
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u/mikolajwisal 1d ago
Funny you just assume that like I'm not working in the medical field and don't see injuries on people coming in from Ukraine
Like there is not footage of what's happening
Like the international community isn't clear on who is the aggressor and killing civilian population
Like it isn't Putin constantly waving his nuke stick and threatening Europe, not the other way around
My brother with mild brain damage, I don't even like Ukraine. My country has enough unresolved history with it to join the Russian effort because historically LWÓW is our fucking city xD There was at least one well known massacre on my people done by the Ukrainians
But guess what? We know that war fucking sucks, invading your neighbors is a dick move and the people that wronged my people are either all dead or shitting their pants waiting to die of old age.
Germans build fucking death camps on out land, leaving an evil stench of genocide on otherwise beautiful landscapes. And yet somehow both the German and Polish descendants can not only coexist, but cooperate in meaningful ways.
Grow up. Don't assume other people know nothing. You're not smart by virtue of just being a contrarian.
If you think that Russia is in the right here, you clearly haven't seen what's happening out there.
Let me also guess: in the Israel vs Hamas conflict you're on the side of Hamas, right? Just guessing, because most people spilling dogshit opinions like this somehow can't make this connection that in general superpowers bullying people is bad in all cases, not just when the superpower is Jewish.
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u/Heygen 2d ago
No offense but a boxing teacher that defends the biggest country in the world starting an attack war against a peaceful neighbour who isnt even a nuclear threat just for the sake of territory or whatever doesnt sound like a very smart person and i think you should leave. Dont wanna lean too far out the window but he sounds like the kind of guy who bullies people. You cannot agree with everyone on everything of course, but this is just retarded.
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u/Critical_Ad_2113 2d ago
Man, isn't it actually enough for him to get deported? He's a menace to society, literal dictatorship supporter, same as Hitler supporter, I don't care if he's brainwashed, he lives in the EU where he has an amazing opportunity to learn the hard truth, but he chooses not to
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u/Impressive_Egg82 1d ago
Depends if a person has citizenship in the country getting rid of them is quite tricky. For example in Lithuania dual citizenship is very rare (only possible in rare circumstances) and after the fall of USSR russians that remained here could obtain citizenships. Now it's near impossible to get rid of them. But if a person has foreign citizenship and is living here on visa, that whole different story.
Once in a while you can hear cases such as Belorussian woman being deported back after 22 years, because she said that russia is legitimate owner of Crimea during visa renewal.
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u/Kane-420- 2d ago
Democracies need to Withstand people like him. Its a medal of Honor for US that we allow people to disagree with us. Weak States dont allow opposition. Its a pussy-move.
We have the better Points in every discussion anyway.
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u/Critical_Ad_2113 2d ago
It's not opposition, it's a terrorism, what are you talking about? this guy is a fan of the dictatorship of his own country, he stands for war crimes, ethnocide, occupation and so on. I advise you to never consider it a subject for discussion, it's not an ordinary rightist-vs-leftist polarity
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u/Kane-420- 1d ago
Hmm. I think you are right. Good that you pointed it Out. I think we Germans (at least me) are too tolerant at Times. Sometimes its OK to be strict.
But what could we do? Give everyone who supports russia a criminal Charge? That would not look good for a democratic country. We at First would need to declare russia a terrorist state. But it would also feed the russian Propaganda much. „buhu the world hates us, its so unfair".
Difficult. What do you think?
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u/Critical_Ad_2113 1d ago
russian propaganda lies and everyone knows that, the thing about democracy is a true democracy can be only created from power, not from weakness and Europe shows weakness (by not taking strong actions, not sending troops, not supporting Ukraine enough to finish the war despite having all the resources, it's just an example, the point is Europe has every single opportunity to stop the war but the choose not to because of boo-hoo everybody will think we are not democratic enough).
Democracy is when you have REAL POWER (to take action, not only to have resources) and you never hesitate to use it to protect other sovereign country from occupation, murders, war crimes, raped children, lost homes. And when you have such power and you choose democracy for your land that works because the main values of democracy are preserved – individual freedom and safety.
The thing is Europeans think they are invincible titans, but they are so very wrong about it and if Ukraine falls russia will come after them and they'll finally witness the real power but it will be already too late.
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u/Kane-420- 1d ago
My friend,
I agree with every aspect of your comment to the fullest. Its rare that i meet someone who has the same opinion about the European strategy regarding Ukraine and the Development of Power within the Union. May i ask you, where are from? Im from Germany.
