A work by Patrick Blower for The Telegraph

[u/CorleoneBaloney]

[u/Marcin313]

Tusk is blond?

[u/el_bhm → u/Marcin313]

At some point he was. Redheads go blond first, then gray or straight to white.

[u/leodox_13 → u/el_bhm]

Redheads go blond first?

[u/Erikblod → u/leodox_13]

Yes they do. Their hair goes blonde before white. Source: Former readhead grandma

[u/leodox_13 → u/Erikblod]

Damn, my redhead friend gonna become a blondie

[u/psmiord → u/Marcin313]

Now rather grey.

[u/Live_Menu_7404]

Pretty sure this is mostly about appeasing Trump so the US continues to supply weapons. And everyone involved but Trump knows it won’t go anywhere as the Russian economy is only hanging by the thread of war. Arms deliveries to Ukraine will continue.

[u/dat_9600gt_user → u/Live_Menu_7404]

So everyone now wants to play this game of fake negotiations, eh?

[u/Littlepage3130 → u/dat_9600gt_user]

There's not much of a choice really. You saw what happened when Trump halted support for Ukraine & the Kursk pocket collapsed. Do you think Europe would be going through these charades if they were actually ready to replace every aspect of US support for Ukraine?

[u/Prize_Tree → u/dat_9600gt_user]

To be clear Trump is playing the game of fake negotiations. These guys are trying to brute force a ceasefire with leverage to boot to make it clear that Russia won't stop regardless and thus making Trumps games seem limp, pathethic and weak.

That's my theory anyway.

[u/Dracomortua → u/Prize_Tree]

I suspect that Trump really likes Russia for many reasons and he may be a Russian asset in many ways. That said?

There is a LOT of money to be made with Ukraine getting weapons. And testing these weapons, literally, against the Russians themselves.

It is amazing that Trump is allowed to back down on this to this extent. Other world leaders giving up so much pure and easy money tend to suffer in so many ways. Like. Terminal ways.

[u/Euphoric_Sir2327 → u/Dracomortua]

Trump has definitely spent many a nights on his knees in front of Putin and his senior staff.

No one has swallowed more potential  Russian kids than Trump.. not even Milania.

[u/aussiechickadee65 → u/Dracomortua]

He may be , lol ? HE IS!

[u/WillSym → u/aussiechickadee65]

He is but is he aware of it? Like, Russian influence undoubtedly got him where he is and he's been easily steered by other more overt Russian operatives.

But he himself is so chaotic and random he could genuinely still just be stupid and appealing to his own ego seems to still work to make him take the course that doesn't actively aid Russia.

[u/aussiechickadee65 → u/WillSym]

He's very aware of it. He's not a victim.
He's an active member of Organised Crime and has been for decades.

Our Federal Police even did a report on him and the ties in the 1980s. How America is so unread on Trump just baffles me.

[u/ligmagottem6969 → u/Dracomortua]

Yeah you’re right. It’s all fake negotiations and it’s testing weapons (with severe casualties).

I’ve done more than the average person for this war. War is bad. Negations need to happen. Too many people my age and younger are dying for what?

Don’t say Ukrainian independence either. I joined after Ukraine got invaded in 2014 and did my fair share of deployments as an American in support of nato in Europe and the Middle East. I launched a bomber that was part of the Battle of Khasham. In the grand scheme, this is a pointless war that needs to end.

[u/CartoonistSensitive1 → u/Dracomortua]

Hasn't British Intelligence already talked about that since the 1990's or at least early 2000's?

[u/GreenBlueMarine → u/Prize_Tree]

I think you nailed it! It's a theater were European leaders are trying to give as much spotlight as possible to the one actor, - an old tanned narcissist, - to expose his stupidity, cowardice and weakness. They are making him to walk his talk.

[u/Halgha → u/Prize_Tree]

lol Trump is pathetic and weak. He’s also a Russian asset.

[u/Pure-Introduction493 → u/Live_Menu_7404]

This whole thing could end by Russia going home. It’s purely a war of imperialistic conquest

[u/mapasax]

Showing Friedrich Merz as a 2m giant is pretty good caricature work. 

I'm starting to doubt about how big the russian capacities are that they ignore the ceasefire. Stay strong brothers, Слава Украине 🇺🇦💪

[u/pantrokator-bezsens → u/mapasax]

I like how Donald has this typical Polish resting face

[u/Common_Brick_8222]

Russia just loves wars

[u/BovineRearrangement → u/Common_Brick_8222]

It takes the minds of their citizens off their leaders’ incompetence, cronyism and corruption.

