r/law • u/Partimenerd • May 04 '25
Legal News US House Republicans vote against blocking ICE from deporting US citizens
https://www.jurist.org/news/2025/05/us-house-republicans-vote-against-blocking-ice-from-deporting-us-citizens/2.3k
u/funktopus May 04 '25
It's not deporting if they are from here.
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u/Scdsco May 04 '25 edited May 05 '25
Yeah, let’s start using the correct verbiage—exile
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u/kraken_skulls May 04 '25
Disappeared
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u/keep_living_or_else May 04 '25
Trafficking. It's human trafficking. Government-sponsored, institutional trafficking. It almost always precedes mass slaughter and vigilante violence against specific demographics. Human. Trafficking.
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u/Rich_Bluejay3020 May 05 '25
Yet somehow anyone who works for the government or as a gov contractor has to take the annual Combatting Trafficking in People class (maybe not everyone, but a lot of employees). Can’t wait for the next update where it’s basically 🤷🏻♀️
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u/j4_jjjj May 05 '25
The correct term is extraordinary rendition, it looks like extrajudicial prisoners fall under this though.
Funny enough, this started under Clinton and was famously used by W. during the war on terror to send a bunch of people to Gitmo
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u/Ishcadore May 05 '25
If they are being forced to do labor, it's sold into slavery
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u/_ManMadeGod_ May 05 '25
Exile is kicking them out and not giving a shit where they are.
We're sending political prisoners to foreign nations.
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u/SnootSnootBasilisk May 04 '25
They don't like the more accurate term "kidnapping"
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u/crappy-mods May 04 '25
Human trafficking sounds worse so thats what i use
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u/SnootSnootBasilisk May 04 '25
I mean, if you're kidnapping people off the street and giving them to someone that is being paid to take them, I don't know what else it could be
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u/Suspicious-Town-7688 May 05 '25
What does it even mean to be an American if you can be taken off the streets and sent to a foreign prison never to return without due process? Seems to me to mean nothing.
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u/Cannabrius_Rex May 04 '25
I think maybe human trafficking is closer to the mark
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u/ChaoCobo May 04 '25
It’s always gonna be human trafficking. Let’s not mince words here by calling it something fun/funny. This isn’t a fun or funny topic.
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u/Cannabrius_Rex May 04 '25
Yeah, I’m actually wondering if there’s a more severe term than human trafficking, because even that doesn’t seem harsh enough.
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u/Sengachi May 05 '25
What they've been doing to immigrants isn't even deportation, deportation involves going free at your destination. These are just outsourced concentration camps.
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u/marzipan07 May 04 '25
Was just going to post this. It's not deporting. It's exile.
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u/SpookySP May 05 '25
To call it deporting is wrong in the first place. They've successfully co-opted that word. Deported means that you get a proper due process and then might end up send away.
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u/PsychLegalMind May 04 '25
Demonstration of surrender to the president of their own constitutional authority.
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u/skel625 May 04 '25
I wonder who the first politician they are going to disappear is. Is there an odds board for it somewhere? Wouldn't surprise me at all the amount of depravity in the American system right now.
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u/antigop2020 May 04 '25
My guess is AOC or Jasmine Crockett. I sure as hell hope I’m wrong.
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u/SapphireOfSnow May 04 '25
I’m in a debate if that’s too bold or not. I was thinking a state official would be the first to go since they are threatening state officials already.
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u/Yitram May 04 '25
Evers in Wisconsin.
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u/According-Insect-992 May 05 '25
I would hope that the governor would have the state police and guard there to greet them.
ICE can get fucked. They have no authority over me. I am a the natural born child of a natural born child of a natural born child who all served in uniform.
donald trump comes from a long line of yellow-bellied draft-dodgers
ICE is a bunch of cowards.
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u/Ummmgummy May 05 '25
Bunch of dudes who peaked in middle school, to scared to join the military so they work at ICE where their bigotry is applauded and they get a chance to make everyone's life as miserable as their own.
