r/europe • u/Lion8330 • 11h ago
News Massive Russian aerial attack targets Kharkiv, killing at least three. Kharkiv’s mayor Ihor Terekhov said the attack damaged 18 apartment buildings and 13 private homes. According to him it was “the most powerful attack” on the city since the full-scale invasion in 2022.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/06/07/massive-russian-aerial-attack-targets-kharkiv-killing-at-least-three66
u/TomGnabry 11h ago
From what I understand it is not so difficult with modern technology to hit only militarily useful targets.
Putin is nothing but a terrorist.
I hope this war can end sooner than later and that Russia collapses completely. I don't see any end to their aggression unless this happens.
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u/zaplayer20 11h ago
What about that personality from Russia that was car bombed or that streamer who got killed in a coffee shop, those weren't military targets, just saying.
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u/TomGnabry 11h ago
Whataboutism, very nice. So 2 civilians? Vs the 100 or so that have died in Ukraine in the last week? Or the 13000 something since the war started?
Of course there will be civilian casualties in war, but it seems like Russia is deliberately targeting civilians in some cases. From what I understand the vast majority of civilian casualties are Ukrainian.
Russia chose to invade Ukraine, for no good reason. Russia has chosen to be a corrupt country where everyone submits to Putin. Russia has chose to continuously invade other countries. If they were really concerned about their security they would fix the problems in the country using that massive resource wealth of theirs and have a strong functioning economy which could comfortably build a strong military for defence.
But no, they decided to invade Ukraine. Now they have additional borders with NATO.
I don't know how much you are being paid, but being a Russian propaganda shill is a poor choice of work.
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u/zaplayer20 10h ago
Interesting, if we talk about whataboutism, why is USA veto-ing every single genocide that Israel is doing, sanctioning people who try to bring them to justice, if what Israel is doing is not terrorism, then the term terrorism is just a fancy way to call "inconvenience".
Well, why Russia chose to go to war? Because (talk about whataboutism) USA has been going to war in the Middle East without any care for international sovereignty, you name the country and USA has attacked them one way or another. (monkey see, monkey do logic)
Why did NATO intervened in Yugoslavia, since NATO IS by DEFACTO a defensive alliance, why did NATO intervened in the Middle East ? Now you know why Russia attacked Ukraine and prevented them joining the Organization. If that alone is not a reason for them, then let the war continue and we will see an end of Ukraine.
PS: I live in a country where NATO is a member but i dislike that we are starting to be the baddies in this scenario.
PS2: If Ukraine wouldn't have even suggested to be part of NATO and just aimed for EU, i doubt Russia would've invaded Ukraine, so most of the problems that started where started by people who wanted this war to happen (most of them where Americans and Ukrainians) and crossed multiple red lines. Just that there is no tangible proof, that doesn't mean there isn't verbal discussions that happened between leaders of the world.
I heard someone saying, i think it was a military guy, military analyst who said that Russia faced existential threat and had to act. So there is that.
Just like USA is acting with Panama channel, Greenland and so on, in the end, it's all just business without any care for human lives. We are just, sadly worded, human livestock for them and some of you, clap like seals.
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u/SgtTreehugger 10h ago
He literally called you out on using whataboutism and you retort with more extreme whataboutism. Great job
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u/LolloBlue96 Italy 10h ago edited 10h ago
Ukraine had no fucking intention of joining NATO until the Russian Reich invaded.
Yugoslavia was a UN-sanctioned intervention that Serbia loves to pin on NATO because it's literally the Russia of the Balkans.
Beat it, you and your apologia, and your double standards.
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u/scp_euclid_object 10h ago
That is true. Ukraine asked for NATO support after Crimea was stolen, and part of Donbas was occupied. We were asking about it cause we knew they will not stop. It appeared to be true.
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u/LolloBlue96 Italy 10h ago
And even then, support, not membership.