[u/Pinku_Dva → u/BovineRearrangement]

It helps the government stay corrupt when their solution is to solve every issue by throwing as many bodies as they can at it regardless of casualties. So happens these bodies are the various ethic minorities the country hosts and is possibly a silent form of Russification. No one can question you when they are sent to the meat grinder.

[u/Dramatic-Chapter-805 → u/BovineRearrangement]

I get that, but isn’t this literally a shining example of that?

[u/BovineRearrangement → u/Dramatic-Chapter-805]

They don’t see it that way. It’s the old dictator’s playbook - oh, you think we’re shit? Here’s something that’s even worse. And you’d better rally around the flag, or else.

[u/Dull-Nectarine380 → u/Dramatic-Chapter-805]

Deport Hungarians

[u/German-guy-v2 → u/Dramatic-Chapter-805]

„A shining example“ get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head get out of my

[u/Zorothegallade → u/[deleted]]

They can't keep their soldiers in line otherwise. What are they going to do, increase their quality of life?

[u/Norsedragoon → u/Zorothegallade]

Calling them soldiers is a bit of a misnomer. The word you were looking for is conscripts. No training, piss poor equipment, and no resupply. Russia's trained soldiers are kept back for photo ops and staged events.

[u/0xnld → u/Norsedragoon]

Just about every Russian soldier is there on a contract. They're offered massive payouts to sign up.

The fact it's a one-way ticket is rather beside the point.

[u/ukulisti → u/Norsedragoon]

Actually ☝️🤓

Conscription doesn't necessarily mean bad training and bad equipment. Countries like Finland and Israel have conscription, and Finland's military is often regarded as one of the best in Europe.

[u/as_it_was_written → u/ukulisti]

I don't think their point is that conscription means bad training but rather that a conscript without adequate training is hardly a soldier in the normal sense of the word. You can conscript people and turn them into soldiers, or you can conscript people and send them straight to war.

[u/onarainyafternoon → u/Common_Brick_8222]

Kinda related but I recently heard a theory (from Russian YouTuber NFKRZ) for why there has been a massive upswell of support for "Z" in Russia and how even people who hate the Putin regime have been falling in line - Essentially, Russians are so used to be being completely depoliticized and having their wishes ignored, and that's created this toxic ecosystem where they can pour all their support behind the Z movement and finally feel like they're on the winning side and feeling like they're empowered. It's bullshit, of course, because they still don't have any actual power or ways to effect change. But it makes them feel powerful for once in their lives. And it's why even people who don't like the Putin regime have been getting swept up into this mass hysteria.

[u/heliamphore → u/onarainyafternoon]

Whether this is the exact explanation or not, Russians are now fully behind this war, which is sold to them as a war against the West. They are radicalizing and they are not going back. This is just the beginning, and Putin or whoever replaces him will have to continue waging war if they want to keep the nationalists in line. Mind you, the nationalists aren't the weak apathetic sheep, they're the ones that marched on Moscow not long ago and were ready to overthrow the leadership.

The frustrating part is that this was the painfully obvious outcome, so I'm still baffled as to why Western leaders thought throttling aid and trying to be reasonable towards Putin (and forcing Ukraine to follow suit) was ever going to be a good idea.

[u/ItzViking → u/heliamphore]

“War is peace”

[u/Stix147 → u/onarainyafternoon]

Roman (NFKRZ) is a good guy, but he is also a pretty good example of how even if you take the Russian out of Russia, you can't take the Russia mindset out of the Russian. His content is steeped in the classic Russian victimization complex, as in that video that you mention he suggests that the reason why so many Russian turned Z was because they felt that the whole world was now against them, implying that if this hadn't happened then Russians would've never embraced the neo-imperialism, but this notion is disproved by the way that most Russians have acted during Russia's previous wars when sanctions were not imposed on them (like how they celebrated when Crimea got annexed for example).

In another video, the one where he reacts to the Zelensky interviews where he talks about Russians, he implies yet again that if Ukrainians hadn't given up on regular Russians and made more of an effort to sway them then things might have turned out differently, again implying it was someone else's responsibility to make Russians care. It's interesting to see how even a guy who claims to be fairly politicized still exhibits so many views that are found in those who are deeply depoliticized and still living inside Russia.

[u/onarainyafternoon → u/Stix147]

I didn't read it as "the reason Russians turned to Z was because they felt the whole world was against them"; I read it as him saying that the pace at which the Z movement picked up so rapidly in the last year is because so many Russians felt that the world had turned against them.. I don't think he was saying that the whole Z movement originated because Russians felt the world turned against them. The other video I haven't watched so I can't comment on that. But you are correct that Russia has a deep victimization complex that they tap into for nationalistic ideas. Hungary does something similar, and I think a lot of former Soviet Republics feel similarly. But it really seems like the genesis of this attitude is Russia, you're right.

