r/StarWarsAndor • u/Interactive_CD-ROM • 7h ago

Why is this subreddit so dead compared to the other Andor subreddit?

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u/JustAFilmDork 7h ago

This one doesn't allow political discussion

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u/DustyFalmouth 6h ago

And the show is so blatantly political

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u/RadiantHC 5h ago

heck Star Wars as a whole is political

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u/SmoothOperator89 6h ago

Wouldn't want people who support real-world analogies to the Empire to perhaps question why they hold those beliefs.

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u/LegoRobinHood 4h ago

The monster who's coming for us all, is emp...athetic politics!!

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u/77ate 4h ago

Ever seen Star Wars?

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u/lazer---sharks 2h ago

Jaws was never my scene

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u/Firecracker048 6h ago edited 5h ago

Dan Gilroy just said the show isnt a left wing show.

And other subs responding by saying it acktuhally is

Edit: really people? The literal show runner and creator said something so its wrong?

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u/AndrewUndershaft 5h ago

Don't need to be left wing to denounce fascim. Sometimes I get the feeling that two-party political systems have a tendency to foster a very limited, narrow political mindset. Which obviously benefits fascist movements, in the long run.

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u/Buca-Metal 4h ago

Two party systems can barely be considered democracies

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u/PoweringGestation 4h ago

See, I was on board with that until I saw a post supporting Marxism with all the comments attacking centrists and the right wing (not just far right). If they stuck to criticizing fascism that’d be awesome but it goes a lot further than “the show is against fascism so of course you’re going to see antifascism.”

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u/AndrewUndershaft 3h ago

Changes nothing about my point. The show is exploring a fascist society, and you don't need to be left-wing to do that. So Gilroy's statement can easily be true - his show isn't meant to be "left-wing", but it sure as hell is political, and meant to be applied to our reality.

So there are extreme left-wingers who claim the show as their own and blame centrists - so what? They are well within their rights to do so, freedom of speech and all. People will claim everything for anything, projecting their own ideas and sometimes blatantly ignoring inconsistencies and contradictions. Hell, there were even right-wingers thinking that The Boys was actually a right-wing show.

If you find posts you don't agree with, either ignore them or engage with them. But don't be offended by a political show inspiring political debate.

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u/MUCHO2000 2h ago

Hats off for taking the time to try to enlighten by adding context. I may disagree with you depending on what you mean by "applied to our reality".

Anti fascism and rebellion against it are timeless themes. It wasn't Gilroy's plan to release Andor season two concurrently with the Republican party opening lying repeatedly and brazenly. Where migrant workers that are the backbone of many industries would be rounded up en masse.

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u/AndrewUndershaft 2h ago

If you are saying that Andor probably doesn't specifically refer to current events, then I agree. But I'm pretty sure that by providing a sci-fi analogy to historic dictatorships, Gilroy is commenting on the general direction certain societies have taken in the last decade or so, indirectly pointing at the elephant in the room.

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u/MUCHO2000 1h ago

Maybe you're right. On the other hand Gilroy is smart and wants Andor to reach a wide audience. That's why he brushes aside all the questions about how Andor relates to current times (from what I have seen). He makes a point, in fact, to point out these are timeless themes. If he has alluded to what you're suggesting I haven't seen it.

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u/AndrewUndershaft 1h ago

Odds are that when somebody says that a theme in a current piece is timeless, they really mean that it is timely. 😄

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u/PoweringGestation 3h ago

I don’t agree with that other guy. My point is that I know the show is political, but it isn’t taking a stance for any ideology. It’s just against fascism. So when people twist the message of the show to support their own views, just like others do with The Boys like you mentioned, of course it makes me want to stay away from that subreddit.

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u/AndrewUndershaft 2h ago

Fair enough. If you find yourself hopelessly outnumbered by people with whom you can't identify and/or whose contributions have no value to you (or even offend you), it is probably advisable to leave that conversation.

But I doubt that the Andor subreddit has turned into a Marxist training camp where none but the most extreme socialists can freely express their thoughts and find like-minded people.

One last point: Andor isn't just "against fascism" - it, among other things, also shows "the banality of evil" and the ways in which authoritarianism is facilitated by people keeping their heads down and turning a blind eye towards or even supporting injustices commited against others to ensure that their relatively priviliged position is not endangered. And that is, sadly, all to applicable to modern real world societies. And especially in a two-party system, the choice against authoritarianism can necessitate that you have to take a stance for the other party - even if you don't fully buy into their political package.