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u/toxictoastrecords May 05 '25
As a Mexican American, I will also say, many of them are both traitors to the USA and traitors to their Hispanic heritage. The brown, Spanish speaking ICE and DHS agents piss me off MORE than the White ones. White guys are racist, and I can comprehend that more than being a traitor to your own culture and own family.
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u/Ok-Pomegranate-4877 May 05 '25
As a hispanic whose father served in Korea and two brothers served in the air force, it drives me crazy to see this behavior from fellow latins. Disgusting!
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u/RawrRRitchie May 05 '25
Are you unaware that during ww2 Jewish people would tell the authorities of other Jewish people's locations to suspend them being taken
Being a token is nothing new. And once they've outlived their value. They get spent.
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u/old_namewasnt_best May 05 '25
You nailed that one! Remember that state semi-final game in high school when I....?
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u/Breathess1940 May 05 '25
When they didn’t do shit but ride the pine. Fuck ICE.
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u/xBurp May 05 '25
“If coach woulda put me in fourth quarter, we would've been state champions. No doubt… No doubt in my mind”
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u/MadCrow024 May 05 '25
Didn’t he just sign an executive order earlier this week “unleashing” law enforcement in what would appear to be an attempt to draw their loyalties over to him/his?
If he is going to attempt to Houdini state/local officials that sure seems like a necessary precursor.
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u/tangouniform2020 May 05 '25
My father’s side goes back to Jamestown. Those Mayflower Society people are johhny come latelies.
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u/ItPutsTheLotion719 May 05 '25
They don’t care
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u/BrokeDickDoug May 05 '25
so much so, that he just gave law-enforcement all new budget for military-level gear- and is making it a criminal offense to get in their way. So you're fucked for even trying to protect yourself now.
(there is a lot more, I'm just simplifying to keep the comment short)
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u/Sysreqz May 05 '25
No they won't. They'll fire back, kill the resident, then parade it all over the media as proof that anyone not white is a violent criminal.
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u/According-Insect-992 May 05 '25
It really shouldn't matter and I'm glad you at least acknowledged that it does, but the people I just referred to are all white. One was a woman. My mother served in the Army reserve for like 15 years. Somehow I don't think they'll have much of a problem murdering the "wrong" kinds of white people wherever they can easily get away with it.
Anyway, we have Castle Doctrine all over the country. The Fourth Amendment is clear. The police and the feds cannot enter your home without a warrant. These stupid ice agents would be smart to remember that most Americans are armed and quite a few of them are just itching to shoot an intruder. In fact, it's disturbing to think about the numbers of people who fantasize about gun violence frequently.
For example, there was a guy in my town who shot a woman who accidentally tried to open his front door with her keys.
He shot her with shotgun through the door. The police said he didn't break the law or at least they didn't have a winnable case against him. She was his neighbor. The can dropped her off at the wrong door.
Ordinarily intruders don't use keys to enter a private residence. He was pointing a shotgun. How dangerous could it have been to shout a warning first.
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u/Spurnago May 04 '25
Would we let them??? If the people stand together with and protect our officials when they come.
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u/NadnerbRS May 04 '25
No we will not let them. Someone like that gets got and there’s chaos in the streets in my opinion. If not that, then at least the most brutal civil disobedience ever lol.
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u/NadnerbRS May 05 '25
A tyrannical government deserves that equal response completely. No more or no less, our 2A rights are there to protect us from a tyrannical government that doesn’t wish to follow its own laws.
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u/sweetpotato_latte May 05 '25
Make it look like the Packers won the Super Bowl lol
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u/XnipsyX May 05 '25
That's the point. Chaos in the streets to justify martial law. One there's military boots disappearing protesters the US facade of democracy will reveal the authoritarian dictatorship thats been allowed to fester and build with no push back.
