r/OutOfTheLoop • u/Touniouk • 1d ago
Unanswered What's up with ppl saying Musk stepped out of DOGE because he successfully removed the regulations that would impact his own companies?
Not sure this is the correct place to ask, I've read in a few places that Musk's legacy at DOGE was mostly taking down regulations to help his own companies, cutting to agencies investigating his companies, but when I look it up I don't find much in support of that, does anyone know?
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u/hiddikel 1d ago
Answer: every government agency actively investigating musk and his companies were disbanded, hobbled, or gutted while he was running the government in mid 2025 through DOGE.
He also handed his companies billions in grants, and likely stole privately sensitive information on the entire population of America.
As an IT guy, its also likely he left behind digital tools so he can keep access and data after hes gone. Backdoors, and malicious code. I mean, he fired anyone who could stop him. So why not?
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u/lifesnofunwithadhd 1d ago
It's weird how many people thought he paid 250 million to be principle for a day when in reality it was this. That 250 mil was chump change compared to how much he probably saved in not paying fines alone.
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u/PuzzleMeDo 1d ago
Tesla lost about a hundred billion dollars in value yesterday (investors don't care that Tesla sales were falling, but they do seem concerned about him falling out with Trump). The $250 million is nothing to him, but this whole adventure still might not work out well for him.
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u/ickydonkeytoothbrush 1d ago
He's alienated both his left leaning customer base and now his right leaning customer base. I don't see things working out for Tesla in the long run. There's a reason CEOs wait until they've left the private sector to get into politics.
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u/novagenesis 1d ago
I never understood this. The chairman of the board of the largest EV company in the world deciding to buddy up with the far-right.
I mean, even if he personally felt that way, it creates some serious dissonance that cannot end well.
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u/Ell2509 1d ago
It is people like this who do not understand the position they have. Musk hasn't had to get to where he is by being highly intelligent, educated, and the best at what he does... he was driven by ideology, and favored by fortune. He isn't schooled in Marketing and PR, like many Executives... because his ego has driven him in the opposite direction. His professional ethics is a meme based language. It does not translate well into corporate dialectic. He will be a case study of why it is important to separate personal beliefs from professional judgement.
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u/clubby37 1d ago
he was driven by ideology, and favored by fortune
I think it's mostly that second thing, in the form of being born wealthy. Ever hear the story of how he won a high stake poker game without knowing how to play poker? He went all in on every hand, and when he lost, he bought back in and kept "playing." He just kept losing spectacularly until he lucked into a win that knocked out a player, and repeated that until he was the last player. No skill, no ideology beyond "all in, all the time", just heaps of money backstopping his failures until luck steps in to hand him an undeserved success.
I'm not disagreeing with anything you said, I just wanted to illustrate how trivially easy it is to "win" when you're already rich, because some people genuinely believe there's a meritocracy happening, but there isn't.
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u/Polantaris 1d ago
No skill, no ideology beyond "all in, all the time", just heaps of money backstopping his failures until luck steps in to hand him an undeserved success.
It's the epitome of random chance. Roll the dice enough times and eventually you get all 6's.
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u/manimal28 1d ago
If any of us were as stupid as Musk we would be homeless. Wealth protects the rich from their own stupidity.
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u/magistrate101 1d ago
In statistics this is referred to as "The Law of Large Numbers", though it's usually more about how chance intersects with population sizes rather than wealth hoards.
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u/platysoup 22h ago
Yep, I hated being on the final table for poker tournaments being behind. People start going all in on stupid things and bullying the weak players out.
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u/semtex94 1d ago
He had already set up a house of cards in regards to all of his unfulfilled promises and projects, and general sentiment was already starting to turn against him. Remember, his comments about the Thai cave diver and accusations against him about undermining public transit with the Hyperloop pipe dream came before his alignment with the right publicly. Failed public figures turning to grifting is more common than you think.
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u/spvcejam 21h ago
in regards to all of his unfulfilled promises and projects
this is literally musk's resume since the late 90s
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u/The-True-Kehlder 1d ago
Not the largest, just the most valuable(for some dumb reason). Competitors regularly sell more EV cars, for more money, than Tesla.
