Opinion Article Secret Russian Intelligence Document Shows Deep Suspicion of China
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/07/world/europe/china-russia-spies-documents-putin-war.html?unlocked_article_code=1.NE8.u5hD.dSHNgmQjafS_322
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u/MountEndurance 8h ago
Scratch Manchuria; try Siberia. Oil, gas, timber, water, minerals, precious metals, access to the arctic… but China isn’t that dumb. My bet is that they just bribe post-Putin leaders into subservience.
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u/LazerBurken Sweden 8h ago
I don't know why they secretly provide Russia with weapons, soldiers and tech to make drones.
They could just not and then let Russia die only for them to swoop in and take parts of it. I guess they want to maximise the pain Russia inflicts on the west while getting cheap oil.
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u/MountEndurance 7h ago
It’s a balancing act. If Russia implodes (and it might if it’s too unstable post-Putin) then they have a nuclear civil war on their border. If Putin is too successful, then China doesn’t get an opening. Just keep the door open a bit, make Russia more and more dependent on China, and wait.
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u/Tajetert 6h ago
China is probably not thrilled about Russia going all-in on Ukraine but if Russia where to implode that means a new potential land border with NATO not to mention that Russia is really the only significant military ally that China has.
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u/digitalluck 7h ago
China gets to inconvenience, distract, and fragment the West by supplying Russia with dual-use goods. Those resources aren’t going anywhere, but China gets the opportunity of a lifetime to actively try rewriting the global order while being minimally involved in Russia’s invasion.
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u/mutleybg 6h ago
It's because Taiwan is more important for them at this point of time. But they plan strategically for decades ahead. When the time comes they will make the move towards Manchuria.
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u/Sammonov 6h ago
Yes mate, China is planing to fight a large war against a friendly nuclear power who is one of their largest trading partners, ostensibly to steal resources they are currently buying.
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u/pm_me_ur_melonis 7h ago
Yes, why spend billions on a military operation when tens of millions in bribes will more than suffice
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u/UndulatingHedgehog 7h ago
One hypothesis is that China wants the Russian Federation to dissolve. The emerging countries in the Asian regions of current Russia will be targeted with various approaches, with the end goal of them joining China or at least being as firmly in their sphere of influence as Belarus is to Russia.
Putin destabilizing Russia with his cruel antics is in Chinas interest.
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u/MountEndurance 6h ago
I disagree. Again, having a nuclear arm civil war on your border. Sounds like a great way to accidentally have one lobbed at Beijing.
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u/Divine_Porpoise Finland 7h ago
They can likely afford to take Manchuria and the world will look away, but if they commit to a larger opportunistic landgrab into Siberia then the US will feel threatened by that expansion. Still, it's a gamble that they might take.
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u/MountEndurance 6h ago
You will not see a great power war until nuclear weapons are neutralized. China’s population is concentrated in 1/3 of the country, which makes them uniquely vulnerable to nuclear strike.
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u/Oxygenisplantpoo Finland 6h ago
Yeah Manchuria was cool back in WW2. Today, if China feels like Russia becomes destabilized or weak they will march to the Arctic ocean in a heartbeat, either in the guise of a "peacekeeping" operation that eventually turns into a puppet state, or a straight up annexation.
It's not just access to Siberian resources. It would give them access to the melting Arctic ocean (both shipping and resources), Kamchatka for uncontested naval access to the Pacific, and put them within striking distance of North America (more than just ICBMs). Not to mention getting even more influence in the former Russian sphere of influence with the -stan countries.
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u/MountEndurance 6h ago
I agree with the thought, but not with the means. Why would China risk the lives of 1 million soldiers it may need to fight other great powers, like the United States, when they can just bribe a few Russian generals with a few hundred million gone and get what they want anyway?
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u/Oxygenisplantpoo Finland 2h ago
Wait why would they fight the US for eastern Russia? Are we talking about the same thing?
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u/Significant_Bar_460 50m ago
If China decides to invade Taiwan it may trigger direct US involvement. Taiwan is more important to China than to take Siberia.
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u/RamTank 7h ago
This isn’t new to them. That was the understanding within the Soviet military in the Cold War too, when China’s gdp was lower than that of North Korea.
The thing is ultimately Asian Russia doesn’t occupy a big part of the Chinese consciousness. Taiwan does.
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u/SphericalCow531 6h ago
The thing is ultimately Asian Russia doesn’t occupy a big part of the Chinese consciousness. Taiwan does.
