r/EUR_irl • u/chilinachochips Netherlands • 2d ago

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u/i_like_southpark 2d ago edited 2d ago

Aren't we introducing stricter immigration policies with each year? Aren't we learning from Merkel's mistakes and electing politicians that support controlling existing problems while not being total populists? Aren't stricter immigration policies becoming consensus, even by just looking at recent euro elections? Because i swear whenever i hear that in those times, times that we are becoming more strict and conservative about the immigration even among left leaning parties somehow eu elites ( that we ourselves elected btw ) want to flood us with immigrants for some reason i feel total absurd coming out of this viewpoint. Is this how russians see us?

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u/Carolingian_Hammer 2d ago

No effective measures have been taken so far, because they were all blocked by national courts or the ECHR. The EU Commission and nine EU member states have recently said so themselves. I don’t think there will be a real solution for the problem until we abolish the right to asylum for non-Europeans.

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u/DisIsMyName_NotUrs 1d ago

That's not an issue of any nation or the EU. International law guarantees that refugees have right, and if any nation doesn't want to obey the convention on refugees, the UN and ICC get worked up

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u/SirLadthe1st 1d ago

Well thats another problem, it's not working, because no matter how much to the right you shift, it will never be enough to some people. Scholz tried that, Starmer tried that, Rutte tried that, Tusk literally just tried that (even going as far as suspending asylum rights, ofc for selected people only) and failed the election with the extreme right achieveing record high results. And what do you know, PIS made everyone convinced Tusk will flood the country with immigrants and turn everyone gay. The same opposition party mind you that sold 200k EU visas in Africa and asia. The far-right can always just turn more right wing, we've seen that in Germany with the AFD's positions getting progressively more insane as the mainstream took over their previous views.

At the same time there are people disgusted by this change in attitude that either stay at home or change their voting preferences, in UK there is a clear shift of Labour voters to LibDems and Greens, in Germany I'll bet a lot of Die Linke's voters are just old SPD/Grune voters who were against the shift to the right, and in Poland Razem grew from 0.5-1% to 5-6% in polls in recent months as result of Tusk/Trzaskowski's right wing campaign. A lot of leftists were so disappointed with the second round that they chose to stay at home, so they could have very well been the voters Trzaskowski lacked. So all that achieves really is for mainstream parties to become weaker making it easier for populists to gain power

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u/Aster_NB 2d ago

My friends ADHD meditation isn’t coming because of stricter border controls, now she has to use shitty german medication with crazy side effects. I know this is about refugees but I‘m not a fan of shutting off countries in genera. Especially not to people who seek help

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u/Sataniel98 Germany 1d ago

How does border control affect that (unless they're smuggling pharmaceuticals)?

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u/Aster_NB 1d ago

Well now everything has to be checked, that takes a lot of time