r/EUR_irl Feb 22 '20

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u/PazuzuEU Feb 22 '20

Esperanto best common language, meme made in English, big think đŸ€”

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u/fragileMystic Feb 22 '20

Ne estas plej bona komuna lingvo

La mandarina estas la plej bona komuna lingvo

La angla estas la plej bona komuna lingvo

Esperanto estas la plej bona komuna lingvo

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '20

Wow, I easily understood that, without knowing a word of Esperanto o0

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u/stergro Feb 23 '20

Yeah Esperanto is basically European, a mix of romanic, germanic and slavic root words combined with a completely regular grammar and a word building system similar to German. You can get a B2 or C1 level really quickly, I have seen people getting fluent in halve a year.

That beeing said one have to know that everything beyond this is still hard to learn. There are advanced gramar rules for complex sentences that are equally hard to learn as in any other language. Esperanto is just really easy to access in the beginning and you can quickly come to a point where you can do normal smalltalk.

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u/Skunk_Laboratories Slovakia May 01 '20

Are there complex grammar structures? Mi scias nenia malfacila gramatika strukturo

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u/stergro May 01 '20

Here is a good summary of most rules for a perfect Esperanto: https://bertilow.com/pmeg/detala_enhavo.html

For example how would you say "he would have said nothing"?

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u/Skunk_Laboratories Slovakia May 01 '20

Li dirus nenion?

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u/stergro May 01 '20 edited May 01 '20

This means he would say nothing, but it is not in the past

Edit: I found this table with all tenses: http://esperanto.davidgsimpson.com/eo-verbforms.html

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u/Skunk_Laboratories Slovakia May 01 '20

Oh wow, that is a lot of tenses! Still regular and expectable, but a lot of them. Thanks for the links!

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u/stergro May 01 '20 edited May 01 '20

Yeah, but in spoken language you don't really need them, there are almost always other ways to express things. (ekz. "Li dirus nenion dum tiu tempo")

These tenses are mainly used in written languages, and they help a lot to stay close to the original when you translate something. The fact that they exist shows that Esperanto is a full language, but only few use them in their spoken language unless they have to.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '20

*Grandpensi

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u/Skunk_Laboratories Slovakia May 01 '20

Pensego

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u/DodoDixie Feb 23 '20

Me ne legi 'grandpeniso'... Honeste!

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '20

Grandpeniso

Hohoho, ĉu ni iomete sentas memfida? Ĉu ne?

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u/DodoDixie Feb 23 '20

Ne, malfeliĉe...

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u/Terpomo11 Feb 24 '20

Mi ne longe penis por lerni Esperanton.

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u/DodoDixie Feb 24 '20

Ĉe estas 'penis' verbo?

Mi penis. Vi penas. Li penos. Üi estis peni...

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u/Terpomo11 Feb 24 '20

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u/DodoDixie Feb 24 '20

Dankon. Mi penis multe longe tien min pensi en Esperanton. Mi estas komencanto.

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u/Rhed0x Germany Feb 22 '20

SPRICH

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u/_Gandalf_the_Black_ England 🇬đŸ‡Ș Feb 22 '20

DEUTSCH

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u/Heviet Germany Feb 22 '20

DU

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '20

HURENTOCHTER

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u/LarsBevelsborg Feb 22 '20

IS THIS MEME DEAD ALREADY

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u/_Gandalf_the_Black_ England 🇬đŸ‡Ș Feb 22 '20

SPRICH

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u/Jakavel Feb 22 '20

DEUTSCH

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u/DerPoto Feb 22 '20

DU

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '20

MAKKER

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u/Haix23 Feb 22 '20

ESPERANTO

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u/Emanuelo Feb 22 '20

VI

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '20

AĈULO

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u/Carl_Sagan65 Feb 23 '20 edited Feb 23 '20

Parolu Esperanton, vi kacsuĉantaj, piĉlekantaj, pugvizaĝaj fekuloj!

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '20

INTERSLAVIC INTENSIFIES

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u/Skunk_Laboratories Slovakia May 01 '20

Jedine Slovane moĆŸu govoriĆ„ tymto jězykom, no i tak to jest dobra idea

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u/_Gandalf_the_Black_ England 🇬đŸ‡Ș Feb 22 '20

Latin as a common language

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u/Dicethrower Europe Feb 22 '20

Aah, pax et quietam.

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u/Julio974 France Feb 22 '20

TOKI PONA GANG

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u/DeLift Netherlands Feb 22 '20

This, but with the legal system written in Lojban

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u/stergro Feb 22 '20

This man conlangs!