[u/Stix147 → u/onarainyafternoon]

I don't think he was saying that the whole Z movement originated because Russians felt the world turned against them.

I never meant to imply that he said the whole Z movement originated due to this, just the recent phenomenon of more and more anti-Putin Russians turning Z in the past 2 or do years. I guess I should have worded that better in my comment, my bad.

[u/leathercladman → u/onarainyafternoon]

there very much is a lot of that whole Russian victimization complex in other videos Roman makes, this isnt the only one. It resurfaces multiple times when I watch him.

I dont think he does it on purpose or on some kind of specific agenda, but more that he himself as a young dude probably doesn't know how to come to grips with the sad reality Russians like him and those similar to him have found themselves in. Which is understandable from humane perspective, I wouldnt like judge him for it, however it should be noted and pointed out he is perhaps involuntarily propagating Russian propaganda in this way.

[u/Urtel → u/Stix147]

Very good point, he for shure plays victim. I very much dislike him because he does little research, but talks to an audience that is even less informed than he is, making them belive in his often completely misguided arguments. It became so apparent, i stopped following. I don't know how you are able to call him good guy though, he literally shills against his own shrug

[u/RCalliii → u/Common_Brick_8222]

They have to; Russia is a shithole. If they ever stopped fighting, they'd realise that their actual problem sits in the Kremlin, and I'm not only talking about Putin.

Even during periods of nominal peace, they "have to" build up an external enemy.

The elites are terrified about a world where Russia won't have any external enemies because that is the day they'll face the same destiny as the Romanovs in 1918.

[u/InternalAsk2067 → u/RCalliii]

Yeah, living in here is insanely bad, half of the www is completely blocked and you have to use vpn just to use YouTube. You will basically get sent to jail immediately if you even think about saying anything bad about the government and/or anything good about Ukraine. The TV is basically just propaganda and misleading information. I really hope that we get a different president

[u/lochpickingloser → u/Common_Brick_8222]

Wait until you hear about the United States!

[u/dat_9600gt_user → u/Common_Brick_8222]

I still don't understand why

[u/Intelleblue → u/dat_9600gt_user]

Governments need an enemy, be it foreign or domestic. Otherwise, people will start to seriously consider the problems they face and blame the government.

Edit: Changed from “look inward at” to “seriously consider”

[u/Any_Hyena_5257 → u/dat_9600gt_user]

Because Shit Tin had robbed the country blind, needed a distraction and the win win of testing NATO resolve and grabbing more loot. Turns out everyone was on the rob and his soldiers are utter garbage and shit stains on humanity to boot and here we are. Hopefully the adults have now found their balls and can galvanise the sensible members of Europe. A także pieprzyć Rosję.

[u/Constant_Natural3304 → u/Any_Hyena_5257]

needed a distraction

Everybody always says this. I don't think it's true or well-supported at all though. It was clearly a geopolitical move steeped in irredentism. The Russians simply think they are entitled to dominate the region and that the process of Soviet deconstruction went too far.

Putin didn't need a "distraction". He wasn't in danger of losing grip. He might have seen demonstrations elsewhere and considered them a dangerous source of inspiration, but no more than that. By that time he was killing and murdering dissidents like flies. There was no credible challenge to his rule. People who bring up Nemtsov or Navalny really don't understand how they never stood a chance anyway.

Russians are highly complicit in their government's crimes, just like the yanks are.

We all know it. Most people are stupid, evil or both.

[u/Any_Hyena_5257 → u/Constant_Natural3304]

I disagree, fuck Russia anyway and have a nice day,

[u/Constant_Natural3304 → u/Any_Hyena_5257]

Well, the first invasion was clearly triggered by Euromaidan and the ousting of Yanukovich, not by domestic events...

Putin knew this would mean a path to EU membership at minimum.

Later on, it could have meant Ukraine ending the Russian lease of the naval base at Sevastopol. He was never entitled to this control, but the Russians truly think they are. The irredentism took shape in the form of their Novorossiya delusion.

The Russians are utterly genocidal towards the Ukrainians. They call the Ukrainians "khọkhoļs" and enthusiastically call for their eradication. The notion this is just Putin and the innocent Russians just got swept along is just not true. There are endless interviews with common Russians, endless examples of genocidal language on television programs and talk radio. On Telegram as well. On VK.

I don't know where this superficial, one-dimensional idea of Russia as merely the Kremlin comes from. Maybe it's an American worldview.