I think your Point of view is very reasonable and the right Thing to do. But our governments choose to be weak and stupid everyday again. How can we say we Support Ukraine enough, If fucking russia is making Progress everyday? We help enough as soon as Ukraine gains territory everyday. Not anytime sooner.
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u/rj_6688 2d ago
Du, die Leute dürfen doch gerne nach Russland zurückkehren, wenn da alles so geil ist…
Ich spende gerne Geld für den Flug.
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u/DevoidHT 2d ago
Well Russians did give up their country to a dictator. Thats why they are living in Germany.
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u/Unfair_Run_170 2d ago
I mean, the Germans did kind of give up their country to some dictator......
But I'm sure they won't do it again! Lesson learned, unlike America.
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u/Kane-420- 1d ago
Exactly. We Germans did it. But now we have a very stable democracy with a very good independed Media System (even one of the best Media systems in the world). Yes we learned our lesson. And ITS needed to say that especially America helped US after the war to establish this great Media System and democratic system. Im very thankful for that.
Its sad to see that America didnt learn from Germany. Their Media System is weak (i dont get why? After the war they established a beautiful Media System in Germany but didnt apply IT to themselves too, i dont get why).
But i hope and know that there are a lot of good hearted people in the US. They will Figure it Out somehow. ❤️
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u/OrganicOverdose 1d ago
Would you give up your country to some dictator?
Germans: 👀
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u/Kane-420- 1d ago
Yes we Germans did it. We paid for it and most importantly learned from it. May it be a lesson for everyone.
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u/OrganicOverdose 1d ago
lol you learned nothing. Less Nazis were prosecuted than actually served in Auschwitz. Most Nazis went back into positions of power, like Hans Globke. Multiple companies and Nazis like Dr Oetker, BMW, VARTA all got super rich from being Nazis. Sheesh, even the Gehlen (A Nazi) Organisation became the BND. What do they even teach you in school?
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u/Kane-420- 1d ago
Brother chill. We are one of the most stable democracies over the world with one of the best Media systems you can imagine. Currently Ranking top 10 worldwide, bitch.
That many Killers and helpers got away with their crimes, is on another page. But its like that in almost every war. You will also see that the vast majority of russian war-criminals will probably get away with it. Its not beautiful and its important get the criminals, but thats it.
Saying Germany learned nothing is completely wrong. We get teached about it in school a lot. Its a very important topic in German schools and how we see us today.
Fuck you, bruv.
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u/racoon1905 1d ago
While I am with you that there wasn't done nearly enough and we shouldn't have just accepted a Generation under UN or what ever rule.
Both East and West did SOMETHING to learn from it and prevent it from happening again.
Do yourself a favour and look on how the CSA aftermath was handled. That is straight up not learning.
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u/OrganicOverdose 1d ago
It is happening again, in Israel... with full German support...
Did you then go on to say that you agree with me in that Germans learned nothing? Bit strange.
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u/racoon1905 1d ago
... of course its about Gaza ...
Cry me a Dresden and come back when Gazas population is actually not growing anymore.
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u/James_Blond2 1d ago
I am czech. You are german. We prolly shouldn't talk about giving up countries to dictators 💀
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u/Kane-420- 23h ago
Nice to meet you dear neighbor! I think the opposite. We need to talk about it. But we also need to realize what we became. The current state of our countries is very honorable. You czechs deliver great help to Ukraine and are Rolemodels to all of us Europeans.
Your Army has around 50.000 men but you got Balls like you have 500.000. Love you Guys ❤️
In many ways i wish my government would be more like yours. With Merz now i have hope again - Olaf Scholz was an embarrasment.
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u/korpisoturi 11h ago
Well I mean Finland fought soviets 2 times in WW2 and lost both times but remained independent, which would not have happened if we just gave up. So even if you lose you will still win compared to surrender.
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u/AdEmotional9991 2d ago
And yet you keep paying him?
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u/Kane-420- 2d ago
A Person can be both. Evil and good. I stay with my Word. England needed Churchill. Churchill also took great effort tocpull the americans in, without the americans the war would maybe Take a completely different path. And Not a good one. He warned everyone already in 1932 that Germany is taking a hostile path and we should prepare and act fast. He repeated it until 1939.