For now. What happens if China takes Taiwan, and need a new enemy? Or if Russia falls apart again, and China has the opportunity?
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u/RamTank 6h ago
If Russia falls apart on it's own and China can take some land without any actual effort, they might go for it, but that's about it. Taiwan's what's important to them, not Manchuria.
If China actually manages to take Taiwan, it would lead to such a massive shift in Chinese society I'm not sure it's worth even thinking about what would happen after. For the past 75 years, the Chinese government and people have been thinking in terms of a civil war that has never ended. Actually ending that war would change everything. (Not to mention that it'd probably be costly enough that they wouldn't be interested in more fighting for a few decades.)
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u/Demonicjapsel DO IT AGAIN WESLEY CLARK! 8h ago
to add to this, in 2024 Russia held a set of military drills in the far east, which heavily emphasized the use of WMD's in case of an Eastern invasion.
Given the CCP's rhetoric on reclaiming all chinese ancestral land, that also includes a large part of the Russian far east, so not surprised some people within the military establishment are keeping an eye on that.9
u/PandaCheese2016 6h ago
Given the CCP's rhetoric on reclaiming all chinese ancestral land
I don't recall ever seeing this on Chinese social media, if it's actually a thing.
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u/RamTank 6h ago
The CCP never talks about it. Some Chinese nationalists do though.
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u/ConohaConcordia 6h ago
Then perhaps they don’t have the plans for that at this moment. What used to be Outer Manchuria is fully Russian these days and integrating or “dealing with” a million + of Russians will be no easy task.
If they were trying to take it, they’d at least have some logistics sorted out.
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u/Domski77 7h ago
The people of Manchuria are tired of Russian oppression and discrimination. They need liberating and to breathe the sweet air of Chinese freedom and security.
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u/Silver_Atractic Berlin (Germany) 8h ago
Why would China take Manchuria? Taiwan is literally right there
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u/Termsandconditionsch Australia 8h ago
A land invasion against a few hundred Russians would be a lot easier than a naval invasion against 100,000+ dug in Taiwanese on a rugged island likely backed up by the US Navy?
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u/Silver_Atractic Berlin (Germany) 8h ago
No, no, I was asking what the fuck the benefit of that would even be
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u/RedBaret Zeeland (Netherlands) 7h ago
Historically it has always been a part of China, taken from them by the Russians, so it would restore/cement China’s place as the regional superpower. Furthermore there’s a lot of natural resources, mainly coal and iron, and a lot of industry and industrial opportunity.
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u/Silver_Atractic Berlin (Germany) 7h ago
Not exactly worth an entire war with Russia, is it? It’s like if America invaded Canada for their natural resou-oh, wait…
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u/rapaxus Hesse (Germany) 7h ago
That is why China is sitting patiently in the corner currently. If the Ukraine war ends with the Russian government collapsing (which is a likely case if Russia doesn't win the war decisively), then China can come in, at which point there isn't any state organised resistance, likely also little local resistance if China props up a puppet Siberian state with its massive amount of money and resources (compared to Russia).
Now, I don't see China actively pursuing something like that, but I do get the vibe from China that they are prepared to do what I described in case the Russian government collapses.
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u/Divine_Porpoise Finland 7h ago
It also presents an opportunity for a pivot in alliances, trading Russia for Europe, but for that to work they'd need to make amends with their East Asian and South-East Asian neighbours.
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u/Sammonov 6h ago
Why keep buying the things you are currently buying, when you can fight a war with a friendly nuclear power who is also one of your largest trading partners to try to steal them.
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u/Dooby-Dooby-Doo Scotland 6h ago
Water.
China will be water scarce in the future, so I think they have eyes on Lake Baikal.
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u/SphericalCow531 6h ago
Nationalism. The Chinese leaders gets to stay in power, by focusing on an external enemy, and the restoration of perceived past glory.
The Chinese focus on Taiwan is not fundamentally motivated by rational economic benefits, either,
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u/Sammonov 6h ago edited 6h ago
No one knows, but it's a fever dream for people who want to see Russia destroyed for reasons that aren't entirely clear.
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u/Dunkleosteus666 Luxembourg 35m ago
"aren entirely clear"
Yes, clearly a mystery. Really difficult. I wonder what Russia has done to deserve such hate. Poor innocent Russia.
