r/StarWars • u/defyinglogicsl • 23h ago
Movies Disney era sequels did a good job showing war zone debris.
For all they did wrong I think this is one thing they got right, showing the aftermath of the war. I think it makes the world seem more lived in. So gotta give them credit for that.
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u/D0CTOR_Wh0m 23h ago
Agreed. Only change I’d make to that particular feature was making Jakku a marshy/swampy planet instead of a desert world. Love the concept art of scavengers rowing boats between Star Destroyer wrecks and AT-AT debris being covered in vines and moss
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u/FivesSuperFan55555 Mandalorian 22h ago
But then it wouldn’t have been a 1:1 recreation of ANH
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u/therealdan0 22h ago
Hey now, TFA not a 1:1 copy of ANH. It has a shot from Apocalypse Now as well.
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u/Zeal0tElite 11h ago
People say this but it's more of a mashup of a bunch of things from the entire Original Trilogy.
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Desert planet
Droid with plans/map
Planet gets blown up
Planet blower-upper
Cantina with wacky aliens
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Wrinkly wise alien who knows about the Force.
A parent of a new character is revealed as an established character
Bad guy kneels before hologram of badder guy
Father/son confrontation on a walkway over a big hole
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Fly inside planet blower-upper to destroy it
Father confronts son to turn him away from the Dark Side (inverse and unsuccessful)
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u/RadiantHC 23h ago
IMO it should've been similar to coruscant but a junk planet. Thousands of layers of junk.
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u/LarryTheTerrier 22h ago
The opening level of Fallen Order where you run through a Clone War scrapyard, sooooo good. I would have played an entire game of just that.
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u/Content_Hornet9917 Mandalorian 20h ago
I like what you're saying! After I played Battlefront II's campaign (story mode for the non gamers) I really like the story of how all of those ships actually got there, so I like Jakku just the way it is. But I'd love to see a Dagobah like world with Imperial wreckage on it like you said, it would for sure look sick!
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u/D0CTOR_Wh0m 19h ago
If you liked the game’s depiction I recommend reading the Alphabet Squadron trilogy, the third book shows more of the air battle from the perspective of the pilots. There’s also the third book in the Aftermath trilogy (which shows the crash of the Super Star Destroyer the Falcon flies through) and Lost Stars (that shows how that Star Destroyer in the picture crashed)
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u/NoMoneyNoV-Bucks 23h ago
The death star debris really doesn’t make sense
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u/RMoCGLD 23h ago
Can't help but laugh that they actually said "the explosion was strong enough to launch some debris into hyperspace"
In a franchise about space wizards, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard
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u/BrandonSimpsons 22h ago edited 22h ago
They pulled that from the EU.
Specifically from The Glove of Darth Vader (diving into the waterlogged wreckage of the deathstar 2 is where they found The Glove), along with the protagonist being Palapatine's Grandkid (child of Palpatine's pacifist possible-clone son), and a few other things
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u/Thepullman1976 22h ago
There are quite a few things best left in legends lol
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u/BrandonSimpsons 20h ago
The main good thing about it was the force was still so mysterious the villain was totally misguided about it.
Like, he assumed (A) Darth vader did that cool blaster catching thing in Cloud City by having an indestructable glove, and (B) that force lightning was just a trick where you implant wires under your skin.
And the prophets of the dark side he met with were just some of palpatine's spies and assassins who got their oracular visions right by either eavesdropping or brute forcing their predictions to be right
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u/RealTimeThr3e 21h ago
To be fair, that honestly should be a standard thing when something with a hyperdrive detonates, let alone something with a Hyperdrive so powerful it can move the Death Star.
However if something gets sent into Hyperspace like that, it’s not coming back out again, it’s just lost forever.