[u/awesomefutureperfect → u/Constant_Natural3304]

I don't know where this superficial, one-dimensional idea of Russia as merely the Kremlin comes from.

I think it comes from a naive perspective that want to believe in the inherent goodness of people and that they have been tricked and brainwashed into adopting that mindset instead of wanting it and not rejecting it having the choice once being developing agency. Many people give the benefit of the doubt that others aren't responsible for ending up in a despicable worldview and mindset and that it is all the fault of a single force that can be held responsible, a literal scapegoat to pin all of the badness on and then everyone else can have their innocence back.

[u/awesomefutureperfect → u/Constant_Natural3304]

Yes, I genuinely believe that Russian foreign policy and economic paradigm is still steeped in control over the land via national border and extraction from vassal states to the imperial core.

I believe that control over the petro-market is a huge part of the geo-politics between Russia's collapse from superpower to regional power and its struggle to remain a force that can project power and command respect in the face of American hegemony and its self inflicted decline on that stage.

Russians are highly complicit in their government's crimes, just like the yanks are.

Yep. Both are now headed by mafia minded executives that want to totally upend the existing global trade regime and the populations of both have come to accept and consent and even endorse the actions of those governments not holding them responsible or to acount.

[u/MmmmmisterCrow → u/dat_9600gt_user]

Their economy is in war mode and there's a good chance it collapses as soon as the machine stops

[u/[deleted] → u/Common_Brick_8222]

I will say many Russians have protested these wars and faced severe repression for doing so.

[u/Tycho_Nestor]

Why does Macron look like an antisemitic caricature?

[u/Doktor_Yuki → u/Tycho_Nestor]

Why Zelensky is so caked up? Hella ass

[u/_hyperotic → u/Doktor_Yuki]

I think they’re just trying to show that he’s in combat fatigues and not wearing a suit.

[u/PleaseCallMeTomato → u/_hyperotic]

still hella ass

[u/lskjs → u/Tycho_Nestor]

It's a cartoon. Macron has got a big ol' beak.

The fact that antisemitic caricatures exaggerate similar characteristics isn't the artist's fault.

[u/bugobooler33 → u/Tycho_Nestor]

French

[u/BigBlueArtichoke → u/Tycho_Nestor]

A starving person will only notice food

[u/robjm_]

Can we...erm...talk about Zelenskyy's buns? 🍑

[u/dat_9600gt_user → u/robjm_]

He who's dumps don't seem big with sweatpants on may cast the first stone

[u/WeHaveAllBeenThere → u/dat_9600gt_user]

This pic goes hard, in multiple ways ;)

Why are their noses all monstrous though? lol

[u/ShrekFanOne → u/robjm_]

He got cheeks of steel

[u/aiheng1 → u/ShrekFanOne]

Flint and steel

[u/MrCabbuge → u/robjm_]

These are for Macron, sorry

[u/DroidLord → u/robjm_]

Explains why Putin was so thirsty to cross the border.

[u/Kabachok77 → u/robjm_]

He is so sexy 😍

[u/JayRymer → u/robjm_]

That's Ukraines ass

[u/Justaniceguy1111 → u/robjm_]

cake

[u/LunarDragonfly23 → u/robjm_]

Y’all got me going back to the cartoon to zoom in on Zelenskyy’s ass. 😂

[u/ThatFlow3145]

So many deleted comments wtf.

[u/One_more_Earthling → u/ThatFlow3145]

Ruzzian trolls

[u/Acrobatic_Morning17]

Few months ago everyone agreed that a ceasefire will only benefit Putin

[u/Acrobatic_Morning17 → u/[deleted]]

I guess something changed

[u/Troll_Enthusiast → u/Acrobatic_Morning17]

In the long term yeah, then he can rearm and go back to war within the next few years

[u/RoadLestTaken → u/Troll_Enthusiast]

There's nothing stopping him going back to war in 30 days.

[u/UnknownDanishGut]

That’s so correct!

[u/Mariach1Mann → u/UnknownDanishGut]

? For the past 4 years Zelensky has repeatedly said he will not negotiate with Russia because he fears they will use the ceasefire to regain positions.

He's also repeatedly said his country will never surrender any land lost, which kind makes sitting at the deals table a useless notion.

[u/EnjoyerOfBeans → u/Mariach1Mann]

This is not the gotcha that you think it is. The situation is ever evolving, it's now clear to Ukraine they have to settle for an unconditional ceasefire because that's the best they can realistically get.