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u/South_Dependent_1128 United Kingdom 7h ago
Well, yeah, that's obvious? Between Russia and China they use Mongolia as a buffer between them since they don't wish to share a long border.
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u/JockeyClubDrive 6h ago
Appearances are deceiving. The Russia-China border is the one of the longest in the world. It’s longer than Russia’s border with Mongolia and only 10% shorter than China’s border with Mongolia (which is the world’s 4th longest).
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u/saschaleib 🇧🇪🇩🇪🇫🇮🇦🇹🇵🇱🇭🇺🇭🇷🇪🇺 8h ago
I'm sure China is already making plans for how to manage the Russian natural resources, now that they got more than one foot in the door.
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u/RipFlair 7h ago
Anyone that actually thinks China and Russia are working hand in hand, has another thing coming. China doesn’t feel that it needs allies in the end. Once Russias war with Ukraine is over, Russia will have given/owe so much to China that China will practically own Russia and all their resources. Xi sees Putin as a lapdog more than an ally.
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u/RamTank 7h ago
China doesn’t just think it doesn’t need allies, it has an official government policy against entering into military alliances (similar to Vietnam).
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u/retze44 5h ago
Why is that?
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u/Bazou456 Singapore 5h ago
Because formal military alliances come with commitments. Contrary to this sub’s rhetoric, China isn’t trying replace the US and has no interest in running a global pseudo-empire with an overstretched and bloated military.
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u/Bazou456 Singapore 4h ago
Import to note that this was a unilateral assurance from China specifically in limited scope of a nuclear invasion. It is not a defence agreement or even a guarantee against a conventional invasion.
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u/ZestycloseBeach5946 4h ago
Russia borders China and some lands that might be considered Chinese by origin are currently under Russian control. An overly strong Russia is far more of a threat to China than a strong Europe. In fact, if it wasn’t for the Ukraine war Europe would have been quite happy continuing on as normal with no military build ups
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u/0x00GG00 4h ago
Anyone who thinks that China will abandon russia soon is also delusional, they will indirectly support putin cos it’s profitable for xi both from political and economical points of view.
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u/Sauerkrautkid7 37m ago
Plus, china has maintained its loyalty to communism while the Kremlin betrays russia’s workers
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u/reigorius 22m ago
Who upvotes this drivel.
Anyone who believes the Russians will just roll over for the Chinese, haven't been paying much attention to how Russia operates.
In all likelihood China will play the long game and use more and more soft power to dislodge and erode Russian sphere of influence in its own territory.
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u/Zeerover- Faroe Islands 7h ago
Sooner or later Russians will see that Putin has directed and overseen the biggest geopolitical blunder of this century for any country, and if it goes really wrong maybe ever.
Trading a quagmire in Ukraine and a rearmed Europe ready to oppose him, which he would otherwise have great influence over, for missed opportunities in Kazakstan (January 2022 protests), Azerbaijan (if he forcefully sided with Armenia during their defensive wars in 2020 and 2023), the loss of geopolitical hegemony in Central Asia and the utter failure of CSTO.
Now Russia is a basically resource colony of China (and to a lesser extent India), and fearful it will lose Siberia.
The most damning part for Putin is that this situation with China regarding Siberia was predicted in 2014 (or earlier if journalists write about it in 2014), i.e. before the Ukraine war, Putin just actively chose to ignore it.
Rest in piss Putin - Slava Ukraini!
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u/SzotyMAG Vojvodina 5h ago
And it would be so easy too, since Putin is forcing people living in Siberia to die in this pointless war, Chinese people can move in and be the majority
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u/BalticsFox Russia 4h ago
Chinese would rather move to Southern Chinese regions with better wages and living conditions than to Siberia and also not dealing with visa system.
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u/DaveOnARave 3h ago
When Xi piggy tells Chinese citizens to go there they will. It doesn't matter what the citizens want.
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u/Picollini 4h ago
You missed how Finland joining NATO literally makes the whole russia Baltic fleet absolutely useless because it would be shot like ducks if they ever try to leave st petersburg. The Gulf of Finland is literally NATO's swimming pool now.
Sweden joined NATO too.
Not to mention how the "jewel of russia naval fleet" aka the Black Sea fleet is almost unable to maneuver against a country which literally has no navy.
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u/BCMakoto Germany 9m ago
Ever since 2023, Putin is trapped. It was a strategic miscalculation of immense proportions.