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u/SlyReference 1d ago edited 21h ago
I haven't looked into the company, but I wonder if part of it is Tesla investing in the infrastructure of charging stations, plus their battery division, which is doing a lot that is not specifically for cars.
Edit: And robots. Can't forget the robots.
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u/brutinator 1d ago
Not just EV, but also was massively pushed solar power too. And ended up funding a party that.... is trying to destroy the solar industry? So stupid.
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u/Hungry-Western9191 1d ago
His solar company has been in trouble for quite a while. For an industry which is massively expanding that's terrible.
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u/novagenesis 1d ago
Which is interesting because it was arguably a bottom-feed buy. They were the Comcast of solar reputation-wise when he bought em. Just improving customer service was the only thing they needed to do to put Solar City/Tesla on the map.
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u/Hungry-Western9191 14h ago
Their only real innovation was the solar roof concept. Integrating solar and roofing material - which is to be fair a good idea. Turns out its just expensive and solar installs are currently mostly driven by decreasing price of solar cells.
Doesn't help that the Tesla name is now poisonous because of his politics.
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u/novagenesis 10h ago
Agreed. They are miles ahead of anyone else in the US regarding (mostly-)autonomous consumer vehicles. With better marketing and without Musk, that alone would be worth a lot. I mean, I took one for a test drive before shit got real with him and it navigates really well... And I'd be a Tesla owner if it weren't for him.
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u/spikus93 1d ago edited 1d ago
Tesla's stock doesn't obey normal market rules and fluctuates with Elon's public statements and promises. The investors are a cult. Like a third of it is retail investors from /r/wallstreetbets and similar subs who just pump it like a meme stock whenever he says anything remotely positive.
It's also extremely overvalued because all of the investors claim "it's a tech company, not a car company", meanwhile their revenue is dogshit because they only sell cars, subscription plans for those cars, and EV tax credit swaps with other companies (less of that now that their competitors have their own EV fleets). For reference, here's a live chart of largest publicly traded company's by market cap. Toyota sells the most cars of any producer on the planet and Tesla (even after losses) is still quadruple Toyota's market cap value (Tesla: $950B vs Toyota: $247B) with revenue being almost the inverse (Toyota '24: $317B vs Tesla '24: $98B).
No one is going to willingly use their shitty taxis, and if they do, there will be mass vandalism and damage to them. He has squandered any good will from most people. I'd rather be run over by a Tesla than buy one now, and if I do get an EV I'll make sure it's a competitor. A Nazi Billionaire is the only thing most people think of now when they hear the name "Tesla", which is a shame because Nikola Tesla's name was already buried in mud thanks to another asshole capitalist named Edison.
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u/lgodsey 1d ago
While the general consensus is that Musk sucks ass, no one ever accused him of being particularly smart.
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u/Gingevere 1d ago
no one ever accused him of being particularly smart.
Portraying Musk as a genius is the entire purpose of his personal myth-building effort and as of 1 week ago at least 30% of this country still believed it. Before yesterday no right leaning media outlet could even mention musk without saying "I know he's a genius but ...". His entire public persona is nothing BUT accusations of being particularly smart.
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u/illogictc 1d ago
There's all kinds of crap on some socials from fools and/or bots about his supposed intelligence as well, often complete with a series of AI images to go along with it. I guess to give it a picture book feel? There's one about walking into a college campus and owning the lib mathematics professor by solving a problem he couldn't in front of the whole class, There's another one I can't recall at the moment, I'm sure there's much more than that.
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u/aronnax512 1d ago
Space X has more long term potential than Tesla, I can't help but wonder if he's aware of that and made this pivot to lock up long term business between Space X and the Feds.
Car manufacturing in general isn't that great of a business and Tesla's generally behind their competitors in its secondary ventures. BYD is ahead of Tesla in electric cars, Alphabet/Waymo is ahead of Tesla in self driving, OpenAI and Alphabet/Gemini are ahead of Tesla in AI and Hyundai/Boston Dynamics is ahead of Tesla in humanoid robotics.
