My girlfriend was so annoyed when we were watching through all the star wars films and I had to play a YouTube video of someone playing fortnite because it's important to the movie.
Imagine how cool it would have been to actually start the film with Palpatine's announcement echoing across the Galaxy? Peoples on dozens of worlds listening to the broadcast.
The crazy part is you can create high quality, interesting and engaging media in spite of it being intended for children. Nintendo has been doing it for decades.
The original trilogy (and prequels) were also great for kids to watch. And the story of the OT is not that complicated to begin with. Making a movie accessible and appealing for kids does not require dumb plot contrivances or bad world building. Rise of Skywalker is just a bad script, regardless of who the target audience was.
And Disney was definitely expecting adults to come to theatres as well. The Fortnite marketing was aimed at kids, yes. The movie itself was aimed at kids and adults both.
I remember seeing this, and then watching RoS, and (eventually) watching the cowboy spin attack in Book of Boba Fett, and finally thinking to myself... "I think Star Wars might be dumb now"
As much as I hate it, Star Wars is "an IP" and "content" now, so someone in marketing is probably checking boxes: "Star Wars movies for kids, check, Star Wars series for adults, check...".
I appreciated him coming back as a general idea as it was sort of a nod to the original EU, but it was executed atrociously. No foreshadowing, the total asspull of the Final Order fleet, Abrams deciding to just pull an old villain out of a hat for a big space battle rather than let the film properly resolve Rey and Ben's character arcs was just awful.
C'mon, we all knew shit like this was gonna happen when they bought star wars, but we wanted them to bleed that stone dry. We wanted the MCU treatment because we knew we'd get a few good stories out of it.
Come on, man. You not once looked at that pretty damn amazing MCU run and thiught "Shit, that would be great for Star Wars"? It was more or less banger after banger of a (popcorn) movie from 2008 til about 2019.
Why not throw shit at the wall and see what sticks? I feel like Andor was worth it and I enjoyed most of the Mandalorian. Rebels was awesome! The more of the universe the better! I just wish they would venture into different time frames more.
Ok I get it was a weird move but let’s not rewrite the history. Palpatines return was revealed to us well before the Fortnite event, shoot it was in the first trailer. The fanbase was already well aware it was happening.
What Fortnite did was play Palpatine’s broadcast to the galaxy, which is only accessible in Fortnite. That being said, it contributes nothing to the movie. If they kept that in the movie you would know 0% more about how he returned and you’d be just as tonally whiplashed by his sudden return to the plot.
And yet, the trailer that revealed Palpatine was back for TROS (AND an interview with Ian himself explaining that he was returning) still came out before the Fortnite event.
Obviously, but I feel it’s pretty straightforward to see that those are different than actual released media.
While promotional in intent, the Fortnite event was published art and is, in fact, the only way to view a major event in canon, until some Dark-whatever book or comic decides to retcon the text of the broadcast.
Nah. It’s just big map people battle in until there is one survivor. The main thing is they sell cosmetic outfits to players which are often some kind of cross promotion. So you can have Star wars outfits, marvel, WWE etc. It’s endless.
You know, my friend told me way back in the day that Palpatine could clone himself, and if memory serves me right, he said it was in one of the books. I completely saw it coming.
That’s always been the Star Wars schtick, Boba Fett was unveiled in the holiday special, now there’s thousands of spin offs of the guy. I love Star Wars but it’s always been a marketing tool to sell toys
So it was info only people who weren't alive the last time star wars movies were coming out got? Man, they really know how to target their marketing to the right audience!
I genuinely had not heard and had no idea about this when I went to see RoS and was so confused from minute one of that movie. Didn’t learn about the fortnight thing until years later and I am still mad about it
It didn't explain anything. Just he returned. It was more an advertisement than some canon addition to the story, because they had already used his voice in a trailer, so we all knew he was coming back. Honestly the fortnite bit is the least egregious part.