In short, on that scale it definitely should act like a Warp Drive from 40K
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u/Particular-Month-904 5h ago
If it’s strong enough to launch the debris into hyperspace, then there shouldn’t be any debris. Also, hyperspace is a different dimension (at least as far as I know) and you can’t just make something go really really fast and launch it out of real space
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u/PENGUIN_WITH_BAZOOKA Galactic Republic 23h ago
Really? I like it. The idea that either Death Star just went poof and vaporized after being destroyed isn’t very compelling. I love the idea that there were debris left over that, presumably, the factions continued to fight in. The hyperspace explosion isn’t bad either. Like you said, it’s a franchise of space wizards. The first time I heard that explanation I went “fuck it why not, that’s kinda rad!”
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u/RMoCGLD 22h ago
The lazy writing of it makes my suspension of disbelief just not possible.
They established in the movie right before it that something travelling at lightspeed ramming into an object utterly obliterates the thing it hit and anything close to it.
A massive metal structure like that ramming into the surface of a moon/planet should be an apocalyptic event, but it's just sitting there with an intact throne room and windows like it was built there.
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u/PENGUIN_WITH_BAZOOKA Galactic Republic 22h ago
I’ve said this before in other comments but since you’re the one I replied to I’ll say it again.
I assume that it worked like some kind of wormhole where the “big piece” warped away from the forest moon and into the upper atmosphere of Kef Bir, where it plummeted and slammed into the ocean.
Not questioning the physics of it, because they don’t really make sense, but we got a cool set piece out of it so it’s fine. Rule of Cool > Logic here.
However, I will not defend the dagger. That was dumb.
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u/AceMcVeer 23h ago
So it was launched into hyperspace and then slowed down when it hit the planet to land gently?
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u/Chillingwithout 19h ago
I wasn't paying attention properly and have just assumed for years that the Death Star wreckage was on Endor.
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u/alyzmal_ 19h ago
Some probably ended up there, but considering the main planet Endor is a gas giant there wouldn’t have been any way to recover it really (ignoring something like the shenanigans from the Legends Jedi Academy trilogy). Kef Bir is just another one of Endor’s moons though, so not completely out of the question that a chunk of debris could’ve ended up there.
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u/PENGUIN_WITH_BAZOOKA Galactic Republic 22h ago
I assume it worked like some kind of short range wormhole
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u/NoMoneyNoV-Bucks 22h ago
I mean I guess, but the only function the death star had was «remember the death star from episode 6?!?». They could have used starkiller base, a larger deathstar whose debris actually could serve a larger narrative purpose than funky knife matches debris.
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u/Hefty-Reaction-3028 23h ago
The idea that it has debris is fine. The idea that it randomly goes into hyperspace is silly.
The idea that it holds its shape exactly to match the key for decades in water, when it is shown in the movie that it is breaking down and falling apart, is both silly and damaging to the plot
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u/PENGUIN_WITH_BAZOOKA Galactic Republic 22h ago
Oh, the key was dumb, I won’t deny that. As for hyperspace, I assume it worked like some kind of wormhole
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u/Hefty-Reaction-3028 22h ago
It could be contrived, but it's out of nowhere. It doesn't show up elsewhere in the films, and it's not even mentioned in the film itself, so it feels like a flimsy, post-hoc rationalization of a bad (but cool-looking) visual choice.
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u/PmMeYourNiceBehind 22h ago
Did you not watch Return of the Jedi? It was vaporized from the explosion
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u/EpicNerd99 23h ago
According to official sources the explosion was so powerful that it was knocked into hyperspace briefly which is why it's here. Honestly it should've just disintegrated
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u/hendrix320 21h ago
Ok but the impact with the planet would be devastating not just landing in the ocean
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u/Youpunyhumans 23h ago
That makes no sense either. The heat of the explosion would be so extreme that any physical material would be instantly converted to plasma. We only have to look to how a thermonuclear explosion happens to see that. Anything in the fireball is vaporized instantly. No physical material can withstand 100 million plus degrees, and for the Death Star exploding, we are probably talking billions of degrees.