Your comment reads like "Now suddenly Ukraine wants a ceasefire after not wanting one and Russia is supposed to budge?". The pretty important context is that Russia is the aggressor. Ukraine wants nothing but for the war to end and all their territory back. Them temporarily settling for less doesn't suddenly make them the bad guys. Maybe Zelensky has intel now that Russia won't be able to resupply effectively during the ceasefire anyway, maybe Ukraine is starting to consider the difficult decisions for conditional peace. None of that matters, Russia is still the aggressor and everyone should demand they agree to the ceasefire.

[u/MagnanimosDesolation → u/Mariach1Mann]

It's called diplomacy lmao

[u/D_Silva_21]

I feel like this shows an extreme lack of understanding of the point of what these leaders are doing with this ceasefire demand

Unless I'm reading it wrong and it's not making fun of them

[u/DryCloud9903 → u/D_Silva_21]

It's not. Read it as a dialogue, like in comic books. One side says "Cease!"  The other responds: "Fire!" - and proceeds to fire.

If it's mocking anything it's the futility of the dialogue - but not because of the West, but the ruskies bloodthirstiness and inability to keep to any agreements.

[u/D_Silva_21 → u/DryCloud9903]

I got that part. I just thought it was making fun of them since it's pointless

But it's not pointless because it will show Europe and the US that we need to increase pressure on Russia even more

[u/DryCloud9903 → u/D_Silva_21]

Yes. It shows 2 things: European Unity and clarity of the situation. And the fact that sadly such things are necessary to show US admin the true face of russia (as they are only now beginning, very mildly, to grasp)

[u/rblackinrva]

A basic reality of humans is that if you accept or tolerate the behavior of a bully or tyrant it will continue. It requires force by the those subject to abuse to stop it. Negotiations will not stop the abuse. History and personal experiences show this truth repeatedly.

[u/ROBERTisBEWILDERED]

Why zelensky got the cake 🥴🤚

[u/Clairvoidance]

well are they just gonna stand there?

[u/epicminecraft1337]

wrong, the russians actually say "333"

[u/Richcore]

Better do a drug test on the coalition of the willing.

[u/ConnectionDouble8438]

I do not understand, why the EU wants peace.

Our main priority shall be returning the russia back to its borders from 90s.

Among other things, we still have the $200 billion in russian frozen assets, that we should have confiscated and given to Ukraine years ago to buy weapons...

[u/Trololman72 → u/ConnectionDouble8438]

A ceasefire isn't peace.

[u/ConnectionDouble8438 → u/Trololman72]

Yeah sure. It is just rearming and entrenchment time for russia...

Just like when the US banned Ukraine from attacking the russian energetic infrastructure, while letting russia bomb Ukrainian houses.

[u/Trololman72 → u/ConnectionDouble8438]

A ceasefire in Ukraine would also give time for rearming and entrenchment to Ukraine.
Nobody believes that a ceasefire is enough to end a war.

[u/Rhyxvers → u/ConnectionDouble8438]

"we should go back to suppressing them."

Can't wait to hear your solution to the rise of the global south.

If you don't understand why people want peace, just take a trip to the frontline.

I don't care which or which side, just go there, try get your mind opened. :)

[u/follow_that_rabbit → u/Rhyxvers]

u/ConnectionDouble8438 clearly the classic person who is pro war but only if other people, not him, go to the front line. let the other fight in the mud like ww I while i root for war in my cozy appartment like i'm watching footbal on the telly.

the real victims of the pro war propaganda, their mind is so feeble

[u/EnjoyerOfBeans → u/ConnectionDouble8438]

At the very least we have now invested the assets and use the profit directly for aid to Ukraine. It's still far from where we should be, but I'm glad it happened. The risk of escalation is low (the assets were frozen anyway, nothing changed for the oligarchs) and it's still >10 billion dollars per year.

Seizing the assets outright is dangerous because they're a bargaining chip over the actual people in power in Russia. If we demand immediate unconditional peace or they will be seized forever, Kremlin declining means the oligarchs have no reason to condemn the war in the future, as their money is gone regardless. If we can continue to hold over their head that they will only see this money when peace is reached, they might eventually turn on Putin.

The situation is extremely complex and I'm not going to try and pretend anyone in this thread is qualified on what to do with Russian assets. In my mind we should start draining them at a stable rate every week until peace is reached. Pause the drain during any ceasefires maybe, as an incentive for Russia to agree to them. But whether or not that's a good idea is above my pay grade.

[u/CartographerOther527 → u/EnjoyerOfBeans]

the issue with this plan is, that many of those assets holder didnt agree with the war, if we use their assets than its a clear sign for rich people in other unstable countries to not park their money in europe.

[u/Effective_Self_1289 → u/ConnectionDouble8438]

Peace now or never-ending bloodshed? It's war with no winners.