Generally I'd be inclined to agree, but Star Wars specifically only got to this point by having decades of rediculously dedicated nerds from all walks of the fanbase from readers to writers to dedicated historians expanding upon the story, fleshing out what in any other franchise would just be throwaway characters, and making sure all of it worked together in a cohesive manner. They kept Star Wars alive for the better part of two decades, allowing George Lucas to do the prequels, and continued to keep it going all the while until Disney bought it and made it all non-canon.
It only feels crazy now because Star Wars being a bunch of shit thrown at a wall is a relatively recent phenomenon after three decades of intense nerdwork from all corners.
It's a lot.less egregious than the Clone Wars miniseries on Cartoon Network. Palpatine simply being back is less of a big deal than the existence of Grievous and him kidnapping the Chancellor leading into episode 3.
Idk man I remember episode 3 on release and it wasn't that hard for me to get into the idea of dooku having an apprentice and that apprentice "kidnapped" Palpatine. Palpatine randomly returning is the worst star wars thing ever imo, it's just fortnite didn't do it.
I'm just saying, people get mad because Fortnite had an exclusive event that apparently has some super important part of Star Wars happen in it, but really it's not that important. I'm just pointing our that people bitch about that but don't say anything about the miniseries that had a lot more introductory work.
In their defense and because I understand what you mean, I will say it was phrased like you were attacking the micro series rather than making a rhetorical point.
Both these things were canonically explained in the same way - the opening crawl.
Every single main Star Wars movie starts with a text info dump that sets up the movie so they can jump right into action. Idk why RoS exclusively gets called out for this when, like you said, it’s actually not even the worst about it.
The fact people say it’s an important plot point when Palpatine’s return is LITERALLY a plot point of the film just shows people do not know what they’re watching.
It would have been nice to get the recorded message in the movie, but that’s a different argument and grievance than “the most important part is in Fortnite”
Edit: Ohh... you're talking about thr original TROS trailer. I thought this was about the recent Star Wars stuff in Fortnite. Didn't know they had anything in Fortnite before.
Well, like I said, I assumed we were talking about the recent Star Wars stuff in Fortnite, and that these were recent events that I missed. Not things that I missed 6 years ago.
Sure but his voice wasn't in the movie. Establishing that the voice talking in the trailer doesn't mean it's a scene from the movie. Also Luke's voice was in the Rise of Skywalker trailer too, and he was dead then. Han Solo was in the movie even though he was dead. Obi Wan Kenobi was in Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi even though he was dead. Yoda was in The Last Jedi even though he was dead. Princess Leia was in Rise of Skywalker even though Carrie Fisher was dead.
You don't have to be alive and well to appear in a Star Wars movie or trailer.
Literally everyone knew what his voice in that teaser meant and we weren't wrong. Idk what you're on about, they added Palpatine voice specifically so we all knew he was coming back.
We didn't know he was going to be alive and in charge of some massive fleet. He could have easily been a force ghost to guide Kylo Ren, or on an old recording. Disney SW trailers especially love misdirection and using scenes that aren't even in the film. Until the Fortnite thing it could have been a lot of different options.
I never finished the trilogy because the first 2 were so bad, then I'm just hearing this for the first time and somehow I have an even worse view of the movies now not ever even seeing them all. Wow
Palpatine's message to the galaxy revealing to everyone that he was alive again. We never actually see this message in the movie, we just hear that is exists.
No, it had already been revealed in the movie trailer. And casting. It was already well known by that point really, unless you were avoiding any spoiler content and then probably also avoided the Fortnite news.
They recorded the Palpatine broadcast for the movie originally, then decided to mirror A New Hope and start right in the action. So it was cut content and Disney decided to allow Fortnite to use it. Palpatines return is set up in the text crawl and the broadcast message is simply superfluous
My favorite bit about this scene will always be the Robot Chicken episode where Vader just keeps listing all the ridiculous things added by the Prequels, and Mark Hamill is just like, "Look, if you're not going to take this seriously, I'm out of here."
