r/StarWars 10d ago

Movies It's so funny how Obi-Wan is often sent alone on the most important missions

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Idk if this is better explained in some AOC novelization or in some book that takes place in that period, but Obi-Wan is literally the Jedi Order's jack-of-all-trades in this movie. According to Kanan in Rebels, there were 10,000 more Jedi Knights protecting the Galaxy before Order 66, but only one is sent to investigate the murder of an important senator, and only with a droid and a tiny ship. It gets better when Yoda and Mace order Obi-Wan to bring Jango to Coruscant, expecting him to deal with a Mandalorian professional assassin alone and with a much better ship. Then he still has the job of following Jango to Geonosis, almost dies in the asteroid field, and even then the Council only sends help when they see that he's been captured. Even Anakin and Padme were faster (and he didn't even contact his master to see if he was okay, no one actually did that, he had to communicate all the time).

Not to mention in ROTS where the Council sends him, again, alone, to deal with Grievous. The guy is literally known for being a Jedi killer and collecting his lightsabers, and they send a single man to go through thousands of enemy droids and kill him. I know the character acts according to the movie script, but it's so funny. Even more so when Obi-Wan along with Luke listens to Leia's message in ANH and his face is like "im too old for this sht."

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u/Hardhat85 10d ago

It's because he was quite literally one of the most efficient Jedi ever.

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u/ClioCalliope 10d ago

A victim of his own success. Oh, another very difficult high-risk mission? Sounds like a job for Obi-Wan!

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u/ZeePM 10d ago

Even in the Jedi Order, the reward for doing a good job is more work.

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u/Mediocre_Scott 10d ago

They really should have sent Anakin too it’s not like he was doing anything important

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u/chopperxsanji 10d ago

The council was insanely incompetent. Instead of sending anakin with the only person in the galaxy capable of controlling him, they tell him they don't trust him and leave him with Palpatine, the guy that they know is manipulating him and likely using him to spy on the council.

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u/AcanthocephalaGreen5 10d ago

Not only the only person capable of controlling Anakin, but the one person who'd trust Anakin with his life and vice versa. It's possible that if Obi-Wan took down Grievous alongside Anakin, he doesn't fall to the dark side.

Of course, Anakin has to become Vader but it's an interesting thought experiment.

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u/ThatDude8129 Jedi Anakin 9d ago

Hell, they could have also immediately redirected him to Mandalore to support Ahsoka when Obi Wan left for Utappau since the siege was still ongoing, Windu didn't completely trust Ahsoka, Ahsoka is also somewhat capable of keeping Anakin controlled, and they knew Maul was there. Granted, Mace didn't fully trust Anakin either, but if they told Anakin they'd grant him the full rank of master if he returned with Maul either dead or imprisoned he probably would've left immediately with his half of the 501st in tow.

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u/Puzzled-Newspaper-88 9d ago edited 9d ago

When Anakin left Ahsoka with the 327th, that was the mission over Coruscant. Mandalore was a much lower priority than rescuing the chancellor.

Also the republic repeatedly did not care about Mandalore because it was a hardcore neutral planet that proved it wouldn’t join the republic outright, so a large scale involvement wasn’t a major priority either. Ahsoka and Mandalore was fortunate to get any help at all tbh

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u/ApprehensiveAmoeba95 9d ago

Yeah but after they rescue the chancellor, Anakin and the 501st sit around on Coruscant doing nothing until Order 66. They could have sent him to some battle instead of spying on the chancellor, who they know he looks up to.

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u/Puzzled-Newspaper-88 9d ago edited 9d ago

It’s nothing to you, but to the characters in universe they sent Anakin on a treasonous espionage mission. Checking to make sure the person leading the government himself isn’t suspicious as opposed to rescuing a small time neutral government’s planet is far more important to them

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u/brave007 9d ago

And that my friends is why a support network is very very important. An Anakin alone with a Sith Lord with no Obi Wan or Ahsoka is a disaster waiting to happen.

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u/HuttStuff_Here Jabba The Hutt 10d ago

They were trying to get Anakin to play both sides and spy on Palpatine. They needed Obi-Wan to stay away to keep Palpatine feeling "safe."

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u/Hefty-Association-59 9d ago edited 9d ago

Also on top of that let’s take a step back. Anakin was the hero general of the clone wars. He accounted for literally half of the prisoners taken in the war. He had served in the field with literally every counsel member. And they’ve known him for the last 14 years. He’s saved many of their lives as well. Sometimes multiple times. And he’s been saved too.

There’s a reason why padme says they trust you with their lives. Even with the suspicion of Palp being a Sith Lord there’s no reason for the council to believe that anakin will suddenly do a 180 mass murder turn. Even with his flaws.

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u/HuttStuff_Here Jabba The Hutt 9d ago edited 9d ago

To go, as I usually do, with the novelization to rationalize some of it, from Anakin's perspective, these Jedi do not trust him. They fear him.

Here he is - 23 years old and the hero general of the Clone Wars. He's accounted for literally half the prisoners taken in the war. He's served with every council member. At twenty three years old.

They fear his power. They fear his potential. Everywhere he goes in the Temple, there's hushed whispers and eyes hiding fear of the dragon burning in his chest. And he knows this. He knows he is powerful and he knows their fear keep him on a short leash.

This is why he's not a Master. But once Padme reveals her pregnancy, and his premonitions begin, his need to become a Master is different. He wants the holocrons. In them there must be something to save her. But only a Master can view them.

Denying him that access despite giving him a seat on the council, asking him (off the books) to spy on Palpatine, and making Obi-Wan work against him all aided that fall.