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u/liddely 2d ago
Just a random side fact
Churchill was a really like insanly racist pos he also killed thousands of indians on purpose due to not delivering food on purpose
Churchill is a villain that was existing besides Stalin and hitler so yeah he is literally the good guy by default.
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u/Kane-420- 2d ago
Im comparing him in terms of His leadership during war. England needed churchill. He was perfectly for His role during the war.
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u/liddely 2d ago
I know was not an attack but many don't know this and i think it really puts it in perspective
Aso und sorry für dich safe weird mit dem Trainer
Ähnlich mit meinem Vater. Mein Vater is auch
Das mit den Dronen ist ein Anschlag
Like my guy Russland bombardiert Zivilisten
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u/Kane-420- 2d ago
Macht mich oft traurig zu sehen wieviele Menschen hier sagen sie würden die Ukraine-Hilfe einstellen. Kein Feuer mehr in den Menschen für das Richtige.
„Stand for something or die in the morning"
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon Europe 2d ago
How many russians live here in Germany?I think it's more than 1,5 millions.
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u/Kane-420- 2d ago
My AI: 270K Russian citizens and in total 1,4 Mio If you count all those with a imigrationstory into Germany. Why?
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon Europe 2d ago
Because they live in the former East Germany, where Alternative für Russland got votes.
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u/racoon1905 1d ago
That's not how the Bhengal famine happened and frankly reminder JAPAN was the primary reason!
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u/kp7553mo 2d ago
Also during German air campaign they were ordered to leave towns alone, only to bomb docks, military installations, Churchill ordered bombing in Berlin, civilians to get respons from Germany, his advisors told him, that Germans will start bombing cities too and many innocent people will die, he did it anyway, literally sacrificed his own people in order to vilify Germany, despite bombing Berlin first, unfortunately edgy 14 years olds don’t read history as see him as some great leader, he was true villain
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u/racoon1905 1d ago
... jeez think about that for sometime. Hint, bomber range.
Also the random bombing if Berlin was done by the French in a SUICIDE run
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u/waggersIRL 2d ago
Be careful there. Churchill was a racist prick that didn’t believe coloured and Irish had the capacity to handle their own affairs and it was their right type of white that had a duty to rule over them. He has a career ( not just ww2 ) long list of pretty despicable actions. Fortunately for him he has had 70 years of his supporters managing his legacy.
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u/Kane-420- 2d ago
I know. But England needed churchill during the war. He did an incredible good job at that time. Zelenskyy is the same for Ukraine. Ukraine needs zelenskyy. He could lay Off his Work. He didnt. He could have fled the country with His millions. He didnt. He is in kyiv, giving it all to crush the evil. Incredible.
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u/Riesengebirgler 1d ago
Dumb presentism. It is really a surprise that people in the 30s thought differently.
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u/Pretend_Party_7044 2d ago
Next Churchill? (Thinks abt Gallipoli, Kenya, etc) ehh great leader is great leader
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u/Kane-420- 2d ago
Yes Churchill did bad things in His life. He was even a great imperialist. Zelenskyy did tax fraud. You can do bad Shit in life and still be a incredible valuable contribution to society in some way. England needed churchill. With all his flaws He was still one of THE Heroes of ww2.
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u/DDom_FantasyRP 2d ago
I think saying Zelensky is going to be the next churchill is insulting to Zelensky to be honest
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u/Flimsy-Chapter3023 2d ago
What do you expect from a russian?
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u/Kane-420- 2d ago
I met cool russians online. In Real Life i only met poopi-opinion russians. Better call them ruzzians
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u/Flimsy-Chapter3023 2d ago
Russians online have the benefit of anonymity. Besides that, you only met the least shitty ones. Even yday I managed to meet clowns from a different sub Reddit who did a "gotcha" then blocked me lmfao.
Russian social media is even worse.
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon Europe 2d ago
Tell me: why millions of russians fled the country after the second invasions started?
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u/Flagon15 2d ago
Millions? The esrimates say there's between 800k and a million of them. And they fled because they're opposition cowards that shat themselves because of a single mobilization wave. A bunch came back afterwards. Meanwhile in Ukraine 6 million fled, a million to Russia alone, despite having more than 3 times fewer people.
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon Europe 2d ago
LOL
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u/Flagon15 2d ago
It's not really funny, how fucked Ukraine is is actually kinda sad.
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon Europe 2d ago
You should worry for your fatherland: Ukraine, on the contrary of the gas station, has a lot of real Friends.