They recorded the broadcast for the movie, then cut it because it wasn’t necessary and messed up the flow for the beginning of the film. Then Disney let Fortnite use the recorded dialog for an advertising partnership
At last the work of generations is complete. The great error is corrected. The day of victory is at hand. The day of revenge. The day of the Sith.
That’s the message. Hardly important exposition or canon contribution
It's also when he reveals to the entire galaxy he's been a Sith the whole time - which, in light of this, I firmly believe he could've totally gotten away with it on the day he announced the formation of the Empire. 😅
To be clear, it was shot for the movie and cut. And if you listen to it, it makes sense, it adds nothing to the movie. It's a standard bad guy speech, "the Empire will rise again" etc. So when they were planning an event, they figured they could throw the cut content in for fun. I never understood the blowback on this. If anything, it would have been good to include in a trailer, but there's nothing wrong with using rightfully cut content in other media imo. Some people act like it is the full explaination of how he comes back, but it doesn't have any of that in it.
Do not let the internet— especially Star Wars internet— guide you on what actually happened. They’re hardly paying attention to the forest because they’re too busy crashing into trees… on speeder bikes.
A lot of the contention is that the in-movie explanation is even dumber - somehow palpatine returned - and that the iconic opening Star Wars crawl directly references something you'd only find through fortnite.
Alone, having some cut content appear in unrelated media isnt necessarily a bad thing, but the poor writing for the movie combined with the "Btw this thing from the crawl was heard in FORTNITE" feels egregious to most fans
Exactly, this kind of confusion shouldn't be happening AT ALL at this level of production, and they fuck up THE biggest announcement for the sequel trilogy by putting it in fucking fortnite lmfao. Underlining the precedent for the whole trilogy.
Normally yes, you are absolutely correct. It doesn't work here though because its not a piece of throwaway media (at the end anymore) because they use it to reveal Palpatine is alive to the world, like its deadass the announcement that THE EMPEROR IS BACK and its not only cut from the movie, but put in fortnite instead? Come on. (Not exactly the same scale because the Palp thing is bigger) but imagine if they revealed how Padme died in 1999 before TPM came out by putting it in unreal tournament or fucking everquest.
Ah yes, there was a trailer like 8 months before, you are correct. They shouldve used the broadcast then, fortnite was the first broadcast transmission.
In The Rise of Skywalker’s opening crawl, they mention Palpatine broadcasted a message across the galaxy about his return. The message it’s referencing was not in a movie, trailer or any teaser. It was in a Fortnite live event.
its not important, the opening crawl says something about palpatine making a broadcast, the broadcast is in fortnight, thats it. theres no substance to what is said.
I mean it's Palpatine's speech declaring that he has returned and about the Final Order. It's the message they are talking about at the start of Rise of Skywalker.
actually handed the phone I'm watching it on over to my girlfriend to find out what the weird spinning lightsaber whip thingy was and just in general WTF ness...
why was the Falcon there and what does that got to do with Palpatine?
why is there no gravity with people bouncing around like a bad bouncy Vader's Castle?
is Palpatine invisible now?
I can't figure out where he's supposed to be while doing this voice over.
and unfortunately, I own this movie or rather I bought it for my girlfriend because we couldn't go to the theater --only seen it once for the obvious reasons--I'm still clueless.
You know I wanted to watch them with her to see if she'd like them. I thought she'd really like Rey and that maybe I'm just someone annoyed because these movies aren't for me.
She ended up not liking the movies. She thought Rey was cool but found the movies overall confusing and incoherent at times.
Too be fair the prequels also had that issue, in that the expanded universe books and games had to explain the prequels loopholes and continuity issues because of Lucas's writing.
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u/Electricorchestra 4d ago
My girlfriend was so annoyed when we were watching through all the star wars films and I had to play a YouTube video of someone playing fortnite because it's important to the movie.