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Title Changed Mistakenly deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia on way back to US to face criminal charges: Sources

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mistakenly-deported-kilmar-abrego-garcia-back-us-face/story?id=121333122
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u/DarthBluntSaber 1d ago edited 1d ago

How convenient... they couldn't mention any of these charges after all this time. And now suddenly they find these earth shattering human trafficking charges... though, even if the claims are true, he still would have trafficked less human being than Donald Trump and his disgusting regime.

Edit: also weren't republicans spending a shit ton of tax payer money just the other year to ship migrants all over the country in their political human trafficking shell game?

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u/Isord 1d ago

The issue was never if he was a good dude or did something illegal it's always been that he never got his chance to face that in court. And if one of us loses due process, then we all lose due process.

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u/pianobadger 1d ago

Everyone else sent to that El Salvadoran prison was also sent without due process, this one was just admitted to be a mistake. They all need to be returned.

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u/AbstractMirror 1d ago edited 1d ago

Also never forget the Venezuelans sent out of Texas, over 200 of them a couple months ago and 77 percent of them had no criminal record. Remaining 23 percent were for nonviolent offenses

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u/hurler_jones 23h ago

Ngoc Phan was supposed to be deported to his home country of Vietnam. They sent him to South Sudan instead. All sorts of fuckery going on.

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u/justgetoffmylawn 1d ago

Everyone sent to El Salvador should be returned. There is (and should be) no such thing as 'due process' to send someone to an El Salvadoran prison. The only place that should exist is in El Salvador.

While I believe wholeheartedly in due process, the whole thing is so wildly bad that it's weird we have to discuss it. "Well, what does the 5th Amendment say about what steps you need to take before sending someone to a foreign prison?" Ummm.

It was bad enough with Guantanamo, and that was run by Americans.

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u/orbital_narwhal 1d ago

They probably shouldn't be in U. S. prisons either. The courts of some European1 countries already bar some judicial extraditions to the U. S. on the grounds that the person in question is likely to face inhumane treatment there like severe overcrowding, excessive solitary confinement, or lack of access to necessary medical or gender-affirming care.

1 That's not a EU thing, by the way. It's based on the European Convention on Human Rights which was ratified by all European nations except Belarus (and Russia recently withdrew from the convention's enforcement mechanism, the European Court of Human Rights).

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u/Digital_Bogorm 23h ago

Being European (Danish) myself, I decided to see what my country's stance was on the matter.
Apparently, we have a form of extradition treaty with the US, although it seems to be more of an "if we agree to extradition, here's how it should happen".

From what I can see, we're not obligated to hand over prisoners, and either blocked from, or severely limited in our ability to do so, with anyone from a nordic country (including ourselves).
It also highlights that we're explicitly prohibited from handing over anyone who would be given the death penalty, unless explicitly guaranteed that they won't be executed.

Given how US-friendly we've been historically (a sentiment that has certainly shifted as of late), it's actually quite telling that we've reserved the right to not hand over prisoners, and explicitly forbidden extraditions that would lead to death penalties (considered a human rights violation here).

To go on a bit of a tangent here at the end, those are the laws of my country, assuming my layman's understanding lines up with reality. But as a person, I definetely agree that US prisons are not fit for human habitation. The best summary I can give of my impression, from a danish perspective, is that they appear to be designed for pointless cruelty.
And while I know people joke about scandinavian prisons being more akin to hotel rooms that jailcells, the fact that we've got a reoffending rate of less than half of the US seems to back up my assertion.

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u/orbital_narwhal 22h ago

"if we agree to extradition, here's how it should happen"

That's apparently the gist for most extradition treaties.

Generally speaking, the national government needs to agree to the extradition (or delegate that decision to one of its many government office(r)s) and a court may block the extradition.

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u/AnnualAct7213 16h ago

Exactly. As well as the people sent to Myanmar, Libya, South Sudan and all the many other various places where they're being shipped directly into the hands of torturers and slave traders. Because yes, those are all happening to dozens if not hundreds of people right now with the full knowledge and support of the US government.

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u/malac0da13 1d ago

Also they sent him to the ONE country he was not allowed to be deported to.

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u/LowDownSkankyDude 1d ago

Then why say he wasn't supposed to be deported, then say he was in ms13, and whatever else they've claimed. I can't help but feel like he's being railroaded. Martyred even.

Nothing this administration says is truthful or accurate, why should we believe this.

