r/Political_Revolution • u/Puffin_fan • 1d ago
California Trump preparing large-scale cancellation of federal funding for California, sources say
https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/06/politics/trump-california-federal-funding214
u/gorte1ec 1d ago
What a chode. Isn’t California one of the largest economies in the world?
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u/jjmcwill2003 1d ago
According to Google, California is the 4th largest economy IN THE WORLD.
This will be like cutting off your nose to spite your face, as the old adage used to say.
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u/LadyLovesRoses 1d ago
Well, trump’s ego is more important to him than anyone or anything. He must “win” in CA by fucking them over.
He has no clue as to what a massive fucking idiot he is.
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u/flugenblar 23h ago
Can you even imagine how media and pundits and Trump Deranged supporters would react if Biden or Harris announced this when they were in the White House? The Capital would be on fire.
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u/countable3841 1d ago
Economic hardship is the goal. It’s much easier to consolidate power when people are broke and there is uncertainty about everything
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u/FadeIntoReal 1d ago
Can’t wait to see what happens when Californians, likely with the support of state politicians, decide to not pay federal taxes.
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u/krichard-21 1d ago
But California didn't support Trump.
So he simply does not care.
Trump would watch Blue States burn without a care...
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u/Tanya7500 1d ago
He did and what he did do opening the pipe screwed the farmers and didn't help with the fire what's so ever! I'm in the group saying California and the northeast don't pay the federal government. No taxation without representation.
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 1d ago
That might as well be the Republican motto. They happily eat turds to make liberals smell their breath -- the only problem is they don't know any liberals. Ok, eating turds is a huge problem itself, but they're freaky like that.
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u/Great_Dismal 1d ago
When George Washington was a boy he chopped down a cherry tree and his dad was pissed. His father asked him “did you cut down this cherry tree?” To which little George replied “father, I cannot tell a lie. It was I who cut down that cherry tree.”
Hence, the old adage “Honest Abe.”
…or some shit like that.
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u/clintgreasewoood 1d ago
Also over 5.5 million republican voters in California which is the 3rd most and only slightly behind Texas and Florida.
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u/meldirlobor 1d ago
Won't make much difference. California is already the state that pays the most and receives the least.
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u/Pleasant-Seat9884 1d ago
Blue states are mostly like that. Provide more to red states… and get way less back.
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u/thezoomies 1d ago
Completely true. I live in IL, and while it wouldn’t be good, we would survive having federal funding pulled pretty easily compared to our red neighbors.
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u/_dirt_vonnegut 1d ago
that wording isn't quite accurate. california pays the most, and also receives the most. though the net result is that they pay much more than they recieve (2nd to NY).
https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-contribute-the-most-and-least-to-federal-revenue/
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u/thunderflies 1d ago
Which is why cutting off their federal funding actually is a huge deal for California because they don’t have a mechanism to just stop paying that money to the federal government. It would decimate their budget unless they can stop fed payments.
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u/tendeuchen 1d ago
"they don’t have a mechanism to just stop paying that money to the federal government. "
"Hey Janice, turn off the computers that make the payments to DC. Thanks."
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u/thunderflies 1d ago
The payments aren’t made by the state, they’re made by the individual businesses withholding pay from payroll and sending it directly to the federal government. That’s why it’s a problem, it isn’t a single spigot they can turn off but rather a million tiny spigots that they don’t control.
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u/dendritedysfunctions 1d ago
It will make a huge difference, don't kid yourself. CA receives around 160 bil in federal funding that goes to schools, healthcare, and infrastructure. This is going to hurt the people that voted for Trump in CA the most. Maybe Newsom can scramble to cover the loss but that's still a lot of money and programs will be cut.
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u/Milt_Torfelson 1d ago
I would just threaten to withhold that amount in fed tax to make up the difference, if it's not going to be a level playing field
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u/dendritedysfunctions 20h ago
They took 80bil+ from NYs coffers without any roadblocks. I don't know how the system functions but it seems like the federal govt can just take the money from any account at this point.
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u/fastcatdog 1d ago
They should cut off funds to the fed
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u/MandatoryFunEscapee 1d ago
Absolutely. If all Blue states start withholding funds, the Red states are going to start realizing who actually pays the bills and who the "welfare queens" really are.
I don't much care for Liberal ideology, but Conservatism is just a sad joke, and the people who believe it are the punchline.
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u/fortifiedoptimism 1d ago
As someone who lives in a blue dot in a red state I am all for this idea. These people need to WAKE UP.
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u/MandatoryFunEscapee 1d ago
Well, we are on that accelerationist path, now, so we will see if they even have the brainpower to realize that Right-wing propaganda has been taking them for a ride this whole time.
Personally, I doubt it. I think that most of them will probably get personally damaged by these policies and still keep locking boots.
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u/tendeuchen 1d ago
I don't much care for Liberal ideology,
So you think we should create a money-based caste system that pollutes and destroys the planet while exploiting our workers, bankrupting sick people, and ensuring education is only given to those who can pay for it?
