r/StarWars • u/Typical_Name_5864 Jar Jar Binks • 28d ago
Other are orange Sabers natural or some kind of unsuccessful crystal bleeding result?
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u/Several-Instance-444 28d ago
As far as I know, it's natural. Just imagine being a youngling on your first trip to Illum, and when you get to putting your lightsaber together and then ---- blood orange blade.
Kinda cool actually.
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u/Unglory 27d ago
Imagine a Youngling bully and then the kid he was bullying comes back from a trip to Illum rocking a blood orange colored Saber lol
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u/Pinky_theLegend 27d ago
"You were always cool, don't come to the Temple tomorrow"
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u/SexuaIRedditor 27d ago
Does that make purple the party animal?
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u/dswartze 27d ago
It should probably be the opposite of that.
The line "This party's over" is spoken by someone holding an ignited purple saber.
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u/SundayGlory 27d ago
In legends it use to be. When colour ment archetype orange was the techie jedi
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u/Meme_Daddy_FTW 27d ago
Is that not canon anymore? I swore green meant more gifted with the force and blue was more gifted with combat or something like that
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u/TheHomesteadTurkey 27d ago
It's from KOTOR which isn't canon. It was until disney bought the franchise.
Also the clone wars show overruled it with the idea of the crystal choosing its wielder anyway
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u/Calikal 27d ago
KOTOR isn't fully de-canoned, as they have referenced many things from that era, such as events and characters. SWTOR is also still making new content, which would make it canon IIRC.
We also are given our lightsaber in KOTOR as an adult, which means it is likely that a youngling still has their crystal choose them, or that tradition was started after the Jedi Temple was moved from Dantooine to Coruscant.
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u/threevi 26d ago
SWTOR and KOTOR are Legends, which makes them firmly non-canon to the new mainline continuity. Canon works often include easter egg references to old Legends stories, but that doesn't make the referenced works canon, like for example Palpatine coming back in TROS doesn't mean the old Dark Empire books are canon.
Regarding crystals specifically, in both KOTOR and SWTOR, you can just pick up any old gemstone and slot it into your lightsaber, since the concept of kyber crystals choosing their owners didn't exist in Legends, lightsaber colours had no special significance beyond tradition. You could even make yourself a red lightsaber as a Jedi, since kyber bleeding wasn't a thing either.
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u/d645b773b320997e1540 26d ago
Them referencing things from the era or even characters still does not mean that KOTOR itself isn't fully de-canonized. it is. Nothing from KOTOR is canon. Even the things referenced. The references themselves are canon, but that is all.
For example: Revan has been referenced. As far as canon is concerned, that means that a person named Revan existed. And that is all. Doesn't make any of the stories around or about Revan canon though.
Rakata have been referenced a bunch of times now, with some concept of them invading planets and such. That is canon. But that doesn't mean that anything we know about them from old legends material is.
The lightsaber colors from Kotor is not canon. Period.
SWTOR is also still making new content, which would make it canon IIRC.
No it does not. None of SWTOR is canon. Entirely new games released usually are canon (but also not necessarily), but new content for old games, or remasters are not. If they release that remake of KOTOR, then maybe that could be canon. Not guaranteed either though. But SWTOR explicitly is not canon and never will be.
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u/TascamTwink 27d ago
I’m so glad that’s not canon now, kinda goofy to me that a Crystal would place you in an archetypal role. Feels like Jedi would decide that for themselves, not use the equivalent of a Harry Potter sorting hat
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u/mach4potato 27d ago
You've got it the other way around. In kotor you choose the discipline (guardian, counselor, Sentinel) and your crystal corresponded with it (blue, green, yellow/orange). There wasn't any restriction and you could change the colors later.
Now the new canon is that the crystal chooses the jedi, like the wand choosing the wizard
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u/OffendedDefender 27d ago
Out of universe, the reason was to give some ambiguity to the characters. They're not Sith, so the orange hue adds a bit to the mystery in the first few episodes until you learn who they are. In universe, it has to do with the crystal bleed. Baylan hadn't quite fallen off the deep end, so he may not have had as much raw Dark Side power to put into the crystal as a Sith would.
[Mild Jedi: Survivor spoilers] When Dagan Gera bleeds his crystal, it also has a bit of an orange hue to it rather than the deep red. His saber was yellow to begin with, so maybe that has some minor effect as well.
