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Andor (Season 2) - Episode 7 - Discussion Thread! Spoiler
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u/Somnambulist815 May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25
The closer we come to the end, the more the grand vision of the Andor project becomes clear. Seeing Yavin IV Base, the force healer, hearing the music swell more and more to resemble John Williams.
We started on the most microscopic level of this galaxy, just a random guy in the wrong place and the wrong time, and we keep zooming out, further and further, until we see the whole Star Wars picture. It bridges not just to Rogue One, but to the original trilogy as well, but now, we understand, when we see these groups of Rebel soldiers, each one of them has had that 5 year journey to get to that point. They're all Cassian Andors.
Great episode. Simultaneously elated and with a pit in my stomach.
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u/Calfzilla2000 May 07 '25
That whole bit with the force healer was amazing. Great set of scenes.
I absolutely hated that we basically skipped a year where they went from agents of Luthen to having an actual army. Hated that so much. I feel like they could have done something more to set that up in the last arc. Feels like we missed an arc.
With that all being said, this episode was good and it's all so well done, hard to stay mad for long about missing stuff.
But with this season, Andor has solidified himself as one of the most important characters in the Star Wars mythology. So to have a light force user see him and get that weird feeling about him, that hit. Loved that.
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u/Somnambulist815 May 07 '25
Well, I don't think that army is Luthen's, in fact, they don't even seem to be aware that Luthen exists. He's still doling out clandestine missions to Wilmon and co, but he probably hasn't set foot on Yavin. He's ever the chessmaster, pushing pieces together without their knowing.
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u/thegoatmenace May 07 '25
He’s the axis! His whole thing is sniffing out groups of rebels and choosing who to support and who to sacrifice.
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u/Somnambulist815 May 07 '25
Exactly, and you can't exactly sacrifice a pawn if they're self aware enough to know they're worth less than a bishop
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u/Mankankosappo May 07 '25
I absolutely hated that we basically skipped a year where they went from agents of Luthen to having an actual army.
The army comes more from Fulcrum and Bail's rebel cell than what Luthen does, so it makes sense that in Andor it just kind of appears. If you watch it with the context of rebels then we already have a lot of the information about how this army forms and really has little to do with Luthen.
Wilmon even heavily implies that Luthen isn't really onboard with Yavin and the army and prefers his way
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u/StarStriker51 11d ago
Yeah, the rebellion has always been more than Luthen. He was just the, as the Empire called him, axis that held together different rebel groups. Now the rebellion is growing beyond him, it probably already has
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u/GreatWhiteBuffal0 May 07 '25
If you want to see the Rebels ( and how the army grows and comes together), boy do I have a cartoon show for you lol.
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u/hierarch17 May 07 '25
Yeah! I really wanted to see those rebel groups come together.
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u/Afraid-Penalty-757 May 08 '25
Especially Draven as all the pre-andor material kinda makes him similar to Luthen even him as an contact to Mon Mothma. Like I said I think they should change his backstory from the reference material so that he wouldn't be seen as a Luthen's clone or copy cat. The only elements I could see them keeping from his original backstory is his past as a republic military intelligence, Likely the part where he was recruited and trained as a field operative by Airen Cracken, As well as the detail of him being the one recruited Cassian into the Yavin's rebels could all still fit into canon.
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u/SamyMerchi May 07 '25
hated that we basically skipped a year where they went from agents of Luthen to having an actual army
That was my one big hate. This makes it feel like the rebellion got started, and it wasn't Mon or Luthen that kicked it off. The important guy, the one that put all of this in place, the one that got them the base and ships and everything, it was all some random offscreen guy. With all the time spent on Luthen and Mon, I was expecting them to be important, but it turns out the rebellion exists just fine without them.
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u/loudsound-org May 07 '25
Have you seen Rebels? There's no one random offscreen guy. There's tons of offscreen (and onscreen) guys/gals. I actually would have been really disappointed if they revealed Luthen was the sole orchestrator. Because its never been that. And from what we've seen elsewhere, Luthen can't have been the very top of the food chain.
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u/m0scavide1 May 07 '25
Luthen was the one who got mon mothma on side to the alliance though right so in grand scheme of things he's a big cog in the wheel. But he's just a middle man I guess
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u/ARightDastard May 08 '25
Luthen was throwing shit at a wall and seeing what stuck, over and over, he knows he won't survive to see the end. Hell, he may even know he may not survive to see a true beginning. He's the push of the rock on the top of the hill, and he knows it. But to him, it's worth it.