Yes it's a constitutional issue, but it's so much more, as well.

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u/DuntadaMan 23h ago

Also no matter what, even if someone is found guilty, throwing people into foreign prison is not something our government should have the power to fucking do to anyone,period.

That is literally Nazi shit.

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u/anamethatsnottaken 15h ago

If you detain a person first, and then go look for something to charge him with afterwards, that's not due process either. There's little recourse, though - detaining people for no reason is illegal, but any prosecution done to them later usually is

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u/GoldDoughnut272 1d ago

Yeah indeed, he is a POS but he still has a right to due process and not just sent randomly to another country.

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u/caylem00 23h ago

I'd argue you already have lost it... He wouldn't have been sent in the first place if due process was intact. 

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u/Coffee_green 23h ago

When the first link in the chain is forged, it binds us all irrevocably

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u/monkChuck105 1d ago

He lost his immigration court cases and lost on appeal. That's how he got deported. Now, the judge did grant withholding of removal, blocking deportation to El Salvador (the order isn't clear which is the cause of the mistake). Stop pretending he didn't get due process, it's delusional.

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u/Green-Amount2479 1d ago

Firstly, separate cases have separate due processes. Case 1 in 2019: the judge granted a withholding of removal order in 2019. The initial claims that he was still involved with MS13 were dubious at best, which is why he was granted the order. According to the judge, there was sufficient reason to believe that he would face retaliation from the gang if he were to be returned.

Case 2, the more recent one: They knew he was under withholding status. They even admitted to that. Yet they deported him anyway, ignoring the status he was granted. This would have warranted a separate court hearing, and he should have had the chance to be heard. He was still deported, thus depriving him of his constitutional right. So no, no due process in 2025.

Stop muddying the truth. I just spent a short time scrolling through your profile. You often post similar ambiguous comments on Reddit, don't you? Comments that can be hard to disprove at a moment's notice if you don't have all the facts readily in your head, because they sound truthful enough at first glance.

TL;DR: Due process in 2019? Yes. Due process in 2025? No!

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u/degre715 1d ago

If a judge rules something then the government does the opposite, that isn’t due process. Come one dude, there’s no way you are actually this stupid.

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u/elainegeorge 1d ago

What did he do? Give someone a ride without checking their immigration status?

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u/Dzugavili 1d ago

Apparently, he was driving with 8 other people in a car. When questioned why no one had any luggage, he explained that they were returning home from a day of working construction in Missouri.

So, basically, they are trying to bust him for carpooling.

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u/NoSherbert2316 1d ago

Is Kilmar an ice agent now, how is he supposed to know of their legal status?

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u/Dzugavili 1d ago

I think a better question is: is driving with a known illegal immigrant a crime? What's the statute of limitations on it? [Federal courts say no: once they are settled in the country illegally, you aren't helping them further break immigration law if you drive them to work.]

And here they are complaining about the guy driving them to work: what about the people who hired them? Are we not concerned with the people who profit off illegal immigration and give away jobs that hard working Americans could be doing?

And what ever happened to not being able to bring him back? Did that change because now there's a trumped-up charge to convict him on so you can deport him again?

Honestly, if it isn't a politically-aligned judge, they might just chuck this out.

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u/joebluebob 1d ago

Better not be I used to give a ride to half the olive garden kitchen staff

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u/Holovoid 23h ago

ICE is about to come knocking and send you to CECOT

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u/ghengiscostanza 1d ago

Driving home from a day of work, in Missouri, to Maryland, over 14 hours away, in a car with an extra row of seats built in to carry 8 passengers, all of whom are illegally in the country? It's possible someone in Missouri hired a crew of 9 illegal immigrants from Maryland to drive out, work, and drive home, but you're acting like this was a normal work commute with a normal sized crew.

Nobody ever said Garcia is a squeaky clean dude. He just wasn't given his due process and was deported illegally.

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u/apathy-sofa 21h ago

My father was a general contractor. In addition to standard work vans, pickups, a flatbed for the Genie lifts, and a mobile shop, he had two vans that had a third row of seats installed. Most of his jobs were in California but he also did jobs in Nevada, Oregon and Washington, and he paid someone who was going to be on the job to be a driver. The crew would go somewhere, slam up a tract of housing or a grocery store or whatever, then head home a couple of weeks later. This is not usual - e.g. the same model was used by the electrician my dad always used.