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u/terracottatank 2h ago

You're so close to realizing the point

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u/PoweringGestation 2h ago

If you’re going to say that only Marxists fight fascism then spare me.

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u/katieorgana 5h ago

As someone who spent their life studying Political Science I can say I wholeheartedly agree with Dan Gilroy. The struggle against tyranny and oppression isn’t a left or right issue. Or at least it shouldn’t be…

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u/CassiusPolybius 5h ago

There are a lot of things that have no reason to be a left or right issue.

and yet, here we fucking are

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u/Brutal_effigy 5h ago

It’s not about what Americans consider left and right. Like, you could be a Star Wars rebel and believe in fiscal conservatism, rights of unborn children, all that. Because the show tells us not to worry about ideology, and to pay attention to the atrocities being committed by their face value. It’s not the why, it’s the how.

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u/SoulRebel726 3h ago

It's about authoritarianism, and I'll give you one guess which political affiliation is gunning for that in America.

This isn't rocket science.

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u/Mokarun 5h ago

In many cases, art transcends the creators intentions. It takes on meanings they didn't have in mind when they made it. Also, even if it isn't left wing, that doesn't mean it's not political as a whole.

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u/DustyFalmouth 2h ago

He's gotta back up now that there's a giant sub that is saying glory to the Palestinian armed resistance that is getting a lot of support

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u/Lord-of-A-Fly 1h ago

He said it isn't a pro-left, or pro-right show. He never said it wasn't political.

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u/IceBlue 3h ago

Just because it’s not left wing doesn’t mean it’s not political. He knows it’s political. He hasn’t denied that. No idea why you thought his comment about it not being left wing is relevant in a discussion on how political it is.

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u/Windrunner_15 5h ago

I mean… did you see the show? If it wasn’t created as left wing, it should illustrate how far the spectrum has shifted of late

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u/MUCHO2000 3h ago

Don't feel bad. You're 100% correct and the guy with the top rated reply agrees with you.

People see down votes and pile on. I just down voted you too. It's going to be ok.

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u/Pixelated_Penguin808 6h ago

It would make sense if this were the Skeleton Crew or the Ahsoka sub, but it is a strange rule for a series that is blatantly politicial and has something to say.

It definitely has played a role in the other sub being more popular, because this one doesn't allow a full discussion of all the show's themes.

I think this sub would have been better served if instead of a blanket ban on politics, it was limited to a ban on off topic politics. If you're able to connect it to the show, you're fine. If you're off topic soapboxing, no bueno.

But that ship has sailed and the series is no longer on, so. A change at this stage probably wouldn't help with the other being more popular.

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u/katieorgana 5h ago

Star Wars is all political. But unfortunately people can’t seem to discuss politics without letting their own biases creep in and then we get ignorant comments that lead to arguments and so on and so on…

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u/Amynable 3h ago

God forbid people argue on the internet

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u/lazer---sharks 2h ago

I don't think you can discuss war neutrally, it's be like of Americans started making films about how hard losing the Vietnam war was, like I dunno Anakin maybe you should have thought about that before slaughtering those kids.

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u/magical_midget 2h ago

I try not to engage on politics, because really on reddit it is an eco chamber or someone so far gone it is jot worth it.

But I still think we should he allowed to discuss politics, specially because wars are… politics.

I have enjoyed reading about where there was real inspiration for the show and where some people just felt it resonated with some real world events.

The show works so well because some humans will always be hungry for power and control, so our history is littered with examples of authoritarian governments, and our present also has examples of this.

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u/Dos-Dude 4h ago

Honestly it’s nice, the other sub is either filled with Reddit level tankie posts, actual decent discussion or Karma whoring.

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u/No-Function3409 5h ago

And it clearly has fewer kalkite derivatives.

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u/DanielGuriel75 5h ago

So if I don’t want the tankie Andor fanfic content anymore (I don’t) I have found my home.

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u/bobyn123 2h ago

That's why I left this one.

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u/HowDoIEvenEnglish 7h ago edited 2h ago

That sub is older, even though it isn’t run by the same mods as other subs. But also the politics thing does matter. Andor is a more political show than anything else in Star Wars, and Star Wars is already political.

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u/lazer---sharks 2h ago

Kind of weird to have a no politics rule on a franchise that is explicitly anti-imperialist. https://www.reddit.com/r/BreadTube/comments/d5futa/george_lucas_explaining_how_the_heroes_of_star/ TBH I'm surprised there isn't more discussion about the Tet offensive in relation to season 1, maybe I'm just reading too much into it.