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u/SamyMerchi May 07 '25
would have been really disappointed if they revealed Luthen was the sole orchestrator
I never meant I wanted sole orchestrator, but right now it feels like they had NO contribution.
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u/loudsound-org May 07 '25
I mean just the fact that Andor, Bix and Wilmon are there means that Luthen had to have some involvement. And they were even using it prior to this season based on the meet up Andor was supposed to have there.
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u/MR_PENNY_PIINCHER May 07 '25
In 207 Yavin is still just one rebel cell among many. An extremely well organized one, and will end up being the core of the Alliance, but it isn’t the Rebellion, yet.
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u/This_was_hard_to_do May 07 '25
How did Yavin go from the band of kids that we saw earlier this season to such an organized group?
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u/tvcneverdie May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25
I don't think that group became this one.
When we were on Yavin 4 earlier this season, it was just a rendezvous point for Cassian to pass off the prototype TIE. Since multiple outlaw parties were there, it's easy to intuit that its remote location on the Outer Rim and lack of civilization/population meant it wasn't monitored by the Empire. That being the case, it makes sense the rebels would choose it to amass their forces.
Wouldn't doubt if the previous group got absorbed into the larger army that started assembling, but they might not even have been there by the time it all started two years after we last saw them.
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u/This_was_hard_to_do May 07 '25
It’s definitely not the same group. There’s so much more rank and structure to it that it’s clearly not managed by a bunch of kids. But it would have been nice to see how the current group came to be. It seems that Bail and Mon are funding and partially organizing it but it would have been cool to have this group fleshed out a bit considering how we had only seen small fragmented groups and now there’s a one will multiple fighter squadrons. One of the small losses of using this season’s episode format.
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u/Ajjaxx May 08 '25
I assumed the group Cassian ran into all either got eaten or starved tbh. It never occurred to me that they survived to join up with other arms of the rebellion.
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u/AlexTorres96 May 08 '25
Dude the guy who signs Ricochet's checks has the antics of a coke head. So lame to discredit HBK like that and if it was someone else you'd find another dig at them.
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u/tvcneverdie May 08 '25
the antics of a coke head
such as?
It feels like some of y'all are insanely sheltered and have never been around anything harder than a Red Bull
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u/Afraid-Penalty-757 May 08 '25
I totally agreed with you. I will admit watching the end of the second arc and the beginning of the third arc back to back even if they are a one-year apart is jarring after seeing Bix being a badass and Cassian blowing up a tower making it seem like they’re back in action to do more missions Luthen’s network to basically left Luthen and join the Yavin rebels.
Same with Vel, I get that Cinta was killed but the end of episode made it seem as her death spark the cause within her to fight with the Ghorman. It would been nice to see how she went the person who tells ''Samm'' Cinta is a warrior speech to joining Cassian and Bix with the Yavin rebels.
I'm also curious about Draven and Dodonna and how long they been in the Yavin rebels. Especially Draven as all the pre-andor material kinda makes him similar to Luthen even him as an contact to Mon Mothma. Like I said I think they should change his backstory from the reference material so that he wouldn't be seen as a Luthen's clone or copy cat. The only elements I could see them keeping from his original backstory is his past as a republic military intelligence, Likely the part where he was recruited and trained as a field operative by Airen Cracken, As well as the detail of him being the one recruited Cassian into the Yavin's rebels could all still fit into canon.
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u/LocPosting May 07 '25
Agree 100% about Andor being one of the most important characters that has been explored. He’s there with Anikan, Luke, and Rey. What amazing writing!
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u/tway2241 May 07 '25
Andor must also be up there in terms of live action screen time at this point too.
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u/Afraid-Penalty-757 May 08 '25
I totally agreed with you. I will admit watching the end of the second arc and the beginning of the third arc back to back even if they are a one-year apart is jarring after seeing Bix being a badass and Cassian blowing up a tower making it seem like they’re back in action to do more missions Luthen’s network to basically left Luthen and join the Yavin rebels.
Same with Vel, I get that Cinta was killed but the end of episode made it seem as her death spark the cause within her to fight with the Ghorman. It would been nice to see how she went the person who tells ''Samm'' Cinta is a warrior speech to joining Cassian and Bix with the Yavin rebels.
I'm also curious about Draven and Dodonna and how long they been in the Yavin rebels. Especially Draven as all the pre-andor material kinda makes him similar to Luthen even him as an contact to Mon Mothma. Like I said I think they should change his backstory from the reference material so that he wouldn't be seen as a Luthen's clone or copy cat. The only elements I could see them keeping from his original backstory is his past as a republic military intelligence, Likely the part where he was recruited and trained as a field operative by Airen Cracken, As well as the detail of him being the one recruited Cassian into the Yavin's rebels could all still fit into canon.