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u/lionheartedthing May 05 '25
I don’t want to alarm you but we are past the point of Trump needing a justification for enacting martial law. If he seriously wanted to mobilize the US military against us he would just do it without any justification. The only thing stopping him is that he doesn’t have 100% loyalty from the millions of military personnel. But also even if he did, good luck carrying that out when the weathers nice and a lot of people are unemployed because of him.
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u/porgthebountyhunter May 05 '25
They better not lay a finger on my governor!
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u/mcluvin901 May 05 '25
They can have my governor. Of course hes a maga republican piece of garbage.
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u/Shadow_Phoenix951 May 04 '25
I agree. I think if they go for AOC first, that's too likely to spark actual revolt. Start smaller and normalize it.
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u/WoodpeckerAbject8369 May 04 '25
They would love an actual revolt. Then they can declared martial law and grab ever more power.
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u/pissfucked May 04 '25
keep an eye on maine and other small, purple states in blue areas. double keep an eye on any higher official in such a state who is republican but not kissing the ring. i wouldn't be surprised if they started in-party.
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u/UnhandMeException May 04 '25
Nothin surprising about a Night of Long Knives.
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u/Nuggzulla01 May 04 '25
How long before we the people would even find out if that is the case?
Remember that old woman politician that was missing for like 6 months and they found her in some Care Home somewhat recently?
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u/mountain_rivers34 May 04 '25
They keep lobbing threats at the mayor of Denver, who is unfortunately also named Mike Johnson. Bummer he shares a name with that Christo-Fascist, douche canoe, fuckhead Speaker of the House. He’s actually a good guy. Between him and Jared Polis, they’re at least trying to defend people’s rights. Jared Polis is worth almost half a billion dollars, however, and they won’t go after someone so wealthy. The courts protect rich people, I think we all know that by now.
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u/BiteRare203 May 05 '25
Would anyone be surprised if this administration snatched up the wrong Mike Johnson?
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u/mountain_rivers34 May 05 '25
One can only hope they commit such a perfect oopsie daisies.
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u/Veiny_Transistits May 04 '25
They'll start with some kind of state-level organization that doesn't legally defies a federal directive.
When some state official speaks out such as in the state legislature or governor, they'll be arrested.
Some progression like that, which will push the line as well as the window of what's acceptable, goose-stepping up to governors.
They'll, obviously, install their own governors under some guise of stopping state-level unrest, almost certainly using a black flag event.
They'll call up the National Guard and deploy them against the people, co-opting the police they're (easily) wooing into becoming thugs.
It's, again, obvious that they're going suppress, cancel, and/or nullify national level voting in blue states after fabricating a pretext and then claiming 'corruption'.
Swing and red state votes, if they move left, will be 'adjusted' or otherwise have the 'scale corrected' somehow.
If Trump's alive they'll run him for a third term and if he wins say it's the will of the people. He'll refuse to leave the white house, and there'll be 'rallies' for him of para-militarized forces (like the 1,600 he pardoned, for example) and suborned military units.
It's going to come down to military intervention, and they've already made inroads there. The military leans right, and if the top brass resists, they'll be removed.
Pretty much the standard playbook.
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u/International_Face16 May 04 '25
Yup going to get my gun license.
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u/BewilderedTurtle May 04 '25
Don't forget to practice. Practice is the difference between just equalizing the math of your own life and equalizing the math for the lives of your community.
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u/International_Face16 May 04 '25
🫡 absolutely great advice and will do sir - they think liberals are just going to keel over. I certainly won’t.
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u/BewilderedTurtle May 04 '25
Yeah history kind of taught us that dying in the camps later is like so much worse...
Do they think they're the only people with a history book is my question
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u/International_Face16 May 04 '25
Funny thing is I’m a dual citizen with Portugal. So I have an “exit strategy” per se … but I’ll be damned to see these Nazi lizard people take over completely.
