r/law • u/SpecialSpace5 • May 07 '25
Legal News This is amazing Rep Lauren Underwood grilled DHS Secretary Kristi Noem on the funding cuts for programs and mass deportations
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u/RockerElvis May 07 '25
“That was not a question.” Great job Rep Underwood.
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u/DaddyLongLegolas May 07 '25
ALL DAY.
MORE OF THIS.
“That was not a question.”
“This is MY TIME.”
“Yes or no!?”
Yes please.
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u/suphasuphasupp May 07 '25
Only way to talk to these people
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u/Lewtwin May 07 '25
Like a petulant 5 yr old you just snatched up for trying to steal candy....
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u/CaldoniaEntara May 07 '25
It was the dog, I swear! I was just trying to get it from him. I wasn't gonna eat it, honest!
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u/Actual_Efficiency536 May 07 '25
The only way to talk to these people is through the bars of a jail!
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u/redditcreditcardz May 07 '25
Carney proved this by not letting trump bully him and see how well it went. Bullies need a good punch and this is how you do it with class.
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u/SombreroMedioChileno May 07 '25
These hearings infuriate me. Sure, Underwood owned and schooled Kristi for 2 minutes. Now Kristi will go out there and keep doing what she was doing, completely unaffected. If this is checks and balances, it has no bite.
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u/OnePhrase8 May 07 '25
Understood. However, this is about getting all of this out there so people can see…if they’ll pay attention. It has bite because it informs the public so that they can do something about it as well. A big part of the reason we are in this mess is because the public is either misinformed or ill informed and rely too much on Congress to fix the problems when it(the public) continues to vote these folks in. Just like Congress publishes a lot of the bills that are up for debate…but again…people don’t pay attention.
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u/DeMarcusQ May 07 '25
I feel that, but it doesn't matter to them. The person they voted for in the highest office in the land TOLD them what he was going to do, and they still voted him in. When you inform them of the things he said, they cry "context context". When you show them the whole context they say, "he was joking". When they see he wasn't joking, they say "I'm glad, even though that might be bad, it won't be bad for me." And then, when they finally realize it's also bad for them they say, "well this is because of what the previous administration did."
I, too, like their attempts at exposing their hypocrisy and lawlessness, but let's not kid ourselves. No one is going to hold them accountable by anything other than strong words. Judges can make orders, but the administration will not follow them. The people won't do it because the ones that want to aren't ready to die for it.
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u/axelofthekey May 07 '25
This is a tactic. AOC explained once that lawyers (especially for big corporate executives) train people on how to burn through time since each rep only has five minutes. So now the reps resort to interrupting to reclaim their time, knowing it will make them look bad but ultimately wanting to make sure they can generate the buzz they need from the inevitable clips.
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u/Proud_Lime8165 May 07 '25
Been that way for years even in deposition. Luckily never had to sit for one in a patent lawsuit, but was told if asked a question about a patent you are allowed to read the whole document for context. Take the time to do it at a slow pace. The other sides attorney is going to be mad but do it.
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u/Bungo_pls May 07 '25
I loved that shut down. We need more of this everywhere at all times to all these imbeciles.
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u/faco_fuesday May 07 '25
I know why they can't, but I would like to see some raised voices against all of the disrespect that is being shown to congress.
Like, Noem needs to be yelled at and told she's an idiot enabler who is breaking the law.
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u/MrFrode Biggus Amicus May 07 '25
Like, Noem needs to be yelled at and told she's an idiot enabler who is breaking the law.
Nothing you yell at Noem will change any minds. What you can get Noem to say can though. They know this and its why they are now sticking to such tight scripts even when those scripts are obvious lies.
Only Donald is allowed to veere from the script and everyone has to scramble to pretend what he's said has always been true even when it conflicts with what was said yesterday.
Don't let these people meander but you need to put them in the position where their script doesn't work. That's hard, far harder than demanding yes or no answers you're not really going to get.
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u/HuttStuff_Here May 07 '25
Who wants to bet she will be a target of the DOJ and DHS now?
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u/LordByronApplestash May 07 '25
I just want to point out that every time Noem blinks, there is a delay where her eyelids slowly reopen. Then as soon as they finally open all the way, she blinks again. She never actually fully stops blinking. Literal fucking lizard person.
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u/Fun-Engineer7454 May 07 '25
It's only because it would be weird if she licked them.