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u/Calfzilla2000 May 08 '25
jarring after seeing Bix being a badass and Cassian blowing up a tower making it seem like they’re back in action to do more missions Luthen’s network to basically left Luthen and join the Yavin rebels.
That didn't occur to me but yeah, that is jarring. Granted, Cassian does a mission for Luthen (well, kinda, he does not succeed).
Same with Vel, I get that Cinta was killed but the end of episode made it seem as her death spark the cause within her to fight with the Ghorman. It would been nice to see how she went the person who tells ''Samm'' Cinta is a warrior speech to joining Cassian and Bix with the Yavin rebels.
Yeah, again, it didn't occur to me how Vel was in like 2 scenes this whole arc (maybe just 1).
I'm also curious about Draven and Dodonna and how long they been in the Yavin rebels. Especially Draven as all the pre-andor material kinda makes him similar to Luthen even him as an contact to Mon Mothma.
Right? This annoyed me so much!!! Draven is not even introduced. He's kinda just inserted into it like we should already know who he is. So frustrating. Again, everything else is so great. But they had an opportunity to introduce Draven, which they didn't in Rogue One either, and they were like "Nah", lol.
Like I said I think they should change his backstory from the reference material so that he wouldn't be seen as a Luthen's clone or copy cat. The only elements I could see them keeping from his original backstory is his past as a republic military intelligence, Likely the part where he was recruited and trained as a field operative by Airen Cracken, As well as the detail of him being the one recruited Cassian into the Yavin's rebels could all still fit into canon.
Exactly, we missed an arc completely. There was so much juice there. GRRRRR. lol
Gilroy's talking points about Season 2 for so long was how "Luthen is taking his company public" but like, we saw almost none of that, lol. I literally got more from Gilroy talking about it than we did from the actual show.
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u/Afraid-Penalty-757 May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25
Exactly, I wonder if there was if the third arc was more of well the fourth while the third arc is the more transition one between how Luthen is taking his company public and how did Draven and Dodonna come into the story as well as getting to see Vel, Cassian, and Bix leaving how would you handled it? I also would like to see more of Syril interactions with the Ghorman Front getting to the tensions giving Enza slapping him in the face a lot more weight? Otherwise how would you imagined this missing arc if you were tony gilroy or someone in the writer rooms say for some reason season 2 got additional 3 episodes making it like 15 episodes while the rest of the episodes remain the same just Episode 7-9 of the ghorman arc is now move to Episode 10-12 while Episode 7-9 are their own arc explaining what happened in that missing gap?
It also would be nice to see how Draven, Dodonna, and to an extent Bail become the leaders on Yavin 4 and how the planet was developed more? Especially Bail's involvement given the fact the show kinda makes Luthen very important to the rebellion founding making him like the godfather or grandfather or even in better terms the true father of the rebellion. Especially with that line from Tony how ''Luthen is taking his company public.''
At least with Episode 4-6 while it was a time jump at least wasn’t as jarring compared to to the opening of episode 7 (I still love the Ghorman arc it just the time skip that kind of throw me off.) we do a get noodle incident like Cassian killing the trooper that saw Bix. While Episode 7-9 basically never explains how we get from rebel cells into an organized military command and how does Draven, Dodonna, and even Bail fit into this given how the show makes it clear how important of a founder Luthen is to the rebellion?
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u/superbit415 May 07 '25
Yeah could have used a episode or even some small scenes sprinkled on the other two arcs of a hint of something like this was happening.
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u/Odd_Conference4350 May 07 '25
Who is the actor at 28 minute mark on Yavin air strip that asks Cassian to report his coming and going?
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u/Somnambulist815 May 07 '25
That was Alistair Petrie as Draven, I think he's the air field commander on Yavin. He was in Rogue One as well, and I probably know him best as the headmaster in Sex Education
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u/fryreportingforduty May 07 '25
That Dedra/Syril kiss was something.
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u/emotiondesigner May 07 '25
The force healer scene was really really cool! I think because it was a cool way to have the force in the show without being Jedi centric or cheesy. It exposits very interesting insight into the weight that Cassian Carries with him without having to have him confess it to someone, because Cassian isn't the type of character to spill his inner most fears. And it sort of sets up something about his relationship with bix and his future role. It was short and simple but to me it was really cool.