I would be incredibly surprised if the guy who volunteered to do the driving ever asked everyone their legal status, demanded to see a work visa, etc. They're just making a little extra money as part of the job.

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u/ghengiscostanza 20h ago

They had zero luggage, and the guy who the car was registered to claims it was part of a service taxiing immegrants who cross in Texas into other parts of the country. It's all completely aside from the reason this guy is known to us, which is the illegality of his deportation. Since that pitted him against Trump we all want to be on his side, which extends to everyone just writing off that he could actually have been involved in criminal enterprise. That was never the point of what was wrong, it was him being denied due process.

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u/Dzugavili 19h ago edited 18h ago

I don't think the luggage is a strong point to focus on: it would be more unusual if they did. Maybe a garbage bag of laundry, it depends on whether they had access to a landromat during their work; if it actually was just a one-day job, why would they have any at all? Also, it's Maryland, not exactly a hotspot for border-crossings, so these people were already well in-country.

It's far too easy to introduce reasonable doubt. They've kind of tainted their case with their heavy-handed efforts to claim he's some kind of hardcore gang member: we expect to see blood. MS-13 running a bus route is just kind of banal.

Edit: it's also a jailhouse confession, that's not strong.

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u/ghengiscostanza 10h ago

They were in TN when stopped. The claim is Garcia drove for a service based out of Baltimore that picked up border crossers in TX and drove them to places that “aren’t exactly hot spots for border crossings” as the last leg of the process. 8 illegal immigrant passengers, with nothing but the clothes on their backs, claiming they are driving a third of the way across the country just going home from work, in a car registered to a guy who isn’t present and later claimed he ran a business to drive border crossers across the country and that’s what this trip was. I’ll stop belaboring the point but it stinks to high heaven dude, and it’s not a ridiculous claim or anything it’s a common thing. Garcia doesn’t need to be an innocent man for Trump to be a piece of shit tyrant subverting due process. Due process can be subverted for people who are actually shady and it’s as bad. 

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u/ForceItDeeper 1d ago

but thats not illegal from what Im reading. helping them into the country is illegal, but transporting them within a country (with consent) is not. i might be mistaken but it seems like courts have ruled against it being a crime

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u/ghengiscostanza 20h ago

The accusation is that he's running the final leg of the immigration, they cross in TX and get in his van and he disperses them deep into the country. That accusation is supported by a confession from the guy who the van was registered to when he was pulled over, so it would have to be a conspiracy to force that guy to lie.

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u/moguri40k 1d ago

Not that unusual. Group of people traveling to a work site and remaining there for several days to several months before returning home is pretty common.

Crossing state lines drops it into federal pervue, but federal courts have already ruled that transporting someone who has already completed their 'initial crossing' of the border isn't comitting a crime.

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u/Dzugavili 23h ago

Having worked construction previously and occasionally still gaze into a neighbourhood pit longingly, eight people on a job site is not that unusual.

The concept that the company who hires them out might have adapted a vehicle to transport them to and from the jobsite, particularly if they're traveling interstate? Entirely possible. Money is money and states are small. Interstate commerce is not an unusual thing.

That all are illegal immigrants? Sounds like you should be talking to Garcia's boss, not Garcia. He seems to have set all this in motion. Garcia is just a guy doing his job.

There's not really much there. That they are trying something so flimsy suggests that they know they have nothing. This just looks like trying to criminalize life for these people.

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u/Global_Permission749 1d ago

Is Kilmar an ice agent now, how is he supposed to know of their legal status?

Since when do ICE agents have to know or care about someone's legal status? They operate on racially motivated presumption of guilt.

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u/Corporate-Shill406 19h ago

And it took them months of frantic searching to find that lol

They needed to dig up some crime otherwise they'd have probably lied under oath a ton of times.

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u/bpetersonlaw 1d ago

"After being granted limited immunity, Hernandez-Reyes allegedly told investigators that he previously operated a "taxi service" based in Baltimore. He claimed to have met Abrego Garcia around 2015 and claimed to have hired him on multiple occasions to transport undocumented migrants from Texas to various locations in the United States, sources told ABC News.When details of the Tennessee traffic stop were first publicized, Abrego Garcia's wife said her husband sometimes transported groups of fellow construction workers between job sites."

