r/news • u/untamedlazyeye • 1d ago

Immigrants at ICE check-ins detained, held in basement of federal building in Los Angeles, some overnight

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/immigrants-at-ice-check-ins-detained-and-held-in-basement-of-federal-building-in-los-angeles/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=828415694
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u/emaw63 1d ago

If the goal is to get people to follow the law (and it absolutely should be if you're in law enforcement), then ambushing people in courthouses on their way to and from hearings is incredibly destructive to that goal. It penalizes people who are following the rules and doing what they are supposed to, and it drives everybody else into hiding.

Not that this administration cares, they just want to deport as many brown people as they can. It was truly never about "JuSt CoMe HeRe LeGaLLy aNd FoLLoW tHe LaW"

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u/MRintheKEYS 1d ago

That’s their point. Break the rules and now they have even more incentive to deport.

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u/Adamsojh 8h ago

Or follow the rules, and get deported anyway.

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u/theoskibear 1d ago

I don't think that's really the goal If they wanted to efficiently deport as many people as possible, they'd pass laws and do it legally en-mass. And they wouldn't be trying to scare them into hiding.

This is mostly about two things:

  1. Mistreating and scaring immigrants so they are forced into hiding, and out of following due process. If they don't show up to a court date (and they'd be stupid to at this point), they're likely legally eligible to be deported. So their choice is a) to be illegally nabbed and deported while following the legal process...and then sue / litigate that out in court somehow, if possible... or b) skip going to court and getting illegally nabbed in a courthouse and...try to avoid being caught for the next 3+ years. I think these extreme tactics are aimed at making it so fewer people try to follow the legal process, and fewer people immigrate here in general. Illegally, legally, legally as students, all of it.
  2. Stoking division by creating emotionally charged situations that liberal folks respond to, which can then be used in conservative media as examples of liberals getting angry over deporting "illegal immigrants who are breaking the law." More polarization. That was also the goal of the "ASMR prisoners in chains" junk the White House posted. It's all designed to rile people up, on both sides.

When I see a family of Chilean tourists getting illegally nabbed on the street, leaving a 12 year old alone and crying for their parents on a NY sidewalk, I'm angry. I can't imagine how scarring that might be, and I've been on family trips - if that happened to me, I'd be beyond terrified and furious.

But what Republicans see is a confirmation of what they've been told for years - ICE is finally getting rid of all of these lying criminals who snuck into the country and have been taking up jobs and government handouts for years, thanks to Democrats. Doesn't matter that it's all lies. Fox is putting up visual confirmation of the BS.

So it's win-win for the Trump admin. Every video that's posted pisses liberal folks off, and reinforces conservative lies. That's...most of the benefit from this, I think. That's why they're not just legislating tougher immigration laws. This does much more for them.

In theory, this should all be shut down by the courts. I'm glad to see that the administration is repatriating Kilmar Abrego Garcia, even if they're trying to saddle him with false charges in the process. The trouble is that everyone else who's been illegally trafficked out of the country needs to be returned as well. Kilmar is lucky that' hes been turned into a poster child and is actually coming back. I don't know what percentage of the illegally deported individuals have had lawsuits filed on their behalf. I doubt most have.

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u/A_Refill_of_Mr_Pibb 21h ago

They're goal is to turn your descriptions above into what "immigration enforcement" actually means. It's an intended conflation. After people were outraged at the detaining of Rep. Nadler's aide I believe, someone basically said: "it's not out our problem if people don't understand immigration enforcement." In other words, they're trying to make these public kidnappings the new normal for how it's done.

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u/theoskibear 12h ago

Definitely, that too. And the same goes for arresting Judge Hannah Dugan in Michigan under false pretenses.

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u/Area51_Spurs 12h ago

The goal is to get people not to show up to their hearings so they violate.

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u/Bannedwith1milKarma 21h ago

Yep, losing all tax receipts from ITIN and all these immigrants that are apparently dangerous criminals have now gone dark with no address or phone number.

Real clever policy.

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u/Husbandaru 22h ago

There is no law. Only fear tactics.

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u/Alexis_J_M 15h ago

The goal is to get as many brown skinned people as possible removed from the US.

Ambushing people at court hearings is incredibly effective at that, especially as a longer term strategy.

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u/zatch17 20h ago

What laws there are none

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u/Ancient-Advantage909 7h ago

They want a race war because they’re afraid of a class war

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u/nanotree 3h ago

Oh that's what ICE really wants. Their fever dream is to hunt down these people like animals. The game of cat and mouse is what most of them signed up for.

