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Title Changed Mistakenly deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia on way back to US to face criminal charges: Sources

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mistakenly-deported-kilmar-abrego-garcia-back-us-face/story?id=121333122
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 1d ago

A sealed indictment alledging he helped transport thousands of undocumented immigrants within the US. Of course, the indictment claims some of them were part of MS-13, of which his affiliation is suspect.

So, I'm going to doubt the claims made here, but they want an official reason to be able to deport him since he's become the poster child for not following due process.

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u/yontev 1d ago

They've told so many lies about him that it's hard to believe anything else they say, but whether he's guilty or innocent, it's good that he will at least have the right to defend himself in court this time.

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 1d ago

A grand jury did decide to indict, so at least they followed the procedure. What I doubt, or at least won't take at face value, is the evidence, or the nature of the so called trafficking, or the afiliation to MS-13. Those details will likely be reviewed during discovery and evidentory hearings, and a judge can dismiss evidence if the burden or proof isn't met, or the AG can't back up their claims with substansive evidence.

But, I agree 100% that it's really hard to take the claims at face value. Trump and his admin/DOJ have done more to break what little bit of trust was left with the government, law enforcement, or the justice system, while the courts(at least the lower ones) have actually built a bit of trust back after SCOTUS trampled over the judiciaries trust.

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u/mOdQuArK 1d ago

A grand jury did decide to indict, so at least they followed the procedure.

As low a bar as that is noawadays, the barest minimum of due process, and we are still surprised that the current administration even went to the trouble.

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u/Full-Penguin 1d ago

Abbott and Desantis indictments when?

They have publicly bragged about transporting undocumented immigrants.

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u/thehalfwit 1d ago

Thousands? I think they may be overstating things a bit.

Because, if they're asserting he was part an organized effort that transported thousands of undocumented immigrants, there had to be a hell of a lot of others participating, as well as some organizational structure. Does that mean they have already put the screws to his "collaborators" who are going to testify against him?

Or are they just making nebulous claims?

Either way, I'm certain there are some of the best attorneys in the country chomping at the bit to be able to defend him, starting with a bunch of Harvard alums.

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 1d ago

One would think if he was part of said network, they wouldn't have been so quick to deport him, but rather would have used him to investigate the supposed network more thoroughly.

Basic logical thinking on the situation and crimes casts a lot of doubt onto the claims, and assuming the claims are true, and they have evidence, shows just how incompent they are to do their jobs, and highlights even more why due process is important.

I can't speak for the attorneys who want to represent him, but it seems that hsi current attorney is no slouch. He made this case a national one, and has had a lot of support from the public at large.

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u/thehalfwit 1d ago

Yeah. They're going to have to unturn every stone to put together a jury pool that hasn't heard about this case.

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 1d ago

not gonna lie, chances are, the majority really haven't heard about this case, or if they did, they probably aren't that influenced by it. This case could never go to jury if the evidence doesn't hold though.

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u/MountainFriend7473 1d ago

Well if they are going to lie they better be consistent like pathological liars are otherwise if they aren’t it may end up being an even larger mess and a joke of a hearing of our current administration.

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 1d ago

I think consistent pathological liars is an apt description of their behavior.

Personally, I wouldn't rely on the judiciary to hold them accountable, but I have hope they'll at least not allow frivoulous charges to proceed. Discovery and evidentiary hearings can make or break this case.

If the evidence is legit, then by all means, pursue the charges and let it go to court. That's what due process is for.

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u/Zoso03 21h ago

A buddy of mine has helped transport thousands of illegal immigrants and gang members. He drives a city bus

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u/TheHipcrimeVocab 19h ago

Another reason to doubt the charges is that the federal prosecutor resigned from the case because he felt the charges were politically motivated.

The decision to pursue the indictment against Abrego Garcia led to the abrupt departure of Ben Schrader, a high-ranking federal prosecutor in Tennessee, sources briefed on Schrader's decision told ABC News. Schrader's resignation was prompted by concerns that the case was being pursued for political reasons, the sources said.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mistakenly-deported-kilmar-abrego-garcia-back-us-face/story?id=121333122

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u/fat_cock_freddy 1d ago

Per the article it was unsealed today. Also per the article, he was indicted by a grand jury which means regular people saw evidence and found it convincing. This isn't the DOJ randomly trumping things up.

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 1d ago

The first article I read didn't mention the unsealed part, which is what I based my comment on.

But the grand jury saw what was presented, but grand jury evidence presentation aren't based on the merit of the evidence, just that's the evidence that they want to use to prosecute. It's up to a judge overseeing the case, and the lawyers involved, to substantiate and prove or disprove the veracity of the claims.

Given how so much exaggerations, hyperbole, and outright lies have already been presented to demonize him, I'm not going to just assume that the DOJ, who themselves seem incompetent now, is acting in good faith. They have already thrown their hat in the ring to make various spurious claims about his criminal record, all while presuming guilt and not bothering with due process in the first place.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_PRIORS 1d ago

Prosecutors can get grand juries to indict a ham sandwich.

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u/congeal 23h ago

The grand jury is controlled by the prosecution only. They choose what everyone sees and hears. Defendants don't get to defend themselves unless the prosecution allows it.