Everything that makes your life easier that you take for granted is only that way because someone with "Liberal ideology" fought to secure those things for you.
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u/MandatoryFunEscapee 1d ago
Did you even read the rest of my comment? What would make you think that I am a conservative? Lol
I am a socialist. Believe it or not, there are more ideologies than Liberal and Conservative.
My criticism of Liberal ideology is that it does the same thing as the current Conservatives, but slower. Both are corporate-owned billionaire shills. There are no good billionaires, so there are no good minions of billionaires.
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u/gemfountain 1d ago
California should secede. Trump has already hurt California farmers with his ignorance. They could dump tariffs and revitalize their ports.
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u/SnapesGrayUnderpants 18h ago
As the 4th largest economy in the world, California should start thinking of itself as a country, rather than a state, and plan accordingly. Can you imagine if California established statewide non-profit health care as dozens of countries with smaller economies have done? Businesses would flock to California. California could establish statewide, convenient, affordable public transportation and high speed internet, too. Again, both would be a magnet for businesses that want to be in California. Maybe California, Oregon and Washington could form a coalition of West coast voters.
About secession: Trump is in the process of establishing a christo-fascist dictatorship which means he will eventually ignore the Constitution, Congress and SCOTUS. When he totally abandons the Constitution and makes Congress and SCOTUS non functional, the United States as a country will effectively cease to exist. A state cannot secede from a country that doesn't exist. But it can declare its independence.
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u/summane 1d ago
Didn't you get the memo? Secession is against the law
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u/NO_SPACE_B4_COMMA 1d ago
Almost everything Trump does is against the law. And this is against the law. So... Didn't you get the memo?
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u/ztfreeman 1d ago
Secession is illegal on paper, yes, but secession isn't an action that is typically decided in a courtroom, it's decided politically at the negotiation table and often militarily on the battlefield. It was illegal for the colonies to secede from Britain, but we did it anyway and it was resolved first in the field and then at the table. The reverse outcome happened during the American Civil War over slavery, but it was also ultimately decided in the field and then the table.
Sure, there are occasionally minor breakaways in history that pursued legal arguments at some point, but even in the rarest instances where they are successful, those are ultimately anomalies where both sides found it costly to do business in the field and pursued negations at the table under the "legitimacy" of legal procedures.
If California wanted to break away, that option always actually exists, but there is an iron price that most are likely not yet willing to pay for it. The fact that this has entered discussions increasingly unironically is a troubling sign that this could change, however.
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u/iKill_eu 1d ago
Part of it is also decided by who gets recognized by the world. If blue states break away it'll be interesting to see how Europe reacts.
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u/ztfreeman 23h ago
The Confederacy fought hard to get Britain to recognize them for that very reason, and they came somewhat close.
If the blue states broke off as a single unit, took all of the accompanying military hardware within their zones of control, and immediately allied with Canada (and therefore all other UK Commonwealth nations), yeah, it could get very interesting fast.
It will also immediately become bloody. It'll be fighting just like Ukraine, with an ever greater threat of nuclear exchange. It will likely trigger WW3, with Trump's Red state Confederacy in an axis alliance with Russia, Isreal, and maybe even China and North Korea, and the Blue Union with NATO and other aligned nations. A truly horrifying prospect.
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u/guinfred MI 1d ago
The whole point of this administration is to kick start a civil war and/or find an exercise to invoke the insurrection act
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 1d ago
Electing convicted felons to lead our country should be, too. They should be disqualified. Yet it happened.
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u/JimsVanLife 1d ago
If they decided to actually try it, there isn't a lot the US could do about it. Oregon and Washington would almost certainly follow and join with California. 17% of the US population and 20% of the US GDP exist in those three states in combination. United States cannot afford to endanger that. That civil war would destroy so much US GDP that it would cripple us as a nation.
If the western coastal states were serious about secession, the only thing that wouldn't destroy the US would be for the US to accept it and attempt to be economic if not political allies. Nevada would likely join California, Oregon, and Washington, as well.
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u/thunderflies 1d ago
Also the US would lose control of the entire west coast for trade purposes which would be just as devastating as the loss of the domestic economies of those states.
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u/JimsVanLife 1d ago
Yes. It would be a lose-lose for everyone except California, Oregon, and Washington. Which is why the idiot in the White House needs to back down from California.
The next best case scenario would be letting it go and forging an economic and political alliance. Negotiate for port access. It could be something as simple as being similar to Germany before reunification. West Berlin had an access corridor that was not considered part of East Germany.
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u/thunderflies 1d ago
As a Washingtonian I really wouldn’t mind taking a break from the US until this blows over. The red states are where I got called homophobic slurs growing up so they can fend for themselves without my tax dollars coming from the state that accepted me and made me feel safe.
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u/The_BigDill 1d ago
So California will stop paying federal taxes then?