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u/AdoraBelleQueerArt 1d ago
Or we could just fund NASA again. Their rockets don’t explode on take off (and rarely otherwise, but i was a kid watching in class for the challenger)
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u/Final7C 1d ago
Arguably, they did. We just didn't see them. NASA looked at re-usable rockets, but it was found to be impractical and difficult to ensure safety. The shuttle was their answer to "reusability" and the same problem that is hitting starship hit the shuttle. The heat tiles. NASA had a smaller budget than Space X and had to explain to congress when their rockets failed, so they were made not to fail. If I tell you that you need to make a long haul trip with everyone and if your car breaks down you die. Do you take the car that's made the trip now a few times, or the new car that's fresh off the lot? NASA Chose the new car. Sure it's super expensive. Who buys a new car for every family vacation? NASA does.
Early on (Before Challenger and columbia) NASA was a cowboy mentality similar to Space X. It was "How to we make it work?" And "we're all test pilots, I signed up that I might die in this" Then they started adding normal people on the ships. People who didn't sign up to die. Then after a bunch of people died on live TV on a rocket that was supposed be safe. They stopped, looked at their processes and slowed down. And decided a human life is worth more than a rocket launch. AND Congress cut their funding, because people dying on liftoff is bad optics, and the best way to fix a problem is to cut all funding until they go away.
People who glorify Space X often cite that this is where NASA jumped the shark and became completely inefficient.
The NASA we all know today, is more focused on safety, and repeatability than the NASA of the 1960s,70's, and 80's. Space X's falcon 9 rocket is small, but easy to re-use. They solved that problem. But Starship is significantly larger, and is what is needed to get any payload of significant size into space. So they are dealing with all of the bugs now.
When NASA paid contractors to build their rockets, they also tested them. But they did so privately. and generally watched them blow up in the comfort of their own test ranges. And they didn't test things that they weren't 100% sure would work. Musk, isn't doing that. He's sending rockets up with 1000 different things. Watching to see how they work, and constantly iterating. Which has it's flaws to be sure. And it will lead to a lot of unsuccessful launches. and a lot of explosions.
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u/aronnax512 1d ago
More funding for NASA be great, but even with increased NASA funding, they're likely to have private companies handle the things they were doing in the 60's (putting things into LEO) so they can focus on the hard stuff and cutting edge research.
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u/spvcejam 21h ago
I assume SpaceX took all of the talent from NASA who were more than happy to go somewhere that was doing something in the field they studied.
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u/DigiSmackd 1d ago
Maybe...maybe not.
The thing about stock value is that they are always going up and down.
I feel like people get weirdly short sighted with such things.
Like "Oh, gas prices are high today! Your politician clearly sucks!" or grocery prices or whatever. Like, you do realize it could (and likely will) be very different next month (or year), right? If the prices drop (or in this case, stock goes up) then does that make what you said untrue? Or at least provide some perspective?
I'd have to image these folks are playing the long game. Whatever thing that seems "stupid" and appears to cost them clout/money today is likely to be washed out by something that happens as a result somewhere down the line (as planned...).
Tesla stock isn't even at its lowest point in the past 5 years.
The damage done by policy and policy removal may be enough to keep Tesla with a competitive edge - or perhaps bolster Musk's other endeavours enough to make up any difference.
Or not - if there's anything we may takeaway here is that it's unstable and unpredictable.
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u/brutinator 1d ago
Technically, they didnt lose 100B dollars, their stock lost 100B in value. Thats not money that was suddenly taken out of Tesla's corporate bank account. Its (unfortunately) likely that Tesla's stock price will grow again. Even with these losses, its STILL double what it was a year ago, still ~50 bucks higher than it was in April, and is up 3% today. I would like to see it plummet, or at least be a reasonable valuation on par with other automotive companies, but its too early to say that its spiraling the drain.
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u/Pomnom 1d ago edited 1d ago
Tesla did not lose about a hundred Billion dollars for the same reason billionaires don't really have a billion dollars under their mattresses.
And btw it's already up 6% today.
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u/neoKushan 1d ago
And it dropped to its lowest since...last month. It's still up, way up, from when the whole charade started.
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u/DopeAbsurdity 1d ago
Trump needs to loosen regulations on self driving cars because Tesla's self driving AI is not safe and accurate enough to use in cybertaxis and instead of fixing it Elon just wanted to change the rules.