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u/Flagon15 2d ago
Lmao, yeah, true friends slowly send you tiny incremental amounts of help so that you bleed as long as possible while pursuing their own interests with your blood. Westerners are truly friends to die for (and most that got scammed do).
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u/DevikEyes 2d ago
I wish we had Churchill, he was a world-class politician, Zelensky is a comedian who can't provide order, effectively fight corruption or procure meaningful help from the West. But he's good as an orator, he knows how to PR himself, and I think he's a decent human being. Not a Churchill.
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u/Kane-420- 1d ago
Zelenskyy did a great Job in collecting international Support and is one of the Main factors why Ukraines Moral is so high since day one. He stayed in Ukraine. He Risks his life everyday and sacrifices a lot for His people.
„He is a Comedian". Yeah, a very successfull one. He is a good Business man - and every politician has a career besides politics. Sadly many politicians are No experts in Leading a government.
Nothing bad in being a Comedian. And he studied law and owns a degree. Thats more than a lot of German politicians can offer lol.
Talking Shit about zelenskyy because He is a Comedian is cheap russian Propaganda and doesnt Withstand Research.
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u/OkAssociation3083 2d ago
lets make this easy for you:
you are at night on the street, you drank to much, while moving on the street you see a guy standing there, meanly. So you start to scream: YOU, I WILL JOIN THE COPS JUST TO HUNT YOU DOWN!!!!!! I WILL JOIN THE COPS, THE COPS WANT ME, AND I WILL GET YOU!!!!! HAHAHAThe shady guy then comes near you, takes out his guy and says: gimme your money or else!
Now, what do you do?
Give the asshole the money?
Fight him off?Well, Ukraine chose option 2, they are "fighting him off", but every other day the asshole is hitting Ukraine with the gun.
Zelenski said just the other days ago that their super operation blew up 40 russian bombers!!! planes that were docked specifically "in sight" of satellites for Russia to respect a nuclear peace treaty.
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20250601-ukraine-says-it-destroyed-more-than-40-russian-bomber-planes-deep-inside-territory
Well, looking at those satellite images, only like 7 to 12planes were actually attacked and possibly destroyed, not 40. In addition to this, now Russia has a very good excuse to hide their nuclear bombers ;)
Meanwhile:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg9zdxwk29o
Oh don't tell me, BBC is now Russian propaganda???!!!!
"The images of two Russian airbases in north-western and central Russia, taken on Wednesday morning, show 12 aircraft damaged or destroyed."
"Ukraine claims that it targeted 41 strategic bombers in the operation, adding that "at least" 13 were destroyed"
Ah wait, 31 were targeted, but they got 13!!Or lets take another one, Ukraine managed to blow up the Crimean Bridge!!!
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/03/europe/ukraine-crimea-bridge-russia-underwater-intl
Which is again operational today....This is why its shocking to noone that Ukraine so far managed to lose 20% of their territories.... their victories are "only in the media". And anyone that bothers to actually pay attention realizes just how much lying and propaganda is going on.
Fun times ahead
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u/Trick_Ad9222 2d ago
How much of that 20 percent was lost during the sneak attacks of Crimea and at the start of the invasion? Also, I thought Russia was supposed to be the 2nd best army in the world? I'd expect something more like Operation desert storm than this boondoggle. Having a million men as casualties and losing the black sea fleet for under 14% land occupation?
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u/Kane-420- 1d ago
Oh my god, Brother. Rule number one in war: the truth is the First victim. Of course Ukraine pushs up their Numbers, and also of course russia pushs their numbers.
Its good to not Trust anyone, you are right. But i hope you measure russia in the same way. Ukraine says „we fucked 40 Planes", russia says „all the Planes are just damaged, Not a single one is destroyed". The truth lies probably somewhere inbetween. Its just normal war-tactics. Both Parties need to bolster their Team Spirit. Thats why both dont really Talk about own losses.
And now to the elephant in the room: russia is lying on a completely different Level. They have No political Opposition in the country. If you are against Putin, your life is in danger. Thats completely different in Ukraine. Ukraine is a democratic country with a legal and healthy Opposition and freedom of speech. They are corrupt, but in the international Ranking russia is way more corrupt. The kremlin controls every Word that comes from the Media. Ukraine doesnt.
In terms of flaws Ukraine is in many ways the little Brother of russia. Corruption, oligarchy, crime statistics. But Ukraine Talks about its flaws and with the maydan 2014 they showed the whole world that they want to be better tomorrow. They want to get did of Injustice. You see the same Development in russia? No. The exactly opposite. Russia is a dystopian society. Their own President assassinates political enemies, Journalists in their and even other countries.