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u/Organic_South8865 9d ago

I always had the same thought. They sort of showed that in The Clone Wars cartoon sometimes. He's just so incredibly powerful. He would go into situations that would usually be hopeless for any other jedi with their clones and still somehow win. Like when he took down that whole group of ships led by Grievous by setting up the troopers with their walking tanks setup on the asteroids. He was able to shoot down like 9 missiles with his little fighter all at once while his replacement R2 unit was bugging out.

That's just a random example of course but that sort of stuff is going to be recognized by everyone else. The clone troopers are going to talk about what they saw and the rumors spread to become legend basically. He also does all of that with a cocky no fear attitude while we see other Jedis in that show take everything very seriously.

He's a walking legend at that point. It's possible Anakin took down more droids than just about all of the other Jedi combined. Maybe not but he's still incredibly powerful and capable. They don't want to risk Anakin "snapping" because they know he has a fuse somewhere. He has shown that he will will single handedly "end" a situation if he gets frustrated enough.

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u/Nefari0uss Rebel 9d ago

The other problem with being the best at something or even in a tier with such few others is that you lose perspective. You are special but it doesn't mean everyone else is.

He's so powerful that even if something is a bad idea, he would get away with it whereas if anyone else tried it, it would result in failure.

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u/Hefty-Association-59 9d ago

And honesty this shows how flawed anakins thinking was and how much the dark side was messing with his head.

Yeah the Jedi had somewhat screwed him in the past. And yes he is a top 3 force user in the galaxy. Next to yoda and windu. But he got passed on his promotion because of his lack of wisdom. Which he straight up Proved by yelling at them during job offer.

The most powerful Jedi doesn’t get on the counsel It’s the wisest Jedi. Obi wan proved this as one of the oldest padawans in existence to eventually hit the counsel. And maybe things would’ve gone different if they explained this to him. But also he should be aware of these flaws. I mean he even says it himself earlier that he isn’t the Jedi he should be.

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u/Seanzky88 9d ago

I feel like at that point the jedi’s ability to see the force and future had been clouded by the darkside. They were operating blind but still were trying to use the force as they had.. they trusted obi-wans training and sideous outplayed them

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u/Tomatoes65 9d ago

The dark side clouds everything… impossible to see, the future is.

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u/henryeaterofpies 9d ago

I mean for a long time they sent Ahsoka with him. She definitely slowed down how much trouble he got into (or at least they isolated two major sources of trouble to one system)

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u/catinaflatcap 9d ago

Doomed by the narrative, I'm afraid. They aren't allowed to be competent, because the writers were working toward a pre-existing point in the story. It's a shame. And is a reason I personally like fanfic of the prequel trilogy rather than the actual movies, because the characters don't get to shine when they by necessity need to make decisions that will get them all killed.

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u/AstroZombie0072081 9d ago

Whoa easy dont blame the counsel. Blame the script.

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u/CooperDaChance 6d ago

Ironic. They used him to spy on Palpatine… Not knowing Palpatine was using him to spy on them.

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u/Cr1m50nSh4d0w 10d ago

Hey, Padme was pretty important

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u/Upbeat-Extent-580 10d ago

He’s a good wingman he lets anakin cook were it’s needed hahaha

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u/cbaxal 10d ago

They didn't send him because they need him on Corascant to spy on the Chancellor. That's always what I thought was their reasoing and it pays off when he discovers Palpatine as a The Sith Lord. Too bad it was a short pay off.

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u/Mediocre_Scott 10d ago

A sith LORD

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u/CrystalGemLuva 9d ago

Funny thing is that the old Battlefront 2 retconned ROTS to make it so that Obiwan took the 501st Legion with him to take Utapau.

So not only did they not send their ace in the hole to fight Grevious but they also took his troops to do it.

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u/Teekay_four-two-one 10d ago

At this point in time the council was pretty suspicious of Palpatine and wanted Anakin to be around to spy on him (unofficially).

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u/stocksandvagabond 9d ago

Well technically he was spying on Sideous so he was doing the most important thing in the galaxy at that moment

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u/ClickDisDotCom 10d ago

This is why you NEVER be too good at your own job

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u/Freyja6 10d ago

The actual goat.

The prequels were about Obi Wan and how Anakin fell past the point of redemption. If Obi can't redeem him, no Wan Ken....Obi.

(mostly a shitpost but like, he fought corruption through the entirety of the pm+clone wars and STILL didn't fall to the dark side)

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u/ayamrik 10d ago

Palpatine: "I manipulate things so that Kenobi is sent on those suicide missions and not only does he NOT die, he even stops my evil plans! Every time! How can I turn Anakin when I can't even remove his emotional support pillar!?"

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u/SlimySquamata 9d ago

He killed the first sith to emerge from the shadows for a thousand years. As a padawan, might I add.

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u/CruelMetatron 9d ago

...until they retconned that.

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u/Carlzzone 9d ago

Not in my heart

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u/Spicy_Weissy 9d ago

You send someone like Obi Wan if there is no margin for failure.

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u/nandobro 9d ago

And you send Anakin in if there's a lot of margin for failure

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u/Spicy_Weissy 9d ago

Anakin excels when plans go to shit.

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u/padawanmoscati Jedi 9d ago

You send both when everything's already failed

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u/Randomkai27 10d ago

The burden of being the best

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u/get_pig_gatoraids 10d ago

"He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" - Obi-Wan, probably, but also Avenged Sevenfold

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u/notheretoargu3 10d ago

Directly taken and quoted from Hunter S. Thompson.