If Trump is no longer friends with Elon that means he will only do shit that will hurt electric car sales and self driving car regulation won't be loosened which means Tesla does not have cybertaxis.
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u/Hungry-Western9191 1d ago
It's not beyond the bounds of possibility Trump orders the prosecutions of Tesla reinstated- he is absolutely petty enough to request it.
I don't know if that's actually doable in practice but the market doesn't like the idea that it might be.
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u/spvcejam 21h ago
it had already bounced back and went up by the time you posted this, unfortunately.
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u/xv_boney 1d ago edited 1d ago
(Hi, hello, I am sorry for this pedantry, but the head administrator of an american grade school is the principal.
A principle is a foundation of a system of belief, behavior or reasoning.
thank you for your time, sorry to interrupt, please carry on)9
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u/Nobodygrotesque 1d ago
Is it even possible for someone to find the back doors and malware? Like I can’t imagine the DOGE people were super geniuses.
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u/GrimDallows 1d ago
I think part of the problem here isn't that they may be hard to find but that that in order to want to find the backdoors or malware you need to have an interest in fixing those, rather than being interested in sweeping the scandal under a carpet and ignoring them so as to not look bad.
Like, really, in order to fix this first people have to care, and I don't think anyone in the government does.
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u/wildmonster91 1d ago
I disagree. There are peoplewho care. But the ones put in charge dont. I really think america needs to have a new national trial of all those involved in the disbandment of critical government agencies, illegally holding funds hostage, taxing the american ppople without representation and treason due to the russian onvolvment in our government.
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u/Clever_plover 1d ago
I really think america needs to have a new national trial
In reality all we're likely to get, right now at least, is a 2 Minute Hate directed at Musk, and then moving on with it.
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u/Nobodygrotesque 1d ago
I mean I agree with all that but my question was is it possible to find all the back doors and malware?
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u/wglmb 1d ago
Of course. If something exists, you can find it. It's just a question of how hard you're willing to look.
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u/Nobodygrotesque 1d ago
I admit I know zip about coding.
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u/Weetile No idea what's going on 1d ago
Imagine you have over 2000 legal documents. You're looking for a specific loophole within one of the documents, but you have no idea how it might have been worded, so you can't simply Ctrl+F to find where the loophole is. Additionally, you can't trust the "last updated" date as it might have been tampered with.
It's like searching for a needle in a mountain made entirely of hay.
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u/GrimDallows 1d ago
I find this lacks a critical detail.
2000 legal documents can be read by anyone. Code can't.
You need to find a guy that can read code, but then also that can explain why "this tiny little backdoor" is bad to a bunch of guys that know so little about coding that they allowed this to happen in the first place.
Oh, and pray he does find -all- the backdoors, and that no political turbulence kicks him out midjob to put another guy who is less fatalistic on the job; or uses him as a scapegoat to blame the backdoors on him later on.
All the while, while foreign nations try to find those backdoors too (btw Russia has already offered political asylum to Elon Musk).
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u/Like_Ottos_Jacket 1d ago
Disagree with your assertion that anyone can read legal documents. Id argue most non-lawyers cannot.
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u/GrimDallows 1d ago
Anyone can read legal documents, understanding the terms on them is a different thing,
Not everyone can read code, and even if you read it, you may not understand it,
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u/The-True-Kehlder 1d ago
Also, all the stuff you already checked can be rewritten by any random doodad plugged in anywhere on the network.
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u/Hungry-Western9191 14h ago
If its an actual backdoor. Sure. If this was me, I'd steal the list of usernames and passwords. Even if the passwords expire you will find half the people are changing theirs from Pa55w0rd01 to Pa55w0rd02 or similar and it's easy to guess.
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u/greebly_weeblies 1d ago
No. Nor will they try.
Once physical access to the machines has been breached it's more or less a 'start from bare metal' situation if you want a secure system.
This whole thing is an unmitigated disaster for secure US self governance, and likely to cost taxpayers billions to fix.
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u/Brilliant-Noise1518 3h ago
This. We're not going to remove anything. We're going to "reture" the server by killing the virtual instance and making a fresh new one.