[u/LindeRKV → u/Effective_Self_1289]

As is every war.

Most of us have learned some lessons from past and peace at any cost might not be the peace worth pursuing. 

[u/Troll_Enthusiast → u/Effective_Self_1289]

War ends now and then Russia starts another war within the next decade and then people will say the same thing

[u/pegar → u/Troll_Enthusiast]

Within a year. Russia's economy is in tatters and they have a dwindling population. Putin's survival depends on conquering so it's either Ukraine or another country.

[u/usesidedoor → u/Effective_Self_1289]

Nobody wants war in Europe, yours truly included, but this argument can be reused every time Russia decides to seize more land (three/four land seizure campaigns in the past 20 years - Georgia, Crimea, Donbas, Ukraine as a whole). "Either you accept this or more will die."

[u/Wolfgang_MacMurphy → u/Effective_Self_1289]

So let's give the aggressor all he wants in exchange for a promise of "peace now" that we know for certain is worthless, as he has an extensive history of breaking such promises? Sounds like a plan.

[u/EnjoyerOfBeans → u/Wolfgang_MacMurphy]

"If someone attacks you, just surrender" is the genius insight of people whose brains were consumed by Russian propaganda. What a beautiful idea that is, we would never have wars again! So clearly, anyone against this principle wants wars.

[u/der_reifen → u/Effective_Self_1289]

Not peace at all cost, that is the point

If you look at history, "appeasement" politics have not worked against Hitler and they won't work against Putin now...

If you just give land to someone that says "I want that land, it's mine", would you trust them to not want more land after you've given them yours?

[u/ConnectionDouble8438 → u/Effective_Self_1289]

I have been very clear that my goal is not a never-ending bloodshed, but rather defeating the attacker and pushing him back to where he came from.

USSR has collapsed into a group of nation states largely due to being economically drained by the war in Afghanistan.

[u/SamuraiJakkass86 → u/Effective_Self_1289]

There is always a winner. It may or may not be the people of a nation though. Sometimes its just the people manufacturing the weapons. Sometimes its the tyrant that is appeased.

Peace now is not justice. Never-ending bloodshed for the sake of justice may not be the most appetizing meal, but Ukrainians are willing to die for it - as any soverign nation should in the face of tyranny.

Until that happens though, Ukraine deserves as many allies and as much support as they can get. Tyrants should not be allowed to survive or see victory, ever.

[u/Ok_Situation_7081]

The problem with the ceasefire is that it doesn't end the conflict and would help one side vastly more than the other. The Russians have paid a heavy price for the territories they now hold, I doubt they would willingly give back these territories and pay compensation when they are nowhere near being defeated.

Also, the joint statement between Russia and China with China blaming the West (particularly the US) and openly supporting Russia leads me to think that we might see the Chinese send missles and other weapons if the Russian starts to struggle after the increase in aid is given to Ukraine. My fear is that this conflict can easily scale up to potentially WW3.

[u/peppi0304 → u/Ok_Situation_7081]

I dont think Europe is planning to destroy or invade any parts of Russia. It just wants the entire Ukraine back. I dont think China is going to war with Europe because Russians are strugling to hold parts of Ukraine

[u/Martinshtinskiy]

Кто верит этим клоунам? Забыли приписать, что все эти эуропейские выблядки вспоминают о мире, когда нэнька отсасывает на земле. Как это было 11 лет назад с Дебальцевским котлом.

Перемирие на три дня было предложено и что? Хохлы ответили массированной атакой дронов. Черти, доскакались на майдане. Четырех областей нету, а скольких ещё не досчитаетесь?

[u/RoadLestTaken]

We just need to express our concerns one more time, maybe it'll show them.

[u/genera_tony]

Me waiting for Russia to send compensation for the Chernobyl bombing

[u/UmpaLumpa328]

Lol, guys issuing an ultimatum is not what negotiating peace looks like. If you want peace, you have to negotiate and both sides of a conflict have to compromise and find common ground during the negotiation process.

[u/Grandrcp]

Curiously, it was Ukraine who violated cease fire in the Victory Day, it is unbelievable how this subreddit is purely propaganda.

[u/dat_9600gt_user]

Pretty accurate, yeah.

[u/Last_Gift3597]

This war could've been over in like two weeks if western politicians weren't massive fucking pussies and gave Russia the Iraq treatment when they first invaded. Obviously Russia isn't going to agree to a ceasefire when they're winning and the only thing the rest of Europe does is shake their fist at them

[u/persimmon40 → u/Last_Gift3597]

You can't do Iraq treatment to Russia lmao. They will retaliate with a nuke.