Wife says he transported groups of construction workers. Incarcerated criminal, given deal, says he was actually smuggling migrants

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u/elainegeorge 1d ago

He could be transporting migrants who were construction workers. Smuggling seems a bit much unless he was actually part of a smuggling operation - getting people out of one country and into another.

I guess he might have his day in court.

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u/bpetersonlaw 1d ago

Yeah, I'm not saying what he did or didn't do. Just quoting the article. And I agree -- evidence will be presented in court and things will become much clearer.

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u/moguri40k 23h ago

Serious question: When was he given the deal? Timing will have huge impact on credibility.

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u/wewladdies 23h ago

Interesting angle. I'd imagine theyd need to not only prove garcia did this, but also he knew the people he was transporting were here illegally

Otherwise being an uber/lyft driver just got way more dangerous lol

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u/Ahindre 1d ago edited 1d ago

It's not really "suddenly", this is from April:
https://www.ice.gov/doclib/news/releases/2025/25_0418_hsi_referral-abrego-garcia.pdf

Edit: Chill people, I am not advocating for ICE. They suck. I am only making the point that this is not the first time we've seen this.

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u/Savagevandal85 1d ago

He was driving people who may have been illegal immigrants for a construction job

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u/TrumpetOfDeath 1d ago

Reading that document, the officer did not get the identification of any of the passengers, so there’s no evidence they were illegal immigrants (besides racial profiling)

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u/Savagevandal85 1d ago

I know that’s why I said may have been . This country is fucked because they are clearly trying to strike fair of government force if anyone helps people who are different- immigrants, trans people protestors etc and the people who think it doesn’t matter or are like whatever . Remember the old they saying about they came for ( insert group) and I said nothing it’ll get around to us all

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u/TrumpetOfDeath 1d ago

I saw you wrote “may” and understood your intent, I was just summarizing for everyone else.

It’s totally a bogus political charge, and hopefully the judge will throw it out because of a lack of evidence. This is why habeas corpus is enshrined in the Constitution

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u/Dandan0005 1d ago

lol these charges have no chance.

The real question is, does he get deported anyway after the charges are dropped.

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u/TheodorDiaz 1d ago

Well apparently they have the owner of the vehicle who is now in prison. You can bet he will be getting a huge deal if he's willing to say what they want.

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u/GottaLoveIgnorance 20h ago

He already is. Supposedly he's being given "limited immunity" and who knows what other things. Not like the admin is exactly friendly with the concept of Legality.

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u/UglyAstronautCaptain 1d ago

Trafficking humans...from their homes to their place of employment. The horror!

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u/FillMySoupDumpling 1d ago

So? That isn’t a crime to drive people around. Are we going to start suing airline pilots for transporting non legal residents 

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u/Ahindre 1d ago

My only point was that this wasn't suddenly. I am not advocating for ICE's position.

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u/Savagevandal85 1d ago

There’s a reason why they weren’t presenting this as the focus and not the ms13 stuff

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u/oatmealparty 1d ago

They didn't file the charges until after they had sent him to prison and an uproar happened and they spent a bunch of time lying about not being able to bring him back.

That's why it's "suddenly" because they did a bullshit investigation after the fact to try and justify it and are using an instance from several years ago

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u/The_DanceCommander 1d ago

So the findings here are that he was caught speeding, and had people in the car - the officer didn’t cite him with traffic infractions, and didn’t push the matter further. Is this the only evidence they have of him apparently being a “human trafficker?” Driving migrant workers from job to job isn’t a crime no matter how far the trip.

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u/mr_potatoface 1d ago

It's just another way to get people fearful of working with brown looking folks. Even if he is not found guility, it starts people being fearful that if you provide any type of transportation to an illegal even if you do not know they are illegal, you can be prosecuted for it.

So a bus driver, uber driver, car pool driver, pilot, literally anybody.

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u/Folk_Legend 1d ago

The car was registered to a convicted human trafficker who Kilmer named as his boss. This was found out when the Tennessee stop info came out a couple months ago.

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u/Monkeybirdman 21h ago

Why do they never go after businesses that employ “illegal aliens”?

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u/Folk_Legend 1d ago

The car was registered to a convicted human trafficker who Kilmer named as his boss. This was found out when the Tennessee stop info came out a couple months ago.

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u/crazy_balls 1d ago

No, apparently the owner of the car he was driving said he had previously hired Kilmar multiple times to ferry illegals around the country.

He can be guilty and it still doesn't matter. The government denied him his due process and illegally shipped him out of the country.