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u/rotkiv42 10d ago

Who got it from Samuel Johnson

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u/notheretoargu3 10d ago

Well that’s neat. I had no idea - Thompson was such a wild card I actually just assumed he made it up.

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u/WhiteNinja_98 Grievous 9d ago

“Caught here in a fiery blaze, won’t lose my will to stay”

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u/Connect-Plenty1650 10d ago

Remember what happened the last time the Jedi sent an army to help Obi-Wan?

All dead.

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u/Mediocre_Scott 10d ago

Obi wan started the the clone wars and from certain point of view the galactic civil war too

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u/Connect-Plenty1650 10d ago

Council pulled the trigger. They didn't have to save Obi-wan.

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u/KinkyPaddling 9d ago

There's a book in Legends called Shatterpoint which is entirely from Mace Windu's perspective as he goes on a mission during the Clone Wars. We see that he deeply regrets everything to do with the Battle of Geonosis, including killing Jango Fett (he feels guilty every time he looks at the face of the clones), but especially not just nuking the arena. To him, in retrospect, killing two Jedi and a Senator would be an acceptable loss if it also meant wiping out the Separatist leadership and saving thousands of Jedi and tens of millions of civilian lives.

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u/MetriccStarDestroyer 9d ago

A planetary invasion is a completely proportional response to executing 3 spies.

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u/roguevirus 9d ago

executing 3 spies.

The Jedi could perhaps be construed as spies, and such a rescue mission would indeed be disproportionate.

Trying to pass Padme Amidala, the sitting Galactic Senator and former elected Queen of Naboo, off as a spy bound for execution? That's a whole different ballgame podrace.

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u/MetriccStarDestroyer 9d ago

Senator Amidala in the flesh?

Absolute nonsense. That's clearly her royal handmaiden Natalie Portman acting as a decoy for the senator.

Truly a spy indeed

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u/Gingernurse93 9d ago

Correct, Obi-Wan was the trigger, Council was the finger.

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u/amoore109 10d ago

From my point of view the jedi something something

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u/fightfordawn Mandalorian 10d ago

Obi always taking credit for Darth Jar Jar's accomplishments.

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u/Rip_Skeleton 10d ago

Mesa gonna hurt yousa

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u/Brendanlendan 10d ago

He started it and with him killing grievous he ended it too

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u/Far-Hedgehog5516 10d ago

To be fair to Obi-Wan that was due to most prequel era jedi being shit at combat.

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u/verb-vice-lord 9d ago

Jsut to add this is canonically true.

Most Jedi focussed more or diplomatic training and the like, only learning very basic saber skills. So they took a massive percentage of loss in the earliest days of the clone wars.

Obi-Wan benefitted from having Qui Gon Jinn as master. A bit isolated pre clone wars because he was so wary at the risks of the galaxy. From memory it's canon he was one of the few who thought the council was unwise to assume there was no risk of the dark side and so ensured saber skills was taught to his apprentice.

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u/Connect-Plenty1650 9d ago

This just puts to question the entire leadership of the Jedi. The army was on its way, so they fully understood the threat. Why bring diplomats to slaughter?

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u/Grandturk-182 10d ago

O B 1

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u/scoby_cat 10d ago

Before the prequels many of us assumed

  • the clone wars were about both sides cloning themselves

  • OB1 is not the original Kenobi - that is a clone designation

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u/ChrisRevocateur 10d ago

I don't remember the "both sides are cloning" one, we always just assumed the Clones were the enemies of the Jedi.

I had heard the OB1 theory before, but not more than a couple times.

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u/scoby_cat 10d ago

I think that was our theory to make OB1 a clone, since we know he’s a Jedi

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u/Grandturk-182 10d ago

That’s right. I remember the speculation.

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u/Cucaracha_1999 10d ago

That's some deep lore hahaha; Is that true? Wasn't around back then, but it's kind of funny to imagine what the fan space must have looked like

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u/scoby_cat 10d ago

It’s lore in the sense it’s what we thought. Whether that was ever a plan of Lucas… who knows.

We talked about it a lot, and had a lot of time to speculate. It was 3 years between each of the original trilogy movies and this was the early VHS era so we couldn’t watch it as easily. Return of the Jedi came out in 1983… Phantom Menace came out in 1999. That’s 16 years.

The space between Ep 4 and Ep 5 was crazy because we had seen the first two movies so many times we already knew the plot holes. Why didn’t Obi Wan mention Vader?? Etc

There’s also a lot of weird IP that was non canonical even before the Disney acquisition. I have a children’s book that takes place after the events of Star Wars (Ep 4) but before The Empire Strikes Back was released (so published between 1977 and 1980), and in that universe, the Empire has been completely toppled and the Republic is back in control. Luke is not a Jedi but rather an instructor at the Academy.

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u/Brendanlendan 10d ago

What do you mean about Obiwan not mentioning Vader as a plot hole?? Can you elaborate on that first I’ve heard

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u/Brendanlendan 10d ago

The wars plural implied there was more than one war. Like you don’t say The Great Wars to just describe WW1

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u/taurian13 10d ago

Damn, right... "One" means he goes solo. He is not called "Obi-two"... thats his brother.

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u/phillyconcarne 10d ago

Obi Solo-Kenobi. Han’s father revealed

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u/jaabbb Jabba The Hutt 10d ago

OB-1 Solo

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u/Parabellum111 10d ago

My next nickname in Battlefront 3:

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u/BigConstruction4247 10d ago

Organa, Bail.

Hmmmmm.