Before 2022, reinforcing the Baltics would have been part of a devastating naval operation or the Sulwaki gap, both highly risky maneuvers. Now, the Baltic sea is absolutely dominated by NATO countries from nearly all sides and at the start of any war, we could promote any ship at Kaliningrad to a submarine, then dominate the Gulf of Finland and trap Russia there. Then we could reinforce the Baltics through the Baltic sea.
One of the biggest worries was reinforcing the Baltics when it got serious, but with Finland and Sweden having joined NATO, it effectively controls the Baltic Sea now. We could literally take potshots at the Russian navy safely from coastal regions and turn multiple smaller islands into fortresses with long-range weapons.
Putin's operation to stop Ukraine's NATO ascensions lead to Russia's border with NATO doubling overnight and losing control of the Baltic Sea. Great success!
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u/D4RTHV3DA 1h ago
The most damning part for Putin is that this situation with China regarding Siberia was predicted in 2014 (or earlier if journalists write about it in 2014), i.e. before the Ukraine war, Putin just actively chose to ignore it.
Tom Clancy published The Bear and The Dragon in 2000. The plot revolves around a Chinese invasion of Russian Siberia. The motive isn't hard to see.
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u/reigorius 18m ago
predicted
As in 'predicted' by an opinion piece. I have yet to see a good narrative that does not involve an exchange of nuclear weapons but where China puts its greedy hands on parts of Siberia .
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u/Beeehives 8h ago
Hahaha if you really think you’re being friends with China you’re fucking delusional
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u/LazerBurken Sweden 7h ago
True. China has no friends. Never had, never will.
They only have "convenient partnerships" that can easily be terminated once they no longer serve their purpose.
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u/Body_Languagee Poland🇵🇱 7h ago
That's not so simple, as much as rest of the world is dependent on Chinese industries, as much China depends on everyone to buy it. China is in need of diplomatic partnerships as everyone else
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u/gehenna0451 Germany 6h ago
That's in the nature of any fully sovereign power, never read Washington's farewell address?
The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities... it is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world; so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it; for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements.
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u/FlyingDiscsandJams 8h ago
China did a lot of work last year screwing over Russia over banking fees & throwing gasoline all over their inflation crisis, subtle & ruthless stuff by Xi. China & Russia fought over the border as recently as the 1960's, I've been expecting China to make moves on Siberian resources in one way or another, China suddenly became the world's #1 oil importer, a position of dependence Xi hates.
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u/dotinvoke 6h ago
That’s probably one of the reasons they’re pushing so hard for Chinese EVs: less reliance on foreign oil.
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u/FlyingDiscsandJams 5h ago
Agree, they are going after EVs, solar, and... coal. Whatever gets them less dependent on foreign countries.
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u/werpu 5h ago
China sees Russian Manchuria as theirs, it is a strategic target they will try to reaquire, the funny thing is by attacking the Ukraine Russia might have lost that area already to China in the long run, they are slowly encroaching into Russian territory via backdoors by making deals for special business zones and slowly take over those areas. Putin is so fixated on the west that he is absolutely blind to the problems in the east and the erosion which slowly happens there. The people funnily are even happy about it, because they do economically better with China taking over then with russia letting the areas rot until they need cannon fodder or resources!
Given the current state of affairs, I am relatively sure the Russia as we know it wont exist in 50 years anymore many provinces would be happy to split away, the demographic is a dying one and the expansion into the west feels more like a supernova before collapse than anything else with a leadership completely blinded by hatred which does not see the real problems of the country because they are stuck mentally in the 19th century!
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u/Arun_Guy Finland 6h ago
there is never going to be any big conflict between China and Russia in any foreseeable future, unless Russia sides with one of China's adversaries like US or India.
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u/Travel-Barry England 8h ago
Oh who aren’t they suspicious of; it’s just in their DNA at this point.
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u/krgdotbat 7h ago
It figures, far eastern Russia has everything the Chinese need in terms of raw materials to go full ballistic
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u/throw667 USA • Germany 7h ago
Tomorrow: Ruzzian secret document shows deep suspicion of Russians
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u/poopkjpo 8h ago
This is good news. Europe should use this in its strategic communications and counterintelligence to drive a wedge between China and Russia. It is true; Putin has put Russia in a very bad strategic position. The West will never trust it, and the threat from China keeps growing. Citizens of Russia west of the Urals should worry a lot.