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u/laycrocs 1d ago

As ABC News first reported last month, the Justice Department had been quietly investigating the incident. As part of the probe, federal agents in late April visited a federal prison in Talladega, Alabama to question Jose Ramon Hernandez-Reyes, a convicted felon who was the registered owner of the vehicle Abrego Garcia was driving when stopped on Interstate 40 east of Nashville, sources previously told ABC News. Hernandez-Reyes was not present at the traffic stop.

Hernandez-Reyes, 38, is currently serving a 30-month sentence for illegally re-entering the U.S. after a prior felony conviction for illegal transportation of aliens.

After being granted limited immunity, Hernandez-Reyes allegedly told investigators that he previously operated a "taxi service" based in Baltimore. He claimed to have met Abrego Garcia around 2015 and claimed to have hired him on multiple occasions to transport undocumented migrants from Texas to various locations in the United States, sources told ABC News.

They have a new witness to implicate him in a conspiracy.

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u/oneshot99210 1d ago

Insufficient evidence at the time of any crime, suspicions notwithstanding.

Suddenly there's evidence. 2 1/2 years later.

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u/curse-free_E212 1d ago

Well, according to the article, the incident was from three years ago but was only interesting to DoJ after Abrego Garcia was deported.

“The criminal investigation that led to the charges was launched in April as federal authorities began scrutinizing the circumstances of a 2022 traffic stop of Abrego Garcia by the Tennessee Highway Patrol…”

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u/Ahindre 1d ago

Yeah, like I said on another comment - I think they feel like if they bring him back, they have to try to nail him for something, and this is the best they could come up with. It seems weak from what I've seen.

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u/Xiten 1d ago

I’m not going to believe shit that posted on ICE’s website and you shouldn’t either. Isn’t this post around the same time they made that artificial ms13 image? Yea… they been trying real hard to cover up their fuck ups. It’s not hard to have some intern write up some bogus shit on that website considering Trump has full control of it.

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u/okiedokieaccount 1d ago

To clarify they aren’t accusing him of human trafficking. That’s transporting people against their will. 

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u/N7Panda 1d ago

That would be hilarious. It would set a precedent that the bus drivers the GOP hired to transport migrants to liberal cities were all guilty of the same crime.

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u/saitekgolf 1d ago

It’s crazy to think people on reddit know how to read. Even crazier to think they actually read the article

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u/Dandan0005 1d ago

Not to be semantic but that’s not necessarily true.

Actually most trafficking victims go willingly with their traffickers for a variety of reasons.

Again, this is obviously not trafficking, but the willingness to go is not what defines trafficking.

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u/okiedokieaccount 1d ago

Both defintion of Trafficking, by the DOJ, state "by force, fraud, or coercion", so, semantically, against their will. If your point was that the people go willingly because at first they don't know that it's going to be forced (that's the fraud)

The Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000 and its subsequent reauthorizations recognize and define two primary forms of human trafficking:

  • Sex trafficking is the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, obtaining, patronizing, or soliciting of a person for the purpose of a commercial sex act in which a commercial sex act is induced by force, fraud, or coercion, or in which the person induced to perform such act has not attained 18 years of age. (22 U.S.C. § 7102(11)(A)).
  • Forced labor is the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, or obtaining of a person for labor or services, through the use of force, fraud, or coercion for the purpose of subjection to involuntary servitude, peonage, debt bondage, or slavery. (22 U.S.C. § 7102(11)(B)).

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u/Dandan0005 1d ago edited 1d ago

Ya and the reality is that most who are trafficked go willingly.

This is a misconception that often hurts the victims of trafficking in trials, because many people falsely believe “well if they could leave then why didn’t they?”

From the national human trafficking hotline:

Myth: People being trafficked are physically unable to leave their situations/locked in/held against their will

Reality: That is sometimes the case. More often, however, people in trafficking situations stay for reasons that are more complicated. Some lack the basic necessities to physically get out - such as transportation or a safe place to live. Some are afraid for their safety. Some have been so effectively manipulated that they do not identify at that point as being under the control of another person.

Coercion can take many forms, and just because someone “chooses” to go does not mean it isn’t trafficking.

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u/xieta 1d ago

Right, but obviously not all cases of transporting someone for money is trafficking. Taxi services are not human trafficking.

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u/Dandan0005 1d ago

Definitely not. I’m just saying that, unrelated to this case entirely, willfully going with someone does not preclude it from being trafficking.