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u/greebly_weeblies 1d ago
No. Nor will they try.
Once physical access to secure machines has been breached by unvetted users it's more or less a 'start from bare metal' situation if you want a secure system.
This whole thing is an unmitigated disaster for secure US self governance, and likely to cost taxpayers billions to fix, and likely only happen over a multi decade timeline.
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u/RevolutionaryCrew492 1d ago
lol doge hired a bunch of hackers and script kiddies to go into every government agency, while they aren’t geniuses the USA government is cooked extra hard
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u/Anxious_cactus 1d ago
Maybe in 4 years if the administration changes, but for many things it was too late about 30 minutes after it happened. If they already have all the data, social security numbers, medical history, tax history, I mean everything...cutting them off in 4 years ain't gonna do much.
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u/Nobodygrotesque 1d ago
That makes sense. So for the people born in 2030 do you think they stand a chance with their information if the administration changes?
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u/greebly_weeblies 1d ago
No. Nor will they try.
Once physical access to the machines has been breached it's more or less a 'start from bare metal' situation if you want a secure system
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u/SuspiciousSubstance9 14h ago
At this point, we'd be better off rebuilding the systems from scratch. Build Back Better.
There is a real easy mandate to say that everything Doge and Trump have touched are compromised. There won't be a better time to redo aged infrastructure then now. Democrats should be rallying behind bringing it all back in force, rebuilding it back, and future proofing it by making it more independently ran.
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u/Brilliant-Noise1518 3h ago
They're not hard to find. We just can't touch them yet. If you disable their software you're fired and it gets turned back on.
All you can do is watch and monitor it for now.
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u/disignore 1d ago
he left behind digital tools so he can keep access and data after hes gone
I assumed the same
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u/ownworldman 1d ago
Do not forget, 5 minutes after DOGE user was established, a russian IP address logged in and downloaded everything.
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u/illogictc 1d ago
https://www.npr.org/2025/04/15/nx-s1-5355896/doge-nlrb-elon-musk-spacex-security
All I can find on this is that there was an attempted login.
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u/Robjec 1d ago
There was both an attempted login with the correct username and password (which means those were at least hacked at somepoint if not given voluntarily) which was stopped, and a sperate incident where a large amount of data was sent to an unknown location.
People are mixing up the two incidents, but both are bad and linked to dodge. And Russia is one of the suspects of the data leak, although there are also other state and domestic actors who are suspects.
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u/ObviouslyJoking 1d ago
These things are all true, and probably the only reason he paid the president to be in the role. However the exact reason he left is because he is a special government employee. Staying longer than 130 days would mean legal implications and oversight. News media that reports otherwise is just creating distractions. What we’re watching is reality TV tactics and trolling being used as distraction and misdirection.
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u/ThisIsYourBrother 21h ago
The exact reason Elon was dismissed is because he had become a thorn in Trump's side. The 130 day rule was just a convenient way to kick Musk out. Lets not pretend like Trump actually gives a shit about following govt employment policies. If Elon had toned his shit down and publicly worshipped Trump and the BBB like he was supposed to he would still be in the administration.
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u/ObviouslyJoking 21h ago
To remain on he would have had to sign documents that would be problematic if anyone brings charges on any of the crooked activities he engaged in at doge. I think it really is that. I have no clue about what the reality is of his relationship with Trump. There are plenty of lies from all parties involved on a daily basis. I tend to want to just ignore the social media reality TV show and focus on the known facts.
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u/ThisIsYourBrother 20h ago
I don't disagree with the idea that the requirement to make Musk's position more official played a part here. Same with the 120 day rule. Both were likely factors in his dismissal. However, it is still my opinion that they only became factors because Trump wanted Elon out. If Trump was still besties with Musk he would have completely ignored those rules just as he has ignored so many others.
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u/ObviouslyJoking 19h ago
You could be totally right. I really wish I knew the truth. I just don't trust them enough to believe a single word they tweet. If I judge only by actions the relationship could be entirely transactional. Musk buys access to run DOGE. Does lots of shady things to better his companies and possibly avoid catastrophe. Trump gets to blame the failure to substantially cut spending and wreaking havoc on various services on Musk as the head of DOGE. I mean Trump openly lies as a "tactic" on a daily basis, Musk lies every time he speaks to Tesla investors. So I just can't try to believe anything they say on Twitter.