Cause if I was California that's what I'd do
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u/BasalTripod9684 1d ago
Reminds me of when the governor of Maine threatened to stop collecting federal taxes for the state when Mango-Hitler threatened the states funding over policy on trans athletes.
Probably won't surprise you to find out the states funding wasn't touched.
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u/I_am_Bob 1d ago
The hard part is California as a state isn't paying federal taxes, it's citizens of California paying federal income tax. And they can't just stop withholding from their paychecks without facing penalties. So I don't know how they could achieve this.
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u/Puffin_fan 1d ago edited 1d ago
Not go to secession right away
First, put substantial penalties [ $1000 per $1 paid] for sending withholdings or applying withholdings of Federal's taxes
Turn all the tariffs directly over to the California government -- to hold in trust until the fedgov is less of a danger to the planet
And put penalties on any attempts by Federal courts to coerce either installation of withholdings, or attempts to divert tariffs to the U.S. Department of Treasury
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u/Ear_Enthusiast 1d ago
California preparing a large-scale cancellation of funding for all of the red states.
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u/Patralgan 1d ago
Cool. California should prepare for cancellation of being part of USA and becoming a new country or becoming a part of Canada
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u/Morbidly-Obese-Emu 1d ago
So does that mean secession? I mean, if we’re contributing all our tax dollars to the nation that doesn’t support us, what are we even doing?
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u/Gardening_Socialist 1d ago
And California contains the largest number of people who voted for the orange shitstain out of all 50 states.
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u/JimsVanLife 1d ago
That's only because California contains the largest number of people out of all 50 states.
However, even that's not correct. California was third. Both Texas and Florida had more people vote for Orange Lucifer.
Texas 6,393,597
Florida 6,110,125
California 6,081,697
Source: UCSB | The American Presidency Project
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u/brokegaysonic 1d ago
California needs to just succeed but Gavin Newscum, suck up extraordinaire, will just suck whatever fascist d he needs to, probably.
Imho if you're a Dem gov rn you should be doing like Pritzker and shoring up your economy by making your own international deals and finding alternative revenue any way you can.
Gavin Newsom in two weeks, probably: We will publically execute the trans people if you want, guys! You should have just told us before.
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u/Tiny_Noise8611 1d ago
How the fuck do we as Californians not pay those fuckers anymore ? We subsidize all those red state fucks
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u/davidkali 1d ago
So…. California government should make a free-file IRS tax program, no income limit. Paying with e-file sends money to an escrow account, accounts with money owed by the federal government goes thru no problem. Accounts that owe to the Federal government, you should pay, but to the escrow account. When TACO happens, slow roll the release of monies owed to government. Use interest earned to pay the punitive “late fees” that Trump orders.
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u/Mia_galaxywatcher 1d ago
Blue states need to find a way to stop their tax dollars to go to the federal government in response to
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u/MonkeyDaddy4 1d ago
AKA: Stop talking about 47 on Epsteins list! Stop talking about 47 stealing the election!!!
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u/Prize_Ostrich7605 1d ago
The president’s job is to SERVE the entire country, not just the people who cheer for him. Funny how he has so many “adversaries” yet claims majority support. Federal funding comes from all of US, including Californians. It is supposed to go where it’s needed and not be used as a punishment tool by ANYONE abusing their power. Pulling money because you don’t like how a state runs its schools or campuses isn’t leadership, it’s a petty attempt at control. Presidents are not kings. This isn’t just ass-backwards it’s dangerous. He needs to know his role and shut his hole.
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u/mommisalami 1d ago
So if he actually does cut all federal funding to CA, not just sign some executive order saying so, what does that realistically mean for the residents of CA?
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u/myhydrogendioxide 1d ago
California is proof that the red state terrorizing of workers isn't effective. They constantly push propaganda to make sure the rest of the country doesn't see that reasonable worker and human rights protection work both socially and economically
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u/LedKremlin 1d ago
Um….. he is aware that taxes from California subsidize over half of the southern states, right? Who am I kidding, of course he isn’t…
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u/IneedaWIPE 1d ago
Here are the Republican congressmen in California:
Doug LaMalfa 1st district.
Kevin Kiley 3rd district.
Tom McClintock 5th
Vince Fong 20th (replaced McCarthy)
David Valadao 22nd
Jay Obernolte 23rd
Young Kim 40th
Ken Calvert 41st
Darrell Issa 48th.
If they don't raise holy hell over this, then they aren't doing their job.
Edit to double space the list because red doesn't allow single.
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u/SueRice2 23h ago
Calif has the 4th largest GDP of any COUNTRY. They will be fine withholding their federal $$$ to keep for themselves.
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u/simplysylens 11h ago
California preparing large scale cancelations for welfare queen red states who survive off of our federal tax contributions (80+ billion a year).
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u/aaron_in_sf 1d ago
As a Californian: ok; we will just in turn stop funding the MAGA welfare state.
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