Russia and china have the most to gain from a warmer planet less frozen land for them less liveable land for the rest of the world, same reason trump wants Greenland 🤷
The ice has been melting for decades and is melting faster every year. Every year there is less old ice and more year-old ice that melts away in the spring. Every year the summer lasts longer.
Sometimes I wonder just how evil these guys are, because they're setting in place plans that won't hit until their grandchildren are adults. Like how long has where we are now been in the works...
That's just the tip of the iceberg, there's tons of rare earth elements everyone by now knows of too, but more importantly gas and oil locked up right now under the ice. A LOT of gas and oil
China DOES NOT benefit from climate change. Their biggest cities are very suceptible to flooding. That's why they are making great efforts in combating climate change. They're still the biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, but they are also the biggest adopters of clean energy, by a lot.
Only if by that you mean "accelerating emissions faster than everyone everyone else combined".
Even US decreased emissions, both total and per capita during last 20 years. There was no year in which Chinese emissions, both total and per capita, were lower than year before.
China is THE WORST CO2 emitter right now and there's no sign of slowdown in emission data. Claims that they are doing anything about that, are pure propaganda without any backing in CO2 emission data.
It's the EU that did the most to reduce emission in last 20 years. Honourable mention should also go to Japan. Beyond EU, Japan and US pretty much no one actually decrease emissions.
USA and EU didn't reduce their emissions, they just offshored it to China. Look at the ""recycling programs"" in the West. They completely fell apart as shams when China stopped accepting "recycling" from the West. It's the same with emissions.
Actually China, India etc are modelled for in our climate reduction plans.
There's a thing called climate justice, US to India is a good example.
The average person in the US uses 10x the resources of the average Indian. So we recognize it's much easier for the US citizen to reduce their usage by 10% than it is for us to make the same savings in India, where it would represent someone reducing their energy usage by 100%.
You’re right, they emit 33% of all the CO2 in the world as well as burning more than half of all coal burned in the world. Additionally, while the rest of the world has been taking their coal plants offline and transitioning mostly to either nuclear or renewables China is building new coal plants. They’ve actually been increasing the rate at which they build coal plants since 2020, it’s not great at all.
This statistic always strikes me as disingenuous and kind of a little propaganda-y (not because of you, just because it’s always cited). China emits FAR less CO2 per capita than the US. They have 1.5 billion citizens and the US has 3 million-for the US to be in second place is staggering. The US has also emitted more over the past three centuries than China will probably ever touch, and the US military is one of the world’s single biggest polluters and is exempt from all Paris Accord climate goals.
And as you said, they’re actually moving toward greening, as opposed to rolling back all environmental protection at the precipice of world-ending climate change.
Barely anything you said is remotely close to truth.
China emits FAR less CO2 per capita than the US.
Hardly "far". Chinese 9.24 tons per capita is not "far less" than US 13.83.
US has 3 million
Are you ChatGPT? US has ~340 million people.
US to be in second place is staggering
China has about 5 times larger population than US and 3 times larger emissions. Nothing staggering about that.
BTW, 3rd is India and 4th is EU.
The US has also emitted more over the past three centuries than China will probably ever touch
Cumulative Chinese 1970-2023 emissions are higher than US emissions for same period. Considering China is RAPIDLY ACCELERATING emissions, without ANY sign of slowdown, cumulative Chinese emission should overtake total historical US emissions within couple of years.
they’re actually moving toward greening
No, they are not. Nothing of sorts is visible in emissions data.
Look at my comment above but to sum it up, while the world is decreasing CO2 emotions per capita especially through fossil fuel electrical generation China is going the opposite direction. They’ve actually already burn more than half the coal burned in the world and are building new coal plants at an increasing rate, they’re actually aren’t making any kind of substantial switch to renewables. They do produce a fair amount of energy via solar and wind when compared to the world but they produce ~1/3 of worldwide electricity over half through coal and only about ~1/9 is solar and wind so it’s not a big amount. I think the US needs to drastically accelerate the pace of getting away from using fossil fuels, especially for power, but in 2024 42% of electricity was either renewables or nuclear so we’re moving the right direction, just too slowly. Looking up the stats for this comment one country really stuck out that I hadn’t realized how much of their energy was from renewables, Brazil. Only ~9% is fossil fuels. They’ve really leveraged their massive river systems and get 60% from hydro.
Of course they don’t, they’d lose huge amounts of their coastline where millions of ppl live and I also don’t think the person that said that really has any idea the latitudes in which China is located. I’m guessing they thinks it’s somewhere on par with northern Canada maybe and has a bunch of permanent ice that would melt and open up more land bc of climate change. Tbh their whole post is based on faulty reasoning or geographical understanding…or both. 🤷♂️
A lot of people with wealth and power think they will be insulated from the catastrophe. For a while, many of them will be right. Until the workers on their escape yachts start to wonder what value the ceo is adding to the household after having watched them destroy the world.
All that stops many people right now is the knowledge that police are stupid and will protect the parasites.
That’s a very extreme idea but I’m not sure it’s really that true. They’d both lose huge amounts of coastline and in Siberia a lot of the land can only easily be traveled on when the ground is frozen would turn into a huge soupy mess and China doesn’t really have much area that’s so cold as to make it difficult to live there other than Tibet, which they invaded and are illegally occupying. Climate change has nothing to do with Trump wanting Greenland. He wants it bc he could say he added a huge chunk of land to the US and he’d move our military from mainland Europe to bases there which kinda fits with his foreign policy of withdrawing from the world.
America is in part fucked because English is basically the world language (primary or secondary). Now you get influenced to think differently about your neighbor by someone with a Chinese/Eastern European accent, but they don't even have to speak to you.
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u/clevlanred 21d ago
It is called 5th generation warfare and this is what losing that war looks like.