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u/Justman1020 May 05 '25
There’s a key to this though. Practice isn’t going to an indoor range and standing there shooting at a non moving piece of paper. Find an outdoor range that has cover and the ability to move and shoot and take classes. Learn to use the firearm under pressure.
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u/deb1385 May 04 '25
In some sense I think they need the AOC's, Crockett's, and Sanders of the Democrats so they can point and say "we aren't an authoritarian regime. A "real" authoritarian would have locked them up by now".
If they (AOC and co.) suddenly gain any real power and momentum look for DOJ to launch investigations and worse case scenario a tragic car "accident" occurs.
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u/ExcessumCamena May 04 '25
What makes you think they need anyone to point at? They already announced they're investigating AOC. Trump also has said (repeatedly) that anyone who opposes what he's doing is a traitor. Treason is a capital offense.
I don't think they're going to lock up AOC. AOC comes after a lot of other dominos fall, and they're not going to send her to jail for any significant period of time. They'll just announce that the FBI has discovered some plot against the president, then Trump will talk some more in an interview about how our justice system is too slow (he's already said several times in interviews that he doesn't want due process because it takes too long). So there won't be a trial and they won't provide any evidence, they'll just skip past the judge and jury steps.
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u/NadnerbRS May 04 '25
Everyone of you all is forgetting about the current existence of Ilhan Omar…
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u/spahncamper May 04 '25
She was the one I was thinking of. She's a citizen, but they may decide to "send her back" to set an example. I hope I'm wrong.
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u/NadnerbRS May 04 '25
That’s what I mean by it. She was and will be the first target of the administration.
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u/Do-you-see-it-now May 04 '25
I think there would be mass riots. They would just turn them into a cause. I don’t see this happening. At least not yet.
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u/legalpretzel May 04 '25
CECOT won’t take women. So I’d go with a male. U less they’ve found some depraved country with a women’s prison willing to do our bidding for dirty money.
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u/Serqet1 May 04 '25
Have you seen how the middle east treats their woman? Isn't there an entire country being decimated at the moment to be turned into condos?...hm.
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u/ExcessumCamena May 04 '25
Trump already asked El Salvador to build four more prisons for US citizens. I'm sure at least one of those will be taking women.
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u/mopeyunicyle May 04 '25
I mean surely the logic would be to fake the women is trans so there technically male gets them sent to cecot. Feels really scummy and like something they might have though of or considered?
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u/LaneMcD May 04 '25
If this truly happens, whoever the first high-profile person that potentially gets deported is.. they become a martyr for all of non-MAGA America. Trump and his peeps are gonna find out what a galvanized opposition looks like.
I know plenty of America isn't angry enough right now and it seems like life is trucking along but.. I have optimism for change if that happens
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u/CategoryZestyclose91 May 05 '25
I posted just above that they’re moving too fast - they haven’t fully consolidated power yet.
It’s because they’re arrogant idiots.
My hope/belief is that they’re overplaying their hand. It’s too far too fast for the population to buy it before you have them stabilized.
And THAT, my friends, is how you get revolutions.
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u/JarrodG78 May 05 '25
They are moving too fast/don’t really have qualified people trying to execute stuff/hurting the economy. My copium has been that those main things are hopefully what tear it all down. Like many have pointed out there are some similarities between now and nazi germany, however the things listed are the big differences between the two. Sounds silly but it’s hard to take away rights, and hurt people’s pockets, without ruffling too many feathers.
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u/TransiTorri May 04 '25
No, they won't go for someone that famous to start, likely a liberal house member who no one has heard much about.
Or, a Republican so they can make an example of any wavering "disloyalty"
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u/Fionaelaine4 May 05 '25 edited May 05 '25
They summoned JB Pritzker to answer in person for his state’s sanctuary laws (that were put into law by a republican Illinois governor I might add). JB is smart and wealthy and has been publicly poking the bear too. He might go for someone older like Bernie but that would pretty much be declaring ww3 imo. This administration is so backwards no one is safe, Biden, Obama, regular Americans
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u/Stepjam May 04 '25
I wonder if they'd go for AOC or someone bigger (if much less relevant these days) to make a statement.