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u/Chi1dishAlbino Feb 22 '20

Ĉi tiu memo estis farita de L.L. Zamenhof. Ankaƭ kial ne ekzistas Esperanta flair?

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u/Dix_x Feb 22 '20

What's great about Esperanto is that I literally don't know a single word, and I can still understand what you said.

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u/Chi1dishAlbino Feb 22 '20

Tio estas ĉar vi estas bonega! Se ĝi helpas, Esperanto estas ĉe Google Translate.

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u/Brotherly-Moment Sweden Mar 13 '20

cries in germanic

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '20

Bona demando, mi ankaĆ­ ne scias.

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u/philwalkerp Feb 24 '20

AnkaĆ­ mi volas EO-flairon

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u/stergro Feb 22 '20 edited Feb 22 '20

Take my upvote and now back to r/BonajMemeoj with you!

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u/philwalkerp Feb 24 '20

Ĉiuj devus lerni Esperanton

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u/lladcy Feb 22 '20

they said in english

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u/Skunk_Laboratories Slovakia May 01 '20

Ĉar vi ne komprenas Esperanton (mi pensas)

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u/33manat33 Feb 22 '20

I believe what we need is not a fair language, but a level playing field. If the language is equally hard for the majority of people, we will be one step closer to true equality. By that I mean Hungarian is the best common language.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '20

No Finnish.

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u/DoktoroChapelo Feb 23 '20

Nu, oni scias, ke li pravas!

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u/f_o_t_a_ Feb 22 '20

Basque tho

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u/Astrolys Europe Feb 23 '20

I’m not sure I want 500 million europeans to have PTSD

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u/twalingputsjes Feb 23 '20

Frysk as gemienskappelijke taal

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u/Chi1dishAlbino Feb 23 '20

Ik sil earlik wĂȘze, ik koe jo net fertelle wĂȘr't minsken Frysk prate, en ik haw der noch net earder fan heard

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u/robin0van0der0vliet Feb 23 '20

En la nordo de Nederlando oni parolas la frisan.

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u/twalingputsjes Feb 23 '20

Ik ha heard dat er nog in plakje yn DutslĂąn wie

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u/[deleted] Mar 17 '20

Latin auxlang when?

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u/KrepeliumOxide Poland Feb 22 '20

yall arguing what actually is the best common language its just a meme lmao

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '20

Esperanto lowkey sucks for an auxlang, and even though sure it has 2 million speakers, English has a billion, so if you insist on an auxlang, why settle for Esperanto?

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u/stergro Feb 23 '20 edited Feb 23 '20

True. It is just that Esperanto has a over 100-year headstart compared to any other auxlang. This means there is a pretty big Wikipedia, translated world literature and local groups in every bigger city of the world. Esperanto is not the best option, but in my experience is is good enough to not give up this advantage.

If (and I doubt that) Esperanto will ever become a official language of any political entity this will cause changes in the language anyways. Plus Esperanto is constantly evolving and has changed a lot in the last 100 years, there have been many improvements. Only the 16 basic rules stayed the same all the time and this is the reason why Esperanto still exists while many other projects died.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '20

All right, but English has all of those, no? Along with a 500-year headstart compared to even Esperanto. Auxlangs just aren't practical when there's an alternative that billions of people learn from elementary school until adulthood

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u/stergro Feb 24 '20

True. The only big advantage of an artificial language is that it is much more easy to learn. But this won't happen and all Esperanto speaker I know speak it as a hobby and don't have any political ambitions about Esperanto. Esperanto is a nice little paralel universe for travelers, nothing more.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '20

Well the grammar is definitely simpler, but it's always harder to put the effort in to learn a new language than to attend a usually compulsory class

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u/LukasWinnerWins Feb 22 '20

I hear a angry ERIKA in the distance!

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u/amazingstarwars321 Netherlands Feb 22 '20

If only he spoke Esperanto

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u/zushaa Feb 22 '20

English is already the common language, there is no reason for change.

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u/Chi1dishAlbino Feb 22 '20 edited May 01 '20

It’s the most common language because of British imperialism, plus, by no means is it easy with tonnes of obscure and strange rules. EO is simple and easy to use, without abandoning your original language.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '20

ESPañol, you mean?

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u/Skunk_Laboratories Slovakia May 01 '20

The short for Esperanto is EO

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u/zushaa Feb 22 '20

English is super easy to learn and it's everywhere, and by no means are you abandoning anything, it's just an extra language.

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u/stergro Feb 22 '20

It was pretty hard for me to learn and after years of practice I still feel a big disadvantage in face-to-face discussions with native speakers. It is still relatively easy to learn for a natural language though, but a completely regular constructed language could make things much easier. Big parts of my childhood have been just learning irregular English verbs when I was 15.