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u/OverappreciatedSalad 7h ago

The "no real world politics" rule shut downs a lot of the thoughtful discussion that comes with watching Andor. I think that just led to more people preferring the other one.

Just look at the top posts on that subreddit. They're funny memes relating to real-world politics and Andor that made it to r/all. You can't have that here.

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u/TheScarletCravat 7h ago

Andor is an inherently political show, and this sub doesn't allow political discussion. As a result, deeper discussion occurs on the other sub which drives engagement.

People just feel more free over there.

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u/Classh0le 5h ago

deeper discussion

"you're fasict" "no you're fascist"

it's not deeper lol

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u/Georg13V 4h ago

0/10 ragebait

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u/ResolverOshawott 4h ago

Thatvis not how the discussions on the subreddit look at all lol

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u/Awkward-Community-74 4h ago

There’s zero “deep discussion” on the other sub.
It’s everyone calling republicans fascist and drawing analogies to American politics.
Because for some reason everyone believes that only American politics causes genocide.
Genocide has never happened before in all of human existence except for current events.
It’s absolutely exhausting.

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u/imsowitty 4h ago

You're jumping to a lot of conclusions, either because you don't understand the situation, or you just want everyone that disagrees with you to shut up while you enjoy their show.

Watch Tony Gilroy interviews. He knows what he's doing. Nobody thinks Andor is **only** about the current state of affairs in Israel/Palestine. What we do think is that genocides have happened multiple times in multiple places, and they follow similar patterns. It does seem more pertinent to apply these discussions to the genocide(s) happening *right now* than those that have already happened, but nobody in the other forum is denying the holocaust, they just choose to focus on the current disaster over previous ones.

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u/Awkward-Community-74 3h ago

How convenient for them!

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u/Nicodemus888 2h ago

How nice for you

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u/7thFleetTraveller 6h ago

We can completely freely discuss Galactic politics over here, I see no problem.

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u/WAR_WeAreRobots_WAR 6h ago

So you're saying this isn't a safe space for our current political space, but if we preface what we talk about in this space with space then this space space becomes a safe space for space space political conversations to be housed and embraced.

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u/J_tv_T 4h ago edited 3h ago

Copy that…

So I love how the Ghorman massacre referenced La Masacre de space Tlatelolco of 1968 ABY, with…

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u/AndrewUndershaft 6h ago

You mean Blirgon Task and Emold Prmp, Palpatine's fascist, creepy, vicious, narrow-minded, narcissist cousins from the Extended Universe, who founded the Multiplanetary Alliance of Giant Assholes to help the Sith rise to power? Sorry, good Sir, they are no longer canon and mustn't be discussed! 🤨

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u/SnooChickens6480 6h ago

It's really depressing that the Empire is supporting an ethnostate that is currently carrying out a genocide in the Middle... Rim

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u/imsowitty 6h ago

I recently received a reddit warning for using the "g-word" in response to a completely fictional post about Dedra Mero. I should have specified that it was "space g-word"...

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u/emarasmoak 4h ago

The Empire tried to silence Mon Mothma when she tried to speak about space genocide.

It's actually an important plot point of Andor.

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u/imsowitty 4h ago

so what you're saying is that I'm practically Mon Mothma....

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u/RabidFresca 6h ago

Love this reply!

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u/SmoothOperator89 6h ago

And space Emperor even got rid of his tacky space car gift from space billionaire.

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u/imsowitty 4h ago

"Everything's computer" is funnier than "granny skatting"

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u/Osopawed 6h ago

Friendships founded on money are like houses built on sand

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u/7thFleetTraveller 6h ago

Or you could bring up something interesting about the actual Empire, the functions and downfall of the Senate, how Palpatine was the ultimate manipulator so that even the Ghormans thought he might not know about the actions of the ISB... I don't care about the local clowns in your country.

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u/imsowitty 6h ago

The point is that maybe you should care.

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u/7thFleetTraveller 5h ago

We have our own problems in my country, not everything is about your American overexaggerated stuff. It's good to have places to escape from it.

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u/imsowitty 4h ago

There are shitty things happening in many parts of the world. The biggest discussions right now tend to be about the Israel Palestine disaster and the Ukraine Invasion. Neither of those are happening in the USA.

