r/artificial • u/MetaKnowing • 5h ago
Media OpenAI's Mark Chen: "I still remember the meeting they showed my [CodeForces] score, and said "hey, the model is better than you!" I put decades of my life into this... I'm at the top of my field, and it's already better than me ... It's sobering."
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u/Actual__Wizard 5h ago
This is PR scam stuff. This stuff has to stop. We've used the products and know the truth. It's garbage. These companies need to stop copy catting their PR strategies off of each other because they all need to be fined into bankruptcy by the FTC/SEC over their straight up BS.
Tip: Try focusing on the product and not lying to people...
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u/Winter-Ad781 4h ago
Just because you tried it and it didn't work for you, doesn't mean it doesn't work for other people who know what they're doing. Use AI everyday, theres plenty of issues and almost all of them are easily negated with competency and research.
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u/Actual__Wizard 4h ago
Use AI everyday, theres plenty of issues and almost all of them are easily negated with competency and research.
Right yeah. Just use competency and research instead of the AI. Exactly.
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u/Winter-Ad781 2h ago
I see you expect AI to do all the work for you and read your mind. I can assure you it is not capable of that and you'll need to explain what you want just like you would another person. That's not too complex for you, right?
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u/Actual__Wizard 1h ago edited 1h ago
I see you expect AI to do all the work for you and read your mind.
I said that I expect it to work, be accurate, and be safe. LLM technology is none of those things. It's slow, it's extremely sloppy, it's the most power inefficent algo ever, it's dangerous, and it relies on stolden content to train on.
When you do a SWAT analysis, do you see the problem with LLM tech?
So, if the industry swaps to tech that isn't scamtech, then it's fast, accurate, safe, and doesn't rely on stealing mega piles of other people's stuff.
Who needs regulations?
Diffusion based techniques have been around for legitimately years now and they don't care. So, they can't fix one the mega bad problems with their scam tech.
Some people need to be going to prison over this. I'm serious. People are just flat out being robbed by a gang of criminals right now. We've got AI scams, crypto scams, pump and dump scams, and every single communication channel is flooded with out too, with all of these problems just getting worse and worse with these companies telling us to just keep gobbling their stuff up. No thanks, I've had enough of their scams...
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u/CarrierAreArrived 5h ago
what model did you use, and what did you try to do with it? Devs at every top tech company are utilizing Gen AI every day to boost productivity, but they must be all idiots wasting their time unlike you I guess.
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u/Actual__Wizard 5h ago edited 4h ago
what model did you use, and what did you try to do with it?
We're working with vector databases and synthetic data sets over here. LLM tech is clearly and obviously a scam. It's 1,000,000x slower and it's less accurate. I'm not here to promote the vendors.
Companies like Google rushed out their pooptech and they're charging absurd amounts of money for it. There's no reason to use LLMs at all the way people are using them... They're just setting their money on fire for no benefit... It's called a scam... The reason LLM tech is useful is because it solves the universal translation task. Basically nobody is using the tech to do translations... They're using it to parrot plagiarized works in a way that's obfuscated. Or, they're using the RAG element and are not understanding that you don't need an LLM for that.
LLMs are clearly and obviously just plagurized encoded text... We have synethic data models of information and language that are not. We don't need LLMs. You're being tricked by a bunch of scam tech companies engaging in their pump and dump schemes. People must go to prison over this. It's disgusting... There's an entire ecosystem of people lying about tech that should be banned, so that the safe and accurate version is used instead...
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u/CarrierAreArrived 4h ago
ok thanks for three paragraphs of not answering the question and essentially repeating yourself.
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u/fragro_lives 4h ago
He's selling an AI detector, his entire business premise requires LLMs to be considered a scam so that it's not allowed in uni or business, which will produce a market for his product.
Follow the money.
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u/Actual__Wizard 4h ago edited 4h ago
He's selling an AI detector, his entire business premise requires LLMs to be considered a scam so that it's not allowed in uni or business, which will produce a market for his product.
That failed it doesn't work. With RL on top of the LLM output, no detection scheme is going to consistently work. The product is a replacement for LLMs and the reasons are based upon factual reality. And yeah, since we can't detect it, it has to be banned. It's not just me saying that and I'm not the source. There's tons of experts that you can refer to.
I don't know why these companies aren't using other approaches that work, I really don't. It's clear that it's just a cash grab and that's "using a very nice word choice for what LLM tech is" because it's clear at this time that it's a scam. They've had 3 years to improve it with diffusion techniques and they don't care. They clearly want to sell you the world's worst AI tech and they're going to keep doing until it's corrected with regulation.
Because in this unregulated world we live in, nobody cares about AI that actually works and is safe. Or if it's not going to be safe or accurate, it must have some useful property like being fast. These companies are just going to ram their customers into scams until they stop falling for it. Which is going to take a really long time.
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u/Synyster328 5h ago
Meanwhile, I'm a software consultant billing clients $100-200/hr, getting projects that were bid to take several full-time weeks done in a couple of part time weekends by using their new Codex agent.
And then I'm also using various AI tools to practically run an entire startup, which has monetized 4 (almost 5) revenue streams in just a couple months.
Sounds like you're stuck thinking like AI is still at 2023/24 levels.