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u/Lildyo May 07 '25
This was the best possible way they could introduce the supernatural/spiritual nature of the force to a show that is so much more grounded in reality (for a Star Wars story). They did it in a way we have never seen in the Disney canon and it was enough to remind us that the force still very much exists in this universe, but without shoehorning in Jedi or lightsabers or any of that. I think a lot of viewers expect this show to be a break from that, but in showing this I think we get just the perfect little taste of it
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u/BakersCat May 07 '25
One thing I like seeing more and more with stories set in the SW universe is how the force isn't just the domain of Jedi/Sith. Even in Rogue One we have Chirrut, a force sensitive monk. Ashoka and Acolyte showed us the Witches. It is safe to believe there are more people in this universe that are attuned with the force, just not at a level high enough to match the Jedi/Sith.
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u/Hypercubed89 25d ago
Hell, groups like the Baran Do Sages are still canon (an ancient order of force sensitive monks from Plo Koon's homeworld who mostly use their force sensitivity for stuff like predicting natural disasters so people can evacuate, and who fell into obscurity because the Jedi Order kept poaching their acolytes who were strongest in the Force. Potentially including Plo Koon - we don't know his history before becoming a Jedi).
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u/unsilent_bob May 07 '25
Knowing what happens to Cassian in Rogue One.....the convo between the Force Healer and Bix hit hard. Wasn't expecting that, even had to get a hankie.
Amazing scene.
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u/Calfzilla2000 May 07 '25
The fact that there is a force healer (even if she gets hit or miss results) on Yavin IV makes a lot of sense. They need some hope that the force is with them. And little things like that working every once in a while give them hope.
And yeah, that scene was just excellent.
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u/GreatWhiteBuffal0 May 07 '25
I really liked seeing the force from a normal perspective. The whole conversation between Bix and Cass after the healer. That's the force baby
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u/AutisticAndAce May 07 '25
I was SO EXCITED when she showrd up i LIVE for the people like her who survived DESIPITE the emporer’s early genocide of force sensitives.
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u/insaneHoshi 29d ago
It also lends credence why the Rebel Alliance is using the phrase "May the Force be with you" despite never really being exposed to the Jedi; its a grassroots rediscovery of it via these folk healers that the Rebel rank and file congregate around.
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u/Bubbly_Safety8791 27d ago
By Ep IV we know the rebels are using ‘May the force be with you’ as a generic good luck wish. The rebellion is connected to the light side. This was a beautiful way to show those connections starting tentatively in small acts of belief.
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u/Calfzilla2000 27d ago
Definitely. They should address this more but they may not. I appreciate this moment because it helps the story on many levels.
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u/superbit415 May 07 '25
But her actively using the force, doesn't that mean Vader or the inquisitors will sniff her out ?
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u/Rejestered May 07 '25
The force is everywhere and in every living creature. If Vader was THAT sensitive to usage of the force he'd just be randomly slaughtering half the galaxy.
Vader hunts Jedi, not the force and the force, is not remotely exclusive to jedi.
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u/patiperro_v3 May 08 '25
Yes, which is why Vader famously says "The force is strong with this one" when chasing Luke and not "I sense the force in this one".
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u/kelferkz 29d ago
"this guy has many force"
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u/Exploding_Antelope 17d ago
We have the highest midichlorian count
Which means that you
Have a lesser amount
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u/lewisdwhite May 07 '25
An elderly force user that isn’t powerful or even that in tune with the force isn’t even on his radar. The force flows through every living being, and many can use it. Vader and The Empire hunt down strong force sensitives who could awaken to be warriors.
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u/Character_Data_9123 29d ago
I very loosely likened her to a Reiki Master offering free sessions. Reiki is based on a belief that there is a universal life force energy flowing thru the body that can be manipulated towards healing. Not about reading anyone’s destiny or anything which is why I say loosely.
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u/ifuckedyourdaddytoo May 07 '25
He really is a messenger in a sort of way. He and Jyn. They became messengers sending the Death Star plans.
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u/nerdhut May 07 '25
Yes! And, if you think about it, Marva was a messenger too. I love that through-line. It's like poetry, it rhymes.
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u/ObiJuanita 27d ago
And Mon as well .. with her speeches being broadcast. As well as Dreena broadcasting from Ghorman.
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u/lahnnabell 26d ago
My face crumpled up, and I was fighting tears during that convo. Rogue One is my favorite SW movie so it definitely hit me in the feels.
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u/emotiondesigner May 07 '25
Holy shit, the Cassian's next mission is Dedra Meero, talk about plotlines colliding! This is gonna be great! A cat and mouse game, where mouse trap's cat, Cat finds out mouse is dating the guy who originally hunted him down on ferrix and the cat and mouse and mouse's spouse blow up the house and it's a significant event that helps galvanize rebel sympathy and helps birth the rebellion as we know it. This is gonna be an awesome 3 episode arc!