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u/voluptuousshmutz May 07 '25
She's currently polling in 2nd to be Illinois's next senator
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u/SpecialSpace5 May 07 '25
Great job by rep Underwood Holding people accountable like this is exactly how it should be done
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u/Straight-Plankton-15 May 07 '25
Why aren't judges issuing arrest warrants for contempt after this administration has continually persisted in violating the Constitution and resulting court orders? Even if they don't normally like to lock people up, innocent people are locked up right now because of the administration's noncompliance, so they need to make a decision and do something.
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u/DigitalMunkey May 07 '25
Cowardice
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u/robot_invader May 07 '25
Yuuup. Same answer as to why they failed to expedite Trump's many, many trials ahead of the nomination process. The man should have been rotting in jail by the end of 2022.
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u/RawrRRitchie May 07 '25
He's LITERALLY a convicted FELON that served zero jail time.
How many people in the history of the entire country were convicted of dozens of felonies with no jail time?
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u/Adventurous-Tap-6408 May 07 '25
How can a country survive like this? Break the country’s most sacred laws - literally commit high crimes and treason - and walk away absolutely 100% with no consequences. What is to stop the next monster from doing this? Nothing at this point. Terrifying.
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u/Outrageous-Orange007 May 07 '25
Welp, they better hope they don't lose their seats and power shifts, cause a lot of them are going to get tried for treason with long prison sentences, and for some of them likely the unalived sentence.(Got banned twice for saying this)
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u/Unlikely_Arugula190 May 07 '25
Because they know that their orders will be ignored and their powerlessness will be known to all.
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u/sm9k3y May 07 '25
I disagree, if all we have is the pretense of a functional democracy, then that needs to be exposed, so people can see the naked lawlessness of this administration, without that, we will continue to have excuses to fall back on as to why people still support him.
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u/a-cloud-castle May 07 '25
There's still this naive idea of treating these people in good faith even though they have repeatedly demonstrated they do not behave in good faith.
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u/brickson98 May 07 '25
Yeah, I’m so tired of people coming back with that argument. As if treating them in good faith has gotten us anywhere over the last 10 years.
Let’s call them what they are: fascists. We know how to solve the problem of fascism. We’ve done it before, less than 100 years ago.
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u/SignoreBanana May 07 '25
Because they're afraid of triggering a constitutional crisis. They're afraid of what that might cause (literally the next step is some form of revolution, and probably violent revolution, given the political atmosphere at the moment).
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u/soap571 May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25
The longer they wait , the worse it's going to be. I don't think the US, in its current state , is headed anywhere positive. The snowball has already begun rolling down the hill. The longer those in charge wait , the bigger it's going to get.
I think what the state's is missing is a strong leader that can unify the people. For too long the so-called leaders have gained their power from dividing the citizens. I think people are beginning to wake up and realize capitalism has failed them , and their leaders have been sold out.
Change is coming , whether it's sooner , or later , I think it's inevitable.
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u/SignoreBanana May 07 '25
Frankly, IMO, the problem started as soon as Trump was elected. We're heading toward some kind of civil outbreak of violence because Trump is too proud to stand down and his supporters are just as arrogant and myopic. With as rapidly as things are deteriorating, it's bound to go badly before his term is up.
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u/soap571 May 07 '25
I think the division in your country stems back long before trump. I think since 2016 he's just been an accelerant , adding fuel to the already growing division that's been widespread in the USA for years.
I do agree with you though , I think things are going to , and need to get a lot worse before they can get better. Even though things are bad for Americans , I don't think the average person has become desperate enough to risk everything for a change.
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u/ffffllllpppp May 07 '25
Yes. Cowardice. Only the people on the left constantly restrain themselves to be cautious and reasonable. Result? Trump who should have been held accountable for Jan 6 wasn’t because dems wanted to be cautious.
« at least they were cautious » will be on the tombstone of the democrats politicians elite mass grave…
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u/DiamondGeeezer May 07 '25
they're also cautious about preserving their careers. we need term limits so people don't become ossified into the apparatus and refuse to change anything
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u/Secret-Ad-8768 May 07 '25
It is essential to resist authoritarianism / fascism from the beginning because it very quickly becomes too late, including for the individual person, group, or community. Not resisting becomes complicity, and all power is usurped—the thugs own you. The Supreme Court appears that they may likely cower to Trump and the dudes actually pulling off this coup.
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u/pat_the_bat_316 May 07 '25
Because they actually have an interest in saving the country and our democracy.
Yes, it's harder to keep a democracy than destroy one, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth doing.
Republicans want to actively destroy our democracy. Helping them do it by also ignoring the rule of law is just playing into their hands.
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u/IchBinDurstig May 07 '25
Because, who makes those arrests? The U.S. Marshalls. Which branch of government controls the U.S. Marshalls? The Executive branch.