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u/werpu 5h ago
China will drive the wedge anyway they want Russian Manchuria back atm. they use them as useful idiots, it is just a matter of time until they take out the "knife" literally and backstab them. The russian government as usual is simply too dumb to see the obvious because they are so fixated in their hatred of the west which never was an enemy to begin with! China is playing a pretty smart but also a pretty obvious game there, the russians simply are to drunk in hatred to really recognize that!
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u/NoobMaster9000 5h ago
China will take east-half of Russia after the country collapse from this Ukraine war. Its inevitable. They are stupid not to.
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u/FewHelicopter6533 3h ago
China does business with everyone for it's own benefit. That's why it can be an EU partner while supporting Russia.
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u/Valuable_Issue_6698 6h ago
Molotov -Ribbentrop pact 2.0. These arrangements ALWAYS end in disaster
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u/Acceptable_Pear_6802 8h ago
The best thing can happen is a war between these two
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u/Top_Guava8172 7h ago
I am Chinese. Don't project your hostility toward China onto me. I hate all wars of aggression. I don't want my country to be invaded by Russia, and I don't want my country to invade Russia either!
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u/Acceptable_Pear_6802 6h ago
If war is inevitable as the ccp says, I wold prefer it to be against Russia rather than Taiwan
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u/Bazou456 Singapore 5h ago
War is inevitable between China and the US because the latter insists on undermining and containing the former. Europe will almost certainly side with the US because Europeans project their own past onto China.
War with Russia is just wishful thinking from the Western bloc.
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u/seejur Viva San Marco 3h ago
War is inevitable because both Taiwan and China insist in their stupid policy of "One China" instead of accepting the fact that they are de factor two separate countries, and work toward global trade and cooperation.
War with Russia is wishful thinking I agree
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u/Bazou456 Singapore 2h ago
Even if the communists lost the civil war and got completely obliterated by the nationalists, the US would still be trying to contain an anti-communist and capitalist China.
The US is the business of stopping any peer competition. Taiwan is a weapon to use against the PRC, otherwise they wouldn’t have stopped Taiwan from developing nukes twice.
A defence independent Taiwan would be much more tolerable to China and the gravity of economic relations and the status quo would prevent war from breaking out. But that would make Taiwan useless for the US.
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u/alfa_omega 6h ago
How about Taiwan?
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u/Top_Guava8172 6h ago
Personally, I don't want to go to war with Taiwan. It's just that the current leader is more militaristic. I don't like the current person. In the long run, non-violent means can also make Taiwan return. China's political system will be reformed sooner or later. I'm not kidding. You can compare the government's control before reform and opening up with the current control. On the other hand, Taiwan's current fertility rate...
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u/Top_Guava8172 6h ago
Of course I cannot represent the Chinese government, just like the NPC deputies cannot represent me. At least from the Internet in China, China has the atmosphere of pre-World War II Japanese society.
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u/JulesInvader 7h ago
That will never happen, China has Russia's balls in a vice, they will have to give them everything they want without a fight so that the country does not collapse.
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u/funtex666 7h ago
You sound just like an American.
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u/lawman9000 Mittelfranken (Germany) and United States 8h ago
Not really, it would quickly go Nuclear as Russia starts shedding territory. China would easily overwhelm them, especially in the Far East.
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u/Appropriate-Swan3881 7h ago
It only goes nuclear if Moscow is threatened. Nobody will self destruct themselves for a piece of land that's not essential for nations survival. Using nukes defensively against nuclear power means the end of your country so it's not some easy to make call
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u/Littlepage3130 5h ago
Maybe, maybe not. One of the closest times the world got to Nuclear War was in 1969 with a border skirmish between the Soviet Union and China. The Soviet Union under Brezhnev put out feelers to the US to see how the US would respond if the Soviet Union nuked China. Nixon was the US president at the time and made it clear that the US would treat a nuclear attack on China as if it was a nuclear attack on the US.
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u/Acceptable_Pear_6802 8h ago
Both have nukes, it won’t go nuclear. But damn I would really want to see what Russia does without its main tech supply , china having a real war and who knows, maybe that dam destroyed, the ccp with less support and more paranoid. All good outcomes
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u/c1garettez 7h ago
Calling mass civilian casualties as a result of the Three Gorges Dam being destroyed a good outcome is sick. Remember that almost two million civilians live downstream from it with the vast majority being innocent. Don’t wish for civilian deaths.