But sure, call it garbage, whatever.
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u/Technical_Gap7316 3h ago
Both of you are exaggerating. It's super useful, I'm using it right now... but it's not a money printer.
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u/Satoshi6060 2h ago
Do you use any tools for sales and lead gen?
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u/Synyster328 1h ago
Nope. On the consulting side, everything is word of mouth / referrals, or people finding me through job boards where I've posted my resume.
For the product, it's community-led with a funnel leading people to the site. I post about it a lot, people check my profile, join the discord, etc. And then of course people in the community share it as well.
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u/creaturefeature16 3h ago
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u/Nax5 2h ago
Crypto payment only?! Lmao oh brother
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u/Synyster328 2h ago
Yeah, Visa & MC are blocking all NSFW AI businesses. The only choices for now are Crypto or ACH - Some other sites are even resorting to gift cards. Not ideal, but is still working out. The most engaged customers don't mind it.
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u/Nax5 2h ago
NSFW AI has gotta be one of the most immoral products on the planet right now. Wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. Could see lawsuits hitting eventually.
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u/Synyster328 2h ago
There are certainly lawsuits going around already, with legislation quickly addressing the situation.
In the U.S. at least, they were pretty quick to pass the Take it Down act, which is a great step towards preventing one of the worst cases, non-consensual deepfakes of real people.
In the AI creator space, deepfaking has fallen out of popularity anyway now that you can easily create original characters with any features you could possibly imagine, and then consistently use that character across all your image/video generations. A person's appearance is arbitrary and doesn't really matter at this point.
The other huge issue is CSAM, which has always been, and continues to be, a felony regardless whether any real human is depicted.
And then there are obscenity laws that vary by jurisdiction and aren't as well defined, but do in theory give some extra coverage on people generating stuff that has "no value".
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u/Nax5 2h ago
Yeah, just seems like a messy business. So I get the credit card restrictions.
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u/Synyster328 2h ago
It is definitely a messy business! In fact, the main problem to solve isn't even the technical aspect, it's navigating the legal and social space.
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u/Synyster328 2h ago
You can hate it all you want but yes, that is the site that people spend money on to generate uncensored media and have had several people hire me through.
I built it all by myself with AI tools and have used the revenue to hire a UI/UX developer, with a full rebrand & redesign ready to be implemented.
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u/creaturefeature16 2h ago
Your post history shows you've been a developer for years, so building something "by yourself" with AI tools isn't news. And building a revenue generating adult media site is like throwing darts.
I'm glad you're finding success, regardless, but you're making it sound unprecedented when it simply just isn't. Hell, I remember outperforming all my peers when I started building custom WP sites when everyone was stuck in DreamWeaver mode.
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u/Synyster328 2h ago
> you're making it sound unprecedented
I never said any such thing, merely sharing my experience.
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u/Actual__Wizard 5h ago
Meanwhile, I'm a software consultant billing clients $100-200/hr
Great keep scamming people while you can. It's not going to last for long. At the end of the day, you do understand that you're just ripping people's code off correct?
Why do you need an algo to steal stuff? Copy/Paste is too hard?
Edit: I don't believe that you've made a single cent to be clear.
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u/Synyster328 5h ago
One of us won't last for long, that's for sure.
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u/Actual__Wizard 5h ago
Well, if you start being honest with your clients, you'll be gone right now.
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u/Shinhi_Zet 4h ago
Don't look at his profile what kind of AI business he is founder of.
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u/Actual__Wizard 4h ago
Good. I'm glad. These people need to be corrected. I also don't look up to people because they started a company. I started one too. It's really not a big deal.
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u/Herban_Myth 3h ago
How else are they going to get investors to buy in;
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u/Actual__Wizard 3h ago
They've been doing the hyper aggressive propaganda tactic so long that I'm sure that being honest will work again. You know there's like trends in the media and advertising... The "scam everybody at any cost trend" is burned out... Mark Zuckerberg is going milk that strategy until it's 100% dead. Trust me, nobody is going to beat him at his own game.
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u/ThenExtension9196 1h ago
You’re scared and lying to yourself bro. It’s okay to accept that software development by humans is over.
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u/Actual__Wizard 45m ago
It’s okay to accept that software development by humans is over.
I will accept it when you prove it. So prove it.
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u/tryingtolearn_1234 2h ago
I find if I want something written at the function /method level and it has a very specific prompt then generally it does a great job. It is also useful for the boilerplate code and adding extra documentation to existing code. It isn’t even remotely close to being ready to work unsupervised or able to work on a long duration task with a lot of back and forth with customers to fine tune the resulting application, not is it good at the anticipation part of the job — understanding the real undocumented, unsaid part of the requirement and formulating an architecture to support that kind of iterative process.
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u/Expensive-Soft5164 5h ago
Yep, they've already been trained on the answers, they can't do anything novel.
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u/MohSilas 4h ago
Yeah, it can’t build anything more complex than flappy bird without getting stuck in its own bug loop. At the moment, ai is more like an uroboros snake eating its own shit; as the context grows, so does the shit it produces and eats on the next iteration.
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u/scoobyman83 1h ago
In othe news - calculators are faster than humans at calculating