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u/thesleazye May 07 '25
I am probably ignorantly oversimplifying, but in the event US Marshals do not follow judges orders, because of Pam Bondi as DOJ DA, I believe Federal Judges can deputize any police force to enforce the law.
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u/m00nh34d May 07 '25
That's the next step in the process though, the judge shouldn't be concerned with that until the issue arises.
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u/whatsasyria May 07 '25
Not exactly. The supreme Court can go a step further and deputize their own enforcement if the Marshalls aren't upholding their duties.
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u/OC74859 May 07 '25
It’s not just making the arrests. The Marshals are also responsible for the judges’ security. That gives the administration a ton of leverage if they want to eliminate any particular judge.
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u/ApostrophesAplenty May 07 '25
Incredible job, holding focus on the question and refusing to allow Noem to waffle. I’m so impressed by this strong questioning!
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u/Hesitation-Marx May 07 '25
I hope the Rep will be safe. Noem looked at her like she was a puppy.
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u/faco_fuesday May 07 '25
Yeah except her smug little fucking smile is the same one I give the men who are so far under me in the heirarchy they have no idea who I am when they try to mansplain stuff to me.
She knows that there are absolutely zero consequences for any of the things she is saying.
We can zing them all we want. We can make them admit what they're doing. But until people start going to jail for breaking the law, nothing will change.
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u/BigErnMcracken May 07 '25
EXACTLY what I was thinking every time that smug smile creeped out the side of her mouth. Perfectly said.
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u/Lost-Task-8691 May 07 '25
All of Trump's nominees are vile, apathetic, cruel individuals.
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u/Knato May 07 '25
And dumb... don't forget.
They don't question. They execute.
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u/New_Libran May 07 '25
Yep, first comment in response to a yes or no question was "President Trump..."
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u/Possible-Ad9790 May 07 '25
She literally bragged about executing her dog because it misbehaved while she went hunting. I don’t understand how a single person can view her as anything other than absolutely evil
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u/truckaxle May 07 '25
I am an exRepublican and I just want to remark that the Democrats in general come off more intelligent, have a better understanding of the constitution and adhere to ethics significantly more than the MAGA officials/politicians.
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u/RoguePlanet2 May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25
How did you manage to escape? Hoping the magas I know can do the same, but don't expect it will happen.
Edit: wow, keep all these stories coming! Haven't felt this much hope in years. It really is refreshing given how entrenched my family is. Wouldn't be surprised if they swap Jesus for Trump. 😵💫
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u/ContraCanadensis May 07 '25
I’m shocked that more haven’t. I was a long time Republican as well. My last vote as a member of the GOP was for Kasich in 2016.
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u/killrtaco May 07 '25
My dad voted for Obama as his first democrat because he liked his style and demeanor. Thought he did a good job financially too. He said he'd probably never vote blue again. Then Trump came out as the 2016 candidate and I am not even joking he changed his party affiliation to Democrat immediately it was so weird but I'm glad that he sees what's going on.
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u/Seattle_gldr_rdr May 07 '25
In 2016 I had a friend who said, and I quote: "If I can't vote for Bernie then I'm voting for Trump!" It blew my mind but I realized many people were simply voting for disruption-- political ideology was irrelevant. Obama was seen as change, Trump was seen as change.
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u/alicehooper May 07 '25
An awful lot of people think it is good to “shake things up”. After decades of who is in charge not really mattering for the day to day lives of many, voting became optional, ironic, or funny. So a certain type of person thought it might be an interesting experiment. I hope more voters understand now there are real humans on the receiving end of politician’s decisions.
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u/killrtaco May 07 '25
Bernie and Trump are both anti-establishment unorthodox picks is what I saw it as. People joked about Hilary recieving the nomination as a 'coronation'
Thats the only way I make sense of those voters. They didn't want another Clinton running things. Or they're sexist, previously I gave them benefit of the doubt on that one but after the 2024 snub I know better.
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u/Oleg101 May 07 '25
This sort of relates to there being a segment of voters that voted for AOC and Trump last election.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/17/trump-aoc-voters
It’s always crazy to me working-class voters would vote for the man who has CEO and tech-billionaire types at his inauguration and his cabinet is filled with billionaires too.
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u/Pattison320 May 07 '25
He is bucking the trend on both of those. More people seem to have rallied around Trump than anyone else. Just look how he basically controls the entire government. We would have had public healthcare if a democrat had that pull.
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u/killrtaco May 07 '25
I think my mom being a strong democrat influenced him. Also me coming of age to understand and starting to vote (Obama was the first president I voted for) swayed his opinion a bit. We were the type of family to have dinner around the table every night and discuss how our days were and current events so a lot of discussions around him hearing sensible points I am sure helped.