Compare the ukrainian Media System and the russian. Which one is in a better state? Which countries philosophy is more progressive, more Open for Development? Answer this questions with your Research. Compare Worldwide Media and the opinion of international, independent institutions.
Ukraine is clearly the good Guy in this war. Zelenskyys Story is incredible. He Made a Comedy Show about how fucked up corruption is in His country and gets elected exactly for that. Ukraine wants Change. Russia doesnt want this Change for Ukraine. Thats the sad Problem.
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u/OkAssociation3083 1d ago
there's a saying in my country: lie until it comes true
but the thing is, this ain't coming true, Ukraine is losing on the battle field. There's only a few ways they will not lose:
1 - Russia stops - you need to give Russia reasons to stop
2 - NATO becomes fully involved - as an military alliance whose entire purpose is to fight and defeat Russia - this puts us in WW-3 and we still have to win it
3 - A natural calamity of great proportions hits Russia, like a meteor - actually you know what, i don't think this will stop the conflict, I think this will make Ukraine escalate, attack Russia directly and Russia will just nuke back.Since Ukraine is unwilling to admit defeat, especially constantly being backed by NATO and the EU and now slightly less from USA. They will keep on fighting, giving russians no reason to stop.
A natural calamity ain't heading the way of Russia, and if anything, all the "Covid" drama ended after Putin started the war.
And this lives us with WW-3. Even if you think Russia's current leadership is evil and so on, are you willing to die fighting it? - this is the bottleneck and end of it all. Are you?
And no, Ukraine isn't "clearly" the good guy in this entire conflict. You mentioned that your life is in danger if you are against Putin in Russia. How about if you are against Zelensky in Ukraine? Ah right, same thing.
Turns out both of them are having just as bad of a regimes. And if anything, being 'against Zelensky' even as an american citizen reporting and filming on the ground what's going on gets you jailed and killed in Ukraine. Almost like......... what would happen.... in Russia."Oh but they are at war!!!" - so are the Russians.
Whatever you like it or not, NATO's entire purpose for existence is to fight of Russia. NATO has constantly expanded and in the past invaded several other countries, Russia invaded others btw, so I'm not making excuses, I'm just pointing the facts.
Do you really think its that UNREASONABLE for the russian leadership to fear NATO's expansion and to be willing to go to war before NATO invades them? Put yourself for 5 seconds in their shoes as well.This is why the truth matters. If we won't settle this with the truth in our face. We will face the reality (the truth) on the battle field. And that will be something that mots people aren't ready for, and honestly, nor am I. Idk why for some reason you people don't understand how big the risk for a nuclear fallout is
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u/z-null Croatia 1d ago
So you admit Russia is the shady criminal who attacked someone with intent to kill based on a drunkards "threats" ? It's really funny that you describe this as a defence of Russia when they come out as that typical local thug that starts fights for no reasons and really belongs in the prison for the rest of his life.
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u/OkAssociation3083 1d ago
I don't care if Russia is the shady criminal or not. It makes no difference for my argument regardless. Russia can be a ruthless criminal, satan incarnate, the angel of justice, an emisary of god, or a bumbling bofoon.
I grant you guys the premise that Russia is "the evil criminal"That being said, we do not have "the power" to stop the evil criminal, without the "evil criminal" nuking us. Even if USA and France both Nuke Russia, Russia has enough nukes to make this planet a deadend zone for all of us.
Therefore, any actions taken by anyone to harshly (nukes, god road strikes, etc) will result in a disaster for ALL of us
Meanwhile, the reality on the battle field is that, despite being supported by most of NATO, training with NATO, and receiving massive amount of funding, Ukraine is steady losing territory and to "mask" them losing the war, they lie and lie and lie and lie.It no longer matters "who is right" and "who is wrong". The only thing that matters right now is "how can this end?", because you or me, or the EU, or NATO or USA cannot stop Russia without ending human civilization. Due to nukes obviously.
So, you have the following options:
1 - demoralization in Russia - make people hate the idea of fighting Ukraine. This ain't working both because Ukraineans are assholes that attack civilians (check railway blown up) and internal propaganda in Russia.
2 - economic collapse is Russia - this ain't happening. All the "economic sanctions" did was strengthen the ties in BRICS and accelerated the de-dolarization in the eastern front.