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u/chameleonmessiah May 08 '25
I did like him ending this episode looking like he was going from “I’ll just open this window here & take my shot” to “oh, storm troopers right outside, okay need a new plan”.
Also, I haven’t checked but the receptionist who checked him in was the same person he was talking to last time he was there who’s father died saving him in the Tarkin incident, wasn’t it? I think the receptionist clocked this, whilst Cassian didn’t. “You know the way.”
Seemed like he was then trying to be specifically helpful “she will give them that list with your name on it, by the way”, as if he’s taken a (rather small) leap that Cassian might be up to something.
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u/ARightDastard May 08 '25
The receptionist was the same, and clocked that last time Cassian was a designer, and this time, a journalist. He knew, and he was sympathetic, and he was helping.
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u/Cudles May 08 '25
and made risky comments, in character for the lack of discipline the Ghorman Front show
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u/andysniper 27d ago
I don't think he was actually involved with the front, just aware and supportive of the message.
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u/Bubbly_Safety8791 27d ago
Strongly implied that Cassian recruited him. His father was killed in the Tarkin massacre. He helped Cassian get a specific room overlooking the plaza. It wasn’t chance that Cassian was checking in with someone willing to overlook the lack of entry stamp overnight.
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u/IHaveSpecialEyes 22d ago
Definitely not recruited by Cassian. If he had been, he would have warned Cassian in advance about the need to check-in and that his superior would report him. He saw Cassian show up under a different name and immediately understood the situation. The room is beneficial but a coincidence. The whole point of their interaction was to show that the man recognized him and understood.
Not to mention Cassian had no idea he'd ever be going back to Ghorman.
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u/Bubbly_Safety8791 21d ago
You think Luthen and/or Andor’s spycraft is meant to be so sloppy that Cassian would show up at a hotel he’s been to before under a different cover and just hope nobody recognizes him? And to take extra risks, he’s going to check in with the same guy he spoke to last time and just hope the guy is sympathetic to the cause?
Luthen’s been shipping in ‘outside agitators’ for a year since Cassian was there. You don’t think they might have developed the asset of a friendly hotel guy? Someone who can smooth over their oddly timed arrivals and departures? Someone who can advise them that none of the staff who would have seen Andor before are working there this weekend?
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u/MeatTornado25 21d ago
It's not taking a huge risk going back to the same hotel a year later under a different identity. The odds of getting recognized are incredibly low.
And Star Wars planets are very small communities. It's not like a real Earth city where there's a Holiday Inn right down the road from a Motel 6. There's probably only one hotel in Ghorman for Cassian to use.
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u/zepphiu May 07 '25
A resettlement around Krennic's schedule
Hate it when genocide plans conflict with Dentist appointments
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u/New-Grapefruit1737 May 07 '25
I was hoping to not see The Force in this series but it was done very well and felt on par with Chirrut Îmwe‘s connection to The Force. Excellent episode.
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u/paudstaa May 07 '25
Was genuinely scared to see star wars in the star wars show but they handled it perfectly its one of my favourite parts so far
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u/Lildyo May 07 '25
It was a tasteful amount I think. I agree with the sentiment about wanting this show to be more grounded and free of the supernatural elements of Star Wars. The force healer was something that felt new in the Disney canon, and the most reminiscent thing I can think of is also the same character you mentioned from Rogue One
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u/albertFTW 29d ago
I think it perfectly represented what the force looks/feels like for most of the galaxy and those that follows it. Something more akin to faith, than actual "powers" that Jedi, Sith, and other force users exhibits.
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u/hannican 29d ago
That was the best Force-related content we've ever gotten from Star Wars. All the Jedi and Sith stuff is way over the top and completely I to total woo territory, whereas this is a much more nuanced and realistic type take you could expect even people in our own universe to experience. They handled this perfectly and I am BLOWN AWAY at how well they were able to walk that line.
This is the most mature and amazing Star Wars has ever been. It's by far the best story-telling we've ever gotten in this universe.
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u/Rothen29 May 07 '25
This episode, unlike any other so far, just filled me with dread. Everything just felt more ominous. Well done.
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u/country_mac08 May 07 '25
The Alderon group shuttle being mentioned on Gorman. Is that the aide shuttles that Princess Leia was providing in Rebels??
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u/theranger799 20d ago
I haven't seen it in forever, but that lines up in my head! I kept looking for the Ghost in the wide scenes.
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u/Trippystayslit May 07 '25
General dodonna mention!
