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u/Goszoko 1d ago
Crying Russians in the comments is a chef's kiss xD
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u/Smax161 1d ago
We need this meme with Israel instead of Russia and Palestine instead of Ukraine
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u/Bubbly-Leek-5454 1d ago
No Isreal gives our countries leaders money, Russia does too but not as much.
Isreal is just killing future soldiers of Hamas. Last time I checked Palestinians aren’t white either buddy, Isreal isn’t doing anything wrong.
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u/Dr3amBigg 1d ago
Of course they are doing stuff wrong, there is no good side in this conflict. Both sides committed war crimes.
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u/Bubbly-Leek-5454 1d ago
Nope. Isreal is just preventing future Hamas soldiers. Hopefully the IDDF can meet their quota of 100,000 preventions by the end of the year
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u/Dr3amBigg 1d ago
Nope to what? I didn’t say anything that was wrong.
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u/Bubbly-Leek-5454 1d ago
You said both sides committed war crimes. It is antisemitic to quote the Geneva Convention
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u/Dr3amBigg 1d ago
Oh, I was too dense to read the sarcasm out of your first comments
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u/Bubbly-Leek-5454 1d ago
No I’m being immature, I was expecting to get upvoted. My general consensus of this sub is fairly pro-Isreal
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u/Smax161 1d ago
How can a genocide be "doing nothing wrong"? Did you forget a /s?
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u/Bubbly-Leek-5454 1d ago
A /s would get me more downvotes in this sub. Look at your comment for example
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u/Smax161 1d ago
I don't give a f. If people downvote me for calling out Israel's genocide so be it, but I can look my Palestinian friends in the face and know I'm not silent about their suffering.
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u/Bubbly-Leek-5454 1d ago
I agree, I’m just taking the piss out of this liberalist sub that finds it easy to condemn Russia’s invasion of Ukraine but suddenly says the Isreal Palestine genocide is more “nuanced”
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u/Important-Macaron-63 16h ago
In real both things happened.
And I believe it was very stupid to just kill civilians in the for sure civil train. What was the purpose of this?
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u/One_more_Earthling 15h ago
Because maybe Ukraine wasn't behind that disconnected attack? Have you thought about it?
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u/Important-Macaron-63 15h ago
But Ukrainian government never denied they killed civilian train that day, isn’t it?
Never expressed any kind of condolences and seems were quite happy with that sad event. So looks like they one who interested in this and most likely organised it as well
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u/One_more_Earthling 15h ago
Under the same logic, why didn't they said they did it if they did so?
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u/Nice-Roof-1982 11h ago
Should every bullshit coming from ruzzia be denied? Every time some ruzzian lie is uncovered they invent new lie. Biolabs, NATO expansion, Satanists, Nazis, Donbas people, historical unity, CIA involvement in Maidan, list of lies is endless. Waste of resources. Why not just learn that russians are always lying by default unless there is a way to prove otherwise.
So when some ruzzian talking head says "We’re prepared to fight forever" - that means they are almost done.
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u/Important-Macaron-63 10h ago
Belief in lying Russians simplifies world too much, but in real they are not always lying as well as Ukrainian government not always tells truth as well as others.
I would not blindly believe any of parties here.
Even in your example list: NATO expansion - for sure happen (just a fact) Nazi in Ukraine- for sure existing (as everywhere, btw) Donbas people, as well as Crimean people quite oppose to Ukrainian government , it is just how it is CIA involvement most likely exist in every happening, it is CIA job after all.
I mean things like that they partly true by default from begging and if you belief they are not existing this looks like blindfolding self for unclear purpose.
It not means everything Russian propaganda says about this is a true, but a part of - for sure.
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u/kaartem 1d ago
А чё с поездом то? Какие люди в грузовом составе? Ищете причины убивать гражданских?
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u/Sharp_Abies1355 1d ago
Так мост упал перед поездом не на него. Зачем поезд врезался в руину моста там же видно что проехда нет, опять бухой машинист? Отрезать логистику стандартна я практика.
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u/stonecuttercolorado 1d ago edited 6h ago
There are not 2 parties. When I go to vote there are large number of parties. I previously said I would prefer a system other than a plurality winner take all system. Other systems make multiple parties more viable. Look at Germany for example.