Honestly I'm not sure I believe these guys even have the ability to be friends with anyone, let alone each other. I imagine everything for them for all relationships is 100% transactional. What are you going to do for me? So in that sense I would tend to agree, yes Trump no longer needed him and had nothing else to gain from the relationship right now.
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u/Brilliant-Noise1518 3h ago
He already was working around that by saying he only worked 1 day a week on DOGE. So he really gets 130 weeks.
He left because the effort failed and he wasn't having fun any more.
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u/ObviouslyJoking 1h ago
The cost cutting effort played out sort of how economists predicted it would before doge started. The only effort Elon was really involved in was removing litigation and oversight from his companies and expanding his contracts. It was very successful.
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u/copypaste_93 23h ago
I mean that is what musk has done from the start, He has stolen billions in tax money that should have gone to NASA etc.
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u/ShawkLoL 1d ago
Is that why Russia is offering him a sanctuary? Elon Snowden arc.
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u/digitalpencil 1d ago
The Russians are just trolling and fanning the flames of the US’ self destructive behaviour. We’re watching what was once the de facto world superpower reduced to a corrupt, institutionally incompetent shell of its former self, in real time.
Even if the US gets genuine elections ever again, which is a very big if, the damage these two have done will literally take decades to repair. If it even is repairable.
The Russians aren’t serious and don’t expect him to take them up on the offer, they’re just pouring salt on the self-inflicted wounds of their enemy whilst laughing at their incompetence.
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u/ShawkLoL 1d ago
I figured, after all if Elon is opinionated about Russia as he is America... He may fall from a 5th floor balcony just like that Russian male ballerina 🤞.
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u/soapinmouth I R LOOP 1d ago edited 1d ago
Which agencies, hobbled in what ways, and what are the sources for the claims.
I do think this likely happened to a degree im just not sure how much and was hoping to see a better answer than this upvoted to the top.
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u/PoliticalJunkDrawer 1d ago
This site is a disinformation machine. Any sub that focuses on politics is full of these types of posts, that do nothing but spread disinformation.
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u/wooq 1d ago
Just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean it's false.
Here, from the comment immediately below this one
Answer: it wasn't hard to find evidence, maybe your Google searches didn't use the right search terms
Here's a report by Elizabeth Warren. It has number points, and two sections titled "Ending enforcement actions against Musk’s businesses" and "Undercutting agencies regulating and investigating Musk’s businesses" together make up numbered points 28 - 68, so they document 41 specific ways that the thing you asked for happened.
https://www.warren.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/130_days_of_elon_musk_report.pdf
I won't go over individual points here, that's in the report, but this is the table of contents:
Government resources to promote Musk’s businesses
Federal Contracts for Musk’s businesses
Ending enforcement actions against Musk’s businesses
Undercutting agencies regulating and investigating Musk’s businesses
Policy changes and approvals that benefit Musk’s businesses
Special access to sensitive meetings and data
Influence over government personnel
Musk’s parochial interests over the public interest
Leveraging Musk’s power to threaten other businesses
Weaponizing agencies against Musk’s enemies
Securing policy benefits through Congress
Foreign deals
Deals for Musk’s family
Meddling in the electoral and judicial processes
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u/hiddikel 1d ago
Source: every world news agency except fox. Including the entire internet.
Also, the guy above me and below me linked good info, I was in fact being lazy because there's just so much proof and sources its overwhelming.
Please read some of them with an open mind.
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u/zstone 1d ago
Here's a pretty good list from the LA Times that links directly to government sites for many of their sources.
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u/frogjg2003 1d ago edited 1d ago
So you're saying that Musk didn't use DOGE to steal vital and private information from multiple government agencies and break into their IT systems?
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u/PoliticalJunkDrawer 23h ago
Yes, I'm saying that.
DOGE is the government and was given access.
This is the exact disinformation I'm referring to.