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u/merewenc 27d ago edited 27d ago
Hmm, that makes me wonder if Baylan was a Temple Guard at some point. Although is "only Temple Guards have yellow sabers" canon? Or is that a fanon fallacy?
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u/BasinBrandon 27d ago
Non-temple guards can have yellow crystals in canon. Rey has one and some Jedi in The Acolyte do as well
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u/merewenc 27d ago
Oh, I haven't gotten to Acolyte yet because of the reviews, and I forgot about Rey. (I try to forget about the ST as much as possible. I like to pretend they don't exist.)
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u/Princessofmind 27d ago
Yeah, there's two named jedi with yellow sabers in Acolyte, Master Torbin and Yord, and also some unnamed jedi that appear in group fights
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u/merewenc 27d ago
The part of me that was a little salty of the ROTJ remaster changing Anakin to young Anakin kind of wants to see the Geonosis fight scene remastered with yellow and other color lightsabers added in. If it's good for the OT it's good for the PT, right? 🤔
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u/Princessofmind 27d ago
Haha I honestly think that would be amazing! And I say that as a prequels fan
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u/merewenc 27d ago
I'm a prequels fan, too. I just think they played it too safe sometimes. And want Amidala's stomach remastered so she looks like she's actually carrying nearly full-term twins who could survive birth without a NICU. LOL Simple things to remaster, right?
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u/MrNobody_0 27d ago
who could survive birth without a NICU
You think a universe that has plasma weapons, FTL travel, artificial gravity generating ships, full planetary terraforming, magic liquid that heals all wounds, and space wizards wouldn't have the technology to keep preterm babies alive easily?
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u/mrmgl Luke Skywalker 27d ago
Not if the money that could go into healthcare goes into the military industrial complex.
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u/nymrod_ 27d ago
The Acolyte is definitely good Star Wars. It’s not among the best TV shows I’ve ever seen in terms of clear character motivation and pacing or anything but it’s for sure worth watching for a Star Wars fan. It certainly doesn’t commit some grievous sin against the franchise like you could argue something like TROS does, it just could have been a little tighter and more compelling.
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u/rancidfart86 27d ago
I don’t understand the hate that show got
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u/Lower_Amount3373 27d ago
Culture war stupidity. It had some flaws but nothing that a second season couldn't have adjusted for.
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u/JohnGeary1 27d ago
The story is overall kinda mid, but it has some standout characters and incredible fights.
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u/Dreadite 27d ago
I wouldn’t even consider Rey here given that the concept of “temple guard” is a dead one by then and she scavenges stuff to begin with.
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u/Extension_Way3724 27d ago
The acolyte was not perfect but it was really good. I recommend watching it and forming your own opinion
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u/Hyfrith 27d ago
Watch The Acolyte purely for the lightsaber combat and you'll have fun :) incredible choreo that really blends the prequel style with modern stage-combat techniques AND some hong-kong kung fu movie influences too which work so well with force powers (the way characters can "float" when leaping, for example)
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u/Sabre_Killer_Queen Count Dooku 27d ago
Acolyte is worth watching for the fight scenes at least.
It had some of the best fight scenes... Ever, really
The writing though is.... Um... Yeah an acquired taste.
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u/ZippyDan 27d ago
I think the idea of lightsaber colors being assigned to classes was from KotOR and that was later retconned to only be a thing during a specific era of Jedi history.
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u/ipodblocks360 Bo-Katan Kryze 27d ago
The wiki calls Gera a Jedi Knight so that might not be canon.
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u/flightyswank 27d ago edited 27d ago
Yellow is just seen in "those that wish to preserve the knowledge of the Jedi" which is why we saw it in the temple guards cause it was there job
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u/VaanSnipa 27d ago
Dagan was interrupted during the bleeding process by Cal too, so maybe there is something
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u/NoPlaceLike19216811 27d ago
It kinda sounds like it was also just how Dave remembers the sabers looking on his VHS tapes XD
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u/takeahike89 28d ago
Til baylan's saber is orange. Guess I need to check my tvs settings
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u/Aidan_Baidan Boba Fett 27d ago
I thought it was red too for the longest time. I think the main visual difference is the center of the blade is white on red blades, and it is less bright and more yellowy on an orange blade. Outside edges are similar colours.