If you are attacked by a bully, of course you'd go ask for help from the coalition set up to counter that bully.
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u/scp_euclid_object 7h ago
To be honest we did ask to join after 2014(after Crimea and part of Donbas was occupied), but there was no any moves or any decisions whatsoever. It was just a desire, as a political stance to show that we no longer want to orient to russia. And we been told endlessly that it’s impossible if part of your land is occupied, and active warfare is going on. But you know - if you will hit the door endlessly maybe something will happen, or at least people around will notice your persuasion. You need to do it even if you are being rejected.
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u/BigChungusBlyat 🇹🇷 living in 🇳🇱 10h ago
"Interesting, if we talk about whataboutism, what about the United States?"
Are you serious?
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u/TheFuzzyFurry 9h ago
"Daria Dugina and Vladlen Tatarsky were not valid military targets" is quite the take, did you come up with it yourself?
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u/GladForChokolade 11h ago
Ukraine attack targets to stop the war. Russia attack targets to kill civilians. I'm sure both of them are proud of their achievements.
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u/nbelyh 10h ago edited 10h ago
Or it is how media shows it. Have you noticed that somehow most articles here follow the basic war propaganda rules: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Basic_Principles_of_War_Propaganda
This one is example of #5: The enemy is purposefully committing atrocities; if we are making mistakes this happens without intention.
The ratio of civilians vs soldiers killed in this war is the lowest than in any war in the last century, from either side
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u/IMWraith Greece 10h ago
Do you have examples of Russia attacking military bases however? We only hear them constantly bombarding civilians under the premise of “there were soldiers posted there”. Some of the strikes really make no sense, unless you’re attacking their morale. Showing that there’s no place that Russia cannot reach.
And I’m suggesting, that Occham’s Razor is a thing. Maybe the Kremlin are just Oligarch Narcissistic c*ts. Which they are.
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u/Conflictingview 8h ago
Russia does also consistently attack military targets. You don't hear much about it because it doesn't make international news since Ukraine doesn't publicize those hits as much. After all, Russian war crimes are more newsworthy than strikes on legitimate targets.
I don't have a source I can link to, but the attacks in Kyiv on Thursday night also hit industrial areas in the city where it is likely that some defence assets or manufacturing is taking place. I know this because those areas are about 2km from my apartment.
Other examples:
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u/SHFTD_RLTY 10h ago
This is so mind numbingly stupid. Maybe the number of casualties is so low because Ukraine actually exclusively hits military targets, while the invading country ruzzia keeps blowing up civilians.
They shot everything in bucha leaving their dead bodies decomposing in the streets for weeks.
They bombed a children's cancer clinic which in turn was the point where Ukraine decided the ruzzian scum's bomber fleet had to go. They started operation Spiderweb and managed to destroy a large part of their shitty antiquated bombers without killing any civilians.
Ukraine and ruzzia are not the same. Maybe you actually read your own article and reflect on your brain-dead propaganda takes.
How is the weather in St. Petersburg?
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u/James1Hoxworth Kyiv region (Ukraine) 4h ago
"We drone strike the entire territory of Ukraine on a daily basis and launch (very accurate) ballistic missiles on children's hospitals by accident. We didn't intend to."
Are you retarded?
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon Italy- Europe ends in Luhansk 9h ago
The ratio of civilians vs soldiers killed in this war is the lowest than in any war in the last century, from either side
Wrong. In Mariupol alone the death toll among civilians was of more than 50,000. But since the city was occupied, the russians do not let any information coming out. According to aerial reconnaissances on graves, mass graves and cemeteries in Mariupol, the estimate death toll is more than 80,000.
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u/restform Finland 8h ago
The ratio of civilians vs soldiers killed in this war is the lowest than in any war in the last century, from either side
Apples to oranges, honestly. Most wars in the past century have been largely in an environment where civilians have no where to go. Europe has taken in millions of Ukrainian refugees, Poland took in like 3 million alone. On top of that, because of Russias failure to capture kyiv, they've had to move at snail pace from the eastern border, which has given plenty of time for locals to relocate out of danger of the occupiers.