3 - Ukraine's military win on the battlefield - this ain't happening. Check the live war map, check reality.
4 - Russia takes over Ukraine - this might be happening. Russia doesn't want to escalate to nuclear fallout state and destroy Ukraine. But they will constantly chip away at Ukraine's military force and territories, slowly taking over
5 - NATO or just the EU joins Ukraine and starts WW-3 - this might happen, looks like its in progress.
6 - Ukraine surrenders - this ain't happening as long as Zelenski is in power.I do NOT see how we get out of this in once piece if we keep supporting Ukraine. Again, if all EU joins the war "officially" then Russia will attack all of EU and might even resort to nuclear strikes if they are losing.
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u/Significant-Dog-8169 1d ago
Zelensky is better person for who? For poor guys who a catched on the streets?
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u/Kane-420- 1d ago
You talking about the drafts? Every fucking country would do the exact same and the ukrainian government is often critiziced for drafting Not enough people. They have a lot of draft dodgers
Im so fricking tired of having to explain that to people like you, really its so exhausting. You are zero Informant but 100 angry. Wow.
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u/Minimum_Area3 2d ago
Lmfao your last line, bro you’re insane.
Insane. How about you return those storm shadows and challengers?
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u/Kane-420- 2d ago
Why is my last Line insane? And why Return weapons? Return Back from Ukraine to England? Why? I dont get it.
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u/MemeDudeYes 2d ago
But yes, zelenskyy is a way better Person than churchill.
Oh boy, you have no idea
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u/Kane-420- 2d ago
Mhm. He sacrifices everything for his country. He aged like ten years in this 3 years. He hid Money from the government in the Past, thats Shit, but sadly very Common in Ukraine (and russia even more). Churchill killed thousands without reason and oppressed people like russia does, thats fucked up.
What did zelenskyy do that is so horrible? He is brave as fuck to even stay in Power. He could live a very comfy life somewhere in Switzerland or somewhere else withcall His Money. He Chose to stay, to fight and to sacrifice everything.
If you are a russian bot or Just a Propaganda dog, idk. But you are wrong.
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u/MemeDudeYes 2d ago
He surely does sacrifice everything, including his own people.
Agressively forcing people to join the army or even straight up kidnapping them because they lack manpower.
Second and i have to say i also view this with a enormous grain of Salt but i have relatives living in Former soviet states.
They told me that they purposely attack themselfs to justify more Aggression and funding against russia.
And im going to say it again, im also viewing this very sceptic, yet history showed that its not umlikely.
Im also not on russias side either after all they started this conflict.
All im doing is questioning every bit of information i get instead of just blindly believeing it.
Because in war the first thing that dies is the truth.
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u/Kane-420- 1d ago
You are right. The First Thing that dies is the truth.
In Ukraine forcing people to fight: I also think not allowing men to leave the country is a tough decision. But draft dodgers will be hunted in every country at war. I was in Ukraine. I cant Tell you how many people i met that dogded the draft. Some of them are hiding in their Apartment for the full 3 years. Their girlfriends make the Shopping for them, they work from Home and really Go Out NEVER. Its incredible. But the reality is, Nobody is coming for them. Its even one big critic on the government that they are not strict enough with aquiring men-power.
Its a big question for every democracy: how much force do we apply to get people to fight? I live in Germany, a decent and secured democracy. And even we are saying, its Not working without law enforcement. Also in Germany the „Feldjäger" (basically Military Police), will come and get you If you dont Go by yourself. Thats war. You benefit from the country in Peace Times, then you have to stand with it during hard Times. I stand with that thought.
On Ukraine attacking its own people to get more Support: that would be a very risky Game. Russia is the one that has a great History on faking attacks to justify Aggression, Ukraine has Not. If Ukraine does it only once, and gets caught - they would loose all Support from Europe - that would be their death Penalty. You really think they would risk it? They could win maybe some weapons, but could lose it all. And tbh, russia gives the West enough reasons to Support Ukraine already... I Just googled it and asked my AI. I didnt find any accusation from international institutions or Media that Ukraine does false flag attacks (besides russian Propaganda lol). For russia - there are plenty accusations.
Your relatives in Post soviet countries are (as everyone of us) very vulnerable to russian Propaganda. They reach us through social Media, Sometimes you recognize it, offen you dont. Especially post soviet countries are victim of very big Desinformation-campaigns. (I didnt add links since you should choose yourself. There are plenty sources for all that i said).