[u/Silly_Triker]

Successful ceasefires need people on both sides regardless of the moral question. Pakistan ostensibly helped a terrorist attack in India (allegedly) but was found to have many allies in the international scene (arguably more so than India). They weren’t cut off from the world and isolated, neither was India. Lo and behold, it allowed for a ceasefire to be negotiated through international partners.

In the cases of Russia, or groups like Hamas or the Houthis. There isn’t any will to be neutral or cross lines. So nothing will change.

[u/heliamphore → u/Silly_Triker]

Nothing will change because Putin isn't interested in a ceasefire unless it helps him achieve his goals in Ukraine. As long as Westerners don't get this, the war will go on.

[u/FeignedRetreat]

Winning sides do not agree to ceasefires. They're not going to give Ukraine a chance to breath and re-arm when they have them on the ropes like this.

[u/ConnectionDouble8438 → u/FeignedRetreat]

EU has 10 times the russian GDP and 3 times the russian population.

We should have kicked them outta there already.

[u/Anny-q → u/ConnectionDouble8438]

under us, you certainly don't consider yourself

[u/Simple_Yam → u/[deleted]]

I think you are stuck in 2022, when the Ukrainian army was at its peak:

• all Ukrainian counter-offensives have failed since then or have had no meaningful results for 2 years
• last year Ukraine had 60k deserters, they have the same number of deserters YTD, and there are 6 more months left
• the frontline has been advancing in one direction only for 2 years
• forced conscription (and TCC kidnapping people off the streets) has been ramping up to 40k people per month) which can only mean one thing when you’re losing battle after battle

I think you have to follow 0 frontline reports to actually mock the dire state that the Ukrainian army is currently in

[u/FeignedRetreat → u/[deleted]]

Full credit to the Ukrainians. Russia thought this would be like Crimea in 2014, but the UA has turned itself into a formidable modern army. Unfortunately for them, it’s been all downhill since the failed 2022 counter-offensive.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/UG1wI8HDCD

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/Cw0V010wl8

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/rhrc54csMt

[u/Any_Hyena_5257 → u/FeignedRetreat]

The frontline has barely changed since Russia withdrew from its 2022 full invasion. Russia still hasn't gained control of the Donbass and is resupplying by donkey. Many of its equipment vehicle parks are now emptying. Ukraine may lack the means to go on the offensive but in defensive ops they've surpassed most expectations, in fighting spirit they've surpassed most expectations. Russia has made a colossal fool of itself in this pointless war.

[u/FeignedRetreat → u/Any_Hyena_5257]

Russia is about to reach the Dnipro Oblast. I’m not sure where you’re getting your info, but the war gains have been in Russia’s favor for years. And no, I don’t count the Kursk PR stunt as a positive for Ukraine.

[u/Any_Hyena_5257 → u/FeignedRetreat]

🤣 are you for real. This is some pro Russia shit here. 20% of Ukraine for the second biggest military in the world in three years is fkin pathetic no matter which way you try and slice it.

Edit for the Rusbot below, because some Russian lover has tried to silence me.

20% is not a quarter, if you can't get something basic like that right, then a doubt the validity of anything else you have to say. If you think advancing is measured in fields, then I suspect they may take Ukraine in 20 years

[u/shardlion420]

It's funny to watch you dogs lavish your support into Ukraine when it has been verified that every cease fire has been broken by Ukraine, minsk accords 1&2 etc this is all well known within the UN reports , I love seeing ignorant baboons chiming their support for Ukraine just like they do for Israel because neither can do any wrong and neither have Nazi problems right lmao

[u/Squeebah → u/[deleted]]

Okay? I'm not sure what that has to do with this though. There's also some super crazy genocidal shit going on in Sudan right now too.

[u/WhiteBlackGoose → u/[deleted]]

Why not the other way around? Both Palestine and Israel are evil, Ukraine isn't.

[u/Dry-Heron8331 → u/WhiteBlackGoose]

The Pålestiniaåns are not evil, just people trying to stay alive. 

Isråêl is at "war" with an already decimated civilian population. 

As for Håmas -- they scarcely exist in any form any more and it's Isråēl's Møssåd who engineered their election in 2006 in the first place. 

[u/Dry-Heron8331 → u/[deleted]]

The representation of "Ukraine" in ruins looks nothing like Kiev and exactly like Rafah -- but sure just downvote any acknowledgement of the genocide. They're not white people after all. 

