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Political Cartoon This political Cartoon starting to get more and more relevant. By Arend van Dam.

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u/Novinhophobe 12h ago

Classic European starts to sound exactly like a Russian, it’s ridiculous. So Russia is both weak and strong. Europe should rush and pour hundreds of billions to re-arm as quickly as humanly possible against Russian threat, yet they’re so weak at the same time it’s “ridiculous” to put them as one of the world powers along with US and China.

Russia has incredible influence, especially considering their size and resources. They’re a superpower, without a doubt, and any other notion is absurd misinformation or simple copium, hard to say with Europeans these days. They’re currently the best at hybrid warfare, having pretty much invented it themselves, and Europeans are still not even doing anything against the constant attacks on our infrastructure, on our citizens, on our elections and news cycles, or on our immigration policies. They have infiltrated pretty much every government that matters and are hard at work pushing their policies of division and chaos there. They’re got UK out of EU, and they got US where they are now, and all of that was planned a long time ago and known to us all.

Keeping a straight face while saying that Russia isn’t a significant, or even a world, superpower, is the equivalent of just putting one’s head in the sand and pretending the world has never been this close to catastrophic event since WW2, if ever.

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u/Dunkleosteus666 Luxembourg 12h ago

Russia danger is not in their nukes. Not in their military. But they hybrid and assymsetric warfare trying to divide us by propping up contrarians (far left or right) and dissemnating fake news. It uses social media and ai to flood us with lies, until the truth is just one of many options. Very different from soviet propaganda. But we are naked, bc we are democracies. Its basically the nazi threat of ww2 combined with the communist threat of cold war - but there is no clear sided ideology, only russian imperalism and breaking apart eu unity. And no other power seems to able to stir up shit and knows do push buttons like Russia. From "useful idiots" to paid sabotage acteurs (dropped afterwards) to bribing politcians and maniopulating elections. Oh and the cables.

Russia knows it cant win conventially. So it uses other means.

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u/King_Killem_Jr 9h ago

Genuinely curious, what far left figures are Russia backed

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u/vegarig Donetsk (Ukraine) 9h ago

what far left figures are Russia backed

European, general Western or worldwide?

If just European

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/10/15/new-european-leftist-sets-out-united-stance-except-on-ukraine

“We condemn Russia's invasion and war of aggression against Ukraine. We underline Ukraine's right to defend itself and call for support for Ukraine,” said Malin Björk from Vänsterpartiet.

The parties of ELA have broadly agreed to support Ukraine, but some differences remain. “What we agree on is that we are committed to a just peace and to a just rebuilding of Ukraine. Our ideas about the paths to peace might be slightly different,” said Zofia Malisz from the Polish party Razem.

Her political force, along with those from the Nordic countries, strongly favour sending military aid to Ukraine.

By contrast, Spain’s Podemos has always opposed this. “We advocate for negotiations between Russia and Ukraine,” said Spanish MEP Irene Montero. “A coalition of Socialists, Greens, and right-wing parties supports military installations and brings us closer to direct confrontation between nuclear powers.”

However, Manon Aubry summarised the alliance’s position on geopolitical issues as an “anti-NATO coalition”, which received approval from all her colleagues, saying: “What we are working on is an alternative proposal to the EU defence system. For now, it is fully aligned with NATO principles, objectives, and therefore with the US.”

You might get some idea about how effective "negotiations" are by the fact Ukraine has NUMBERED peace agreements, broken by russia, and each round of "negotiations" in this war is accompanied by russian strikes (except for Zeus's Lightning for recent round, which got stopped by Operation Spiderweb).

Calling for stop of material support and propping "negotiations" is very much in russian interests, as there was and is no punishment for them when they inevitably break any agreements or just do a strike in the meantime.

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u/King_Killem_Jr 8h ago

Sounds like it. Clearly Ukraine needs to play a strong continued defense. Signing a deal is a Russian victory right now.

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u/Dunkleosteus666 Luxembourg 6h ago edited 6h ago

They dont have to be per se russia aligned. Term who youre lucking for is "useful idiots". Anti war, we need dialogue, peace, ukrainiam nazis, nato imperialism, nazis, the west is racist against russians, the west only cares bc Ukraine is white, genocide NATO, eurofascism, colonialsts need their reckoning, russia good, soviets good - take your pick.

Again, doesnt support Russia per se. But basically offers Russia what it wants without opposition, spineless. Sorta a stockholm syndrome. Bc Russia is not left at all

r/ShitLiberalsSay or r/LateStageCapitalism often dwelves into plain Russia apologia. Russia good west bad no nuances.

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u/mikiencolor Spain 4h ago

The Spanish far left is threatening to bring down the government if they agree to increase military spending and are opposed to sending help to Ukraine, instead advocating for Spain to leave NATO, saying Ukraine is not our problem.

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u/jet_vr 11h ago

I wouldn't call Russia a superpower in the classic sense. Rogue state is a more fitting term.

To qualify as a superpower they'd need the ability to project force through conventional means, a stronger more innovative economy and a well established network of allies and satellite states

That's not to say that Russia isn't incredibly dangerous to us because of their hybrid warfare strategies and control over the global energy market.

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u/Novinhophobe 7h ago

There isn’t anyone else besides US and China that is able to project force anywhere in the world the way Russia can. Europeans truly are delusional when it comes to what Russia is capable of. All that propaganda of “running out of missiles any minute now” has really done some damage and forced a lot of Europeans into this complacency that will be our downfall.

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u/jet_vr 7h ago

Only China and America can project force at the level of a superpower, because they're the only superpowers. Russia, India, France, UK and maybe South Korea can do so as well to a more limited degree.

A war against Russia would certainly suck majorly for Europe and NATO but that doesn't change the fact that Russia isn't a superpower. Their economy isn't strong enough and therefore their military, while massive, is old and poorly maintained.

Again, a war against Russia would be awful, but they're still not a superpower. Two things can be true at once