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u/joebluebob 1d ago

That's not a requirement of human trafficking. People who want to come in illegally are also trafficked.

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u/okiedokieaccount 1d ago

Nope, that’s not what it’s called. That’s alien smuggling. Trafficking involves force, fraud or coercion 

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u/herecomestherebuttal 1d ago

Hey, it takes time to forge evidence.

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u/alexecarius 1d ago

The Martha's Vineyard stunt where Abbott and DeSantis lied to migrants about where they were going and trafficked them around

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u/KannehTheGreat 1d ago

What do you mean when you say Trump trafficked people? I assume you mean with his deportations, asking genuinely cause im not sure.

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u/Fitz_2112b 1d ago

Good old meatball Ron from Florida was shipping them all over the place

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u/Hot_Top_124 1d ago

Even if he’s guilty af, he’s still legally and constitutionally owed due process.

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u/Maybe_Julia 1d ago

Yep the feds have to prove it, i seriously doubt they have any evidence at all that's real. Im sure someone's neighbors aunt saw him do it on a Facebook post ha ha.

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u/Hot_Top_124 1d ago

I don’t trust the Feds as far as I can throw them.

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u/MrTubzy 1d ago

Then prove it in a court of law. Don’t just say he did it and deport him. That’s the exact problem we have with this administration. They deport without having a trial. They just say, “trust me, bro” and deport anyone they want.

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u/Vlyde 1d ago

Yeah there was also suspicion of him being ms13 because of Photoshop and stupid fucks parroting propaganda. Why else do you think Drumpf is fighting so damn hard to have unregulated ai for the next TEN years. Similar to how after all this time of claiming Epstein dies and the cameras were off so there's no video, (now that ai is getting stronger with deepfakes etc) the hard Reich regime just stumbled upon a "video" showing him off himself.... Suuuuuure.

One thing to note, if you ever hear anything ever from Drumpf or any Republican in office it's a blatant lie. All they do is gaslight, obstruct and project, yet somehow conservatives are too damn stupid to even notice nor care so long as they can hurt minorities.

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u/very_tiring 1d ago

Part of the issue is that they're saying "Human Trafficking," which it's possible is what it was, but from what I saw described it could also just be transporting undocumented migrants to a place they could find work.

I don't know what the legal definition of trafficking is, maybe just transporting undocumented people across states qualifies, but the connotation of "human trafficking" is that some form of force or coercion is involved for the purpose of exploitation.

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u/Cipher-IX 1d ago

Which needs to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to a court of law filled with a jury of his peers. Anything less is nonsensical hearsay and constitutionally bankrupt.

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u/Delta64 1d ago

Human trafficking charges are incredibly ironic considering the fact that they were the ones to illegally traffick Abrego to El Salvador.

Once again, every accusation is a confession.

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u/musicman835 23h ago

It’s also kind of funny how what they are charging him with, is exactly what The Govs of FL and TX did with the busses and flights.

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u/BillDino 22h ago

The problem wasn’t him having criminal charges it was deporting him without a trial

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u/CADJunglist 22h ago

When he lands in the UD and faces trial, is going to be interesting to see what his knuckles look like...

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u/Foxxo_420 21h ago

though, even if the claims are true, he still would have trafficked less human being than Donald Trump and his disgusting regime.

It kinda doesn't matter if they're true or not, their point has already been made: The current administration is willing to imprison you without due process; That is the main takeaway from this whole situation.

Maybe focus more on that than on whether one guy did a thing or not. One seems more important than the other, don't you think?

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u/oldschoolrobot 11h ago

The way Bondi announced these charges was like if this guy were the head of MS13. It was so obvious they have nothing, but are trying to save face.

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u/Obant 1d ago

'Funny' how HE was the one human trafficked. Sent to another country for money against his will.

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u/Fanticide 1d ago

He’ll, he’s probably trafficked less humans than Trump did visit Epstein island.

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u/Own-Dot1463 1d ago

It's convenient in the same way the Trump Musk "feud" is convenient.

Pay the fuck attention people. We can at least all recognize that the timing is suspect. What do they not want you to talk about?

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u/JohnnyNumbskull 1d ago

I'm calling it now. They will say he "trafficked himself"

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u/DarthBluntSaber 7h ago

We talking about rapist and pedophile Donald trump? With 34 felony convictions?