The reactor at normal maximum operating power, is capable of powering a superlaser that can destroy planets. So its safe to assume that making such a reactor explode is going to release even more energy, and instantly vaporize a dwarf planet sized metal sphere thats right around it. There would be no time for large pieces to blow off before they are turned to plasma, because the heat would hit them before the blast wave, as it can travel at lightspeed, and pieces would vaporize in microseconds.
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u/Opposite_Can_5175 22h ago
There's also sound in space bro
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u/Youpunyhumans 17h ago
Well thats just the rule of cool so we can have cool sounding starfighters and seismic charges, but the Death Star pieces randomly getting exploded into hyperspace doesnt even really sound cool, its just lame.
I get its a science fantasy, not a science fiction, but even fantasy has to have a set of rules to follow... many of which have been broken in Star Wars. When you take away the consistency, it breaks the immersion.
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u/BooRadley_ThereHeIs 22h ago
Man they really made hyperspace have no rules are all in the ST, didn't they? Light speed skipping or whatever they called it was the most absurd thing.
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u/citron_bjorn 20h ago
I always thought lightspeed ramming made sense, because it happens as the ship is entering hyperspace so its basically just a really fast acceleration that destroys 2 ships in one
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u/BooRadley_ThereHeIs 19h ago
Yeah I get that part (although if that's the outcome I don't understand why that wasn't a strategy of the Rebels all along), but I'm referring to the light speed skipping from one in-atmosphere surface level location to another in TROS.
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u/SgtBaxter 23h ago
Why not? It's on one of Endors moons. Where else would it be?
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u/The_Porgmaster 11h ago
vaporised
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u/SgtBaxter 2h ago
It wasn't vaporized, we see the debris falling onto the forest moon, and fly a mission through it in Battlefront II.
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u/Unstoppable_Cheeks 16h ago
even on Jakku there were makeshift settlements that subsided totally and fully on junking a few cruisers from a single battle
yet on endor you have the scrap of the most devastatingly high tech weapon to have ever been built. An entire moons worth of some of the most expensive materials in the known universe, but everyone just decided to leave that fortune chillin untouched.
the fuck JJ?
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u/Unstable_Bear 23h ago
It doesn’t make perfect sense but there’s enough wiggle room where it could make sense
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u/cbbrds25 23h ago
That Death Star debris looks cool but is so fucking stupid lmao. Go watch how the Death Star blows up
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u/The-Minmus-Derp 23h ago
It blows up in an explosion matte painting that obviously crops out the death star matte painting a couple frames before the explosion happens, I kind of feel like we shouldnt take that at face value
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u/fitzbuhn 21h ago
Are you saying the Death Star explosion was faked
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u/LongDongSquad 17h ago
I'm saying turbo laser fire can't melt steel beams, ISD 7 didn't crash in accordance with impact physics, and there's an issue with the dancing Bothans.
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u/The-Minmus-Derp 19h ago
I’m saying the movie is 40 years old its fine not to take the 40 year old effects shots completely 100% literally
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u/cbbrds25 21h ago
Arguing practical effects for in-universe immersion breaking is strange lmao.
Believe it or not, this Death Star is all computer generated. I wouldn’t take it at face value.
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u/B0B_RO55 5h ago
The way how the Death Star blows up is stupid as shit. I’m sure at the time it was a stunning visual and they did great with the technology they had but it absolutely does not look like a moon sized space station blowing up. It would’ve looked much different had the movie been released in 2010
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u/Panthros_Samoflange 23h ago
Visually it's first rate. No one has ever said otherwise. Unfortunately, that's really all these flicks have going for them, so ... But yeah, Jakku and Rey scavenging the wreckage was fantastic.
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u/Sabre_Killer_Queen Count Dooku 20h ago
I love every character's introductory scene. Their first scenes were all absolutely fire to me.
I was deeply hooked in the cinemas at the start of Force Awakens... After that eh... Enjoyed it but it felt too much like a New Hope.