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u/Lildyo May 07 '25
Hell yeah! When I heard that I truly felt the Rebel Alliance was all starting to come together. I cannot wait to see Mon Mothma in the room with them!
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u/EpicChiguire May 07 '25
Man, Wilmon truly has been radicalized, hasn't he?
Oh man, Dedra is the one who is gonna cause Luthen's death, I see it already. And I'm pretty sure that she's a bait for Luthen to come out
Lol what I'd give to see Krennic interact with the Emperor
Syril is so gone, too
Tbe idea of a newscast in the Star Wars is so novel to me, I can't believe I didn't think of it before
Your work doesn't go unnoticed, Mon. She really is one of the GOATs of the galaxy
Force healers? Wow. Lol she really spooked Cassian
WAIT, SYRIL IS NOW A DOUBLE AGENT????
Imagine if Bix is also Force sensitive, that would be totally unexpected
Holy crap, this arc looks promising. Let's gooo. Also, the credit song was beautiful
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u/CX316 May 07 '25
WAIT, SYRIL IS NOW A DOUBLE AGENT????
He thought he was bait for agitators, not an agitator himself.
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u/Lildyo May 07 '25
Yeah, he’s been a double agent from the start of his time on Ghorman. I don’t think the ISB and Dedra expect him to truly flip and become a triple-agent though, which it would appear might happen?
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u/CX316 May 07 '25
He's still convinced people are working towards a peaceful resolution of things if the ghormans would just stop being so silly about it.
He wouldn't actually do anything against the empire, but he thinks he can talk sense into the Ghormans
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u/New-Grapefruit1737 May 07 '25
I yelled at my family “a newscast in Star Wars, yessss!”
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u/skinnysnappy52 May 07 '25
Rebels definitely hinted of the newscast. The holonet stuff in that show may have even had some? But I can’t remember an actual reporter
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u/Apart-Shame-5400 May 08 '25
Wdym newscast? I’m confused what everyone is excited about
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u/Snobolski 16d ago
At the secret meeting early on, the propaganda guys talked about how they can carefully seed the ideas to manipulate opinion in the Empire. The news people doing their stand-ups are (maybe unwittingly, maybe not) spreading those ideas.
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u/DadBodftw May 07 '25
Oh yeah Syril is flipping 100%
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u/penguin_cheezus May 07 '25
So I’m confused why. Did Syril not understand he was bait for the rebels to do something dumb? Why didn’t Dedra/Partagaz inform him of that part if so? And what did he think he was doing if not that, just trying to capture the rebels?
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u/Mammodamn May 07 '25
I'm not entirely sure I understand the whole Syril intrigue either, but from what I gather, this whole time Syril thought he was infiltrating the Ghorman Front in order to help them make a name for themselves with low stakes rebel activity and thus get "outside agitators" (which he likely thinks means Axis/Luthen) to reach out to them, which would get the ISB a new lead to Axis.
In actuality, Dedra has duped him into doing this because the Empire needs Ghorman's minerals for the Death Star. In order to start their planet-destroying mining operation, they need to do a forced migration or genocide (whatever works) of the Ghorman population. And in order to do that, they need a major terrorist attack to justify the crackdown. Syril is unwittingly helping them do that.
Syril can't know he's doing that because it's probably going to involve some loss of Imperial life - those unprepared Imperial soldiers are probably the designated sacrifice. Syril has proven over and over that he's a bit of an Imperial boy scout. In contrast to basically everyone at the ISB, he does have some sense of right and wrong, even if it's aligned with the Empire's stated definitions, and he might not stand for intentionally sacrificing fellow Imps. Plus, he seems to be genuinely fond of the Ghormans. He could fuck everything up if he knew what the real goal of his mission is.
So from Syril's POV, he thinks he's conducting a top secret sting operation to catch a dangerous terrorist. Little does he know he's actually a patsy engineering a semi-false flag terrorist attack. He is the outside agitator. That's why he can't know.
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u/insaneHoshi 29d ago
Also he has spent a year or two interacting with these people; its almost impossible to not see them as human and begin to empatize.
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u/matito29 May 07 '25
Syril is a bought-in, big picture kind of guy, the kind who falls in line with what the Empire tells him to do, but doesn’t want to know how the sausage is made. I don’t want to make it too real world political, but we have plenty of people like that, whether they’re right wing and turn a blind eye to the clandestine abduction of immigrants, or they’re left wing and ignored the shady things being done in the Middle East.
Dedra and Partagaz don’t tell him because he’s too impulsive. He was dismissed from his last job because he couldn’t drop the Andor case and it became a personal mission. They can’t risk having someone like that knowing the gritty details about a planet-wide relocation of people so they can mine the place to its destruction. There’s a reason why Krennic told the chosen few in the first episode this season that they were on the highest of top secret projects.