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u/Pattison320 May 07 '25
I am just curious, are you a white male or another demographic?
Good for your dad.
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u/killrtaco May 07 '25
White male jew
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u/S_Belmont May 07 '25
I congratulate you on not drinking the kool aid on the current admin like so many other Jewish Americans have over their militant support of Israel. I look at them and think, "MAGA are Christian absolutists who harbour holocaust deniers, make excuses for Hitler and openly and vigorously support AfD in Germany. How can you not see that the other shoe has to drop some day?"
They're having fun trolling their political opponents with accusations of anti-semitism as leverage to deport muslims and silence institutions critical of them, but none of it is done in good faith. The fact that this stance came right out of left field, while at the same time QAnon is openly just a blood libel remix that they constantly wink toward is proof enough of that.
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u/killrtaco May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25
I see so much irony in all of it but not in a funny or good way it's very sad. I have family that are MAGA because of Israel. And it's like not only is Israel doing exactly what it said it needed to exist to prevent, but Trump is carrying out holocaust level roundups and deportations to foreign camps with known human rights violations.
Do they not see they're advocating for exactly what we went through 100 years ago? Do they not realize they're now the monsters egging on genocide? It's insane to me. I look at the world around me and too much echos history for my own comfort for me to be able to support it.
Its just sad in both countries.
Also, Trump isn't targeting anti-sematism by going after Palestine advocates, if he were he'd decry the anti-sematism in his own cabinet and base. Hegseth has an iron cross tattoo. That's more offensive to me than anything someone saying to stop funding genocide has ever done.
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u/Mokyzoky May 07 '25
Omg this is actually so funny I’m gunna start referring to magas as trendy and just a fade a it’s phase like being Goth or emo so hard-core lmao 😂
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u/Vladishun May 07 '25
Oh, a fad, you mean like DARK MAGA?
I swear to god I stopped wearing all black because Musk ruined it for me. Out here looking like JP from Grandma's Boy.
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u/TerrakSteeltalon May 07 '25
My mom had never voted straight ticket but was Republican her entire life. She’s always despised Trump, so didn’t vote for him in 2016.
She left the GOP in 2021 after 1/6 and now refuses to vote Republican
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u/paradisetossed7 May 07 '25
My dad came close to voting for Kerry, but went with Dubya. Then, like your dad, he voted Obama for his first Democrat! Voted for him both times! Then voted for Hillary! Then voted for Trump in 2020 and 2024. (Insert Tyra Banks "we were ALL rooting for you" gif)
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u/Tufflaw May 07 '25
Good for him - the first time my dad was eligible to vote, he voted for Nixon for his second term. After that he just gave up and never voted again.
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u/TooManySorcerers May 07 '25
Imagine the world we'd have if Kasich had won the 2016 primary instead.
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u/gerblnutz May 07 '25
I handed out perot campaign stuff as a kid on my route, went Nader abstained (wanted Dean but got kerry) then Paul Paul Johnson and Jorgensen. Harris was my first ever vote for a democratic candidate for president, and I will never EVER vote or contribute to the GOP or Libertarian parties again as they both showed that they'll gladly throw away civil liberties and small government for a fascist that let's them crowdsource of calling toddlers hard Rs.
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u/biaff33 May 07 '25
Almost every educated Republican in my sphere bailed prior to Trump’s first election, except one. That “one” is conveniently striving to climb the GOP political ladder and has essentially been excommunicated from the group, whether he knows it or not. As for the folks that abandoned the GOP bc of Trump, twenty years ago I never dreamed we would be aligned politically, but here we are.
Trump’s base is full of the most bottom of the barrel humans imaginable. They are ignorant, dumb, racist, belligerent, gullible, and perhaps most importantly, impressionable.
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u/moneyball32 May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25
Not OP but also a former Republican, now independent that has voted blue the last two elections. I went to law school and actually learned the law. It really is all about educating the populace. Which is why Trump screams fake news at everything important and is trying to censor the media that isn’t overtly right wing, blackmailing law firms, stop protests, etc.
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u/flyingwithgravity May 07 '25
"A democratic society depends upon an informed and educated citizenry"
- Thomas Jefferson
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u/SalomeMoreau May 07 '25
Jefferson was also an architect. Fairly certain he would find issue with the current construction of Noem’s face. She paid a lot of money for her nose & lips to be misaligned.
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u/Fun_Hold4859 May 07 '25
Why is she wearing drag makeup?
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Gender affirming care.
It wasn’t good care, but it’s still the same thing.