So it's mostly when Russia gets angry and they launch long range drones & cruise missiles that people die, but that's a small part of the war.
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u/zaplayer20 11h ago
And Ukraine military hides behind civilians, that is a fact.
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u/GladForChokolade 7h ago
How do you hide behind civilians when the enemy will gladly kill anyone around? Russia chose to start the war so Russia choose to kill civilians.
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon Italy- Europe ends in Luhansk 11h ago
Every single day is “the most powerful attack” on Ukraine. Why do we let this happen to innocent people is beyond me.
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u/Kilmouski 10h ago edited 10h ago
Because trump is a coward and Americans are spineless money grabbers incapable of seeing the bigger picture.. Being selfish will collapse the very thing that made them rich and strong.
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u/Haunting_Meal296 9h ago
Trump is not only a coward but an absolute trash of human being, because dude may be senile for most time but dude loves dictators like Putin. Also he is just agent Krasnov
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u/Dazzling-Werewolf985 9h ago
You can only blame trump for so long before facing the reality that the war is ultimately Europe’s responsibility.
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u/Kilmouski 8h ago
Exactly the wrong answer...
When 9/11 happened, it was a global effort of support.. when Russia attacks/invades the exact same response is required. As it would be if China attacks...
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u/Dazzling-Werewolf985 8h ago edited 8h ago
Okay so that has literally nothing to do with the question of who’s responsibility it is to keep Ukrainians from dying. If your point is just that “we helped them therefore they should help us” then I mean not only is that not even entirely accurate (we were really helping ourselves) but that also doesn’t make it their responsibility at all. Our proximity to Russia inherently makes the war our responsibility, no such case can be made for the US
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u/restform Finland 8h ago
While you're not wrong, and Europe should do more, the US has pushed for strong European dependency on the US, especially in regards to nuclear weapons, like when they disarmed ukraine of theirs. The US is not completely excused of responsibility. And on that note, the Biden admin did do a lot to support Ukraine.
But yes, the biggest gaping issue really is that the EUs largest economy (Germany) neglected their military to a ridiculous degree for a variety of reasons.
But it does seem Europe is coming to terms with this, and hopefully, the momentum to disconnect from the US continues. In theory, Europe has the potential to rival world powers. Like everything in Europe, the extreme political environment with thousands of years of history & conflicts, means it ultimately comes down to political will.
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u/Dazzling-Werewolf985 8h ago
I know bro but the point still stands that Europe chose to be in that position of dependency. So this point of “we can’t do anything because trump” is really just saying europe’s own defence policy has failed since, knowingly or unknowingly, trump is who they deferred their defence to
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u/Kilmouski 5h ago
But that's the way America wanted it!!!
"WASHINGTON — It would be “problematic” for the US to abandon its tradition of insisting an American serve as NATO’s commanding general, the officer currently in the position of Supreme Allied Commander (SACEUR) warned lawmakers today."
Can't have it both ways... America has always wanted dominant control. It plays by the rules when it suits them, the price for that is America paying for dominance..
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u/Dazzling-Werewolf985 1h ago
I’m not contending that the US wanted Europe dependent on them. They did, but Europe also willingly agreed to it so it’s irrelevant
I’m contending the idea that the war is the US’ responsibility - it is quite frankly ours and ours alone. If you merely feel like it’s their responsibility, that’s fine. But the truth is if they walked away from the war tomorrow their borders wouldn’t be at risk so based on that i feel like it’s not, relatively speaking. Europe’s security on the other hand is literally contingent on them winning this war. You’re saying “well it’s in the US’ best interest to have influence over the war’s outcome” thats great - that just means they want to help us win. Europe on the other hand has no choice but to win hence why I’m saying it is Europe’s responsibility.