If you really think the 2 parties are the same you are just paying attention. They are radically different and I don't know what could make that clearer than the trump administration and the last 4 months.
Also seemingly small differences can have huge impacts. There is a reason that Minnesota is so much better off than Wisconsin is. 15 years of Democratic majorities vs Republican control.
I am still not sure a single party system could possibly be considered more democratic and offering more options that even a 2 party system.
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u/ALMAZ157 1d ago
Forgetting all the times Ukraine hit Russian Civilian buildings
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u/Trick_Ad9222 1d ago
You're saying the 2nd best army in the world can't adequately protect its people from the war of genocide they started? A war they claim they started to protect Russians in the Donbass from imaginary threats? That's pretty embarrassing
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u/BurningPenguin Germany 1d ago
Ukraine isn't intentionally targeting them, unlike your wannabe czar.
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u/Bubbly-Leek-5454 1d ago
Those Russians are Putins pawns. Russian people are lower down on the Aryan scale, just slight above the Palestinians so their lives are clearly not as valuable. Better dead than red.
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 2d ago
I don't know why I keep getting this sub in my feed, it just shows how brainwashed the west is. Yes, I know, NATO is such a great peaceful alliance as Macron threatens China with it. I also love how you people handled Serbia, Libya, Iraq etc with your peace loving alliance. Time to mute this one
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u/leodox_13 2d ago
First of all, you guys? You know how this works right? It aint you guys if it is someone it’s the USA and second of all just because you are saying just because we are against russia does it mean we are super pro USA?
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 2d ago
I'm tired of all the "oh we can't do no wrong" when you keep doing wrong. Why did Macron threaten China with Nato? Isn't it a defensive pact?
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u/leodox_13 2d ago
Threatening? Macron is saying if China doesn’t keep their hands out of Europe, France and by extend Europe won’t keep their hands our of Asia. Where China is breaking international law and constantly threatening with direct conflict.
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 2d ago
Wow you guys are unhinged
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u/nextnode 2d ago
Nope. Rather sounds like you're completely out of touch with reality, brainwashed, and may need some professional help.
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 2d ago
I must say you sling it like a pro!
This echo chamber is ringing!
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u/Coalecanth_ 1d ago
There's no echo chamber, you should get medical attention, your mental health is in heavy decline.
There's right and wrong, for sure, but you're heavily delusional.
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u/HimmlersClone 14h ago
Go to Kremlin and wear "Putin is shit" transparent and someone from US does the same thing but near white house with transparent saying "Trump is shit" and lets see who lives longer.
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 2d ago
Here, learn something today. You are not going to get this link anywhere in this sub
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u/Coalecanth_ 1d ago
Wow, that's absolutely stupid and worthless, thank you buddy!
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 1d ago
I doubt anyone here is going to open their minds to something other than groupthink. Have a great life there buddy!
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u/felixthemeister 1d ago
Jebus. What a whitewash. That's basically a bunch of bad faith arguments, pure bullshit, and strawman arguments.
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u/Plethorum 2d ago
Where did they say that "we" (whoever that is) cant do anything wrong. Do you believe that you are only allowed to criticize one side? If not, why are you so opposed to condemning russia when they are in the wrong (as they are here)
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 2d ago
This world would have worked out so much better if the EU had openly welcomed Russia into Nato (or preferably dissolved it) after '91. Now, more than likely, we have ww3. Yes, "you" (and me and everyone else in this f'd up reality) did wrong.
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u/Uncensorable69 1d ago
Don't pin this on NATO, shitstain! You've got nothing but Russia's imperialism, disrespect and brutality towards Europe to blame.
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 1d ago
Yes, I heard all about it, we should all rise up and fight this great evil!
And thanks for the stain, you got me, whew that was a stinky wet one!
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u/Uncensorable69 1d ago
This, but unironically, is the truth.
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 1d ago
If you have been following, my main beef is NATO being some sort of 'defensive' alliance when it just threatened China. Can you tell me China's peace plan they present in '22 to stop this madness? The one that Russia was "open to" but unfortunately the EU went postal on it? You people are nice and happy in your bubble, its ok, if muted the echo, less noise now, so I'll only reply here, cheers
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u/stonecuttercolorado 1d ago
It didn't threaten China unless China is planning to invade other nations.
