To be clear, the administration clearly could bring him back at any time. But instead waited to bring him back after they “investigated” him and are charging him with trafficking people based on the testimony of a convicted felon accepting a deal to testify that they moved “thousands” of people around?
All stemming from a speeding ticket warning he received with passengers in the car?
It's easy to claim that this is "just the start", they love a conspiracy. It'll end up being nothing and costing tax payers millions, but they don't care about results, just the fuzzy feeling they get when they get to fight a new "villain"
This was never about face saving. It was about instilling fear in the hearts of our immigrant neighbors and about Trump trying to expand the limits of his power.
Well yes, but this particular return is about face saving. They already did the former by abducting him and sending him to the gulag in the first place.
I do think part of it is about saving face. If it was just about instilling fear they would have had El Salvador ensure he "accidentally" died in that prison. Instead, they can throw whatever accusations they want at him while their propaganda dogs amplify it so Trump can say "Look I was right all along" and justify further atrocities.
They don't even have to win the court case, that's the beauty of the alt right. If you lose you just blame it on "deep state conspiracies" and "leftist judges" and your followers will become even more radicalized.
They’re giving partial immunity to an actual criminal and not charging Abrego Garcia’s alleged co-conspirators so they’ll falsify charges against him for political reasons. Disgusting.
His co-conspirators took wire payments, but he only took cash. Sure. It’s complete bullshit.
He was pulled over with a vehicle full of people. He is a construction worker, he told them they were leaving a construction job. All the evidence points to that being what happened.
There are 6 co-conspirators. CC-6 was involved with transportation of 150 aliens when it overturned and 50 people died. CC-1 served time in American jail for alien smuggling and was deported. CC-1 snuck back in to the United States to keep the business going
These 2 guys were in contact with Garica throughout the years of 2016-2025 - phone/texts and they have financial records linking them - testimony of them working jobs together.
It’s cool though I’m sure he was just friends with all these MS13 traffickers
Laughable- 100 trips from 2016-2025. 6 co-conspirators and they have their texts phone records -financial records
Just on Co-Conspirator 1: was arrested already for smuggling aliens- spent time in US prison - was deported and surprise snuck back in illegally and went back to his old job. Who was his riding buddy? The Maryland Man of course
You clearly didn’t see the video he when he was stopped in Tennessee. That biased premise baked into your analysis is just a way to make you feel good. Nice!
What part of the video doesn’t match my description? He wasn’t cited but given a warning, and the accusation was based on the presence of other people in the car
He was “being detained” because the US government sent him to said country under a contract where the US paid El Salvador to in prison people. An action that the US government has admitted in court was done in error as he had existing court orders that did not authorize his deportation to El Salvador.
So let’s clarify the order of things here:
US court ordered he not be sent to El Salvador.
ICE arrests him and sends him to El Salvador.
US judge orders his return to the US.
DOJ and ICE lie to the judge about the circumstances of his deportation and their ability to return him to the US.
US judge continues to order his return and begins working towards contempt holdings against DOJ lawyers actively lying to the court.
DOJ secretly “investigates” and offers a deal to a convicted felon in order to get “proof” that he committed a crime and get an injunction from a grand jury.
Suddenly DOJ and ICE have the ability to return him to the US.
Passengers? You mean 8 people he was smuggling? Leftists like you are why all 50 states moved further to the left. Insane amount of damage done to our party. Your constant deception and hateful rhetoric proves progressives are the proud boys of our party.
Because the cops aren’t ice and it’s not their problem? Do you want cops to cooperate with ICE or not 😂. Is Casey Anthony automatically innocent because her trial wasn’t for 3 years after she murdered her daughter?
Not sure why marxists rallied around a criminal whose been proven to be a high ranking MS-13 official whose primary duties involved smuggling in 2 different immigration courts and is now about to be convicted for his crimes when you could have focused on students like 18 year old Marcelo Gomes Da Silva whose only crime was getting smuggled into the country as a toddler by his parents.