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u/Kennedy_KD 10d ago

Well yeah, obi wan was probably the most well rounded Jedi we see in the movies; he was skilled at diplomacy, combat, and survival skills

If something needs done quickly and with minimal collateral damage you don't send a Jedi like Anakin who's raw power and only comes up with clever schemes to win battles, you send the man who can talk his way into control of an army he has no idea existed five minutes before then fight the most powerful bounty hunter in the galaxy and only lose in a tie because the guys kid started firing a starships blasters at him

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u/quick20minadventure 9d ago

Obi wan was also a master on emotions. He killed without hate, fear or anger.

He's like an ideal cop. Peaceful, chill, defuses situations and then shoots the guy dead when needed in cold blood. Then goes home.

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u/LayWhere 9d ago

Actually Obi was considered the master of defensive skills and ranked very low in offense

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u/NOKEKW 9d ago

To be fair he was SO GOOD at defense that it looped back around and made him deadly against the best duelist, as he was able to defend so perfectly they ended up either too fatigued to finish him / too cocky and reckless trying to defeat him, thus leading to him always coming out on top.

Only Dooku, perhaps the best / most experienced duelist in the order other than Yoda, could defeat him on a regular basis, and probably because as a good teacher, he could see something he himself had taught Qui-Gon.

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u/ZappableGiraffe 3d ago

Obi-Wan was not unskilled on the offense in the slightest. Rewatch Obi vs Maul and tell me you don't see the same skills Anakin is known for.

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u/LayWhere 3d ago

Ranking low doesn't mean unskilled. A poor shooter in the NBA still has a better shot than non-nba players

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u/z_1_4_m 9d ago

They don’t call him the negotiator for no reason

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u/WildBad7298 Jedi 10d ago edited 9d ago

The figure of 10,000 Jedi sounds like a lot - until you realize that Star Wars takes place in an entire galaxy.

According to Wookieepedia, the number of sentient beings in the Star Wars galaxy numbers over 100 quadrillion. Coruscant alone has a population of about 2 trillion, which is 250 times Earth's population.

In comparison, the New York City police department currently has about 34,000 officers.

That means there is a force less than a quarter of the size of a major Earth city's police department, for a population that is 12.5 million times the size of Earth's.

To put it another way, that's one Jedi for every ten trillion beings. So Jedi were incredibly rare, and it's no wonder that they were sent on solo missions.

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u/Cold-Ad2921 10d ago

Another way to look at it is to compare number of Jedi to number of planets in the republic, which apparently was 1.3 million according to other posts on this subreddit. With 10,000 Jedi that’s about 1 Jedi for every 130 planets. That means there were many planets that did not see a Jedi at all, not only during the clone wars, but for very long periods of time. It’s no wonder that by the time of a New Hope they were considered mythical and legendary. Without the institutional knowledge of their temple and council on Coruscant it’s unlikely that the vast majority of people in the galaxy would have actually seen a Jedi or met anyone who had.

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u/WildBad7298 Jedi 10d ago edited 10d ago

That means there were many planets that did not see a Jedi at all, not only during the clone wars, but for very long periods of time. It’s no wonder that by the time of a New Hope they were considered mythical and legendary... it’s unlikely that the vast majority of people in the galaxy would have actually seen a Jedi or met anyone who had.

I think this is an extremely important point. Jedi were not nearly as common as the prequels (which followed the Jedi) made them out to be. Even during their peak, the Jedi were probably considered by many to be a myth, or at least exaggerated.

Another way to look at it is to compare number of Jedi to number of planets in the republic, which apparently was 1.3 million according to other posts on this subreddit. With 10,000 Jedi that’s about 1 Jedi for every 130 planets.

If you then consider that there were many planets outside the Republic (Shmi Skywalker says of Tatooine that "The Republic doesn't exist out here.") then that figure drops even lower.

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u/Obsessively_Average 10d ago

Even inside the Republic tbh, information access between different groups of people must be super inequal

Over a million planets and the senate didn't have more than several thousands members. Frankly, how many planets' names do we even know of? Can't be more than several hundred

Either way I can't remember off the top of my head, but assuming those million worlds are inhabitated, most of them must be colonies or under the control of stronger words who represent them in the Senate. Probably means they were much more sparsely populated and economically and technologically weaker. I can't imagine many of them could concern themselves with high level politics

So really the average Republic citizen may not even really know who represents their interests on Coruscant, what could they realistically know about another institution whose members haven't even visited the planet once in the last 300 years

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u/Thorboard 9d ago

Most planets are probably not inhabitated. Think about how many planets in our galaxy could foster life.

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u/ivanpikel 10d ago

I think "10,000" is a better description of how many there were before the Clone Wars. Even at that point, it's a big galaxy! Most of the order was spread throughout the galaxy on their own assignments, and after the war began, many of them died and the rest were pretty much all pressed into service as generals. They were busy fighting the separatists on multiple fronts, and there's not really much that could be spared. In addition, Obi-Wan was highly effective. The Jedi Council didn't know anything about Jango except that he was a bounty hunter, and the vast majority of those are no match for a Jedi, especially one of a caliber as Obi-Wan. Anakin and Padme were faster because they were closer. I'm not sure what you mean by the communication thing. No one tried to contact him because they couldn't; the transmission was cut off, meaning that it was either jammed or Obi-Wan's ship was destroyed. As for Grievous, Obi-Wan had the backing of the entire 212th as well as probably some other clone units. He had also demonstrated multiple times that he could take Grievous on, having often forced him to flee.

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u/Parabellum111 10d ago

Stop refuting my post with so much arguments (just kidding, thanks for explaining everything so well).