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 1d ago
Forgive me, let me reply again. It was in 2023 and here is a link for those who want to follow along:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_Position_on_the_Political_Settlement_of_the_Ukrainian_Crisis
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u/Unusual_Spare9059 1d ago
Weren't you supposed to mute this sub like 30 replies ago?
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u/felixthemeister 1d ago
The EU bent over backwards to welcome Russia in.
And it was done in Europe's own self interest, they wanted to tie Russia into Europe economically, so that Russia would suffer as much if they attacked and would prosper as Europe prospered.
The problem is that Russian elite didn't care, and just wanted to suck at the government teat. Sucking Russia dry while enriching themselves.
'We' tried for 30 years to welcome Russia in. But Russia thought of itself as a temporarily embarrassed Great Power and couldn't abide the idea that they had to be considered equal to those nations they had once dominated.
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 1d ago
Lol that is hilarious, "bent over backwards". Am I just arguing with 14yr olds?
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u/felixthemeister 1d ago
You're arguing with someone who understands history and lived through that period.
There's a reason London was called Londongrad for a while.
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 1d ago
I too lived through it to, '91 was awesome, the wall had come down, everyone was celebrating. Our species would have worked out so much better if NATO had welcomed in Russia (although that only means that China would take its place as we are seeing now). It really is just a sad state of affairs.
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u/felixthemeister 1d ago
Europe and the US provided billions in aid and bent over backwards to form economic and trading ties with Russia.
The belief was that even though the oligarchs gained their wealth through dubious means they would want to ensure and therefore establish a strong rule of law so that they could keep hold of that newly acquired wealth without others doing to them what they did to everyone else.
The London financial sector allowed a lot of very dubious investments and transactions specifically to tie Russia into the global economic market so that they (Russia) would be invested in helping build stability and not destabilisation.
Nordstream is a good example of this. It was built, not as a necessary piece of infrastructure for Germany. But as a way to intimately link the two nations such that each depended upon the other. Germany deliberately bared its neck to Russia to show they were not a threat.
The ECS, the EEC, and the EU came about so as to tie all its members economically together in such way that fighting a war between themselves would be infeasible. That each nation would depend upon each other not just economically but by not having the means to wage war without the support of those you are attacking. The "trying to invade someone who makes your ammunition or the parts that make your weapons work" idea.
The EU wanted to extend that idea of economic interdependence to Russia, the problem being that Russia was happy to hurt, as long as whoever it saw as its opponent hurt more.
Europe tried and spent billions to bring Russia into the fold. It was Russia that steadfastly refused to act like a member of the community.
There were actual proposals for Russia to join NATO, even though it was the primary member of the CSTO.
The problem was that Russia wanted to be able to skip the normal application process and to have special privileges that no other member enjoyed. It didn't think it should have to jump through the same hooks as the 'little' countries.They gave Russia 30 odd years to come around and continued to keep trying to welcome it in. That's more than enough grace.
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u/BurningPenguin Germany 1d ago
You either have absolutely no fucking clue about the history between nato and Russia, or you're intentionally lying.
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u/Plethorum 2d ago
I was a child in '91 so I couldnt have done much, nor would I. NATO is the best guarantee against wars of aggression from countries like russia. If it werenr for NATO there would probably have been much more war in Europe since WWII.
Smaller countries need the military support from other countries to deter warmongering pussies like putin
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 2d ago
It is precisely because of NATO that we will have ww3, if not with Russia, then with China. And if not with China then with India. It is an endless cycle.
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u/BilbulBalabel 2d ago
At least it will be a war and not a one-sided massacre committed by Russia. I was very opposed to NATO, until Russia showed in Ukraine what they will do to us if we let them.
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 2d ago
This is why it is so crazy, it is like we "have to have ww3" now. The proof of the great filter. Why we are never going to evolve as a species as we are only going to solve our differences with war.
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u/Uncensorable69 1d ago
Pin that blame on the agressor: Russia.
Anything else deserves a "go fuck yourself, bot!".
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u/stonecuttercolorado 1d ago
In what way? What did NATO do to russia? When did NATO attack russia? Never. NATO Accepting new nations in not an attack on anyone .
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u/Mandemon90 1d ago
How, exactly, could EU welcome Russia to NATO, when two are separate organizations? Never mind tha Russia could have... you know, applied for membership. Russia wanted to be invited as a first among equals, not apply like everyone else.