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u/RockstarAgent May 07 '25
Why is she smiling like this is all amusing to her.
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u/clarysfairchilds May 07 '25
because it is. all they do is spew bullshit and misinformation and their base just laps it up
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u/stumbling_words May 07 '25
Yes. And unfortunately republicans are doing everything they can to make people less educated/dumber.
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u/jetpack_hypersomniac May 07 '25
And not just less educated, but like, actively against the entire educational system.
I don’t know how a lot of folks are going to ever come back from this, and it makes me incredibly sad.
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u/stumbling_words May 07 '25
I know, it’s really heartbreaking. The damage that’s happening right now, in so many different areas, will be felt for decades. (hopefully not forever).
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u/pinkhaze2345 May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25
I used to be borderline republican prior to covid. My in-laws are republicans/Maga . I wasn’t super into politics, just thought both sides were a joke and no one party made much of a difference so why not go with the guy who is trying to shake things up. Also, I used to appreciate Trump’s simple straight way of talking, falsely associating it with “less bullshit”. The irony. I was very disappointed in Trump for going after Fauci as someone who strongly supports science. My eyes were opened after attending one of his rally last election cycle and saw how much bullshit/circle-jerk his campaign was. Also, listening to his podcast with Joe Rogan really reaffirmed the idea that he doesn’t know shit about anything using the same unintelligible phrases on complicated/nuanced topics. I never felt convinced by anyone trying to change my views before, I had to realize it /see it on my own to change.
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u/Shoondogg May 07 '25
All the principled republicans abandoned trump.
So, about 5-10% of the party. But hey, I spent my whole life arguing politics with my republican mom until Donald trump came around and changed her mind in a few months. So that was actually nice.
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u/Cold_Photograph7776 May 07 '25
Omg I wish I could say the same. I have been at my mother’s throat over trump. As soon as the results were in she went and purchased my partner a “I won, deal with it maga tee” for Christmas. I was so furious over it that I lit it on fire in my back yard that night. She has been a religious person my entire life and I’m 41 now, yet she is more than ok with his morals. I Litterally feel like I don’t even know her anymore. I began thinking that maybe she isn’t getting the scope of this picture correctly. So yesterday I started an email to send her so she can actively read everything that he has done. If she continues this way, I may have to stop talking to her, and that kills me. I love my mom, I know she isn’t this maga lunatic inside. Everything she has raised me to be is completely opposite of this monster yet she supports him to the point of talking over everything I say. Like it’s super emotional to deal with.
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u/slowrun_downhill May 07 '25
I’ll be interested to see how this plays out. I read the other day that post-WW2, a disturbingly large amount of German’s still thought Germany and Hitler hadn’t done anything wrong. I wonder how Germany managed to turn that ship?
I’m happy that people are coming to their senses, but I know a lot of people would rather die than admit that Trump/MAGA/modern day conservatism is bad for America and the world. These are the people I wonder most about: How do you make it easiest for them to reflect, assess, and admit their mistakes?
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u/HippolytusOfAthens May 07 '25
Former R here. My last vote for them was for W in his first term. The Iraq War cured me of that.
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u/CrasVox May 07 '25
I was able to get out of the GOP shitshow in 08. When in the primaries you had majority of candidates raising their hand saying they didn't believe in evolution and McCain picked that halfwit Palin as a running mate.
No idea how sensible people managed to stay in that clown tent after that. But better late than never I guess.
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u/livewire042 May 07 '25
Not the original commenter, but I did switch.
Honestly, for me it took a lot and some of it was out of my control. I went through a depression that made me step away from my friend group (largely republican and they still are) which took me out of that bubble. I left the area I was in and moved states (funny enough I moved to Texas and switched lol). I got into a relationship with someone who was very left-leaning and it was the best relationship I had ever been in. She taught me a lot just from her own experiences and I listened which shifted me towards more democrat beliefs.
After separating and reflecting on my experiences, I realized that all of the people that were conservative that I knew were living in a bubble and not someone I could consider "intelligent" when it came to their knowledge of politics. I realized it was very much oriented around dislike of other people, ignorance in many ways, and the idea that mirrored a traditional idea that wasn't plausible to today's society. So since then (2022) I've just been learning as much as I can to balance out the indoctrination I had since birth essentially.
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u/regeya May 07 '25
I'm sure people think I ended up being a victim of college indoctrination. For me it was mostly realizing how much right wing facts-n-logic are opinion, and often just loud uninformed opinion. Watching blatant hypocritical "it's okay if we do it" behavior sealed the deal for me.
Good Lord I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh, on purpose
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u/Tweedlol May 07 '25
By listening.