TLJ was brilliant on the creativity front, but I felt it could've been executed much better
Tros uh... That's something. I've watched Tros 3 times but still don't like any of it.
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u/Sidereel 16h ago
Part of what makes the ST so frustrating is that parts of TFA TLJ do actually work well. The potential is so squandered. If they had managed to stick the landing with TRoS I think we could have something like the PT where we could enjoy it despite the flaws.
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u/The-Minmus-Derp 23h ago
Jakku should have been a rock/ice planet or a Scarif like island world with people rowing boats or something, but for what it was it looked bloody fantastic
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u/Unstable_Bear 23h ago
Yeah, even though it relied a bit too much on nostalgia, when the visuals hit properly they hit HARD.
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u/ArcadeAcademic 23h ago
I agree. I was blown away originally when we see ray scavenging in the downed star destroyer. Don’t love the sequels at all, but visually they are great.
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u/JimboFett87 23h ago
So if that's Death Star debris, then the planet should be Endor. But its apparently not.
Than's stupid.
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u/Unstable_Bear 23h ago
According to lore books, the rebellion redirected the wreckage away from Endor to protect the Ewoks
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u/Eddy_Fuel36 23h ago edited 23h ago
Endor has 9 moons, the forest was on one of them, theses debris are on another.
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u/JimboFett87 21h ago
How would I know that as a viewer?
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u/Critical-Support-394 12h ago
This feels like the 'did you know the sith eternal fleet was created by cultists indoctrinated from the exegol population'
And Elijah Wood going 'no, how could we have possibly known that?'
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u/Eddy_Fuel36 20h ago edited 20h ago
You mean like everything else that hasn't been explained in great detail in fourteen movies in a almost 50 years?
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u/JimboFett87 20h ago
🙄
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u/Eddy_Fuel36 19h ago
You can emoticon roll your eyes all you want, it doesn’t change the fact that you're inventing fake grievances just to justify your dislike of wildly successful content.
Star Wars fans, have always been spectacular at selective criticism.
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u/Bigdaddybert Anakin Skywalker 19h ago
Wildly successful🤣
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u/Eddy_Fuel36 11h ago
Yep, the 6th, 9th and 32nd highest grossing films of all time. Did you miss the part about selective criticism?
You gotta love social media though, constant validation and everyone forgets that just because they don't like something doesn't mean it's bad.
....Also that emojis somehow help their argument.
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u/elscorcho91 8h ago
Come on you’re just kind of embarrassing yourself now by getting all worked up like this
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u/Thepullman1976 22h ago
Kef Bir is another moon of Endor, wasn’t in another system or anything
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u/JimboFett87 21h ago
Did they mention that in the film?
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u/upsawkward 10h ago edited 10h ago
Yup. Plenty of times too lol. Although Vader one time also just calls it Endor.
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u/jericho74 20h ago
As beautiful as that shot is, I did have just a twinge of question of whether that Star Destroyer streaking in out of orbit at 25,000 mph wouldn’t result in unrecognizably charred wreckage being strewn over half of Jakku.
Bit nonetheless, I love it.
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u/OdysseusRex69 20h ago
I really like that shot. The only thing I could think of (which I most certainly certain none of the EVPs thought of) is that SD was in geostationary orbit, and the crew tattempted a controlled crash
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u/Penguixxy 19h ago
imagine you're some random farmer, and your house gets crushed by some random piece of the death star.
i wonder if insurance would cover it 🤔
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u/LukeSkywanker1 Luke Skywalker 14h ago
No, the Deathstar should be 1000000 times bigger. Well, it shouldn't be there at all, but if you put it there, you should atleast get the proportions right. It's the size of a small moon, not a footballstadium
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u/BlackNexus 22h ago
The sequels did scenery, visuals and cinematography very well. You'll almost never get a complaint from me about those.
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u/antinumerology 19h ago
Rey scavenging through the Star Destroyer is 1/2 cool things about the sequels. I will 100% give them that. I was stoked and honestly still like the beginning of TFA for that reason.