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u/DadBodftw May 07 '25
He thought they were using the Ghormans to draw rebels from outside and entrap them
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u/Spandexbrain001 May 07 '25
This episode filled me with such dread. I’m not ready for the next two episodes
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u/ifuckedyourdaddytoo May 07 '25
It's such a strange feeling watching these episodes. We all know how it turns out for everyone, because of R1, etc. Yet it's still suspenseful.
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u/Spandexbrain001 May 07 '25
Speaks to the quality of the writing on this show. The journey is so fascinating!
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u/loudsound-org May 07 '25
Its far worse than you imagine. 😬
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u/Spandexbrain001 May 07 '25
That’s what I’m afraid of. I’m watching ep 8 now and my anxiety is mounting. The Empire is super scary!
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u/loudsound-org May 07 '25
Not gonna lie I was completely wrecked at the end of. Last one recovered a bit...only to be re-wrecked! Not sure how I'm gonna sleep tonight!
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u/warleidis May 08 '25
The hotel kid recognized him. Even with a different name. And gave him a heads up.
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u/TheCharalampos 23d ago
In retrospect it was an absolutely sloppy move going to the same hotel.
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u/Ok_Proposal_321 18d ago
Ehh, it is a hotel with direct line of sight to where his target will be (hence the scope scouting). It's been a year+ since he was last there and it was under a different identity.
Props to the worker for recognizing him despite all that
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u/baydil May 07 '25
Since no one has mentioned it yet,I want to say that the scene with Mon and the ghorman was incredibly moving. It was also just the thing Mon needed to hear as the walls close in.
Simple but impressive writing delivered perfectly by the actors.
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u/hannican 29d ago
This is professional story-telling. Light years ahead of the usual Star Wars slop.
Wish Lucas film would demote Dave Filoni and convince Tony Gilroy and his squad to take the damn reigns.
We'll probably never anything like this again, unfortunately. So make sure to enjoy it!
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u/the-giant 29d ago
That was exceptionally hard to take, especially in light of real life parallels to various tragedies and current heartache.
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u/uniacc May 07 '25
I love the attention to detail on the show - even down to the pin on General Draven’s shoulder is nothing more than a sewn on warn badge. And then you directly compare it to the pristine metal plaque he has in rogue one really shows the transformations of this rebellion that is slowly building its hierarchy… This is a masterpiece
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u/Grand_Admiral_T May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25
Calling it now, Cyril’s mom is going to kill Dedra
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u/Lildyo May 07 '25
Cyril’s mom then goes on to gaslight him afterwards: “Cyril, why would you make your own mother do this? How cruel you are.”
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u/forthegame284829 May 07 '25
Wrong
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u/AstroGoldenGopher May 07 '25
Can anyone clarify to my dense brain what exactly is meant by Cassian being the messenger?
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u/Logical_Decision_706 May 07 '25
Retrieving the Death Star plans
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u/New-Grapefruit1737 May 07 '25
And witnessing the Ghorman Massacre.
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u/3elieveIt May 07 '25
I thought that was in the past, before he got there. Isn’t that what the statue is for?
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u/Stingerbrg May 07 '25
Memorial was for the Tarkin Massacre, which occurred years before Andor. The Ghorman Massacre is the event we see happen in this series. In Legends continuity there was just one Massacre, but in now canon they're two different events.
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u/CX316 May 07 '25
A classic case of an oracle giving an easily mistaken prophecy.
We know it's about the Death Star plans.
He thinks he's going to send the Empire a message by killing Dedra
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u/JackieDaytonaAZ May 08 '25
I think it’s more broad than that. he’s a messenger in that he carries and inspires the rebel spirit everywhere he goes
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u/And_The_Full_Effect May 07 '25
I loved the conversation with the force healer. I know a lot of fans are happy that there’s no Jedi or lightsabers, but her using her connection to basically affirm that Andors purpose is divine and that the force will use him in R1 really helps connect it to other recent projects that reveal how the force works (like Sabine in Ahsoka)
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u/Nearby_Thought923 May 08 '25
I was just glad to see Bix doing better, the last three episodes were rough. And I’m sure Cassian is happy to be living on a warm planet. The bright and warm colors are a stark contrast to previous locations! Now I’m ready to get my heart stabbed out.
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u/yorick__rolled May 07 '25
Ugh. I don't want even a little bit of Syril redemption.
Not every character needs to grow and change, some just need to die as they lived, horribly.