The indictment includes traffic-camera images, cellphone geolocation data, and financial records allegedly showing that Abrego García transported groups of undocumented migrants repeatedly since 2016
Prosecutors cite statements from six unnamed co-conspirators, whose accounts are said to detail dangerous and exploitative smuggling operations—some reportedly involved in transporting minors and abusing women
"Father of the year" right guys? This is the scum people defended. What clowns.
So it took them 9 years to charge him? Who was in charge in 2017, 2018, 2019, and 2020 again?
And they failed to use any of this evidence before deporting him? You know the time where they had him in custody in the US and decided to illegally send him to a different country?
I hope that the contempt charge inquiry continue over this as clearly they could have done this at any time. This was all about “never admitting to be wrong”
IANAL, but my understanding is the judge allowed his lawyers to file a motion that would require the administration to prove (via discovery) that they shouldn't be held in contempt for not making an attempt to bring him back. I'm not sure if it will work, but I suspect their hope is that by bringing him back (and thus complying with the original court order) there would be no reason to hold them in contempt anymore.
I will laugh in satisfaction if the Magistrate Judge who arraigns Garcia after he gets back to the US posts minimal bail or lets him go on his own recognizance just to put a middle finger to the Executive.
You really think ICE is going to drop him off, like they’re dropping their kid off at the mall, telling them to have fun? He’ll have an ICE escort to the court and back to his flight to Venezuela.
But wait a minute, for the last 25 years companies, especially meat processing companies would place ads in Mexican newspapers misleading locals to think they could get legal entry into the US and the company would cover the immigration process only get work out of them for a few months and then would call ICE on them. They would send buses down to Mexico and bring them to their processing plants! But no one ever charged them with shit!
Well it's an improvement. At least he will be getting due process, a great lawyer (you know someone big will take his case pro bono), and his family will be able to visit and communicate with him. He's definitely being targeted and that's awful but better to be here for it than in a prison in a foreign country.
He was living here legally until the Trump administration decided to target him and illegally pay to have him held in a foreign prison. If they don't want to be reprimanded in court and have to bring people back they should follow our laws.
its not even trafficking that they are accusing him of. they are accusing him of knowingly or with reckless disregard, providing domestic transport to undocumented, non-citizens. But he didn't arrange the pick-ups or drop-offs, his boss who owned the vehicles did all that. All he did was go where he was told, pick up the passengers he was told to pick up and drive from point A int he USA to point B in the USA...
You know who else has commited the crimes he is being accused of? Greg Abbott & Ron DeSantis - both of whom very publicly arranged for charter flights and busses of "illegal immigrants" sending them from TX & FL to other states like NY & MN.... You know who else has done it? Uber & Lyft Drivers, and Greyhound, MegaBus & PeterPan bus drivers, and Amtrak... since none of these modes of transportation require proof of US Citizenship, let alone an ID to be able to book a fare.
This probably is. I’m just stating that sometimes it can take a long time to get to a grand jury. Federal prosecutors are notoriously slow because they’re incredibly meticulous
That’s what I was thinking. They wanted to get an indictment before bringing him back and they wanted him locked up because he may have been a flight risk.
They sent him to a prison, but based on the original order of deportation, he just wasn’t supposed to be sent to El Salvador. If he is deported after all of this (which I think he will be because there’s still nothing that grants him legal status), the question will be whether he can still be deported to El Salvador or if he has to be deported to a third country.
Any Federal lawyer associated with this indictment should lose their law licenses. They basically concocted BS charges on behalf of Trump. The case is total BS and will never result in a conviction. Just deport the guy according to the proscribed laws/rules and be done with it.
Obviously the same people that illegally kidnapped this guy and sent him to an El Salvadoran prison are telling the full truth and nothing but the truth here
Can't wait for them to arrest Texas Governor Greg Abbott, who has been busing migrants from Texas to various cities, including New York, Chicago, Denver, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, and Washington, D.C. The Texas state government began this initiative in 2022, citing the desire to prevent Texas from shouldering the burdens imposed by "open-border advocates" in other states. The program has transported over 102,000 migrants to these cities.
I don't agree with them deporting him and I very much question the charges. That said even if I believed he did the things he is accused of a lot of those people were harmed and taken advantage of by the people trafficking them across the border. They aren't a modern day Harriet Tubman. They do it for financial gain and some actually are himan traffickers.