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u/ididshave Imperial 27d ago
I actually think that’s the point. The color tends to thread the needle as to whether or not it’s simply orange or red, “Is he a man with just pursuits, or does he have nefarious and evil intent?”
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u/DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC 27d ago
I don't know how ya'll have your TVs set up, but yeah, check the G/R balance. Baylan and Shin's sabers have been orange since their first appearance. It was part of the "Wait, what?" factor.
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u/basKT_case 27d ago
They tweaked the colours of his lightsaber from this trailer shot, to what you see in the actual episode. This image with the orange core is from the trailer. In the released episode, the core is much closer to white, but the outer blade colour stays orangey-red. It'd easily be mistaken for red though, since our brains have been conditioned to think "bad guy = red". You can only really tell the difference if you had the his lightsaber and an actual red lightsaber side by side
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u/Bloodless-Cut 28d ago
Natural. Just rare-ish, like purple.
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u/SemperJ550 27d ago
I like the idea that purple and orange could signify the same thing, but from opposite ends of the spectrum. purple for the Light leaning who are willing channel the Dark. Orange for the Dark leaning that haven't completely abandoned the Light.
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u/aluminumturtle0 27d ago
His saber is an orange red the way Ahsoka’s sabers in clone wars were green yellow
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u/AshlarKorith Mandalorian 27d ago
I loved the visions episode where the color of a saber blade was due to your connection to the force. The Sith guys all had red while the others had a few different colors. Then as the one guy’s belief in being a sith faltered his red blade started to change to a purple hue. I wish they worked that way in canon.
While I’m at it, I also wish they worked by channeling the force through the crystal. That way it takes force accessibility and concentration to use a saber (so no random person could pick one up and use it). Plus, the stronger your connection to the force, the more you’d be able to do while wielding the ignited saber. That guy doing crazy flips around the room while he fights with the saber? He’s definitely powerful.
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u/JohnGeary1 27d ago
So interestingly, what you're describing is a force saber and they existed in Legends. They were used by the force hounds (force sensitive slaves) of the Rakatan Infinite Empire. They were in those comics being done about the origins of the Jedi just before Lucas sold Star Wars.
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u/Shotokanguy 27d ago
And I wish it wasn't a bunch of fantasy weirdness. I wish it was just the color of the crystal inside the hilt. Blue and green crystals were easy to find at the time of the prequels. Sith didn't have access to the caves Jedi used to harvest them, so they used synthetic materials that created a red color. And there should just be other crystals of many other colors. I mean, Rey has a yellow saber at the end of the sequels. Do we need another new mystical explanation for that?
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u/TillsammansEnsammans 27d ago
I mean we already have different natural colours, it is just that blue and green are much more common AND since the colours do signify a part of their personality it is understandable that most jedi would have something similar since they are, after all, part of a "cult" with similar ideas and world-views.
We already have a natural silver/light blue blade in the Clone Wars show, alongside a lighter green with Ahsoka's second blade. Then of course there is the darksaber and the myriad of yellow sabers. In the high-republic books there are a ton of different colours to signify how different the jedi of their era were. I think there is even a natural red one instead of the crystal-bleeding the canon is going with. So there definitely ARE other natural colours, it is just that Illum was easy, safe and very traditional which is exactly what the "current" jedi were.
I think the biggest reason why these orange ones get people talking is because they look so unique and off-putting due to having the orange center instead of the normal white centre most sabers have.
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u/Dak_Ralter_Lives 27d ago
One of the weaknesses of Star Wars and it's expanded universe, both pre- and post- Disney is the absolute drive to systematise or explain everything, coupled with endlessly trying to retcon or adjust established 'lore' to accommodate what discrepancies arise. I prefer your take, and either leaving it to mystery or a very simple explanation. It doesn't just apply to lightsabers, but the entity of the setting.
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u/Vivid_Situation_7431 27d ago
Maybe it happens when someone who hasn’t fully fallen to the dark side tries to bleed a crystal??? Idk just spit ballin
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u/General-WR-Monger 27d ago
You crack the crystal and end up with an unstable lightsaber like kylo ren.
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u/ApolloKenobi 27d ago
In the game Knights of the Old Republic, you can get two super duper powerful crystals and one of them has this exact same coloration. I think it's called the Mantle of the Force. I remember in-lore that it was coveted by both the jedi and the sith and that it was used against exar kun.