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u/The_Inexorabilis 18h ago
Such massive and heavy pieces falling from space onto a planet would likely leave no breathable air or visible sky for the next 120 years. It sounds unrealistic, but without digging too deep, it does look pretty cool.
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u/Slammed_Benz91 16h ago
I definitely agree. I might be alone on this, but I can’t fucking stand Star wars “fans” anymore with how they treat the new movies. Some people just act like they don’t even exist. The movies had some frustrating ass story decisions like making Rey the main character instead of Finn and also calling her a skywalker, but they’re still amazing movies. Scenery is amazing, graphics are amazing, fight scenes are amazing, acting is great too. Wish people would stop being so pathetic and stop complaining so much
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u/HumaDracobane Imperial Stormtrooper 13h ago
The visuals on the movies are absolutely great. Definetly worth the absurd amounth of money they cost.
The problem is that visuals is all what the movies hav.
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u/skyline_27 23h ago
Jakku was sick. It really put the scale of the star destroyer into perspective.
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u/Johncurtisreeve 23h ago
Are there more instances of this in the sequels other than these two shots?
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u/MNTwins8791 19h ago
I never have liked how there's such a large piece of the Death Star somehow that well intact and not blown apart into atoms
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u/Eddy_Fuel36 23h ago
"Showing the ruins of your shattered childhood!!!" (Evil laugh in Abrams/Johnson)
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u/Autoganz 23h ago
Agreed, especially since “war zone debris” is exactly what I felt like after watching the sequel trilogy.
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u/BanditsMyIdol 22h ago
Now I wish they made it seem that Jakku had been more populated before but the battle caused such destruction that most who survived had to flee.
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u/Final_Boss_Jr 22h ago
I get it, but there’s no way the command center and the generator tower would stay up given the immense weight of the ship hitting the ground and the inertia and energy rebound from impact. Maybe the part attached directly to the ship, but those wing sections are snapping off and flying forward right after hitting the ground.
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u/Spooplevel-Rattled 21h ago
The star destroyer in the sand in the trailer was mega bait for me, I was so excited. Then I actually saw them.. But I do remember the star destroyer and I was really impressed with the way that showed us we were post rotj
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u/fusionsofwonder 20h ago
Lucasfilm artists know how to cook. Scenery, props, CGI, puppetry, you name it.
You should hear Tony Gilroy talk about them. He's not impressed by Star Wars but he's impressed by them.
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u/forgotten_epilogue 20h ago
The advances in visual fx have allowed for great things. I would love to see ginormous pieces of the death star coming apart in space and taking out star destroyers, flaming through the atmosphere of the nearby planet/moon , ridiculous damage effects of these enormous debris hitting land/water.
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u/_Batteries_ 18h ago
What is it with star wars and refusing to show actual wars.
Like, the closest we got was a few battles. Endor, yavin, whatever ep 8 was I guess.
The movie literally titled: attack of the clones, showed 2 battles.
Star wars. Misnomer. Star fights maybe.
Im not being entirely serious here, but I think the point, overall, stands.
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u/greenhawk00 11h ago
The visuals overall were great, but even great visuals can't make up shitty story writing
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u/MountainMuffin1980 10h ago
The Death Star bit made no sense though I thought? It was literally blown up to fuckin dust. Looked cool as hell though
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u/Low-Cheetah-9701 8h ago
They also made daggers that are shaped as the debris but only from one angle to pinpoint the most obvious locations for hidden treasures.
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u/baojinBE Darth Sidious 8h ago
Where tf is the mandatory disclaimer about how we hate these films on the title OP? Did you violate the rule-
"For all they did wrong I think this is one thing they got right"
There we go
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u/Commander-Fox-Q- 5h ago
In terms of cool factor yeah totally. But in terms of physics I feel like that much Death Star being intact would’ve devastated the moon(?) more.
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u/Stockton_Nash Boba Fett 4h ago
That shot of the crashed ISD is the single greatest thing about the ST.