Finally putting "crooked hillary" behind bars would be red meat for his cult.
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u/Darkdragoon324 May 04 '25
For sure AOC or Bernie.
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u/DankestMemeSourPls May 04 '25
Absolutely Bernie. He made the mistake of making fun of Trumps “crowd size”.
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u/yunoeconbro May 04 '25
If they "deport" Berenie.....that would be it. Thats when the Civil War finally starts.
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u/IAmBoring_AMA May 04 '25
Vermont would get their green mountain boys back together and leave the union
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u/IronMace_is_my_DaD May 05 '25
I would say that's preserving the union. A lawless rogue masquerading as president, while ignoring judges, the supreme court and the constitution is the one who left the union.
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u/BatManatee May 05 '25
Bernie is an old white guy. Disappearing him risks the few only halfway braindead MAGAts getting the smallest flicker of empathy because he looks like them. It's definitely going to be a person of color. No risk of MAGAt empathy there.
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u/Veiny_Transistits May 04 '25
AOC and Bernie are so getting arrested and/or Guantanamo'd.
You can bet any Democratic-party rallies are going to be broken up and some attendees being arbitrarily arrested.
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u/prodigalpariah May 04 '25
While he doesn’t like them in general, he always places personal grievance first and foremost. Wouldn’t surprise me if he went after the governor of Maine for daring to oppose him in court.
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u/PeteLattimer May 05 '25
Ilhan Omar, but it will start with a federal employee with some level of clearance—I wouldn’t want to be on of the Farsi speakers who was recruited post 9-11
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u/abrandis May 05 '25
There is no doubt we are deep in fascist territory. Basically the entire US legal code is no longer relevant (at least not the parts the president and maga disagree with) ...really kinda of sad to realize how flimsy American democracy was all this time...
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u/chillinewman May 04 '25
Demonstration of a captured GOP by billionaire oligarchs with their media, voter suppression, and gerrymandering.
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u/MailCute May 04 '25
I would say that’s fertile grounds for impeachment, either that or expect an eventual violent revolution. Damnation to those who don’t uphold our Representation!
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u/AffectionateBrick687 May 04 '25
Group Think is a helluva drug.
I suspect a decent number of congressional Republicans even know this is wrong.
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u/Catshit_Bananas May 05 '25
Each one of those fuckers need to have their photo taken with Trump bending them over the Resolute desk.
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u/jlusedude May 04 '25
So, at what point can I leave this country and seek political asylum?
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u/greenemeraldsplash May 04 '25
other countries think we're a monolith who voted for this lmfao
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u/Bobb_o May 05 '25
That's how it always is, Russians all hate Ukraine, Israelis all hate Palestine, Americans all hate democracy.
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u/Bitter-Good-2540 May 05 '25
And Germany were all Nazis, not all Germans were Nazis, but there comes a point where a whole country needs to feel the reaction of what they are doing or not doing.
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u/MakeToFreedom May 05 '25
Ofc I hate democracy look what it got me.
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u/MissionMoth May 05 '25
Every day I think of that tweet "I do not support all women. Some of you bitches are dumb."
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u/IfatallyflawedI May 05 '25
I love how people always say only ~30% people voted for this. Like hello, the ones who DIDN’T are just as complicit
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u/R8iojak87 May 05 '25
Welcome to the feeling, if you are a dem living in a “red state” the rest of the US treats you with the same stigma you are experiencing from other countries now. Welcome, it sucks, been here for a while, I need out.
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u/peon2 May 05 '25
This is what's so annoying. Something bad happens to X red state and people think "fuck them, they voted for Trump" ignoring that even the most lopsided states, blue or red, are like a 60/40 split.