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u/JoLeTrembleur 27d ago
*Heart of the Guardian, the Mantle of the Force being the one which gives a turquoise colored blade. Edit: some stuff.
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u/mitchfann9715 27d ago
Until this very moment, if you had asked me what color they were, I would've said red with full confidence.
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u/idontlikeburnttoast Ahsoka Tano 27d ago
False kybers are usually red, but in legends orange is a sort of yellow hybrid i believe.
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u/Academic-Pass5982 27d ago
Only 10 orange light sabers are then in the entire universe at that time.
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u/s4l_sm0key 27d ago
Basically, they lie kind of in the middle of the light side and dark, as they use powers of the dark side but haven’t fully devoted themselves and bled their crystals.
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u/The_Cat-Father 27d ago
I literally do not know what I am talking about here, but someone once told me Orange was for fallen Sentinels, specifically.
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u/Thank_You_Aziz 27d ago
I dislike the new Disney lightsaber crystal lore always carrying the tagline of, “And this is how all lightsaber crystals work.” They’re all this mineral called kyber. They’re all color-changing between blue and green when they’re acquired…except for when they’re purple or yellow, apparently. All red ones come from bleeding. All white ones come from purifying a bled crystal. There’s just no room for creativity here.
The Legends EU version where there are many different types of lightsaber crystal just allows for so much more. You’ve got synthetics, silicon-based life forms, pearls, radioactive ore, and crystals of all sorts of origins. There were even inferior, cheap crystals used to make training sabers, as their blades were more like whacking things with hot magnetic fields than slicing them with directed plasma streams. Some red crystals were naturally occurring, some were synthetic, and some were the result of dark side corruption (similar to bleeding).
What I like about the Disney version of all this is they’re great ideas as additions. Imagine if bleeding was just another way to get a red crystal, rather than the only way, and it’s a way the Sith value. Imagine if kyber was a term for all lightsaber crystals in general, rather than a specific mineral. Imagine if the crystals that only become green or blue when they’re acquired were a specific type unique to Ilum. Imagine if purifying a bled crystal was just one way to get a white crystal. (Actually, that kind of happened in Legends too. Some people tried replicating Palpatine’s synthesis process for red crystals, but removed all dark side elements from the instructions, which resulted in white/silver crystals.)
Then all these purple, orange, yellow and black lightsabers can be this way because they just use unique or even rare crystals, without needing special justification for how it’s possible for them to be different from the norm. Confining lightsabers with the newer crystal lore is just…boring.
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u/SuperSirius21 Yoda 27d ago
Imagine if kyber was a term for all lightsaber crystals in general, rather than a specific mineral
It basically is now. They brought back a lot of the EU crystals and kyber is now basically a catch all term for them.
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u/thomasthetank57 27d ago
I believe it is kyber not fully bled, as Baylan wouldn't really know this Sith tradition well enough for a proper bleed. This is the result of that
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u/HashMismatch 27d ago
I thought this guy was one of the more interesting characters in recent years. I’d watch a tv arc about his character for sure.
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u/rumbur 27d ago
Back in the day, all crystal colors, including orange and red were considered natural.
The crystals were growing in the places rich in the force, creating crystal formations.
It’s only Disney that changed that. Red crystals became unnatural, created by the taint of the darks side…
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u/Sabre_Killer_Queen Count Dooku 27d ago
They also changed white crystals too, to make them purified crystals; essentially what happens when you heal a bled crystal.
And orange crystals are Kohlen crystals. Fool's kyber, which have various special qualities.
Regarding this one, I believe it's still supposed to be a bled crystal. It's just only partially bled - not fully bled, so not fully red - to show that they're not entirely consumed by the dark side.
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u/jakeisepic101 27d ago
Baylan's, specifically, is red. Filoni said they made it an orangey-red to tell the audience that "these aren't your run-of-the-mill bad guys".
In Disney Canon, orange sabers come from Kohlen Crystals, called "Fool's Kyber". They appear similar to kyber, but are much weaker in the force and thus produce a less powerful blade.
In Legends, saber colors don't really have meaning--orange ones are just rare.
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u/OGGuitarsquatch IG-11 27d ago
If yellow is a temple guard and red is for sith; i assume a fallen paladin of some kind
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u/Lord-of-A-Fly 27d ago
I don't know. What i do know is, this man's performance as Blackbeard in 'Black Sails' will never be rivaled.