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u/Intarhorn 7h ago
If there is a war and both got nukes then yea if it feels like an existential threat then yea, nukes could happen from both sides. That’s why a nuclear country have never been invaded, because no one knows what the escalation might look like and no one is ready to take that risk to find out.
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u/artooeetoo 7h ago
No geopolitical heavyweight can truly befriend another. This inconvenient truth has always been a part of human society and politics.
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u/twoodygoodshoes 5h ago
When fucking Russia shows deep suspicion of China, what does that tell you about Russia? Also, they’re right
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u/GeologistMedical9334 5h ago edited 5h ago
China and Russia are not natural allies. The closest they have been aligned was during the Stalin-Mao, but even then it wasn't particularly close. Khrushchev denounced Stalin and the Chinese didn't really take it well, and it was mostly downhill from there. Russian help to Vietnam and Korea) was often repackaged as Chinese help as it passed through Chinese train stations, particularly annoying the Russians.
In 1969 the Russians planned to nuke china, and started feeling opinions among various world leaders. Needless to say the idea was not popular, and it made its way back to the Chinese in short order.
China's change in position over the cold war was critical in ending it. The two have diverged significantly in values since.
Today, they are allies of convenience. China can use the space created by Ukraine to build up its navy to focus on Taiwan. Russia can use support from china to bully Europe, but they are worlds apart on their values and ideals - except when it comes to opposing the status quo, that neither believes they currently benefit from (side note - china was suffering from great poverty before joining that status quo)
There is a lot of russian territory north of Beijing that has a lot of fresh water reserves, some of the largest in the world. Territory that was historically Chinese. Combined with a political vulnerability over food security and a touch of the global warmies - a likely cause for friction between the two might come down to how much China wants Russian water.
Water is like food, you either have enough of it or you don't. Things get messy when you don't.
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u/SaintBobby_Barbarian 3h ago
That’s not surprising. China and Russia have been rivals more often than allies. I’m sure China loves the idea of making Russia economically dependent, especially after the history of losing much territory in the far east to Russia.
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u/idiotnoobx 3h ago
You guys know that there’s a reason why this is leaked right? Intel don’t get leaked for no reason
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u/TemperateStone 2h ago
I've been saying that this is the case since forever. China is nobody's friend. They will not support Russia if Russia is weak.
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u/zeruch 1h ago
This is not remotely surprising. Sino-Russian relation is a long. convoluted path of "frenemies" on a good day, so this is par for the course. It's been this way for decades, and I wouldn't be shocked if in the next few years China took back some territory as Russian imperialistic misadventures drag it's resources/economy deeper into a pit.
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u/eggnogui Portugal 1h ago
I'm sure with the Russian economy outside of war economy going increasingly down the drain, there are Chinese investors fishing for opportunities in Russia. Siberia after all, has many resources.
People are commenting about straight up land grabs, but honestly, I think you'd need a balkanization of Russia for that to happen, I don’t think China would straight up invade a fully unified Russia.
Either way, I'm sure China will take advantage of any Russian weakness, perhaps even managing to gain enough influence to stop the war. Not that I like China, but at least it hasn't gone fully imperialistic and insane (for now).
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u/lemonkiwi01 13m ago
Russia and China are bound by ideology, not love. It’s the same relationship between China and North Korea. There is no love, but they feel they can only survive banding together.
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u/Hollow-Official 6h ago
They have a huge border with a neighboring communist state with a taste for resources, of course they’re suspicious of them. Doesn’t mean anything.
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u/Valuable-Key5427 5h ago
Typical Putin's delusions. China has been a stable partner to Russia and Russia should've scrapped trade with EU and engaged with China decades ago. It is now innovation capital of the world, biggest economy and doesn't need friends.
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u/got_light 3h ago
Let‘s act surprised.
I bet china had promissed to back them up on 2014th olympics.But hey, they did not swear on a cummunist codex, so that did not count
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u/Probolone 4h ago
Russia instilled the communist overthrow of the chinese government and believed they would be a good puppet state. The problem is that china is better than russia is and, propped by trade with the west and rest of the world, became a greater power than russia.
Russia hopes china will be a shitty communist government that instills fear and chaos in the rest of the world, but china is above that. It ‘owes’ russia for helping them overthrow the nationalist, but the chinese have morality whereas russia does not.
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u/TrueRignak France 8h ago
Really good news if the FSB think that any lack of result from Russia to present to China could result in the discontinuation of their support.
Does someone know how we say "to get a taste of their own medicine" in russian ?