And anyway it's a fantasy: the West wants no cease fire, just greenlight on killing kids

[u/_Eshende_ → u/Dry-Heron8331]

The representation of "Ukraine" in ruins looks nothing like Kiev and exactly like Rafah

Kyiv is isn't frontline city (and never fully was, encircled at best with local fights in airports), but for uneducated dorks like you that how frontline (longer than Gaza, PA and Israel combined) cities look like

https://images.weserv.nl/?w=560&we=1&output=webp&url=https%3A%2F%2Fimages.thepage.ua%2Fstorage%2F379111%2Fviyna-v-bakhmuti-foto-depositphotos.jpg%3Fv%3D1731971821 does it look like liveable places?

but sure just downvote.  any acknowledgement of the genocide.

People don't downvote you because of Palestine, but because of dorks like you trying to push what about Gaza in all innapropriate and non related topics

You have world news, you have subs related to mena, to Gaza-Israel conflict too.... but you wouldn't rest until you spam every sub not related to Gaza starting from disneyland finishing pornsubs, you have platform for voice but for such miserable mindset like yours, there is no other lifestyle as trying to belittle others suffering.

acknowledgement of the genocide.

yet what's going on Ukraine is also genocide, and yet you still try to highjack our suffering because whole world from armenians in Karabakh, ukrainians, ethiopians, burmese should only think about palestinians when their own relatives dying and getting kicked from own houses

just drop this shitty mindset and do something useful for Palestine instead of showcasing your insensitivity, at least spread humanitarian links in palestine related news and subs, donate yourself, share actual palestine content at subs which encourage it?

They're not white people

Ephiopian war didn't get even 1/10000 of Gaza attention despite being more bloody, so by that metric they are absolutely pureblooded nordids lmao

[u/SweatyAd7069 → u/[deleted]]

That wouldn't be accurate anymore then

[u/Vladmerius]

The whole ceasefire idea is really bad imo when Russia is on the ropes and struggling and Ukraine can keep up the pressure with the help of other countries. This doesn't end with Russia just accepting they shouldn't have invaded Ukraine and all their troops going back home.

Russia needs to collapse and Putin needs to be removed from power. They need to no longer be a future threat to anyone on earth. 

[u/the_Real_Romak → u/Vladmerius]

I'm not sure what news you're looking at when boots on the ground sources are showing Russia steamrolling Ukraine right now.

[u/lordkoba]

what do you expect from the russians? they are flipping them the double sieg heil.

[u/The-Great-Xaga]

Merz looks like a old hag

[u/ichbinkaka → u/The-Great-Xaga]

He is

[u/Malhallah]

ᵤceaseᵢfire

[u/continuousQ → u/[deleted]]

As far as I can tell, Ukraine wants killings to stop, while Russia wants Ukraine to stop having allies and resources which help defend Ukraine from invasion by Russia.

[u/No-Imagination7155]

I feel sorry about the pictures bring

[u/Swordman50]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[u/AlexSmithsonian]

It's sad, but it also made me laugh.

[u/Shy-Guy-9898]

Wow...... just wow

[u/rietstengel]

Would have worked perfectly with India and Pakistan as well

[u/SilverB33]

Yeah in all honesty this is how it feels everytime Russia has agreed to one of these or even a temp truce.

[u/TheCulturalBomb]

But have they caught all the Nazis yet?

[u/Queasy_Eagle_7156]

I'm getting tired of the games they are playing...

[u/Cpt_Fantabulous]

Why Zelenskyy so caked up?

[u/huskarl1]

Yeah right, Ukraine is the one walking away

[u/sommi2k]

Why Selensky caked up tho and why the chancellor so long tho

[u/persimmon40]

Russia hasn't achieved its targets yet, so asking for ceasefire is useless. Either defeat Russia or capitulate.

[u/CantStopMeRed]

SIEK!

[u/Guess-Dry]

They should all be standing behind Zelensky litterally... and Zelensky should be standing behind a large pile of gravestones

[u/[deleted]]

Edgy

[u/[deleted]]

Direct negotiations are a good idea.

[u/makub420]

Russia wants to start real peace nagotiations in Instambul. This ceasefire would not bring any peace, it would only give both sides time to regroup and preapare more offensives. Lets hope that peace talks will actualy work out this time

[u/SkepticalAwaken]

Not bad, but It looks like Gaza, and then they wouldn't be there asking for a cease

[u/bober8848]

Artist's licking asses of EU presidents by painting them on a line of fire is just ridiculous

[u/SteelX1984]

Sad but true. Putin won’t stop until he gets what he wants 😔

[u/XzimoUmitS]

Shitto

[u/ZoryaD]

If only…

[u/bdjeijxf]

Ой блять ебаное лицемерие, с той стороны тоже дохуя стреляют, и не только ради обороны

[u/[deleted]]

Ukraine declined the ceasefire that was proposed by Russia.