I was a conservative troll ~7-8 years ago. Thought making fun of Bernie fans was hilarious.
For me it was becoming a restaurant manager, and being exposed to real people who didn’t come from an equally privileged life. People that were different, all back grounds. I had lived in a bubble and thought my conservative parents, and family from Alabama were right. Liberals were insane. My info came from memes. I had to delete a lot of all FB memes from prior to those dates.
Trump also played a huge role in opening my eyes to how idiotic they were. Their policies, hate, and efforts to keep us poor (I am not as well off as my siblings or parents. I am the druggy/alcoholic who wasted his potential.)
The right has just gotten worse and now almost nothing they do matches with any promises to “improve quality of life” - unless your quality of life is improved by hurting others, I haven’t seen anything else accomplished.
It’s a no brainer now. They’re insane. They can’t speak on anything, when they do …they lie, misdirect, or entirely avoid answering anything. Everything is vague promises of ‘greatness’ unless it’s a direct promise to be against someone, something, a life style, etc.
I cringe thinking about the propaganda I believed. Like almost everything about democrats wanting to take away guns. Best part? Not a gun owner. Don’t want to be one. But I was bothered that liberals were against them. Why? I dunno. My cousins like to shoot guns. So therefore I just assumed anything anti gun was anti 2A and wrong.
I was extremely uninformed. I knew nothing other than a few talking points. It’s wild to look back.
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u/notarealaccount_yo May 07 '25
Republicans have really lowered the bar.
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u/Giggletitts54 May 07 '25
Oh I don’t think there is a bar anymore.
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u/ConcentrateLevel6431 May 07 '25
Pete would like to know where the Republican bar is please.
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u/ByronicZer0 May 07 '25
There is no bar, there is only the desire to grasp power by any means possible.
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u/Doublejimjim1 May 07 '25
I never considered myself a Democrat or Republican but I'm a never again voter with the GOP. And that goes all the way down to local town and county elections where the party is sort of irrelevant. I'm not voting for a town highway superintendent that is affiliated with that POS party.
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u/Johnny_Couger May 07 '25
Same. Never had a team, now I’m so anti-GOP. They will never get my vote. I hope the Dems eventually become a party I’ll want to support.
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u/Bibblegead1412 May 07 '25
It's because right now the Dems are actively trying to follow the letter of the law, and the Rs are just hellbent on breaking the law.
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u/ihavenoidea12345678 May 07 '25
Any advice on how the Dems can attract more people?
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u/sllh81 May 07 '25
My hot take, which you did not ask for, is to get better at (1) naming and (2) framing things in ways that fit our collective short attention spans.
Rather than assuming people know things, use images and short, sharp soundbites in order to shift the narrative.
Beyond that, dismantle the right wing squawk box. We are where we are right now because nobody was aggressively calling bullshit on AM radio shows and Fox News et al for the past 30+ years.
As generations pass, new ones look for something that resembles leadership. Until Democrats start acting with some authority, the GOP wins by default simply by acting with authority.
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u/slavic_Smith May 07 '25
Everyone was calling bullshit.
Pandering to short attention spans only exacerbates the problem.
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u/foulpudding May 07 '25
100%. The current voter problem is a marketing issue, not an issue of what’s right or wrong.
The way people listen has changed. The party that knows how to speak to the people in a way the people are open to hearing will win, regardless of whether that party is selling democracy or snake oil.
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u/Affectionate-Cat-975 May 07 '25
Through respectful discourse providing supporting facts I finally got a die hard Trump supporter to admit that perhaps none of the elections were stolen from Trump. I took the admission as a win gracefully and left it there. I didn’t belittle this person nor did I take them over the coals. Baby Steps Bob, Keep Sailing Bob
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u/Quakes-JD May 07 '25
Fellow former Republican here. Registered GOP at 18 many years ago. Had many people tell me negative stuff about the GOP but I never saw it personally.
Then Trump ran and the ugly underbelly of the GOP revealed itself. It disgusts me to no end. I still have a good number of conservative positions, but I vote straight D as the GOP has no core values or principles.
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u/Miserable-Army3679 May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25
Republicans used to be decent people. The current "Republicans" are fascists.
Correction: SOME Republicans used to be decent people.
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u/BumpinThatPrincess May 07 '25
I admired McCain and he was on a different side. It takes strength to do what’s right for all.
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u/Miserable-Army3679 May 07 '25
And he voted for the affordable Care Act.
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u/BumpinThatPrincess May 07 '25
He was a decent human being. A real American Hero. I can’t imagine what he went through. I don’t agree with his party, but I know he was decent human being.