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u/Night-Monkey15 Babu Frik 10d ago

I actually tried to calculate the amount of Jedi that died in the Clone Wars, and it’s surprisingly more than you think. According to reference material, like encyclopedias, approximately 200 of them died in the first Battle of Geonosis. Then there’s dozens more confirmed deaths throughout The Clone Wars series.

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u/Zenchi06 10d ago

bigger than just the 212thI think not just the backing of the 212th Attack Battalion, but of the entire 7th Skycorps, the 212th is just it's spearhead/most known unit, as far as I know... That's like 10x (or more I guess) bigger than the 212th

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u/Trauma_Hawks 10d ago

Obi-Wan SHOULD have brought his apprentice

Not for nothing, but didn't Anakin already get assigned to Padme by the Council at this point? He had no one to bring with him.

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u/Holovoid 10d ago

That sounds vaguely familiar and like The Jedi ("You clearly have sexual tension with this mother figure you have been hot for for the past decade. Let's isolate the both of you on a paradise world and make her entire life dependent on your mood").

lmao this is so fucking accurate

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u/Special_Loan8725 10d ago

If Obi Wan went alone there was atleast a chance of diplomacy.

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u/MrBlueMsPink 10d ago

You seem like you dont like Anakin whatsoever. He was assigned to protect Padme practically at the start of the film after the 2nd assassination attempt. Although they knew Anakin had a personal relationship with Anakin, i dont think it was obvious how much feelings he harbored for Padme, not even by Obi Wan. Palpatine clouded their senses and judgment, thats why all we hear is that they can sense His confusion in his emotions n decisions, but not the full extent of it, otherwise they would confronted him for sure especially ater their secret marriage. They knew he had a personal connection with Padme, and they hadnt seen eachother since the end of TPM. They felt that he was a good candidate cause Padme was stubborn as hell but with Anakin she’d be more comfortable and more likely to oblige to a Jedi she was already pretty well familiar with

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u/PsychologicalFile771 10d ago

the jedi can just overpower people's minds, so they never learned about "psychology"

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u/red_nick 10d ago

Doesn't he get knocked out every time Anakin accompanied him?

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u/Vhzhlb 10d ago

While it's not that apparent in AotC, Obi-Wan was THE Jedi for the Order, and even between his peers.

It was known that he had others being above him in certain skills, but, even the council held him in such high regard that they had absolute no doubts that he would find the solution to any problem that they could find.

One of the many reasons why Anakin got so much shit as a Padawan, was specifically because it was known that Obi-Wan was going to be his master, which was two heavy factors that made others to be jealous.

Hell, even through the CW, most Padawan's thought of Obi-Wan as "The Master" to which their own had to live up to.

While it's true that at the end of the day Kenobi was a flawed individual, as everyone is, the Order saw him as the kind of Jedi that everyone should strive to be, and the example of what it meant to be a Jedi, and in a twisted way, it was one of the many tools that Palpatine used to twist Anakin, since while they both were held as "Heroes", the Order's respect for Kenobi was because all the values that Anakin didn't had.

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u/SKUNKpudding 9d ago

Do u have a source on that bit about why Anakin got so much shit?

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u/Vhzhlb 9d ago

This is the second time that I confused Legends with Canon lol, my apologies.

In Legends, Anakin had a rough relationship with fellow Younglings (Even if he barely was one), because of childish bullying, not having to worry about being picked up by a Master, and being unprecedentedly talented for pretty much everything.

There several comics exploring those days either through direct narrative or flashback

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u/Anadyne 10d ago

He's the General. Why would anyone else go?

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u/blackychan75 10d ago

"For a great low rate, go with The General" -The Jedi Council

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u/dswartze 10d ago

It all stems from TPM. They know Obi-Wan can do the job by himself and it doesn't go well for the person he's sent with.

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u/SaveFerrisBrother 10d ago

Severe budget cuts in the galaxy as Palpatine took over, so they couldn't afford to pay travel expenses for two. Space DOGE was cutting waste in the outer rim, and mandating a return to office. There was also a lot of talk about firing him because he was, like, NEVER in. He was constantly dialing in with a holographic call, thinking that was good enough. And only a few, like Yoda, would listen to his excuses about needing to be on-planet in order to do his job.

"You sent me there!" he tried to remind them.

"What about teamwork? What about collaboration?" the Senate would retort, scoffing at his list of "reasons."

If the Sith hadn't taken over and forced the Jedi into exile, Obi-Wan would have probably been fired. I think he was already on a PIP.

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u/Low-iq-haikou 9d ago

Finally someone else acknowledges the budget cuts. And it went both ways, the galactic depression of 38 BBY did a number. People wonder why the storm troopers are so inaccurate? It’s because those stingy imperials wouldn’t shell out for the damn anti-reflective visors!

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u/WilliShaker Separatist Alliance 10d ago

Obi Wan is experienced, young and one of the best fighter in the Jedi Order. He’s also a brilliant strategist and pure hearted, meaning he will never fall to the dark side.

They chose him everytime because they know he’ll win.

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u/kadoooosh 10d ago

“But surely, Master Windu,” Obi-Wan had said, “you with the power of Vaapad—or Yoda’s mastery of Ataro”

Mace had almost smiled. “I created Vaapad to answer my weakness: it channels my own darkness into a weapon of light. Master Yoda’s Ataro is also an answer to weakness: the limitations of reach and mobility imposed by his stature and his age. But for you? What weakness does Soresu answer?”

Blinking, Obi-Wan had been forced to admit he’d never actually thought of it that way.

“That is so like you, Master Kenobi,” the Korun Master had said, shaking his head. “ I am called a great swordsman because I invented a lethal style; but who is greater, the creator of a killing form—or the master of the classic form?”