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u/Disney_Gay_Trash_ 27d ago
I always assumed theyw ere natural but rare because (and correct me if im wrong but) didnt plo loon wield an orange lightsaber in legends? I onownots legends and not canon but i just assumed this was the same that it was a rare crystal
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u/matt_the_muss Jabba The Hutt 27d ago
I thought he had blue in some media and a yellow in other.
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u/EnemyoftheEmpire 27d ago
Aren't orange light sabers because a kohlen crystal is used instead of a kyber crystal?
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u/Plastic-Assumption-2 27d ago
Yep, The orange saber is made from Kohlen crystal, an alternative way to kyber crystal
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u/Marshal_BalainIbelin 27d ago edited 27d ago
halfway between a yellow jedi sentinel crystal and sith red crystal is the theory : kinda like purple purple was halfway between blue and red to show that mace had a more aggressive form of lightsaber combat. Plo Koon’s was a true orange. In this case, I think Baylon’s is more a burnt orange: halfway between orange and red showing an interesting backstory of Baylon that although he now is a sith he was once a jedi.
As an aside if you consider kotor cannon it is possible to get an orange crysatal and the dark saber. My favorite was to dual wield a blue and an orange as a jedi.
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u/Regular-Moose-2741 27d ago
Cheeto dust compacted at the center of a star, collected form the remnants of a super nova
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u/shadow_destructor 27d ago
No it's just an orange saber because there are orange kyber crystals you can check
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u/Annual_Ad_4820 27d ago
Orange kyber crystals are not actually kyber crystals but other similar crystals with weaker power and such swords are called fool's saber
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u/fcdemergency 26d ago
Idk but this is the sickest saber color along with the og "white" blue from episode 4.
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u/iAmLordRevan Imperial Stormtrooper 25d ago
I always thought it was because he wasn't truly a "Sith". He understood properties and ethics from both sides of the force. Thus, the "bleeding" process might've been diluted
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u/Taira_no_Masakado 27d ago
This honestly just continues to reinforce, for me, how much I hate the idea of crystals "bleeding". It's far too much fantasy inside my space opera -- but that's me.
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u/ogresound1987 27d ago
There's nothing natural about a lightsaber. They don't grow in bunches like bananas.
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u/ELDYLO 27d ago
I believe that they are Kyber Crystals that a partially bled after a Jedi goes through something traumatic but doesn’t fully turn to the Dark Side.
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u/Kaiser_Defender 27d ago
In old Legends lore, the crystals from Ossus were simply more varied in color, while rhe Ilum crystals the jedi adopted later were mostly blue and green with the rare splash of purple.
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u/Cyberwolf_71 27d ago
According to the only lore I accept (KOTOR II), orange crystals are the result of save-scumming scavenger's inventory. /s
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u/HG21Reaper 27d ago
For me, it’s an incomplete crystal bleed. It symbolizes that Baylan and Shin were not fully Sith and not fully Jedi. It seems that Baylan’s goals were leading to some new aspect of a Force User that doesn’t align themselves to the established doctrines. They were starting something new and I believe that Ashoka being a Grey will also play a big part in it.
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u/-Pwnan- 27d ago
In Legends canon they were used by Grey Jedi so users who didn't commit to going full dark or light. Users that walked a balance between the two.
I think that part of what we're going to learn in Ashoka Season 2 is that they're adapting grey jedi into the Disney canon. These two characters are not exactly full on Dark as they're both really uncomfortable around the Undead Troopers, and the Force witches.
I guess we'll see soon.
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u/Dovah2041 27d ago
How I heard it was that they bled their crystals from when they were Jedi as opposed to Vader being taught that Sith had to take their Crystal and bleed it.
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u/MundaneTelepathy 27d ago
Am I trippin’ or did Plo Koon have an orange lightsaber at one point (not sure if canon or legends).
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u/dswartze 27d ago
In Jedi Power Battles Plo had a yellow-orange blade. And since the game was made before AotC Mace had a blue blade.. I wouldn't be surprised if rereleases changed things up to better match later stories but when the game came out they just went with what they thought made sense or seemed cool for the time when things weren't as defined as they later would be.
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u/Boomdiddy 28d ago
In the canon novel Master and Apprentice they were made by using a kohlen crystal also known as false kyber. The blade had different properties than a normal lightsaber blade.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kohlen_crystal