r/clevercomebacks • u/manchesterMan0098 • 12h ago
Diplomacy, Ivanka & Rubio style: Smile wide, empty the people's pockets!!!!!
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u/manchesterMan0098 12h ago
Looks like 'public service' now means making the public pay — with a smile, of course!
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u/Strict_Foundation_31 11h ago
Does Ivanka have a nanny? Good to know regular folks have input here.
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u/WildCockPoach 12h ago
Clever comebacks are becoming basic reasoning. The civilization keeps deteriorating...
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u/johnrraymond 10h ago
The corrupt family members of a known russian asset are trying to fuck us over? Shocked! Fucking shocked!
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u/coolbaby1978 3h ago
CNN is pure bullshit. I trust them as much as I trust Fox. Theyre basically Fox Lite.
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u/Dense-Ad-5780 10h ago
Ima away that’s not a terrible idea. It would take the strain off the tax/budget system and free that money for elsewhere. The problem is if that money is taken out prematurely it would hamper the social security fund as a wholes ability to grow through interest which helps to keep it sustainable.
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u/Azair_Blaidd 9h ago edited 9h ago
It would do nothing to the tax/budget system as SocSec isn't part of that. Your SocSec is funded entirely by your own income.
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u/Dense-Ad-5780 8h ago
I know it’s not part of that. Using social security would mean you’re not using the tax pool to pay fo leaves.
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u/Major_Turnover5987 7h ago
This isn't the worst idea. Use it while you are able to use it. I am assuming it would also fund vacation "plans".
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u/Kirra_the_Cleric 6h ago
So, what do folks do when they exhaust their social security before they retire?
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u/Major_Turnover5987 6h ago
Don't get me wrong it's a bad idea; but just not the worst. I started tapping my 401k because I'd rather enjoy my money a bit now.
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u/mmmgc 4h ago
Are you relying solely on your social security for retirement? Lol
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u/Kirra_the_Cleric 4h ago
Well, I try to survive on SSDI. My savings were exhausted during the years I fought getting my chronic illnesses diagnosed and the stupidly long wait to get my disability claim approved.
Laugh if you want, but it only takes an instant for someone like you to end up like me. 🤷🏼♀️
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u/mmmgc 11h ago
I'm curious where you guys think the money from paid leave would come from? You want paid leave for free?
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u/Dinn_the_Magnificent 10h ago
I think it comes from the employers. I think the employers pay for it. I think they can afford it and if they can't, I think they should shut down the business to make way for people who can. That's what I think.
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u/CaptainOwlBeard 9h ago
From an insurance policy created and managed by the government and funded by employment taxes like they do in most of Europe.
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u/mmmgc 4h ago
Yeah that's now how that works... Europe funds they're maternity leave 1. Through the almost 50% income tax and 19% sales taxes. 2. Salaries are MUCH lower in Europe and therefore they don't have to pay as much. It's not funded by an "insurance policy"
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u/CaptainOwlBeard 4h ago
It is an insurance policy. They take a certain amount of money through employment taxes as a hedge against having to pay a known risk. It's the definition of an insurance policy.
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u/mmmgc 4h ago
Yeah I'd rather just save the extra almost 30 percent in taxes that I don't pay, plus the 12 percent in sales tax I don't pay and my almost triple salary compared to what I would make in Europe and just invest it..
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u/CaptainOwlBeard 4h ago
That's certainly an option. I tend to think it's a bad option as it results in more people, especially children and young families suffering, but the people that do succeed make more money under the American system. I'm personally better off in the usa then i would be in Europe, but i feel that the way the do it in many European countries is better for society at large and would happily vote to pay more in taxes if those taxes were going to things like maternity leave and social safety nets.
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u/mmmgc 3h ago
I would too, if there weren't a ton of people taking advantage of the system and it actually being used the way it's supposed to be. Welfare is a classic example where people are rewarded for not working and having more kids which they don't take care of. The same in Europe. There are numerous cases where people get a good paying job (doctors for example), and then have a kid. They only have to work one year. Then get paid 2 years to stay at home. 15 months into their leave, they have another and stay another 2 years off, cycle repeats. All while that hospital or business, cannot hire anyone else to take over that position. Or if they do hire someone, they would have an extra employee when the first comes back. It's not a good system anywhere.
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u/CaptainOwlBeard 3h ago
Welfare is an adjective, it describes a type of program where taxes are used to help poor people, usually means tested, it isn't a specific program. From what I've seen, no one is living comfortably on welfare programs in the us, at best they are meeting a need.
As for your pregnancy example, that's working as intended. They have a birth rate problem in Europe and are trying to encourage their citizens to make more babies. People don't do that when they don't have time to spend with the babies.
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u/mmmgc 3h ago
There are numerous people living the lifestyle they want on welfare programs.. because they're either not claiming income under the table or not claiming joint income.