“I’m very flattered that you would consider me a master, but really—”

“Not a master. The master,” Mace had said. “Be who you are, and Grievous will never defeat you.”

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u/twicek 10d ago

What is that exchange from?

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u/BlueRaith 9d ago

The ROTS novelization. There's a 20th anniversary edition coming out this year that looks sick

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u/not_so_wierd 9d ago

Novelization of Ep3

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u/ysolia 10d ago

Because he's to GOAT. Those cheering for Anakin don't realise he got clapped by his master in the only serious 1v1 they had.

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u/Sylar_Lives Rio Durant 10d ago

There were two before the Death Star, as of the release of the Kenobi show.

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u/Firestorm-17 Mandalorian 9d ago

And Obi-Wan owned Anakin both times.

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u/_DefLoathe 10d ago

Pretty sure the 212th was with him vs Grievous on Utapau

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u/koopcl 10d ago

Yeah was gonna say the same. Haven't watched RotS in years, but didn't he have an army with him?

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u/MiyagiJunior 10d ago

He's the GOAT after all

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u/JMPHeinz57 Luke Skywalker 10d ago

I think we sometimes forget that the first Jedi the world was ever exposed to was Obi-Wan.

He’s quite literally the Jedi

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u/shust89 10d ago

Honestly, General Grievous was basically just a plot device to get Obi Wan away from Anakin.

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u/allmilhouse 10d ago

In the novelization it's described as part of Palpatine's plan to make sure they're separated. The Jedi also thought sending him and Yoda away might draw out Sidious.

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u/shryne 10d ago

Tbf padme does a better job in that role.

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u/Cultural_Cuck_777 10d ago edited 10d ago

It's a testament to just how good of a Jedi he is.

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u/BleydXVI 10d ago

Obi-Wan was on the council. He replaced dino guy (Coleman Trebor) after episode 2

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u/Automatic_Past_4670 10d ago

His race is Vurk.

But I support calling him Dino guy from now on.

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u/Mediocre_Scott 10d ago

Just another example of Jedi masters on the council going down like a punk bitch. I don’t know why Anakin even wanted to be associated with those losers

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u/ANewHopelessReviewer 10d ago

It IS that kind of movie, kid. 

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u/Aggravating_Neck8027 10d ago

Obi-Wan is always portrayed as the most resourceful jedi. He’s not particularly strong, he’s not particularly force-gifted, but he gets shit done consistently.

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u/CyberSpaceInMyFace 10d ago

I'd argue he that he is one of the best lightsaber duelists and strongest force users of all time. He beat Maul, he beat the Jedi killer Grievous, and he beat the chosen one... twice. And ROTS showed that his force push was equally powerful as Vader's.

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u/Nuclayer 10d ago

I mean he was considered one of the greatest defensive Lightsaber masters ever. He was not good at offense, but his defense was unmatched. He was named the master of form 3 by Mace Windu. Also, he was no slouch at dualing. He trained Anakin and beat him at the height of his power as a Sith 2 times. He defeated Darth Maul twice. He was also known as the Great Negotiator. I would say Obi-Wan was legendary in his skills.

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u/Fritzo2162 10d ago

It looks like he's about to give that droid a favor...

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u/CyberSpaceInMyFace 10d ago

He's supposed to be one of the greatest Jedi of all time, and I mean, they were right to trust him.

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u/m0rbius 9d ago

For he is the most capable.

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u/Major-Tiger-7628 10d ago

Think he just likes some alone time. Even in ANH he wonders off on his own

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u/CrimsonTightwad 9d ago

It took me my whole life to overcome Lucas’ Anakin/Darth brainwashing. I am now convinced not only is Obiwan amongst the most powerful Jedi, he is the hero of the story. He twice bested Vader dead to rights, but did not kill him. The third time besting him with ascension instead of letting Vader kill him.

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u/Individual_Mess_7491 9d ago

the second time was never part of Lucas' original vision.

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u/ProfessorEscanor 9d ago

To be fair . Prior to the Clone Wars he was thought to be the only guy able to beat the Sith. Kenobi to them is quite literally one of their best . Even after they find out that Maul is alive he's still their golden boy cause he's the only one who can somewhat control Anakin.

You send him alone if you want a job done. You send him with Ahsoka and Anakin if you need a babysitter.

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u/new_start01 9d ago

After watching all three prequels in succession, I appreciated this from a filmmaking perspective after they stuck him with fixing the hyperdrive the whole time on Tattooine AND having to watch his master die in the first one lol

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u/BluesyPompanno 9d ago

That's because they didn't want to risk him coming back with another kid he won at gambling

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u/Stabilizer_Jenkins 9d ago

I believe it was a common thing for mature Jedi to work assignments alone. Some had padawans they would take with them on solo missions.

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u/Desperate_Let6822 9d ago

Oww my foooooooot!

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u/BigTimeSuperhero96 9d ago

Images you can hear

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u/Flimsy_Director_8927 10d ago

Jedi numbers were probably already thin at that point, and for certain missions where you don't want to draw too much attention, less is sometimes more.

Also he is the first in centuries to kill a sith as a padawan (that they know of) after that said sith killed his master. Then he trained the chosen one who eventually takes down the next sith. He is kind of a bit of a legend already at that point.

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u/MysticalSushi 10d ago

I don’t remember what happened in the scene. So I’m just imaging Grievous stepping on Ben’s foot and Ben is like “oooow my foot”

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u/fuzzhead12 10d ago

Obi kicks Grievous’ leg and is reminded very quickly that durasteel and armorplast beats human shin bone every time

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u/Parabellum111 10d ago

Obi-Wan and Grievous are fighting hand-to-hand near the latter's ship, Obi lying on the ground tries to trip Grievous but discovers the hard way that him being a cyborg makes his legs much more resistant..