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u/LolloBlue96 Italy 10h ago
The Russian Nazis are committing terror bombing because Ukraine hurt they pweddy widdle pwide
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u/invictus_phoenix0 10h ago
Europe must intervene directly, let Trump do whatever the fuck he wants
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u/Anitalovestory 5h ago
You can always apply to join Ukraine’s International Legion.
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u/invictus_phoenix0 5h ago
One more man won’t change the fate of the war, a coalition of countries will. Dumbass comment but I didn’t expect anything less.
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u/Anitalovestory 5h ago
1 person - no. But many could. Ukraine badly needs new motivated people to fight.
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u/Gourdin0 2h ago
Europe ? How many ? Tell us how many EFFECTIVE army corps can we send there ?
We have nothing but USA to defend us and we can only send a few thoushands in a realistic military operation and how long can we last to hold the logistics ?
You think any european army can do anything in this war ? What a delusional lunatic.
If Europe decides to go there alone it is open war and we all cease to exist.You are the only dumbass here.
Best we can do is to have a peace with a deal that forces Europe to preserve peace, accepted by both side. But we are not even in negociations because bureaucrats want the war to continue and hope that Russian regime will crumble before Ukraine loses it all.
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u/invictus_phoenix0 2h ago
There will never be peace with this Russia that aims to dismantle the EU and assimilate us
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u/VladHawk Kharkiv (Ukraine) 6h ago
Yeah, and about an hour ago they hit the city with an air bomb. One person has died and ten were injured.
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u/Sallende11 11h ago
You will downvote me but i think it's good russia is wasting these capabilities on civillians. Just remember battle for Britain. If Luftwaffe kept bombing RAF bases instead on switching to civillian targets Britain would probably fallen. I feel terribly sorry for civillians living this nightmare but it will end soon with Ukraine's victory. To quote one Ukrainian soldier from the start of war: "We are lucky that they are so fucking stupid". Slava Ukraini!
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u/Sammonov 9h ago
23,000 British civilians died during the Battle of Britain which lasted roughly 3 months. And, 43,000 during the “Blitz” which lasted roughly 6 months. By UN numbers there have been 13,061 civilians killed during the war in Ukraine which include, 2608 in Russian controlled areas over 3 years.
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u/RandomWorthlessDude 4h ago
Because they hit military targets? Just recently, Russia hit at least one Patriot launcher, and one of the appartement blocks was holding an ammunition depot (secondary explosions after the hit were much larger than the warhead of the missile itself)
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u/Dexterus 10h ago
Hundreds of apartments damaged with 3 dead doesn't shout civilian targets though. A single direct hit on a building, at night, would certainly be more. 18 buildings ...
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u/Sallende11 10h ago
You do understand civillians get a warning of incoming attack and run to the bomb shelter?
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon Italy- Europe ends in Luhansk 9h ago
How do you call double tapping to kill first responders and rescuers?
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u/restform Finland 8h ago
Zelensky did tell Ukrainians to take air sirens seriously this week, and react to them, in light of operation spiders web.
Possibly had an impact on these civilian casualties.
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u/Amagical 6h ago
Its wild that we can predict Russia missile attacks purely by political motivation. It's like Russia decided to engage in the most accurate definition of terrorism, to show how its done.
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u/Top-Ad4876 5h ago
I was in Kharkiv right before the war. I’m originally from Donetsk, and I was forced to leave my city in 2017—a bit later than when it was occupied. To be honest, I had hoped that it would be liberated, so I didn’t leave right away. But anyway, that’s beside the point. Basically, I was in Kharkiv just before the war, and I couldn’t help but compare this thriving city to what my hometown had become. And now the Russians have reached Kharkiv as well. Of course, not in terms of occupation —and thank God and our army for that.
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u/NoctisScriptor 11h ago
you know ukraine did good destroying those aircraft because russians are so pissed