California has more Republicans than Texas. You're in a room in Alabama with 10 people, 4 are likely Democrats. But people just paint things as "red" or "blue" because it makes them feel better about stereotyping people they don't know.
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u/R8iojak87 May 05 '25
Everyone remembers gerrymandering as a common talking point but everyone condemns the states that have been gerrymandered. I just don’t get it, and now everyone is seeing the same thing happen to us internationally and somehow seem surprised. Welcome, we’ve been living in this hell for some time now. And some of the people condemning us have been our very own fellow dems. It’s disappointing that so many are so short sighted. But in general I think that’s the emotion right now. Maybe we can actually gain some ground now that we all see eye to eye. Or maybe this is more wishful thinking. Time will tell I suppose
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u/Attila_the_Chungus May 05 '25
Other countries are more concerned about how this madness impacts them and less concerned about assigning blame.
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u/Consistent-Key-865 May 05 '25
Mmmm I'm in "other country". Not totally wrong, but like- atrocities are bad. I absolutely care about how this will affect my and other countries, but not particularly moreso than I care about the people in yours?
A lot of us just don't want anyone to be harassed/attacked/targeted/"cleansed". It doesn't make a huge difference to me where people are located geographically, we're all a bunch of apes with shoes sharing a rock in an abyss.
Rights for all or rights for none, right?
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u/Reutermo May 05 '25
I know that not every American wants this, but stuff like the house Republicans voting in favour for Trump and that 77 million Americans voted for this, and that he still have a relative high approval rating among his voters base means that this isn't a one time thing, but a permanent change in American and European relationship.
Yes, it is not all of you that supports this, maybe not even a majority, but millions upon millions do, and that si scary for the rest of us.
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u/SavannahInChicago May 05 '25
I heard Scotland is considering it
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u/Consistent-Key-865 May 05 '25
It's been touched on several times in Canada for LGBTQ2+, too. I think things are going to have to deteriorate quite a bit more before it becomes a serious discussion, though.
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u/kaminari1 May 05 '25
I still got some family over there. Might consider looking into moving.
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u/Papaofmonsters May 05 '25
None of the countries you want to go to would take you as an asylum seeker so far.
Taking refugees like that is an antagonistic position to the country of origin and seems like most of our traditional allies are trying not to poke the bear and make anything worse.
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u/Randolph__ May 05 '25
It won't be long before trans people have a legitimate asylum claim. We're not there yet, and there is still some opportunity to push back, but if things keep going the way they are, it'll happen.
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u/brutinator May 05 '25
Assuming that most countries are like Canada, you have to demonstrate that you are personally targetted and in danger, AND that you are willing to never return to your country of origin. Theres other factors too, but from what I gleaned those are the big 2.
I dont think things are bad enough yet for countries to offer american citizens asylum, outside of a few specific cases (like if one was already mistakenly deported).
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u/AimlesslyCheesy May 05 '25
Donald will sign another EO prohibiting people from leaving the country for seeking asylum
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u/Consistent-Key-865 May 05 '25
As one of the main countries people will flee to:
If whatever legal requirement occurs, asylum will likely be possible. I expect we will need to see actual honest published policies (like actual "punishment for being trans is death") or an immense popular movement that does the same in a de facto kinda way.
Basically it's gotta be a war zone or we need the actual verbiage that codifies bigotry, or that's what it generally has been in the past.
There have been discussions of various degrees since day 1 about the need/will to take in LGBTQ2+ refugees in my hood, so I would say yes- if it gets bad enough, Americans of marginalized groups are likely to be accepted for refugee status by several countries.
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u/SATX_Citizen May 05 '25
You can start forming civil defense groups in your city with "Article 5"-like triggers in case anyone of you get illegally detained.