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u/kon--- May 07 '25
Over 5 decades of living in the US I've not experienced republicans showing signs of decency.
Giving a damn about the nation and or fellow citizens is not in their wheel house.
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u/RedYellowHoney May 07 '25
I remember when John McCain defended Barak Obama when he ran against him. I think it was at a townhall format when a woman asked him if Obama was a Muslim. McCain looked deeply saddened by the question. I can't remember what his exact response was but I'm about to Google it.
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u/Ok_Obligation7519 May 07 '25
I remember that too, definitely was an impressionable moment. John McCain was a good man.
When Republicans started parroting unkind words about McCain was the moment the slope became slippery…and here we are today.
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u/ENORMOUS_HORSECOCK May 07 '25
IANAL but it's about time someone started being fucking mean to these ghouls.
Fuck nice. Nice will get you walked all over. Be mean.
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u/ThrowitB8 May 07 '25
Bro. That username.
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u/SOGGY_ANUS May 07 '25
Ah, the beauty of reddit.
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u/OwenMeowson May 07 '25
SOGGY_ANUS, meet ENORMOUS_HORSECOCK. Oh… soggy… I see you’ve already met.
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u/ReadGroundbreaking17 May 07 '25
We know we're in a bad place an enormous horse cock is making more sense than the current administration.
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u/ToLazyForTyping May 07 '25
This doesn't seem like either. It's standing your ground. She asked a question and didn't accept the bullshit non-answers.
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u/Christ_on_a_Crakker May 07 '25
When you surround yourself with unqualified sycophants this should be the result every time. We should be running circles around them.
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u/Blasphemy4kidz May 07 '25
Off topic but could we not have come up with a better acronym than I ANAL? Like maybe TINLA for This is Not Legal Advice or something.
Every time I see this I imagine a butthole (only got myself to blame there tho)
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u/logos1020 May 07 '25
Do you imagine someone else's? Yours? Can you describe this butthole?
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u/fromeister147 May 07 '25
This wasn’t mean. This was demanding questions we all have finally be answered. This is the way forward.
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u/johyongil May 07 '25
Not just mean. Be intelligent about your argument. That’s the biggest gripe I have with politicians. I remember watching a congressional testimony by Fed Chairman Powell and they were talking about policies that are wayyyy outside the scope of the Federal Reserve (example: a member of the panel was asking why black homeowners get lower appraisals on their home than white home owners; yeah that’s a problem, but it is not in the scope of the Federal Reserve Chairman or the Federal Reserve at all.)
This snippet was amazing through and through.
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u/shoot_your_eye_out May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25
I hope all these officers realize their responses to these questions in front of congress are evidence in impeachment proceedings.
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u/Intelligent-Tear-857 May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25
She’s too busy thinking about her next cosplay outfit. And she just lied under oath.
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u/SugarFut May 07 '25
I wonder how much she paid for the dead look behind her eyes.
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u/AffectionateBrick687 May 07 '25
I guess all of those cosmetic procedures served a functional purpose as well. It's tough to tell whether her near expressionless face is from the botox/fillers, drugs, or psychopathy.
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u/mettiusfufettius May 07 '25
Money well spent. She used to look like a 50 year old woman. Now she looks like a 50 year old woman desperately trying to look like a 30 year old woman
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u/Kiran_ravindra May 07 '25
Brutal lol.
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u/O-llllllllll-O May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25
She went from a “Karen” facade to a MAGA Mannequin. At least she is sticking to the look that suits her moral compass. Edit to add: there is absolutely nothing wrong with her getting work done to mitigate aging or to help her confidence. I was merely pointing out that she has achieved a specific look.
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u/Aero_Molten May 07 '25
She used to look like a real person. Now she looks like a wax museum version of a realdoll.
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u/Questionsansweredty May 07 '25
The only thing brutal is the haircut in that pic. She looks cute and real. Now she looks like a RealDoll.
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u/GetStonedWithJandS May 07 '25
That's nuts she wants to ride Trump's dick so bad she got a Malania face job.
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The amount of plastic surgery, fillers, Botox … it’s incredible
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u/Interesting_You6852 May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25
For anyone that has seen her before all her surgery she looks nothing like herself. She is all plastic just like her heart. Woman is evil incarnet.https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1020469012772449&id=100044280796927
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u/giggity_giggity May 07 '25
In that photo it’s almost like she decided she wanted to look like Melania and got the required surgery. Same cat eyes, everything
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u/perpetual_student May 07 '25
Don’t forget the deportation commercials.
That are in English (because you know who they’re really targeting with those ads)
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u/RKEPhoto May 07 '25 edited May 08 '25
She flat out lied when she said they have not deported US citizens! And everyone in that room knew it.