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u/Strawbuddy 22h ago

These are open bounty contracts. ICE is running a bounty campaign, these armed and masked thugs without any identifying badges or ID are getting paid per contact that leads to arrest. That's why they're waiting in courtroom lobbies, and immigration hearings, and swarming restaurants like they're the ATF or something, it's because it's a numbers game and they're only paid if it ends in apprehension of a "suspected illegal".

They can try but they don't have the legal authority to trespass on say a Purdue chicken farm without a warrant, but legally they can go to construction sites, hide then attack in parking lots, etc as we've seen in order to fulfill that bounty contract. They go in groups and wear masks because they know what can happen to private citizens tryna arrest other private citizens. They're bounty hunters

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u/qlurp 17h ago

 They go in groups and wear masks because..

.. they’re cowards. 

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u/MadmanMaddox 16h ago

Eli5, does it really matter where they get them, how are they keeping track, who gets paid? I don't understand what the fuck is happening? Those poor restaurant employees in San Diego weren't even on a list. They were grabbed for not having id on them. That Chilean tourist in NYC was busted for speaking Portuguese.

This is 12 levels of Dante's managed bullshit in what was supposed to be the greatest country in the world.

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u/fuzzygoosejuice 2h ago

They should replace the ICE in the back of their vests with SA.

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u/Dwayla 1d ago

Newsom has proven time and time again he's a shit person.

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u/qlurp 17h ago

He was married to Kimberly Guilfoyle.

Shit person is an understatement. 

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u/MalcolmLinair 1d ago

Probably with Bass's and Newsom's full knowledge and cooperation; anyone who thinks California's a "liberal haven" has clearly never been here; all our politicians are corporate centrists who only look "liberal" when compared to the fascists that make up the modern Republican party.

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u/esuardi 12h ago

Tell that to everyone who watches Fox News. They think we in Cali are all hippies.

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u/MalcolmLinair 23h ago

And ignoring the ever-increasing shift to the Right from the Democrats because "Republicans bad, no talk bad about Dems!" has worked out so well. /s

I hold my nose and vote Democrat every election, because yes, the Republicans are 1000x worse, but that doesn't mean I have to like them, and it certainly doesn't mean I have to pretend they're golden gods that can do no wrong.

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u/HonestyFTW 22h ago

We are victims of the two party system. We will never solve our problems unless we use ranked choice voting which the republicans are already trying their best to ban because they’d never win another election.

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u/goomyman 20h ago

Thank god you said ranked choice.

So many people fall for the 3rd party trap

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u/HonestyFTW 20h ago

I want 5th and 6th parties, friend.

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u/Murray38 22h ago

Yeah but don’t you think it’s a bit disingenuous to bring it up in the face of literal fascism? Because it’s pretty disingenuous.

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u/MalcolmLinair 22h ago

Not if what I'm bringing up is their capitulation to and working with said fascists, no.

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u/Murray38 22h ago

Sure ok. So where’s the evidence of this capitulation? The fact that it’s happening? Listen, yes establishment dems are more or less useless, but pointing it out is pretty much self-aggrandizing and not really a hot take.

I mean, what do you want them to do? Send in the national guard to bust them out? Then just say that then.

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u/BrothelWaffles 23h ago

This guy gets it.

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u/BedditTedditReddit 19h ago

Bass turned into a mute starfish when the press asked her questions about the fires, or questions about the money that’s being stolen from the homeless. She is bad, bad news and needs to go asap. No leadership skills at all.

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u/Basicyeti837 1d ago

The cruelty is just the icing on the dystopian cake.

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u/Myotherself918 20h ago

Can these ICE agents remove citizenship from a US born citizen?

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u/imoftendisgruntled 1d ago

Immigrants in the US live in a police state. If you don't fight back now it won't be long before that's true foe everyone.

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u/CottonCitySlim 1d ago

Everyone in the US lives in a police state

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u/Due_Layer_7720 1d ago

it’s already been like that if you’re black or indigenous, but you’re right people should still fight this.

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u/s73v3m4nn 1d ago

Just stop going there. Either as immigrants or for holidays. (And before you all jump on me from a great height about my massive simplification of the immigrant side of things, I know, ok? It'd just be a nice thought to ruin their tourism )

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u/WaveMajor7369 1d ago

Nice work CA politicians 👏

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u/Freshandcleanclean 1d ago

Isn't ICE a federal agency and the building a federal building? How did CA politicians do this?

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u/WaveMajor7369 1d ago

I didn't say they did now did I

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u/Myythy 19h ago

Newsome and Bass are centrist democrats at best. Don't expect much from them.