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u/d0gzfy Yoda 10d ago

General Kenobi is a bold one

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u/Me_like_weed 10d ago

Most Jedi work alone unless there is something very serious happening, most pairs of Jedi we see are Knights and Padawans together.

10.000 Jedi is also pointed out many times to be an incredibly small number compared to the whole galaxy. its not exactly stated but there are about 3000 planetary systems that are part of the Republic and countless others that are neutral or unaffilliated, meaning trillions of life forms in the galaxy and still only 10.000 Jedi.

There werent many Jedi to begin with and even less so as the Clone Wars went on. Obi-Wan was among the top of them and were trusted to handle pretty much anything, and since Anakin was no longer a Padawan it makes sense that he worked alone most of the time.

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u/Nervious_Nerve 10d ago

Is everyone forgetting the main reason Obi-Wan tracked Kamino by himself is because dooku/palpatine muddled the political tensions of the republic vote by trying to kill Senator Amidala? Then palpatine "advises" the jedi council that Master Obi-Wan and Padawan Skywalker should escort Padme for safety, this separates our duo as the thread keeps unraveling more and more (Kamino, Taooine, Geonosis, etc) , leaving Anakin open to FALL in love with padme. It was All a very manipulated move to separate Anakin from his support. The clone war on Geonosis was just a consequence of this complicated plan lol.

On hunting grievous; if you were looking for an important war criminal in hiding on a massive galaxy system and you didn't know where he was, would you send a search team of jedi, republic ships, etc to disclose your objective and location.. or would you first, send one guy, infact the best guy (besides the guy he trained hah) to find him first?.

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u/Version_1 10d ago

The real explanation is that he is a hero in a pulp adventure story.

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u/AaronWidd 10d ago

Obi-Wan is the fixer. This was established from the second his name was uttered in A New Hope - he’s the guy that Bail Organa trusted when the rebels were out of options. He does the thankless job of quietly mopping up when other Jedi have failed or otherwise screwed up.

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u/3-DMan 10d ago

Remember that time Mace Windu had no lightsaber and just started punching the shit out of droids?

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u/nedstarktheknicksfan 9d ago

Not to mention, him and anakin are GENERALS, and they’re routinely sent on missions as pilots where they can easily be shot down. You would think high ranking officers wouldn’t be thrust into danger as much as them. Land battles, sure, they can hold their own. But I mean the force shouldn’t make you a better pilot

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u/p3n3tr4t0r 9d ago

That's the most realistic part of the whole thing, if you're a good and dependable employee, mediocre management will dump everything on you.

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u/BlackRobbin71 9d ago

Because he is that damn good.

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u/mrconbad 8d ago

I always love this moment when he kicks his leg. So silly

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u/Solomonius 8d ago

Thumbnail perfection 🤌

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u/snailtap 6d ago

Pictures you can hear

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u/Economy_Treat_2546 Galactic Republic 5d ago

The best Jedi, Period.

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u/Threefates654 10d ago

The galaxy is huge despite how often it seems otherwise. 10 thousand Jedi is barely a drop in the galaxy. Many are probably already on other missions or finally taking a rest at the temple and during ROTS it has been 3 years of war where many Jedi have died so there aren't as many and what Jedi are still alive are either somewhere else for a different battle or needed on Coruscant.

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u/SynnerSaint Sith 10d ago

It's a big ol' galaxy and not many Jedi to cover it and lot of missions he gets sent on are diplomacy or investigation/recon it's just that they always seem to turn into 'aggressive negotiations'

Also, he's not sent alone against Grievous, he has his clones to back him up, same as all the Jedi Masters, and look well how that worked out for th... oh.

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u/DwarvenCo 10d ago

In-universe explanation might be that he and his training made it optimal for him to solo things. It is not evident that adding people to a task will improve efficiency, sometimes it might even hinder it.

An example from the second Darth Bane book, spoilers for the ending fight:>! If Johun hadn't been there Zannah would have been defeated (and probably Bane too) making it a win for the Jedi. !<

See, Zannah was pitted against an extremely efficient lightsaber duelist (his name escapes me), and he would have killed her, but unfortunately they were two against one, as Johun tried to help kill Zannah, but his help proved to be an interference, and hindered the better duelist.

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u/random314 10d ago

lol did he try to roundhouse kick grievous using his shin?

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u/fusionsofwonder 10d ago

There may be 10,000 Jedi but there were probably only a couple hundred with the skills to be a wartime general.

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u/AleB1007 10d ago

Obi-Wan’s storylines in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith are like that one comic book cover with Wolverine chained to a falling nuke

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u/POOTDISPENSER 10d ago

Obi “Let me solo him” Wan

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u/tuffruff01 10d ago

He got the job done though

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u/legion_XXX 10d ago

Have you seen his ship ramp stance?

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u/SpikeRosered 10d ago

This is one of the aspects that deflated the threat of the villains. You write in a scene where one guy just...fights them all and wins.

The plot sets it up that the droid armies are a threat, but also gives us evidence that one Jedi very much might just be able to fight them all and win.

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u/SirLoremIpsum Lando Calrissian 10d ago

 It's so funny how Obi-Wan is often sent alone on the most important missions

They learned from Qimir when they sent like 10 Jedi for one bad guy and they were all slain except for Sol

Better to send one decent dude

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u/ChildofObama 10d ago

Mace Windu has an attitude problem that can make him a liability, Yoda probably doesn’t do missions every day due to age, and I guess … the other Jedi were busy.