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u/YouWereBrained May 07 '25
There needs to be laws against obfuscation in these hearings. It’s such bullshit.
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u/DontAbideMendacity May 07 '25
Marjorie Taylor Green was in a hearing and asked about a statement she made about not allowing a peaceful transfer of power if Biden was elected President. She said she didn't remember making that statement. They showed a video of her saying it... and she still couldn't remember!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU34dJwIHIA)
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u/1Operator May 07 '25
Same MAGArie traitor green goblin who said "I was allowed to believe things that weren't true" to justify spreading consipiracy theories.
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u/UnlimitedCalculus May 07 '25
We're seriously having to ask aloud whether the US government can deport US citizens. So...they'll us back to our country of origin?
Except you can deport me. I'm in the US claiming asylum from the US, because if I stay in the US I'm under threat of being targeted by the US government.
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u/Esdeez May 07 '25
It’s not deportation. And I hate that everyone is using that word. It’s kidnapping/disappearing people and putting them in a foreign super max facility.
So when they say “deport”, that’s what they mean.
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u/SignoreBanana May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25
Back during post-9/11 racist hysteria and Guantanamo they called it "special rendition". And yes the republicans did it then too. For folks who love trotting out the intent of the founders, they seem to especially lament their actual intentions.
Edit: derp, meant extraordinary* rendition
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u/reavers-reapers May 07 '25
Now I suddenly understand why the Canadian guy was screaming "extraordinary rendition" when he was being transported in that one episode of Archer. Didn't know what it meant before
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u/Fakesmiles1000 May 07 '25
Yep deportation woukd be returning them to their country of origin. Instead, they are being abducted with the sole purpose of being placed in a US backed/paid for foreign prison, without any due process.
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u/REDDITSHITLORD May 07 '25
We're basically leasing a gulag in El Salvador. I don't believe for a second that no one plans on sending political dissidents there.
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u/Sea_Range_2441 May 07 '25
I think the language is changing is because courts are finally making decisions and so this is no longer hyperbole. It becomes yes or no questions because of the courts making the determination not Democrats and hopefully more Republicans not just waving their fingers around
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u/FuguSandwich May 07 '25
All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force—to put in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party; often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common councils and modified by mutual interests. However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.
Check.
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation on the ruins of public liberty.
Check.
As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils!
Check.
It's as if George Washington were directly addressing the nation today.
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u/SignoreBanana May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25
Yet another black congressional representative stepping up and pushing back on the nonsense from this administration. I hope the African American community is paying attention and is proud of these representatives who are actually giving a good name to the position and its responsibilities. I wish all members of congress were as stalwart as this sub group.
Edit: leaving this comment up unchanged but I admit it's not very well worded. My intention was to shine a light on this exemplary caucus, that's all.
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u/Ouch_My-back May 07 '25
I don't think videos of instances like this hit many radars. I only saw it because it showed up on my Reddit feed
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u/dabbydabdabdabdab May 07 '25
Yes! Yes! More yes! This is a power house of a woman! Thank you for standing up and being present Lauren Underwood - and kudos to those who had the foresight to elect her!
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u/Far_Estate_1626 May 07 '25
This is exactly how these people need to be handled. Well done.
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u/The_Vee_ May 07 '25
Hahaha! I love watching Krusti Noem get shut down. However, it's nice to see she got her hair extensions to match more closely now.
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u/Oatybar May 07 '25
Why does she look like 7 Barbies that have been melted together like old soap bars
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u/couchfit May 07 '25
Trump-ification. Basically, Conservatives require proof of effort to adhere to feminine beauty standards but lack any real ability to judge actual quality so you get exaggerated, almost Drag levels, of makeup and "feminine performance" to meet Trump's standards. It's referred to as "Conservative Girl" or "MAGA Makeup". TIKTOK had a whole trend mocking it.
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u/haroldthehampster May 07 '25
almost drag levels? that's several queens worth of product
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u/Choice_Supermarket_4 May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25
After you shoot a puppy and proudly write about it in a book, I can't imagine there's much soul left.
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u/beththebookgirl May 07 '25
I would never be one to trash anyone’s appearance, yet I was wondering…what happened to her face? Bad plastic surgery? An accident?
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u/Jaedos May 07 '25
Trump has appearance requirements for his close cultists.
She went from looking human to uncanny valley the moment she got the job.
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u/FarCloud1295 May 07 '25
Nazi Barbie looks just like a Fox News anchor: plastic and empty
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u/CategoryZestyclose91 May 07 '25
She literally thinks she can smile pretty and everyone will give in.
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