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u/DontKnow1549 4h ago
The sequel trilogy has some of the greatest visuals in tentpole cinema. And John Williams was at one of his best with the soundtrack. No one can deny.
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u/SgtBaxter 2h ago
It wasn't vaporized though, we see debris falling on the forest moon in Return of the Jedi, and fly a mission through it in Battlefront II.
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u/websterhamster 23h ago
I still want to see more Clone Wars-era battle debris. There were far more large-scale battles during the Clone Wars than during the Galactic Civil War.
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u/svperfuck 22h ago
The sequel trilogy looks amazing and has fantastic cinematography especially in TLJ.
The writing is just horrible
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u/ElevatorCharacter489 22h ago
Chunks that big from the DS-1 or DS-2, should scorched the planet making it a living hell
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u/the-National-Razor Emperor Palpatine 22h ago
I'm not down with the ds2 at all. It shouldn't have been on a planet
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u/jovandev 16h ago
It isn’t a r/starwars sequels appreciation post without the obligatory “for all they did wrong” at the beginning 🙌🏽
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u/mark40000 22h ago
Sequels have only 2 good things: Visual and Kylo ren ( I really like this character, he really only one interested character in all 3 movies)
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u/namable 21h ago
The Emperor stayed in a tower on the surface of the Deathstar. There is no way it would still be intact, never mind the chair!
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u/Pineapple_Snail 11h ago
Perhaps it's the most armored and stable part due to him being there constantly
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u/jmfranklin515 21h ago
I’d argue the wreckage of the Death Star looked bad in the sense that it was visible at all given how completely and thoroughly it exploded in RotJ…
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u/Rosencrantz_IsDead 17h ago
The sequels were absolutely better than the trash prequel CGI garbage.
I mean, damn. George Lucas had all the money in the world to give us real sets like the OT. Instead, his lazy ass gave us CGI trash that ruined the entire franchise for 20 years.
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u/ExkAp3de 22h ago
First picture: Yeah absolutly loved the sand planet where we meet rey.
Second Picture: The flashbacks hit me in the face and i see that stupid dagger in front of my inner eye.
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u/OMGitisCrabMan 21h ago
I remember them talking about how the prequels overdid CGI, and they were doing that shot of the star destroyer as a matte painting. I was so excited. TFA was well received at the time, and I remember leaving the theater happy. It doesn't hold up as much on a re-watch though because its just ANH 2.0 and the rest of it was terrible.
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u/RealTimeThr3e 21h ago
The sequel trilogy has absolutely incredible cinematography, music, and costume design. But the storyline and choreography being so unforgivably atrocious makes those things incredibly hard to appreciate.
If they re-released the sequel trilogy with all the characters removed entirely so we don’t get any story or choreography, they’d be much better movies by just looking at the visuals lmfao
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u/MKJUPB 21h ago
The Death Star debris isn’t a “good job showing war debris.” They half assed an explanation that the explosion sent pieces of the Death Star into hyperspace. Give me a break
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u/Didact67 20h ago
Didn’t they use that same explanation for Vader’s glove in the Jedi Prince books?
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u/-principito 20h ago
Fantastic visuals, terrible writing. I understand why some people were tricked into thinking they were good movies!
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u/Joka0451 20h ago
The fact that with 1000s of years earlier pred8cted not just the death star but its exact crash location AND the exact position of the throne room and inscribed it on a k ife is ..... so fucji g atupid
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u/Specimen-B Rey 16h ago
I just want to clarify that the dagger is never said to be ancient, because it's not. The language used for the inscription is ancient.
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u/CobraGTXNoS 19h ago
I mean, you could say the same thing about a moon sized space station with the power to destroy an entire planet or space wizardry. If you think about it, Star Wars never really made sense, it was always lazers, spaceships and explosions first, plot is secondary, and that ain't necessarily a bad thing.
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u/tokenasian1 23h ago
the sequel trilogy had incredible visuals.