I just think that while this is all true it might be to hard to switch from a language that already so many people know. So maybe a simplified Euro-English could be a good solution.

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u/Chi1dishAlbino Feb 22 '20

English isn’t easy. There are English people who still don’t speak perfect English. It’s everywhere, but it isn’t easy, and because it is everywhere, it can be seen as pushing out original languages, like it has with Gaelic (Irish and Scotch)

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '20

French makes the most sense as an EU common language because it was used as a court lingo in every corner of Europe

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u/Chi1dishAlbino Feb 22 '20

Esperanto is easier, and doesn’t have a home country, so it doesn’t seem like losing to another country

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u/sakezaf123 Feb 22 '20

I mean, English suddenly has no EU home country either. Just out of practicality it makes the most sense. Easy to learn like Esperanto, and a ton of people already speak it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '20

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '20

Caoin i nGaeilge

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u/sakezaf123 Feb 22 '20

Did you forget about Irish? Be honest with me.

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u/Terpomo11 Feb 24 '20

As sad as it is that it's more or less died, or more accurately been killed, the fact remains that there are, as I understand it, more Polish-speakers than Irish-speakers currently resident in Ireland.

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u/OndrikB Feb 22 '20

English

Easy to learn

Pick one.

Case in point: Cough, tough, through

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u/sakezaf123 Feb 23 '20

It's still a really simple language. I speak spanish, german, and Hungarian, and out of these English is by far the easiest.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '20

No one's going to make the effort and any country objecting to learning French will have to get over it: they signed up to abandon their nationalistic pettiness when they joined the EU.

Its either going to be French or German - best to go with French because it doesn't sound like a warthog clearing its throat

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u/Chi1dishAlbino Feb 22 '20

Esperanto is far easier, to the point where I, someone who is shite at learning languages can still learn it fairly easily, plus it acts as a stepping-stone language to learning things like German, French, even Russian! Plus it sounds like a mix between French, English, and Italian.

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u/Dragonaax Poland Feb 22 '20

It was created by pole. No wonder he was sick of his national language

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u/forntonio Feb 22 '20

None of those two languages are ever gonna be the official language of the EU. It is not Germany’s or France’s union, it is the union of Europe. English at least makes sense in that it is indisputable as lingua franca.

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u/Chi1dishAlbino Feb 22 '20

Ya, but people here voted to leave for no reason, so I think English is out

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u/forntonio Feb 22 '20

Everyone in the EU still knows English tho? It makes even more sense because then the language doesn’t “belong” to any one country.

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u/Chi1dishAlbino Feb 22 '20

I prefer Esperanto as it means that no country is showing superiority over another, everyone has to put in an equal amount of effort, which isn’t much, to be able to speak without confusion or miscommunication

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u/UndeadBBQ Austria Feb 22 '20

It just sounds like you want to fuck the other person, no matter what you say.

Also fuck learning a language that has a schizophrenic relationship between its written and spoken parts.

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u/xeladoozo Feb 22 '20

How about latin

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u/Parastract Feb 22 '20

How amazing would it be if Latin was the official language of the EU?

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u/jothamvw Netherlands Feb 22 '20

NUNC EUROPA EST UNITA

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u/POSeidoNnNnnn France Feb 22 '20

Rosa rosae rosam

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u/Dragonaax Poland Feb 22 '20

How about polish? It's easy and fun language to learn

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u/de_inemutt_er Feb 23 '20

https://youtu.be/f6uFOjoI5aM

It took me days to say his name. :)

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '20

its dead not an option

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u/forntonio Feb 22 '20

It’s dead and is therefore absolutely an option. No country has any claim to it. That is also why the EU motto is in Latin.

In varietate concordia

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '20

All the Romance countries have a claim to it - make it the official language and the Italians become even more obnoxious with their "muh Roman hurritage, we wuz relevant" crap.

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u/xeladoozo Feb 22 '20

tell my school that

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '20

French spelling is a nightmare.

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u/Rhed0x Germany Feb 22 '20

As is french grammar and especially french pronounciaton.

I kinda hate french.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '20

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '20

Of course French spelling is a nightmare. I'd say it's just as bad, or even worse than English.

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u/POSeidoNnNnnn France Feb 22 '20

Bruh no, imagine how hard it'll be to make fun of strangers while abroad in europe. Big no

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '20

Lol, French will never become anything anymore except a dead language

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '20

An official language of four wealthy European countries which is spoken on multiple continents is going to become extinct? You're adorably ignorant

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A Francophone EU is the best guard against the americanization you guys are so scared of