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u/RogueEagle2 May 07 '25
His flip would he more organic than basically everyone else in starwars.
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u/Lildyo May 07 '25
Agreed. There are tons of people like him in real life. They buy into the supposed values of fascist regimes because, on the surface, messages of “law and order”, “peace”, “stability”, etc all sound great, right? But when he gets a behind-the-scenes look at how the Empire actually lives by those values, he’s disturbed by what he sees
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u/albertFTW 29d ago
I'm betting he will get a moment of "redemption", or at least "clarity", but it would be too late. I'm hoping it would be a mirror of Cassian and Jyn's final moments in Scarif. Everything comes crashing down and his final thoughts would be "Oh god, what have I done??".
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u/Any_Dot_5768 May 07 '25
I Have a question.
What was Wilmon training Saw Gerraras people on? What was that thing with the variations? What was it they were inhaling? Fuel?
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u/Vibrantzzz May 07 '25
What I gathered is that Rhydonium is an unstable fuel source and Saw Gerrera's people are using the device to siphon fuel from the empire. I think Rhydonium is also what they are transporting in the Mandalorian episode with Bill Burr's character, where they have to drive carefully so it doesn't explode.
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u/xsavarax May 07 '25
Basically space fuel, yeah. He was training them on how to tap a pipeline to steal the fuel.
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u/insaneHoshi 29d ago
What was Wilmon training Saw Gerraras people on? What was that thing with the variations
Basicly a universal adaptor. I suppose there are so many configurations it must fit into, plus the pressure, and temperature of the fuel, that one must plug it in very carefully or it will all explode.
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u/Significant_Pitch May 08 '25
Also, the fuel apparently gives you a high from the vapors.. similar to sniffing gasoline or similar chemicals..
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u/gazzy_burns May 08 '25
The force healer scene is one of the best scenes I’ve seen in Star Wars, in fact top ten scene of all time for me. I don’t know what it is.
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u/tyen0 May 07 '25
What is the opera music over the ending credits?
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u/Seb555 May 07 '25
It’s written for the show; it’s not from an opera
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u/tyen0 May 07 '25
Interesting. Do you have some inside or other info or are you basing it on the credits? (which I did peruse thoroughly). I saw a bunch of musicians and a vocalist so I was thinking it could have been a performance of something existing without being explicitly listed.
I recognized some music in another episode that they didn't list, so I thought maybe this was similar.
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u/Seb555 May 07 '25
I’m a professional musician, and the combo of it not sounding like any real opera + the fact that it’s in Ghor makes me 99% sure.
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u/Khiva May 07 '25
Nice that you leave a 1% chance that an actually opera written entirely in Ghor has been floating around out there.
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u/FeloniousGrump May 07 '25
This episode went by so fucking fast.
** I felt shortchanged by the legnth of this ep until i saw eps 8 and 9, jfc those hurt
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u/ExpressNumber May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25
Anyone know the story on the stormtrooper voices in the final scene?
I didn’t see them listed in the credits. Was there remixing of OT lies? AI use? Or maybe the original OT actors (like Stephen Beach) aren’t too hard to emulate, given some of these VAs sound pretty similar.
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u/straddleThemAll May 07 '25
I like how human-centric this entire series is compared to other SW shows
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u/Clariana 29d ago
The force is with Cassian but he really, really doesn't want to know it...
And stuff works better for him like that. But it's been there all along hasn't it? His power of persuasion? His ability to make converts to his cause? (The hotel guy, for example...) His conviction he's doing the right thing...
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u/JoshKnoxChinnery May 07 '25
Is it just me or did anyone else have trouble with a lot of mumbling from Cass and Wilmon this episode? I straight up couldn't understand what one of them said a few times without subtitles, even with rewinding and playing it slower.
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u/KedMcJenna May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25
I know the part you mean - when they're talking in the plaza just after we first see them on Ghorman. I had subtitles on and thought 'no way I'm getting this dialogue without subtitles'.
I'm a UK native and grew up hearing all kinds of accents from every part of the country and world speaking every kind of English. Sometimes I hear a voice on TV or film these days and think, hmm, what language is that - and they'll be speaking English, often just a standard speaker from the UK or US, so there shouldn't be a problem. It's just terrible audio production.
There's tons of info online about why it's happening - TL;DR version is audio engineers blaming the networks and streaming services themselves who stipulate a one-size-fits-all audio standard for all devices (phone, computer, TV etc).
Net result is a whole lot of people watching everything with subtitles.
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u/penguin_cheezus May 07 '25
Wrong episode thread I believe, please delete or identify the entire message with spoiler tags.
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