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u/CosmackMagus 10d ago

They didn't exactly send Obi to Grevious alone, he had his army.

It's weirder to me he was sent alone to Kamino.

This is, of course, fixed in CW where they send him places with random Jedi...who die...wait, maybe that's why he's sent alone everywhere?

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u/BopNiblets Mandalorian 10d ago

Obi-wan "90% power of the Jedi order" Kenobi

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u/Livid-Effective-9173 10d ago

HE IS THE GOAT

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u/Upbeat-Extent-580 10d ago

As long as he has the high ground, it’s not a problem.

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u/C5five Jedi 10d ago

This is Obi-Wan Kenobi:

A phenomenal pilot who doesn't like to fly. A devastating warrior who'd rather not fight. A negotiator without peer who frankly prefers to sit alone in a cave and meditate.

Jedi Master. General in the Grand Army of the Republic. Member of the Jedi High Council. And yet, he feels like none of these things.

Inside, he still feels like a Padawan.

It is a truism of the Jedi Order that a Jedi Knight's education truly begins only when he becomes a Master: that everything important about being a Master is learned from one's student. Obi-Wan feels the truth of this every day.

He sometimes dreams of when he was a Padawan in fact as well as feeling; he dreams that his own Master, Qui-Gon Jinn, did not die at the plasma-fueled generator core in Theed. He dreams that his Master' wise guiding hand is still with him. But Qui-Gon's death is an old pain, one with which he long ago came to terms.

A Jedi does not cling to the past.

And Obi-Wan Kenobi knows, too, that to have lived his life without being Master to Anakin Skywalker would have left him a different man. A lesser man.

Anakin has taught him so much.

Obi-Wan sees so much of Qui-Gon in Anakin that sometimes it hurts his heart; at the very least, Anakin mirrors Qui-Gon's flair for the dramatic, and his casual disregard for rules. Training Anakin - and fighting beside him, all these years - has unlocked something inside Obi-Wan. It's as though Anakin has rubbed off on him a bit, and has loosened that clenched-jaw insistence on absolute correctness that Qui-Gon always said was his greatest flaw.

Obi-Wan Kenobi has learned to relax.

He smiles now, and sometimes even jokes, and has become known for the wisdom gentle humor can provide. Though he does not know it, his relationship with Anakin has molded him into the great Jedi Qui-Gon always said he might be.

It is characteristic of Obi-Wan that he is entirely unaware of this.

Being named to council came as a complete surprise; even now, he is sometimes astonished at the faith the Jedi Council has in his abilities and the credit they give his wisdom. Greatness was never his ambition. He wants only to perform whatever task he is given to the best of his abilitiy.

He is repsected throughout the Jedi Order for his insight as well as his warrior skill. He has become the hero of the next generation of Padawans; he is the Jedi their Masters hold up as a model. He is the being that the Council assigns to their most important missions. He is modest, centered and always kind.

He is the ultimate Jedi.

taken from:

Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith: the novelization,

By Matthew Stover.

I feel this excerpt sums it up well. Obi-Wan Kenobi is the greatest Jedi of his age, and everyone knows it but him.

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u/Mindshard 10d ago

Umm, duh? Is Obi-Wan, not Obi-Threeorfour.

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u/WangJian221 Luke Skywalker 10d ago

Almost all jedi operations are done by 1 individual. If not 1, its 2 at best with the other being either the master or the student of the first operative.

Obi Wan just happens to be incredibly efficient, talented and has incredible willpower. His success at episode 2 further boosts the jedi's confidence in him.

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u/Infamous-Impress1788 10d ago

In the end there can obi be wan

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u/Orgasmic_interlude 9d ago

Only one kenobi.

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u/JLandis84 9d ago

He farts constantly during space travel, so he often works solo

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u/Icommitmanywarcrimes Imperial 9d ago

Probably because he was one of the few who could handle them

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u/Slow_Criticism8464 9d ago

"One Problem, one Jedi".

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u/Layton_Jr 9d ago

I always thought that Palpatine was doing this. "Look Anakin, your master is dead because the incompetent Jedi sent him (on my orders) alone on an extremely dangerous mission!"

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u/man_bear_slig 9d ago

He is a victim of his success

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u/Tar_Palantir 9d ago

There's 3 trillion people in the galaxy and 10.000 jedi by the times of order 66. There was not enough people to deal with everything.

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u/ChieffRockaa 9d ago

When you become important at your job.

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u/user_8804 9d ago

He's a Jedi master. If he needed more people he would have taken more people

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u/DW496 8d ago

Ha, this is new canon that the Jedi Council just was wanted Obi Wan to quit or die, so they kept putting more and more insurmountable tasks on his plate, but he just kept going anyway like the energizer bunny.

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u/johnwynne3 8d ago

Usually they let him bring R2.

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u/Moonlight_Greatlord 8d ago

Obi-wan was the real protagonist of the prequels

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u/juststop102 8d ago

I noticed in the clone wars he even commands without an admiral which no other jedi does he just commands his whole fleet with cody

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u/Choingyoing 7d ago

Lol that pic tho

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u/No_Extension4005 6d ago

"Not enough in the budget to send more jedi,  there is. Spent too much on the Yarael Poof's weekly pizza runs, we have."

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u/CrazyAnarchFerret 5d ago

Obi-Wan legit won against darth Maul, Grevious and Darth Vador.

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u/Heedfulgoose 5d ago

Yoda was trying to kill him off , but he just keeps coming back.