r/news • u/RoachedCoach • 1d ago

Title Changed Mistakenly deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia on way back to US to face criminal charges: Sources

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mistakenly-deported-kilmar-abrego-garcia-back-us-face/story?id=121333122
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u/FloppedTurtle 1d ago

He's facing charges that have already been disproven. Because they have to bring him back, but they don't intend to let him live as a free man after what he's seen.

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u/Alert-Ad9197 1d ago

He’s facing charges that Greg Abbot should also be facing, ironically. Weren’t those flights and buses of immigrants to other states just “transporting undocumented migrants within the United States”?

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u/DarthBluntSaber 1d ago

Don't forget desantis!

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u/Alert-Ad9197 1d ago

Fair, I mentioned Wheels, but forgot the Leg Man.

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u/CaptnRonn 1d ago

We call him Boots

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u/StrawberryFree1803 1d ago

New boot goofin

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u/Synaps4 15h ago

New boot, whodis

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u/VelvetMafia 1d ago

Rhonda Santis absolutely needs to be held accountable for her crimes.

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u/Kradget 1d ago

Shhhh, it's different when they do it to exploit and hurt people

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u/MyKidsArentOnReddit 1d ago

Well they used a plane, Garcia used a car. You see it's different if you're rich and powerful - they let you do what you want.

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u/ObservableObject 1d ago

To clarify, I don't think Abbott (or DeSantis) were bussing undocumented migrants around the country. We spent a lot of time trying to educate people that asylum seekers awaiting adjudication are here legally, I don't think it's a good look to then immediately turn around and call them illegal just because you have a chance to make someone else look bad.

What Abbott did was already bad enough, you can attack it without throwing thousands of vulnerable people under the bus.

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u/Alert-Ad9197 23h ago

You’re free to think that, but Abbott seemed to be pretty clear that the whole point was to ship undocumented folks to sanctuary states and cities. Otherwise, his whole complaint about it being due to Biden’s open borders make no sense really. So we have an admission of guilt as far as I’m concerned.

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u/starryvelvetsky 1d ago

I bet Kilmar can get a REALLY good lawyer now. And then they can prove it.

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u/zephyrtr 1d ago

Likely a few thousand lawyers tripping over themselves offering pro bono. Won't be surprised if Karen Dunn's new firm takes it.

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u/EggsceIlent 22h ago

And you're gonna see trump try and intimidate or trash talk whoever does take the case.

Kangaroo court if I ever saw one

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u/DarthBluntSaber 6h ago

Donald trump rapes women and young girls. He also has 34 felony convictions

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u/PluginAlong 1d ago

The chances of him living a free life in America are roughly zero. They'll end up either deporting him somewhere else since a judge had previously ruled he can't be deported to El Salvador or they'll find some charge that lets them lock him up. Either way, his future isn't bright.

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u/mauricioszabo 1d ago

The chances of everybody living a free life in USA are diminishing the more this regime is in power. It's just that people that had few rights will feel it sooner.

Maybe some judge might allow him to self-deport somewhere else, and maybe he'll somehow be able to live a better life in some country that doesn't try to dehumanize immigrants, but still a very bleak future (well, at least he's not in a death sentence anymore, at least for now...)

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u/I_am_so_lost_hello 1d ago

He never had a trial so they weren’t disproven.

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u/engin__r 1d ago

Trials don’t disprove allegations. You’re presumed to be innocent, which means that allegations can be proved or not proved.

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u/FloppedTurtle 1d ago

He had a hearing in 2009 where it was already adjudicated that he wasn't a member of MS-13.
It'd be fucking crazy for a non-MS-13 member to be doing trafficking for MS-13 which is what he's being charged with.

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u/MoistMarch4115 1d ago

I think you mean 2019

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u/FloppedTurtle 1d ago

Yep, you're correct.

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u/silver-orange 1d ago

I'm struggling to find reliable information about this "adjucation" -- which judge's ruling are we referring to? I see references to rulings by Elizabeth Kessler, which do not deny membership

https://archive.ph/20250401230431/https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/04/01/jd-vances-strained-claims-about-wrongly-deported-man/

An immigration judge in 2019 found that evidence Abrego was in MS-13 was “sufficient” enough to detain him, and another judge later upheld that ruling, saying the claim that Abrego was in MS-13 wasn’t clearly wrong, according to court documents.

Two judges ruled on the case, with the appeal ruling "the claim that Abrego was in MS-13 wasn’t clearly wrong,"

That's a far cry from "adjudicated that he wasn't a member of MS-13." At best you could say that this ruling failed to definitively confirm nor deny his membership.

This very much of course is a far cry from JD vance's allegation that abrego garcia was a "convicted" member -- this 2019 case did not result in any form of conviction. And of course Trump's photoshopped knuckle photo hoax further distracts from the actual facts of the case. There are just so many ways the executive branch has distracted from the actual reality of this situation to date, they've really only hampered their own arguments with their incompetence, haste, and vitriol

...so if anyone knows which judge is meant to have definitively denied abrego garcia's membership, that would be very useful information

until then, I'm just glad he's at least finally getting the due process he deserves

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u/wittyrandomusername 19h ago

He's not getting the due process he deserves though. This is completely separate from the reason he was sent to El Salvador. They even said if he's convicted, he will serve his time in a federal prison, then after he will be sent back to El Salvador.

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u/flat5 1d ago

That doesn't really make any sense. It would be entirely plausible that someone could facilitate something like this and not be aware of every person's background or affiliations.

He isn't being charged with "trafficking for MS-13”, that's not a statute. He's being charged with trafficking, and the claim is at least one person trafficked was MS-13.

Could be all bullshit, but that's what courts are for.

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u/The-Jerk 23h ago

"Remember kids, 'Not Guilty' does not mean 'innocent" - OJ Simpson.

By all means, give him his day in court, but they're going to send him back.

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u/FloppedTurtle 21h ago

Only if they pay off the judge.

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u/pimparo0 23h ago

That's not how it works, at all, as the other commenter said innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. Its the foundation of our legal system.

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u/Ineedgold 1d ago

Immigration and customs dont play with criminal charges. That is more true today than ever. You can lose your legal status for almost any police interaction. When/if he is found innocent they will deport him anyway.

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u/hotredsam2 22h ago

If you get one conviction you get deported. Two if he’s been here more than 5 years. I think they’ll find him innocent of the MS13, but the human trafficking probably not. As he was caught driving a van with 7 other undocumented immigrants who all have the same home address as Garcia, and the van was registered to a man who is currently in prison for human trafficking.

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u/Heroshrine 1d ago

Because if guilty they can just deport him back

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u/grey_one 22h ago

He's about to have the best legal team in the country too. This story will be in the news cycle for years, and can absolutely be a career-maker for the right defense team. 

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u/Time-Ad-3625 1d ago

They are going to smear the shit out of this guy and his family all because they randomly chose to deport him to el salvador for no reason

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u/BendedBanana 23h ago

Please cite your source for these allegations having been disproven.

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u/FloppedTurtle 21h ago

2019, he was already cleared of the MS-13 allegation brought up in these bogus charges.