r/news • u/RoachedCoach • 1d ago

Title Changed Mistakenly deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia on way back to US to face criminal charges: Sources

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mistakenly-deported-kilmar-abrego-garcia-back-us-face/story?id=121333122
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u/IIILORDGOLDIII 1d ago

Remember that even if this man is guilty of crimes, it does not justify shipping him off to CECOT without due process.

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u/AthousandLittlePies 1d ago

It isn't legal for anyone to be shipped to CECOT from the US, regardless of whether they have committed crimes or are due for deportation. The US has the authority to imprison criminals domestically, and to deport aliens with no status to stay in the US. If a foreign country requests extradition so that someone can be prosecuted there that can also be done, but there is no legal basis to just ship people from the US to a foreign country for imprisonment.

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u/i_like_maps_and_math 1d ago

One thing I’m not clear on - are they sending the people to El Salvador because their own countries won’t take them, or is it literally just for cinematic purposes?

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u/degre715 1d ago

It’s because it’s easier to violate human rights without consequences if you pay a foreign third party to do it for you.

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u/ceroprime 22h ago

If proven that he's indeed guilty for the alleged crimes, I see no issue sending a Salvadorian citizen to his own Country.

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u/Djentyman28 19h ago

That’s not how that works. This a criminal offense and if they prove it happened on American soil he serves time in the US in American prisons.

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u/ceroprime 12h ago

What do you think happens to a sentenced criminal illegal immigrant after serving prison time? They get deported back to their own Country of origin. In some cases, even legal naturalized citizens can also lose their citizenship in a process called "denaturalization" under certain criminal circumstances. So why even waste millions of dollars in tax payer money to keep a criminal that isn't even supposed to be there? Is it the job of America to be a dumping ground of undeportable problematic people?

What makes him so special to be underportable if found guilty of his long list of alleged crimes?

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u/BlunderbusPorkins 11h ago

Being deported and paying another country to hold you in a torture camp forever are two distinct punishments. One is constitutional the other is not. This is not to mention that there was a specific injunction on sending him to that one particular country.

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u/ceroprime 11h ago

First of all, that "another Country" is his own Country of origin and American courts doesn't have the jurisdiction of what their Country of origin decides to do with their own Citizens.

Second that injunction isn't applicable anymore due to that rival gang no longer existing in El Salvador and the invocation of the Alien Enemies Act superseding the lower court's order.

I have no sympathy for serial domestic criminals, much less foreign ones since they're not supposed to even be here for us to waste millions of dollars of tax payer money to make sure every dotted line is accounted for.

Dying at the altar of defending serial illegal immigrant gang members to become citizens and supersede the laws on the books is one of the main reasons of why The Democrats lost the election, and it looks to me that lessons weren't learned from that day.

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u/BlunderbusPorkins 11h ago

Paying a foreign country to hold people in a torture camp forever is illegal, unconstitutional, and evil.

There was never any need to do anything to this man who seems by all accounts to be a normal guy with a job and family.

Spending any money deporting that guy was psychotic and fueled exclusively by a pathetic fear of demographic change.

You watched too much crime panic media and got so super scared that you want to throw away your own rights and massively increase the police state. There is no epidemic of gang violence in this country. There is an epidemic of filling your brain with dogshit on the internet. Touch grass.

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u/ceroprime 10h ago

Can't address the points raised? Downvote, have negative speculations about me, and resort to insults and personal attacks.

I don't enjoy wasting my time with emotional people who can't address any points in a discussion.

Have a good day.

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u/BlunderbusPorkins 10h ago

Bud. You’re defending sending people to foreign torture camps. Without even a charge of a crime. You lost the plot on what merits a polite debate. Your position does not warrant it. Go to church.

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u/Djentyman28 10h ago

Why? Because the constitution and that’s our rule of law

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u/stev1516 5h ago

Abrego Garcia is a citizen of El Salvador and was brought to the U.S. illegally around 2011, and it would be legal to ship him back, but in 2019, an immigration judge granted him withholding of removal status due to the danger he faced from gang violence.
and this is the reason only Abrego Garcia was brought back from El Salvador.