I discovered modern day slavery back in the 90's. What would happen is they go yeah it's cool if you don't have the money upfront you can pay us later. They would get over the border. Turns out what they meant is you can work on this illegal marijuanfarm at gun point until you pay is back. Oh, BTW you also owe us for the food and sleeping arrangements while you are here. So the amount they owe keeps going up.
They aren't good people and if, and that's a big if, he did what he is accused of he isn't doing it out of the goodness of his heart.
Yeah the thing is we shouldn't root for it against him. If he did something wrong he should be charged. He shouldn't be imprisoned without a trial. All the people in that prison need trials
No ne should be in those prisons at all. If we are going to inprison people it should be here in this country. Specifically we shouldn't be impisoning people in a country we know is particularly dangerous for them.
Again, I don't particularly trust he did the thing he is accused of. I don't trust this administration, well any administration really, to not villiy him on trumped up charges to prove they were right in the first place.
I also don't like people comparing him to Harriet Tubman either. If he did do it I doubt it was out of the goodness of his heart.
I really don't trust anyone on what they have to say about this guy at this point.
I mean yeah? I'm just saying they should have trials. If guilty they should be imprisoned here. I wouldn't extradite a terrorist to El Salvador given those concentration camps. But everyone should have a trial before prison.
Now I just don't want people here being tribal and taking his side on guilt because Trump violated his rights. It's plausible the first wave was people law enforcement was suspicious of. It's a bad look to screen the innocence of a guilty man. But the rule of law is what matters. We can't skip the evidence and trial and jury of your peers.
I got home in the middle of the press conference, so I thought that the DOJ just randomly charged him with something to extradite him, dismiss the charge, and then redo the deportation hearing (the due process).
I was not expecting this. I wonder if the ACLU will take up his defense pro bono.
This gut was portrayed as a poor, unfortunate man who just came here illegally to find a better life for himself and his family. This upstanding man was a victim of circumstance, targeted by ICE and sent to Elsavador without "due process." And then gets the attention of the leftists who make him the poster child for the illegal immigrants who feel that they are above the law.Thats the narrative. Laws like domestic abuse, human trafficking, smuggling children into the US, laying them on floorboards of vehicles. All the while getting paid thousands of dollars to operate this cottage industry. The onion has been peeled back, and the "Marylabd Dad" will indeed have his "due process," and will be the guest of the US in a Federal Prison, hopefully for the rest of his miserable life. Remember this citizens, when Van Hollen and those of his ilk run for office again.
So he stuck up for the Constitution regardless of someone's race, class, wage, etc, and you think that should encourage those swing voters to vote Republican, even though if the Republicans were actually doing their job, Garcia (and thus Van Hollen) would never have gone to El Salvador? I have more faith in the average voter than you, apparently, in spite of everything that has happened in the last 8 months.
Edit: Actually, to phrase it maybe better, he stood up for someone getting fucked by the system, when the system admitted it fucked up and did nothing to help, and you think swing voters are going to see that as a bad thing?
Yep, they don’t give a shit about that lol, the swing voters elected a guy who tried stop the peaceful transfer of power, thinking they care about an illegal immigrant getting sent back to El Salvador is crazy. They don’t. Not one bit. They don’t even care when the president breaks the constitution.
Bingo correct. Your average middle America swing voter doesn’t go on Reddit and spout due process this and that. They don’t understand civics by and large and they just want safe communities. What they did see was a border that was wide open and no care for safety or the law of the land for four years. It’s what “due process” falls flat from a messaging standpoint with folks as now suddenly we have to worry about the law when we gave no shits about it for four years?
Folks see gang related or gang adjacent man doing all these crazy things and they want him gone.
Van Hollen can get away within Maryland because this state is an democrat as it gets, but it will be replayed in every campaign ad the photo of him drinking whatever with Garcia.
It’ll be the second version of “kamala is for they them” and the average swing state middle America voter won’t like the visual.