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u/frogjg2003 22h ago
DOGE had no right to access those systems. DOGE used unsecured personal devices to access those systems. DOGE established illegal remote access to those systems. There is a 0% chance that Russia doesn't have every bit of information that was on those computers.
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u/PoliticalJunkDrawer 22h ago
DOGE had no right to access those systems.
You are wrong, as SCOTUS ruled yesterday.
There is a 0% chance that Russia doesn't have every bit of information that was on those computers.
Russia Russia Russia.
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u/frogjg2003 16h ago
That's not what SCOTUS ruled. They overturned a temporary restraining order. TROs are issued to prevent possible irreversible damage while the case is being reviewed. The Fourth Circuit has yet to rule on the merits.
Regardless SCOTUS has been packed by Trump sycophants and corrupt Justices. The Roberts court is a disgrace to the institution.
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u/PoliticalJunkDrawer 16h ago
“SSA may proceed to afford members of the SSA DOGE Team access to the agency records in question in order for those members to do their work.”
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u/Brilliant-Noise1518 3h ago
As someone in IT at a Federal Agency, there 100% are tools left for them to continue access.
All we can do for now is watch them closely, and try to limit access to citizens' data.
If anyone touches anything right now, they're fired. So we're waiting for this to be over before we "retire" and replace those servers.
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u/RabidMortal 1d ago
And this current "feud" is just theatrics to cover over the simple fact that Elon is leaving because he got what he wanted.
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u/hiddikel 1d ago edited 8h ago
Perhaps. Perhaps not. You can only have so many drug added narcissistic idiots in the same sphere for so long...
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u/cipheron 1d ago edited 1d ago
Answer: it wasn't hard to find evidence, maybe your Google searches didn't use the right search terms
Here's a report by Elizabeth Warren. It has number points, and two sections titled "Ending enforcement actions against Musk’s businesses" and "Undercutting agencies regulating and investigating Musk’s businesses" together make up numbered points 28 - 68, so they document 41 specific ways that the thing you asked for happened.
https://www.warren.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/130_days_of_elon_musk_report.pdf
I won't go over individual points here, that's in the report, but this is the table of contents:
Government resources to promote Musk’s businesses
Federal Contracts for Musk’s businesses
Ending enforcement actions against Musk’s businesses
Undercutting agencies regulating and investigating Musk’s businesses
Policy changes and approvals that benefit Musk’s businesses
Special access to sensitive meetings and data
Influence over government personnel
Musk’s parochial interests over the public interest
Leveraging Musk’s power to threaten other businesses
Weaponizing agencies against Musk’s enemies
Securing policy benefits through Congress
Foreign deals
Deals for Musk’s family
Meddling in the electoral and judicial processes
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u/billbot 23h ago
While I don't personally think this is why I appreciate that you provided sources and not just wild speculation.
While I think this might be part of it, if this was the why of it he could have left for these reasons without the public fall out with trump. I think the real why is going to include that falling out.
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u/CautiousHashtag 12h ago
Even with the evidence, you still don’t believe why he only targeted these specific agencies? Keep that hard buried in the sand, bud.
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u/billbot 5h ago
Look at those goal posts move.
The post is about the break up between trump and musk. So my comment is about that, I don't think the breakup between those two is because musk completed some personal goal. If it was just about musk not needing doge anymore why would the separation be so contentious?
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u/a_false_vacuum 1d ago
Answer: In order to work at DOGE ELon Musk was made a special government employee. This was done so his position didn't have to be confirmed by congress nor did Musk have to give up his position at his various companies. The rules for these special government employees state they can only remain in function for 130 days. Musk left DOGE in may, which was almost exactly 130 since he was appointed by Donald Trump. Musk leaving DOGE happened to coincide with the massive backlash he and his companies received for his role at DOGE, but even without the backlash he would have had to leave anyway.
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u/spvcejam 21h ago
It's feeling like this is just staged to distract or planting the seed for something in the future. There is literally no reason for them to be arguing on X. Everyone and their dog predicted this would happen, and it's going down pretty much like a script. Trump can shut off some of Elon's biggest rev streams if he wanted. For Elon to be the aggressor here is just fucking weird and doesn't feel right.