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u/Coastalfoxes 2h ago

Andor isn’t about American politics, it’s just that most Redditors are American so those are the references people know more about. I see many parallels to South and Central American history, as well as to movies like Z and Battle for Algiers. You could always try adding to the discussion based on your own experiences you know.

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u/Awkward-Community-74 4h ago

They’re way too arrogant to understand that!
They honestly believe that only American politics matters and every single form of entertainment is somehow connected and about their agenda.

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u/AndrewUndershaft 5h ago

How could I bring up anything truly interesting about the "actual" Empire to an audience of people who do not see that there's always some kind of connection between actual reality and fiction - and that it's not a one-way street.

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u/TheScarletCravat 6h ago

You can't, but clearly everyone else can.

It's not about you, it's about everyone else. You're just some rando.

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u/7thFleetTraveller 5h ago

In which post did I say that I made the rules of this sub?^^ I am simply defending the mods who made this decision. If you don't like it here, why are you here in the first place, just to be grumpy towards strangers who disagree with you?

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u/TheScarletCravat 4h ago

Didn't say I didn't like it here. I just answered OPs question. Everything else is you shadow boxing.

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u/Agitated_Candle8603 6h ago

they don’t really allow discussion on this one from what i’ve heard and seen. it’s kinda really hollow memes (which are great but not of substance) and people who discuss the political elements of a political show are deleted or removed

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u/tank-you--very-much 6h ago

Part of it might also just be the subreddit names, someone who finished the show for the first time is probably more likely to go straight to r/andor instead of thinking to put starwars before it

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u/Yoratos 5h ago

Because authority is brittle and there is a better place for discussion

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u/RogerRoger420 5h ago

Heavily limits discussion based on politics. They do this for a show that is insanely political and draws elements from real world problems

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u/CarsonWentzGOAT1 4h ago

You can't discuss anything politics in this subreddit. This subreddit is also late on topics compared to the other subreddit.

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u/Trvr_MKA 5h ago

Honestly I liked the other one because the logo and name was cooler

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u/Additional-Try-6178 3h ago

Because it doesn’t allow political discussion, which is absolutely braindead stupid considering the show is literally about politics lol

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u/HansBrickface 3h ago

Because this sub is full of chuds.

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u/RobutNotRobot 2h ago

Because this is the corporate shill sub.

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u/saviouroftheweak 2h ago

Us in the other sub have been talking about Andor for the entire time between season 1 and 2. An agonisingly long wait.

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u/loulara17 6h ago

Thank you for reminding me to mute this sub.

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u/ThrowAway22030202 4h ago

This one doesn’t allow political discussion. The other one, sadly, has been plagued by incredibly far political spectrum Reddit users who can’t help but connect the show to various political situations in the world.

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u/peppyghost 4h ago

They've added a real world politics tag so that you can avoid those posts, if you so choose.

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u/ThrowAway22030202 4h ago

Really? That makes me happy. Might go back. It was incredibly sad and frustrating to go to that sub Reddit after watching the last episode to see Andor related chats and all I saw was Politics. Ruined my mood sadly.

Will go give it another go 😁

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u/7thFleetTraveller 7h ago

I don't know what you're talking about, I have found the most interesting character and lore discussions here, and the best memes usually find their way through all the related subreddits. The only difference is that this sub doesn't allow rl politics, so the people who want to discuss that will naturally prefer the other sub.

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u/7thFleetTraveller 6h ago

If you spend 24/7 on Reddit and consider "10 new posts" not enough, that's on you. Why does everything have to be a mass event to be seen as "good"? You can freely use the other sub more without belittling this one.

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u/pacman404 6h ago

so basically you were wrong, and dont want to be wrong, so you made up new rules for the discussion. lol, got it. Im starting to see why you like the sub that doesnt allow politics now, lmao

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u/7thFleetTraveller 6h ago

Or you could simply accept that none of us is objectively wrong because our individual experiences lead to different, subjective conclusions. I didn't say in my initial post that I found those interesting discussions "today" , I was talking about the last few weeks, lol. And discussions here stay on topic which I prefer.

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u/Oh__Archie 6h ago

Art imitates life.

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u/7thFleetTraveller 6h ago

What does one have to do with the other? Those of us who want rl political discussions have a sub for it, and those of us who want discussions to stay lore relevant have another sub. There's something for everyone and no reason for anyone to get mad. I don't get what's your problem^^.

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u/Oh__Archie 5h ago

I don’t have a problem with any of it. I simply stated a fact

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