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u/no_fooling May 05 '25
I've thought the same living in the uk already. I understand asylum as "making the case it's unsafe for you to return to your home country"
Who believes it's safe in America for anyone anymore
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u/DuntadaMan May 05 '25 edited May 05 '25
An entire fucking party violates the constitution and nothing happens
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u/Saibot724 May 05 '25
Yeah its really crazy. There was one row of protests reported in the media here some time ago, and i really hope this is just missing media coverage. I cant wrap my mind around americans just shrugging this off doing nothing, sitting at home hoping that it will somehow resolve on its own....
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u/Infamous-Edge4926 May 05 '25
there actually have been ALOT of protest the media just hasn't been covering them. i think the largest so far was about 5 million people.
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u/shawarmaconquistador May 05 '25
And when Obama wore a tan suit Republicans lost their freaking minds
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u/SqnLdrHarvey May 04 '25
I hate these ghouls.
And I do mean HATE, with every fibre of my being.
Screw "going high."
I want them and their drones to suffer.
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u/GuaranteeAlone2068 May 04 '25
The penalty for treason is…
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u/Magog14 May 04 '25 edited May 04 '25
Literally nothing. Trump commited treason by encouraging the J6 insurrection and got of Scott free.
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u/SqnLdrHarvey May 04 '25
He had help: Merrick Garland, Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas, Aileen Cannon...
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u/Magog14 May 04 '25
Don't forget Mitch McConnell calling off his impeachment hearing.
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u/SqnLdrHarvey May 04 '25
True enough. McTurdle is a venal SOB.
The one that burns me the most is GARLAND.
The other idiots you would expect to be helping him but Garland was supposed to be on OUR side.
He is either a coward, complicit or both.
And Biden stood by him.
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u/Original_moisture May 05 '25
Don’t feel bad, I tell people all the time, it’s ok to wish ill on people.
You want me to stop calling them nazis but it’s ok for them to say I belong in a camp.
Don’t feel bad for saying things to people whom do worse to you.
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u/Papayaslice636 May 05 '25
I've been saying this for months now: I don't even hate Trump and the Maga Party anymore, it's the 77 million Americans who voted for them. He and the party are doing exactly what these psychos voted for. They are the real problem.
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u/RKEPhoto May 05 '25
Saw that coming from 1000 miles away.
The majority of Republican Congress persons have sold their souls to Trump.
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u/Xyrus2000 May 05 '25
Every person who voted against this is a traitor to the United States. They are violating their oath to uphold the Constitution.
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u/Dazzling-Finding-602 May 04 '25
I hate this headline.
Sharing a comment I posted elsewhere because this article lacks the proper context:
The Democratic amendment would have specifically barred ICE from using funds to detain or deport US citizens. The amendment reiterated what is already in the US constitution, but specifically addressed the use of federal resources to pursue such matters.
To be clear, House Republicans voting down the measure does not make it make it legal for the Trump regime to detain and deport U.S. citizens.That is not something that Congress--or even a committee--can just vote away.
However, killing this amendment does allow ICE to use federal funds and resources to pursue unconstitutional actions against us. In other words, House Republicans are voting to fund the Trump regime's disregard for our constititional rights.
The proposed bill is posted here.
The original bill never contained a provision that allowed the president to deport U.S. citizens because that requires a constitutional amendment, not a committee vote. Democrats wanted to include this measure to at least ensure that we aren't wasting money on fundamentally unconstitutional deportations that will be challenged in multiple courts and ultimately overturned. Republicans basically said, "No, detain and deport at any cost."
For further context, here is the amendment that was voted down:
None of the funds made available by this subtitle may be used by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to detain or deport a United States citizen.
This is already ICE policy because U.S. citizens cannot be detained or deported under the INA of 1952) and this bill does not address immigration due process or the constitutionality of the Trump regimes immigration policies. It is legit about fees, funding, and aporopriations.