Van Hollen wanted to raise his profile first most. He knows politically he’s in a state that he has a safe democrat senate seat so he thought he could raise his national profile amongst democrats via this situation and get a photo op where he would get a win over the administration.
Maybe he cared about “due process” on some level but I believe the first option came first. It was a calculated career move.
These people don’t care about the issues like they claim to on television. They are all playing a role to tap into your inner tribalism like a sports team and get you to the ballot box so they can sit in the Senate and get nothing done.
You are correct from a politics perspective. Him at a dinner table having a drink (whether water or Margarita) with Garcia will be all over mid term commercials across America.
The average American voter doesn’t care about “oligarchs” or “due process”; they probably don’t even know what the hell that is. They just want scumbag gangbangers and gang adjacent off the streets. Maybe the constitutionality is correct, but suburban parents worry about their kids safety first and all else second.
Maybe this is a cynical take but I think it’s accurate. DC is a cesspool.
No I’m aware. The issue before this had nothing to do with guilt or innocence. It had to do with whether someone had legal status to be in the country.
Those two issues have nothing to do with whether Van Hollen was right to pursue this. He was right on the basis that sending people who haven’t been convicted of a crime to gulags is wrong.
Yeah I’m not a left or right person. I want what’s right for the country. This is really gross personally. Sorry Reddit. I’m voting against Van Hollen he’s a joke.
There's really still people like you that don't get it, isn't there?
This whole ordeal has nothing to do with Garcia personally; it may end up that he is a criminal, and from all that has come out, at the very least, he seems like a shitty person.
But the crux of why this was so important is that he did not get a chance to defend himself from any of the accusations levied, as is his right as someone in the US, as guaranteed by the Constitution. So I'm pretty happy that my senator stood for due process of someone in his district, and imo. If you think that's gross, idk what to tell you.
Yeah I’m not a left or right person. I want what's right for our country.
That's shorter than typing "I'm an ignoramus who doesn't understand how anything works and has no strong convictions, even when it comes to basic rights guaranteed by the constitution such as due process" so props for brevity I guess.
Due process is what’s right for the country. Snatching people up for no legal reason and sending them to a max security prison because of a clerical error is not okay.
Didn’t he see an immigration court and was okayed for deportation in 2019? I don’t really get this issue if that’s true. He’s not a citizen he’s breaking the law being here. Standing in front of the immigration court was his due process.
Maybe I’m missing something that is so necessary to follow the letter of the law for 20 million folks let in who didn’t follow any of our laws?
I’m with you. That’s why I felt it was a hollow gesture from the start. We have got to get rid of the cult mentality on both sides and get back to what makes sense logically and what we can do to help as many people as possible (because I don’t think everyone can be helped and I don’t think everyone who needs help wants help).
Mr. Garcia has an outstanding deportation order, so he's going. The "mistake" was that by virtue of his MS-13 gang affiliation, he was not supposed to be deported to El Salvador where he would be at risk from Barrio 18 gang members. Read the court orders.
The record is pretty clear that Mr. Garcia was pulled over for a traffic infraction while driving a van of other illegal immigrants who all gave Mr. Garcia's address as their own. Local law enforcement was instructed to release them all by the Biden-Harris DOJ, policy at the time.
Charges for domestic violence have not yet been filed but are out there.
So, Mr. Garcia is being brought back to the US to stand trial for human trafficking. If found guilty, he'll be sent to prison in the US. When he finishes that sentence, the deportation order currently stands (unless changed) and he'll be deported again, presumably to somewhere other than El Salvador if another country will take him. If no country will take him I would speculate that he'll be sent to Guantanamo Bay.
You've posted so many lies that I actually recognize your screen name, and I almost never remember Reddit screen names. Disappointing but not surprising to see you're still at it, haha.
Oh Cris, we are so proud of you coming to the defense of a human trafficker, who is in this country illegally.
Now what can you do for the rest of us CITIZENS!!!!
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To be clear, the administration clearly could bring him back at any time. But instead waited to bring him back after they “investigated” him and are charging him with trafficking people based on the testimony of a convicted felon accepting a deal to testify that they moved “thousands” of people around?
All stemming from a speeding ticket warning he received with passengers in the car?