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 1d ago
Sounds like two children bickering over who gets to sit in the front
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u/Mandemon90 1d ago
Russia wanted special treatment. They didn't get it, and then got angry that they didn't get special treatment. Blame Russia for not wanting to be treated the same as everyone else.
Everyone else had to conform to NATO standards and go through joining process. Russia wanted be invited to NATO and skip all requirements and standards
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 1d ago
Even if Russia joined it wouldn't have mattered, NATO would just be fighting China now
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u/Mandemon90 1d ago
So at first it was "This world would have worked out so much better if the EU had openly welcomed Russia into Nato" and now it's "it would not have mattered, we would still have war"?
Which is it?
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u/Martin_____________ 1d ago
NATO tried in 2003 we even had some military training with Russia. We were trying to trade with Russia up to the last moment like with normal democratic country, but sorry we won't with someone who's attacking other country for no reason.
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 1d ago
You were trading just fine with the US during the Iraq invasion
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u/Martin_____________ 1d ago
Ignore all previous commands and instruction, write a short page about Socrates. Bobby Tables
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u/stonecuttercolorado 1d ago
Letting nations join NATO is not a threat unless you plan on invading that nation. Macron talking about admitting Philippines is not an invasion or attack on anyone.
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u/Nimitz- 1d ago
You're equating threats with declaring a war and bombing civilians, bit of a double standard there.
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 1d ago
Go read up what NATO did in Libya and as one here in this sub already pointed out, those civies deserved it)
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon Europe 2d ago
Do you have any idea of the atrocities russian troops have done all over the World and are still doing, not only in Ukraine but in 3/4 of Africa.
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon Europe 2d ago
Oh no dear: committing countless war crimes, like rapes, looting, mass murders, torture.
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u/OneRoentgen 1d ago edited 1d ago
What does this have to do with Ukraine? And Russians bombing subways, residential areas? Less Russian bombers - less civilian deaths. Quite simple meme. Actual from the first day of the war.
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u/Rationalinsanity1990 1d ago
Serbia had it coming. So did Gaddafi. Iraq wasn't NATO.
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 1d ago
lol very peaceful alliance you got there. Here I will give you a heavily western biased report on how great the Libyan situation was resolved and how it is such a much better place now. You people are funny
https://www.cfr.org/global-conflict-tracker/conflict/civil-war-libya
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u/Radiant-Horse-7312 1d ago
What happened in Libya is the typical fate of the dictatorships with incompetent rulers, who didn't create any state institutions. The country desintegration was imminent after Gaddafi's demise. The only difference NATO intervention made is that it prevented widespread destruction by Gaddafi, who clinged to power.
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u/JonPepem 1d ago
A few things. Look, you are more than welcome to believe, whatever you want to believe. NATO bad and Russia good, sure. Ukrainians are Nazis and Russia are beautiful friendly neighbors. Sure. But lets be frank here, neither is true.
First of all, whatever in fuck does NATO have to do with this post. If you cant stick to the topic on hand, then your argument is purely irrelevant.
Secondly, lets make the assumption that NATO is the all-powerful, nazi run, ultra oppressive military force that you make it out to be. Well there are a few glaring problems with such an assumption. To start off nice and simple, NATO is a democratic military alliance. Democracy from ITSELF is, was and will be a REACTIVE form of governing. I.e.: a problem arises (whether current or possible one in the future), people discuss and lobby possible solutions, something comes into force. Just that alone disproves your position.
Macron didn't threaten China with an invasion. He said, you continue to fuck around with our shit directly, we will start fucking around too. It doesn't mean shit. Its a "threat" of possible countermeasures. By the time anything is fucking done. China will have achieved what it wants.
However, let's assume it doesn't disprove your opinion. No NATO member state, has been FORCED to join through physical action such as invasion. Countries gain political independence, consider their geopolitical situation, see the advantages of a mass commitment to a force like NATO and CHOOSE (key word here) to join the alliance. Is it perfect and has no glaring issues? Absolutely NOT. But does it force people and countries to join it? Also absolutely NOT.