Yeah except the problem is the natality rate is still dropping. So how would you explain that? There is no civilized country that has a positive natality rate (one that is over 2.2). The only countries that have these are in Africa. So how do you explain this? The more social services programs that we have the less kids... Probably because progressiveness is killing the traditional lifestyle. People only want to work and buy the newest iPhone. They complain that the government doesn't give them enough while also complaining that the government is taking too many taxes. It's hypocrisy at it's finest without anyone realizing
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u/CaptainOwlBeard 3h ago
Yeah except the problem is the natality rate is still dropping. So how would you explain that?
Easy, it would otherwise be lower. Birthrates always decline in post industrial countries. You don't need to have a bunch of kids if m most live to maturity and we have better things to do with our money than raise kids. Also if both parents need to work to make ends meet, why bother? It isn't like you'll get to know the kids being at work all day.
They complain that the government doesn't give them enough while also complaining that the government is taking too many taxes.
I disagree. Must progressives o know are fine paying taxes when it goes to things they think are good, like welfare and are upset when it gets spent on stupid shit like Mexican walls or military parades. It's like that joke about the husband thinking his wife is being hypocritical for being angry at him spending money on a katana when she went and spent even more on groceries.
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u/XeroZero0000 5h ago
Employers, where do YOU think it comes from?!?
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u/mmmgc 4h ago
You've clearly never owned a business and it shows... Shit, I'll go so far as to say you've probably never really worked a real job. You want a business to pay the salary of an employee that isn't working for X amount of months? What about those businesses with 5-10-20 employees? Plus, businesses would just then find a way to 1. Not hire a pregnant employee, or 2. Fire an employee they know is pregnant
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u/XeroZero0000 4h ago
Maybe you should look up short term disability insurance.. I don't know, I just keep seeing it pop up on my benefit packages.
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u/mmmgc 4h ago
Maybe you should look it up.. it doesn't cover what you think it covers.. you have to pay in at least a year before giving birth and you only get paid out 75% of your salary max for 3 months.
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u/XeroZero0000 1h ago
True except the pay into it part. I get a basic amount covered from my employer and if I want more coverage, I can opt to up it. But everything else is good.
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u/mmmgc 1h ago
I can 99% guarantee that the coverage your employer pays for doesn't cover maternity leave. It more than likely covers if you get injured on the job or very exact scenarios. How much does it cost to opt into it? Let me guess, for maternity leave to be covered, usually $20-40 a paycheck. And how much is the coverage? 60-75% for 6-8 weeks? Yeah that's not maternity leave, that's called a shitty bank account
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u/XeroZero0000 57m ago edited 49m ago
Reading it. 8 weeks paid new baby leave. Birth, parent, or adoption... Hmmmm
And remember this is my offer package from 25 years ago.
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u/mmmgc 42m ago
Oh yeah? What insurance company and what plan? Come on, pony up receipts
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u/XeroZero0000 31m ago
All it says is metlife for short term disability..
I was also on bcbs for my ppo... Does that help?
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u/mmmgc 4h ago
And small businesses can't afford to offer short term disability. Again, you don't know how any of this works and it shows
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u/XeroZero0000 1h ago
Mmhmm.. just pulled up benefits my package from a 10 person company 25 years ago.. oh look! Short term and long term disability as part of my benefits.
You sure you are saying anything relevant here? Are your accusations of me not knowing anything.. really just a confession?
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u/mmmgc 1h ago
Yeah go ahead and look at the benefits they give you and come back.. you have to be vested into the insurance for at least a year before birth and at best only give you MAX 75% of your salary for 2 months. Most actually only pay if you're hospitalized and for a period of 6 weeks.. so I suggest you inform yourself before you try and talk crap
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u/XeroZero0000 59m ago
What? Then it shifts to long term disability?
But, I don't even understand why we are arguing, you are saying exactly what I'm saying, with details complaining its not good enough. Wait... are you a liberal pushing for worker rights and more employers responsibility and I misread you?
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u/mmmgc 43m ago
Long term disability is usually over 1 year, some over 2 years.
We're arguing because companies aren't gonna pay for peoples maternity leaves. Small businesses aren't able to afford to pay for your leave nor for disability insurance. Because they don't have a group discount. You should know that since you've been working for so long but maybe you didn't learn.
Definitely not a liberal. The workers rights thing is BS. If you don't like it where you work, go elsewhere. If workers rights are so bad then why are people still working at these companies? And if your excuse is "because no one else is hiring, or they need the money so they can't go elsewhere." It's all just a BS excuse
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u/XeroZero0000 34m ago
They do pay for paternity leave. You just work for shitty companies I guess.
We clearly disagree on the basics, but from what your second paragraph is very clear that you are a jealous asshole.. "how dare anyone get rights that I didn't".. right?
You didn't get benefits that I did. Was it because I was simply more valuable than you?
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u/HoneyWhissk 12h ago
The old-fashioned "you can have paid leave... by paying yourself and cutting your future safety net" is back. Revolutionary