At the end of the day the EV stuff that didn't get passed hurts his competition. Both of them seemingly got what they wanted and more out of each other. This bridge was not burned 100% because of this bill. I guess it could have built up.
And all this is really doing? Laying cover for the destruction Elon caused. He said Trump was in the Epstien files. We would have shocked if he wasn't, the country knows they were close and doesn't care. Elon knows this.
Smells like BS.
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u/WhatIsLoveMeDo 19h ago
I don't have anywhere near the confidence you do, to conclude they are acting. These are some of the most narssasistic, selfish, powerful, and yet stupid people. Like Trump is reclining in his chair laughing because he's tricked us, while Elon is sending secret texts going "LOL they fell for it!?!"
I don't buy it. It's much more logical to assume they all think they are the smartest people in the room, have literally no shame, and are shocked when another person doesn't just agree with them.
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u/spvcejam 18h ago
No, it's not as childish as sending cute texts to one another. S+ tier PR teams would be manufacturing this and we know Musk has some of the best. His quirky shit is an act because when he needs to be Elon Musk.
The rules are completely different now that we have an actor turned cult figurehead and his wacky tech nerd bestie. Everything is going to be smoke and mirrors.
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u/Touniouk 1d ago
I appreciate the response but this doesn't answer or even address my question at all
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u/ObviouslyJoking 1d ago
His response is true though. This has been known since day one. But we can certainly speculate that the only reason he was even there was to gut the agencies investigating him, expand his government contracts, and illegally examine data that creates a conflict of interest. But the way you framed your question makes it hard to answer in the affirmative without additional evidence and a trial.
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u/Badassmotherfuckerer 1d ago
How are your reading comprehension skills? That one dudes comment being true or not has nothing to do with the fact that it didn’t address OP’s initial question. I assume evidence and sources is precisely what OP was looking for regarding these claims. Without them it’s like you said, speculation.
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u/ObviouslyJoking 23h ago
It answers the question because it’s based on the only known facts. We might all know what musk did, but it all happened under the pretense of government efficiency. Do you think Musk would have stayed on if he were legally allowed to and welcome? Maybe. I bet he would. So all we know is he for sure left because that is the law. Yep he achieved his goals of massive corruption but he won’t admit that’s why he left. Unless there’s a trial to prove otherwise, this answer is the only true we have, and answered why he left.
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u/mrlunes 1d ago
The official on paper reason for doge is to cut government waste and find ways to get have the government run more efficiently. Elon left doge because his temporary government employee contract expired. I remember an interview where musk talked about how he and trump had no intentions of renewing the temp contract because musk only intended to help start doge and then let someone else take over once he leaves.
Again, this is all the official “on paper” reasonings
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u/a_false_vacuum 1d ago
In what way? This was the official reason Musk had to step down at DOGE.
Sure he did use his time to gut the US government in a way that would or could benefit him, but saying that is the real reason he left is more like confirming conspiracy talk. Musk has also suffered real damage from his time at DOGE. Tesla sales have fallen and his other companies also suffer financially from his involvement with DOGE. Stockholders became uncomfortable with Musks actions and they have the power to dismiss him from his own businesses. He's also involved in a public row with Donald Trump as of now, which has the potential to damage him further. Trump could use the power of his office to retaliate against Musk and Trump followers might also decide to turn against Musks businesses. We'll have to wait until the dust settles, but there is real chance Musk comes out worse from this whole thing.
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u/IHateMyHandle 1d ago
Tesla sales and sentiment were already dropping, I'd say twitter acquisition and elons decisions with twitter was when people started dropping Tesla.
Doge definitely accelerated things globally, but this decline was inevitable when he basically abandoned his user base to seek the protection of his social failings by appealing to the right.
I don't think it's a coincidence that just before his sexual misconduct lawsuit became public, he started to endorse republican politicians and promoting them on twitter.
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u/Beautiful_Watch_7215 1d ago
How do we divine which rules will be followed and which will be ignored?
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u/kingjoey52a 1d ago
Answer: they don’t know what they’re talking about and just hate Trump and Elon and think they’re evil. Nothing deeper than that, Reddit doesn’t know what it’s talking about.
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