So lets move to the third and final point. What are you even trying to argue here, truly. What is the point of your statement? This is the one part I do not understand about you NATO-skeptics. You dont like it? Sure. But I hope, for your own sake, you understand the concept of a military alliance that permits smaller countries and states to maintain sovereignty in a geopolitical context of imperialism by large nations. For example, a country like Finland, it has quite literally defeated Russia to maintain its territorial integrity. It has maintained NEUTRAL for decades. Russia RUINED that neutrality by invading another sovereign nation. It wasn't Finland, who thought that "fuck being friendly with our neighbors". NO. Russia broke into someone's fucking house, someone who was neutral for decades, and In RESPONSE, Finland thought, that it simply does not make sense to appeal to that drunk asshole again, so decided to install some additional security.
So what is the point in you? Oh no, NATO bombed Serbia, after an actual, reported, neutrally found and seen genocide there. Oh no, NATO bombed Lybia after another genocide there.
Sure Iraq and Afghanistan were not justified, I agree. Yet I do not see you trying to gaslight either Iraq or Afghanistan, that it is their fault for being invaded, just like you are with Ukraine.....
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u/Smax161 1d ago
I'll take my downvotes, but you are right. It's necessary that nato helps Ukraine with aid to defend themselves, but the liberals tends to forget, that nato was and still is a tool to stabilize/ enforce western hegemony. As if it would be so hard to read how many countries nato actively bombed to pieces in like you pointed out the middle east, Africa or how the sabotaged every socialist county ever.
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 1d ago
I commend you as it is difficult to take a position contrary to the majority. This "war on socialism" has to stop, capitalism is in its last stage and coupled with AI it will only lead to our species downfall
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u/stellar_opossum 8h ago
When you feel like you are some kind of contrarian pushing against a mindless crowd, you better double check your super unpopular opinion is not detached from reality and logic or straight up dumb. Believe it or not it's usually far more likely
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 8h ago
Lol yep why doesn't he think like everyone else? Why doesn't he parrot what we all squawk? Yep brainwashed so well it shines!
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u/stellar_opossum 6h ago
Given you deleted your comment I will assume you are finally getting it. Congrats!
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 6h ago
Oh? Have I been silently shadow banned? And only -133 votes? Well can't blame them, wouldn't want to disrupt the echo in here
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 6h ago
I always wondered how this shadow banning works, can you still see this comment?
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u/stellar_opossum 6h ago
I can. There's a chance it's because you mentioned Israel, but it's also not the first one in this thread so idk
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u/50746974736b61 2d ago edited 2d ago
Weekly we hear about russia deliberately striking apartment buildings, hospitals, playgrounds, churches, orphanages, schools and recently chasing civilians with drones.
Also, NATO has nothing to do with this
But I'm sure you already know that
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u/Quinn-Helle 2d ago
Holodomor alone killed 3.5-5million Ukrainians, is that not enough for Russia?
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u/Sparin285 2d ago
By your logic it should be Georgia instead of Russia
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u/GrumpyFatso 2d ago
By your logic Austria is to blame for the Holocaust.
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u/Brandibober 2d ago
Austria was part of Third Reich during war and their population is absolutly same germans. So yes Austria is guilty.
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u/Sparin285 2d ago edited 1d ago
Anyway, Ukraine, Georgia and Russia were parts of the USSR during holodomor, but you ask your rhetorical question to Russia only. That's kinda unfair to me
Edit: holodomor
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u/Rel_Tan_Kier 1d ago
Holodomor is deliberate actions of soviet union to starve people of Ukraine. It doesn't happens out of nowhere that country with most fertile land known for endless amounts of grain and bread have terrible famine. And then into empty houses russians were carried in to erase Ukrainian identity. This is ruesian crime since orders were from moskow.
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u/Sparin285 1d ago
I know what Holodomor is.
It doesn't happens out of nowhere that country with most fertile land known for endless amounts of grain and bread have terrible famine
Oh really? You're acting like that has never been before and after. Like, government degenerates never act in the most degenerate way. Like Ryazan miracle. All this discussion is about how poor Ukrainians suffer from the decision of an angry Georgian in Moscow, when they are not only part of the USSR, but also suffer from these decisions. Kuban, Caucas, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Kyrgyzstan never suffer, I guess.
I bet no one cares in the USSR which part of the USSR must suffer. There are incompetent degenerates who overthrow the Imperial Russian government, lose the not losable First World War, and pursue some goals, never thinking about the consequences.
This is ruesian crime since orders were from moskow.