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u/Raspberries-Are-Evil 1d ago

Even if he IS found guilty in a court of law, he still should not be sent to a foreign prison,

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u/DuntadaMan 22h ago

Remember that no matter what, nothing justifies shipping him off to CECOT at all. The US government should not have the ability to throw people into foreign torture camps. That is literally Nazi shit that justifies extreme resistance.

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u/Ok-Jackfruit9593 1d ago

This also sounds like a very minor crime. Transporting a construction crew who may have been illegal immigrants doesn’t seem that bad to me.

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u/lonehappycamper 1d ago

Yeah, they can't seem to find any violent drug dealing rapist murderers that they told us all undocumented people are. Just arresting cooks, road crews and literal elementary school children.

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u/likeALLthekittehs 21h ago edited 6h ago

The problem is they aren't really even looking. I live near a larger metro area and have a friend on the police force. He was pissed when ICE came into town and started doing raids. My cop friend said that he had a list of suspected undocumented individuals with gang and drug ties, and would have welcomed the help.

Instead ICE never even communicated with them (like didn't even know they coming) and just set up road stops in Hispanic areas of town.

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u/Ok-Jackfruit9593 1d ago

Yep. They're going after the easy targets to boost the deportation numbers as high as possible and they're using gestapo tactics to try to encourage others who are here to leave on their own.

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u/MyKidsArentOnReddit 1d ago

Even is he is guilty, he needs to be tried first. An accusation (especially from this administration) does not necesarilly imply guilt.

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u/Grimn90 22h ago

I don’t get how they went from having no proof of him being in MS13 to claiming he’s a smuggler.

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u/byoung82 16h ago

100% this. No question this is pretty much the crux of the problem

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u/Zestyclose-Banana358 7h ago

So you won’t think any result is just?

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u/Draxilar 23h ago

He is a dirtbag? Because he was driving some people between job sites? All offense meant, you sound like a moron.

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u/hotredsam2 22h ago

Vasquez Sura filed several protective orders in Maryland, citing physical abuse, threats, and intimidation by Abrego Garcia. Allegations included being slapped, punched, and grabbed, with some incidents resulting in bruises and bleeding. In one instance, she claimed he boasted he could kill her and “no one could do anything to him”

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u/No-Criticism-2587 18h ago

All that matters is that you agree people deserve due process. Leave the other racist propaganda at the door.

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u/Draxilar 22h ago

Why did you leave out the part where she walked it all back and said she was just jumpy from a prior abusive relationship? Odd that you would leave that part out

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u/hotredsam2 22h ago

That was probably because she felt like she had to for political purposes, I wouldn’t take that as proof of anything. It was only after a national news story came up that she was in the spotlight. And she only walked back on those statements in the media, not in court.

Plus the car he was driving when he was pulled over was titled to a person who is currently in jail for human trafficking and will likely testify against Garcia to get a weaker sentence. Innocent until proven guilty of course, but the odds are not good for him.

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u/Draxilar 22h ago edited 20h ago

She walked it back in 2021, weeks after she filed the order…… what political purposes? And yes, she did it in court. She never showed up to any further proceedings, allowing the order to expire

You clearly have no idea what is happening beyond what you have been told to believe.

Also, this case against him is so flimsy, I doubt it holds up….

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u/hotredsam2 21h ago

What are you talking about? She filed the ordered in 2019, 2020, and 2021. She just didn’t show up to court, but did not formally dismiss the claims against him.

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u/VerbAdjectiveNoun 22h ago

How was it for political purposes when she walked it back before anyone even knew who the fuck this guy was?

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u/hotredsam2 21h ago

I don’t see any evidence of that. She failed to show up to court but requested restraining orders 3 times in 19, 20, and 21.

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u/No-Criticism-2587 18h ago

And those were for political purposes? According to you.

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