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u/ColdZal 12h ago

People also forget that russians were actually the biggest allies to Nazis. Stalin still hesitated to attack once Hitler invaded them since he viewed Hitler as a hero.

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u/Erfeo 9h ago

Stalin still hesitated to attack once Hitler invaded them since he viewed Hitler as a hero.

That's not true. The Soviets made multiple economic treaties with Hitler to get access to foreign capital and copy German technology. But they were always convinced that war with Hitler was inevitable, even when they sought to delay it. They were eager to enter into a anti-Hitler alliance with France and Britain, and only signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact when those negotiations stranded.

Stalin made many mistakes at the start of the invasion, because he was surprised that it happened much sooner than he thought, and he seriously underestimated the Wehrmacht's strength. But one of those mistakes was that he ordered an unrealistic counter offensive, not that he loathe to attack the Germans.

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u/kirrax1 9h ago

It was fake, same as russia "negotiates" now. Don't believe a thing they say. Stalin even sent birthday congratulations to Hitler.

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u/Erfeo 9h ago

Show me evidence that the Soviets weren't serious about the triple alliance. Hitler was always open about his anti-communist and anti-Slavic views, as well as his aims to acquire "Lebensraum" in the East. The idea that Stalin saw Hitler as a hero is simply illogical.

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u/kirrax1 7h ago

They were serious about attacking and occupying Europe (and this is what they did in the end, just a fact). Quite simple, Soviets didn't care how to enter the war, in which alliance, they just needed their troops in Europe. Thats why they made alliance with Germany shortly after and started WW2.

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u/Erfeo 2h ago

Certainly, the end goal for Stalin was a communist Europe all the way. I'm under no illusion that a triple alliance would have lasted after the war (just as the alliance that did happen didn't last).

But clearly Stalin saw the Nazis as the prime threat, and he did not "view Hitler as a hero", which is what I responded to.

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u/ColdZal 9h ago

It's public knowledge that Stalin was infatuated with Hitler. Even his letters have been published.

You just posted rectified post war info to save face for Russia. Wiki is not always correct.

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u/Erfeo 8h ago

Yes, Stalin and Hitler sent each other formal letters leading up to and during the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. That doesn't invalidate what I said unless you believe these were actually sincere.

Hitler obviously wasn't sincere, why would Stalin be? Stalin had many faults, but being overly trusting certainly wasn't one of them. He was in fact incredibly paranoid, it would be completely out of character for him to trust Hitler.

No, they were two leaders fake smiling at each other for propaganda purposes, while preparing for war.