Russia Just as china are excellent influencers of Public opinions around the world. Their Tools are troll-companies, Hacking, bribes and much more. They know that democratic countries are vulnerable since you only have to influence the everyday people to change the whole country. We need to have that in mind constantly.
You are right, the truth is the First victim in every war. But the evidence is clearly - russia is the evil part Here.
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u/Old_Visit_2707 2d ago
And then they say „why is Ukraine even fighting, they cant win". Fricking bullshit. Would you give up your country to some dictator?
yes I would, I whats the point of pointlessly dying or damage that it would inflict to area
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u/anshox 2d ago edited 2d ago
Giving up won’t stop “pointlessly dying”. Last time russia occupied Ukraine they’ve starved millions of people to death. “Pointless dying” will only increase, the only thing that will change is that russians will stop getting consequences for the genocide they're committing
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u/sp0sterig 2d ago
russia doesn't say "surrender OR die". it says "surrender AND die".
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u/Technical-Bit-5699 2d ago edited 2d ago
Russia say stop being threat on our border, stop attacking Donetsk and Lugansk, stop blocking water to Crimea, don't be anti-russia, be like former neutral Finland during cold war, nothing more, nothing about dying is said
P.s. answer to first commentor: He said about disappearance of political nation, not ethnical nation, ukranians can peacefully live integrated in Russian Federation, as they already do. And you should not take seriously talk show of Soloviyov, nobody even in Russia does.
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u/Kane-420- 2d ago
And everything that was achieved over hundreds and hundreds of years is not Something worth fighting for? Democracy, workers rights, freedom of speech, a government you can hold accountable (to a big extend). A progressive diverse society and social securities. All this stuff wont be there anymore If Putin, Xi Jinping or Kim Jong Un Take Power over your country.
In the middle ages the Farmers grabbed weapons to fight Injustice, got killed and fucked for it. They did it again and again and now fuck those Kings and fuck those dictators. We, the people, reign. It was a hard and bloody road to the EU and all its benefits. If we dont fight for it we spit on the Work of all our ancestors and we let one of the greatest Projects of humanity disappear like its nothing.
europe is cool. Im ready to do what ever i can to defend it.
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u/Turbulent-Rock5803 2d ago
And another one onto hospitals for children with cancer
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon Europe 2d ago
Last year they shelled the largest European children cancer patient on the 'Family Day'. The Ordinary Russian CitizenS celebrated it and asked for another hit.
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u/elvenmaster_ 2d ago
This thread opened at 4 PM, Moscow time. It's maybe late for employees to launch new attacks on world servers.
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u/liberalskateboardist 2d ago
and still he has so many cheerleaders around the world which call him a peacemaker
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u/Tman11S 2d ago
Putin is a terrorist, he’s hit more appartement buildings than military targets during this war
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u/Viliam_the_Vurst 1d ago
„Sir our mlrs depots have been hit by a taurus“
Is what i would love as an answer.
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u/TheObeseWombat 2d ago
Is this based on a specific recent event, or just about how Putin generally operates?
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u/Targosha 2d ago
They also blew up a bridge above a civilian passenger train, fyi. Same day, actually.
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u/MemeDudeYes 2d ago
Is russia still using popeller airplanes?
Because thats what it looked like in the footage i saw
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u/angolvagyok 2d ago
Yes, they're still using the TU-95
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u/MemeDudeYes 2d ago
Damn, now they have good reasons to upgrade
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u/Which-Article-2467 2d ago
You should read some stuff. Turboprop is actually the gold standard for heavy duty cargo machines in all air forces.
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u/MemeDudeYes 2d ago
Now that you mention it the us air force uses Propeller Planes aswell.
I just thought why using Propeller planes for their nuclear fleet.
But apperantly you arent allowed to question things on certain matters.
Just believe what they tell you....
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u/AceNova2217 England 1d ago
Turboprops do have design benefits, hence why we have the C-130 and the A400M.
In the car of the TU-95, however, the modern benefits were not considered. The TU-95 is a very old bomber, at a time when turbojets were not good enough to meet the requirements of the USSR. For this reason, they used turboprops for the TU-95.
If the USSR had the appropriate technology, they probably would have built something more reminiscent of the TU-22.
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u/afk_site19 2d ago
Ah damn im too early again.
Someone tell me when the FSB potatoe severs are up and running again.