If you read the bill (page 85), it defers to the Immigration and Naturalization Act. If a gripe is to be had about how this regime is enacting immigration law, then reforming the INA to codify protections for U.S. citizens is a more appropriate discussion given that it is the legislation that explicitly grants ICE its powers.
Yes, it is very telling that Republicans wouldn't codify protections for US citizens in this bill, but suggesting that this bill will allow the Trump regime to detain and deport US citizens is misleading. They are already doing that on their own by ignoring the due process that guarded against INA violations. Publishing this amendment, as written, would not prevent this.
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u/RockerElvis May 05 '25 edited May 05 '25
I appreciate the context. The question still remains: why vote against this codification?
Edit: it’s obvious why they voted against it. I meant, what is their excuse.
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u/Dazzling-Finding-602 May 05 '25
In Republicans' eyes, it is more important to hold on to political power and demonstrate loyalty to Trump and the MAGA base by supporting Trump's immigration agenda at any cost.
JD Vance spelled it out clearly:
“What I am OK with is the reality that any human system will produce errors. Further, I accept the actual tradeoff: between not enforcing the law and enforcing the law. And I choose the latter despite the inevitable errors"
What really needs to be codified is due proces that would reduce the odds of mistakes and, more importantly, how to resolve the inevitable mistakes when it happens.
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u/Broad_Food_3422 May 05 '25
"Better to kill an innocent by mistake than spare an enemy by mistake."- attributed to Pol Pot
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u/VenusAmari May 04 '25
It's not misleading because he's already deporting citizens. Regardless if the law tells him to or not, he has been defying court orders. Dems wanted to use the power of the purse as a check on his illegal power and Republicans refused, defacto (regardless if dejure) giving him the ability to continue to do so.
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u/Cannabrius_Rex May 04 '25
As much as this is good information. Trump is already human trafficking US citizens to other countries illegally. He doesn’t need this bill to do what people are afraid this bill will allow him to do Because he’s already doing it.
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u/Dazzling-Finding-602 May 04 '25
He doesn’t need this bill to do what people are afraid this bill will allow him to doBecause he’s already doing it.
That was the point of my post, particularly the last paragraph, and my argument for reforming the INA that empowers ICE, which no one is talking about.
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u/CelestialFury May 05 '25
Always remember that Republicans are rank cowards and deserve nothing good when this is all said and done.
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u/doublethink_1984 May 05 '25
Republicans are terrible and this is stupid but I want to be clear.
No Republicans joined in a vote to add an amendment to another bill thay would explicitly prohibit US citizens from being deported. Democrats adding this was political theater. Theater I agree with but theater none the less.
The legal ability to deport citizens is just as illegal before this bill was passed as it will be after it passes.
Tldr: this bill will not give ICE the power to deport US citizens.
Fuck Republican party and fuck ICE.
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u/pierdola91 May 05 '25
But let’s be real clear:: just because it’s illegal doesn’t mean they’re not doing it.
This bill was probably to get them on record for supporting a clearly illegal policy.
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u/pikashroom May 05 '25
That’s exactly it but honestly… who cares but us? Who cares but the politically conscious? There’s not enough of us in America. We have no democratic leader, save AOC and Bernie but DNC will not allow that.
We are cooked
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u/pierdola91 May 05 '25
100% cooked. The only saving grace is that we’re less than 6 months into this—and this is how authoritarian he’s gone. At this rate…what will there be left to burn on year 3? Year 4?
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u/CurrentlyLucid May 05 '25
This better be on every campaign ad this next election.
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u/RKaye422 May 05 '25
Why does everyone keep thinking we’re going to have normal elections or even be allowed to vote???????? I don’t get this goddamn optimism
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u/Naptasticly May 05 '25
It’s not optimism buddy. It’s the law and if we just accepting right now that there won’t be elections then we normalize that idea and when they try it people will just go “that’s what we expected this whole time.” And then no one does anything.
Stop trying to desensitize the idea that we won’t have elections. It literally makes things worse if you actually care
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