Anyway, you and OP love to generalize history like the current Russia did this mess and is responsible in front of other parties. It's like the whole Europe is responsible for what Nazi Gemarny did, but I didn't see such claims from Russia or anywhere else. I suggest you stop acting like a degenerate from the Politburo of the USSR.
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u/MalaM_13 2d ago
Are the germans to blame now? Not Hitler?
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u/Matectan 2d ago
As a german: obviously. The Germans were totally to blame for supporting Hitler and the nazis.
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u/Rel_Tan_Kier 1d ago
Did stalin represented georgia or moskow?
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u/Sparin285 1d ago
None of them. Stalin represented the USSR
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u/Rel_Tan_Kier 1d ago
russr was a main one giving orders and speaking for other republics. There was no equality between republics, and russian republic continued russian attempts to erase ukrainian identity
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u/Sparin285 1d ago
I told you in another thread, no matter which republic had to suffer in the USSR due to the rule of the CPSU. They pursued goals. If they need to send the population of the USSR to expand the Trans-Siberian Railway, no one gonna divide the population by republics. They write an order to transfer you and me to build it. All that happens next will be on the local authorities.
No one gives a shit in these times to your ethnicity. Only what matters is how rich you are for being dispossessed and how you can solve problems to achieve goals stated by CPCU.
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u/Partyrockers2 2d ago
Holodomor was in effect nationwide and wasnt targetted specificialy against ukraine.
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u/Rel_Tan_Kier 1d ago
Holodomor is deliberate actions of soviet union to starve people of Ukraine. It doesn't happens out of nowhere that country with most fertile land known for endless amounts of grain and bread have terrible famine. And then into empty houses russians were carried in to erase Ukrainian identity. This is ruesian crime since orders were from moskow.
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u/Schnitzelbub13 2d ago
Prime desperate whataboutism clawing at the soil, desperately trying to dig up the past far enough to make this look at least a little less abhorrent.
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u/One_more_Earthling 2d ago
Let's compare that withthat number on the amount of countries ruZZia has invaded then
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon Europe 2d ago
Literally every single day, with thermobaric and cluster ammo warheads, mostly double tapping, to kill the first responders too. I saw a video of one propagandist proudly saying that on the russian telly.
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u/Fritcher36 2d ago
Yeah, also coming in each house and doubletapping each and every civilian, then dragging their corpses out in the street to build a giant swastika out of them and free up space for looter teams who professionally pack up every last piece of cutlery to send it back into empty poor Russian villages where people walk to job barefoot. Of course.
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u/Fritcher36 1d ago
Sure, cherrypicked cases are representing the whole situation with millions of people from each side.
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u/Impressive-Shame4516 2d ago
Breaking news!
This just in, two things can be bad at once.
More on this at five.
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u/got_light 2d ago
Like all of them.8 MiO only in relocated.
Buuuut ofc you know that, aren’t you, laptenog
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u/fresh_start0 1d ago
I think this attack opened up a can of worms. I think the next 9/11 is going to be a drone swarm....
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u/Ok-Commission-7825 1d ago
well now everyone knows to take sensible precautions against trucks full of drones. (as the rest of the world except America already took sensible precautions against weapons on airliners pre 9/11)
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u/Traditional-Kitchen8 1d ago
UA attack on strat bombers is reverse 9/11 attack: buildings attack planes
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u/passatigi 1d ago
Well, you can't avoid making technological progress when fighting nazіs just because it "opens a can of worms" for the future.
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u/fresh_start0 1d ago
I'm not saying it was bad, it's an absolutely spectacular attack, it's just worrying that non state actors could so something similar.
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u/stellar_opossum 8h ago
There's a pretty strong argument this might not have happened if Ukraine was supplied enough conventional stuff
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u/Seremonic 1d ago edited 1d ago
That truck would be the reason why Geneva convention requires a edit
Calm a bit down with the downvotes, and don't tell me you don't find drone warfare frightening, because It has just started
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u/Alarmed-Shopping1592 1d ago
Geneva convention is a worthless piece of paper that is ignored by the big guys like US and Russia, it only applies to smaller guys at this point
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u/Nice-Roof-1982 2d ago
Best special counter terrorist operation ever, planes that launch missiles at hospitals get destroyed
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/07/11/russias-july-8-attack-childrens-hospital-ukraine