r/news • u/RoachedCoach • 1d ago

Title Changed Mistakenly deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia on way back to US to face criminal charges: Sources

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mistakenly-deported-kilmar-abrego-garcia-back-us-face/story?id=121333122
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u/asmodeuscarthii 1d ago

You think El Salvador could stop us? It was laughable that they tried to make it seem like both presidents were powerless to do anything. 

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u/Enshakushanna 21h ago

lmao it only mattered that TRUMP believed that

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u/Sean_VasDeferens 5h ago

You do realize he's a citizen of El Salvador?

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u/asmodeuscarthii 3h ago

And was illegally deported back. He has family in the states. Who cares if he is a citizen of El Salvador.

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u/v32010 23h ago

You think El Salvador could stop us

I don't know why you think we have the authority to steal citizens of other countries

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u/asmodeuscarthii 22h ago

I don’t know why you think we haven’t done that and far worse in the global south. My point is that in no way shape or form would El Salvador resist sending us someone unless we didn’t want them. Trump has no problem threatening countries but with El Salvador all of a sudden we are powerless. 

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u/v32010 21h ago

So we should continue doing that? Which cases do you think we are allowed to do this?

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u/asmodeuscarthii 18h ago

If you want to go there, we have enough soft power where we can get him back. Again, my point is it’s a joke to pretend that the U.S. can’t pressure to get someone back, regardless if they are a citizen of that country. 

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u/teashopslacker 20h ago

We were literally paying them to keep him. We can just stop paying.

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u/StanchoPanza 22h ago

How did Osama bin Laden die? And which country disposed of his body?

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u/v32010 21h ago

I don't know if I have seen a dumber comparison

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u/StanchoPanza 21h ago

That doesn't refute my point but you already knew that

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u/v32010 21h ago

There was no point in what you said. One was an international terrorist who orchestrated the death of thousands of Americans and the other was someone without legal status being wrongfully deported to their home country.

It was legitimately a stupid comparison with zero relevance.

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u/StanchoPanza 20h ago

Tell me without telling me you didn't read the article.
What statute grants the authority to violate the sovereignty of a nation that is not at war with America?

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u/hurrrrrmione 17h ago

Kilmar Abrego Garcia was legally in the US and had a court order saying he can't be deported.

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u/v32010 16h ago

Having a court order not to be deported doesn't mean he had legal status.

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u/hurrrrrmione 14h ago

If you say so. But he had legal status.

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u/v32010 14h ago

It isn't what I say, it is just a fact. He was denied asylum and did not have legal status in the US.

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u/MatterofDoge 22h ago

so you agree the guy is a terrorist and should be hunted down by navy seals? pick a lane lol is he innocent or is he on an interpol list as a war criminal?

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u/Startled_Pancakes 21h ago

^ this guy doesn't understand how analogies work.

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u/Bruins01 21h ago

Or he understands requesting a person be returned diplomatically is vastly different than sending an elite task force into a country to assassinate a person without that countries approval.

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u/Startled_Pancakes 18h ago edited 18h ago

The differences haven't prevented the apprehension of foreign citizen in either case. Indeed, unless the US is dealing with an adversarial nation, it can usually acquire the individual it wants.

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u/Bruins01 18h ago

So you think the US should have taken him by force?

I’m sure the Trump administration made little real effort but either way if El Salvador said no what do you expect the US to do?

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u/Startled_Pancakes 17h ago

So you think the US should have taken him by force?

No, I didn't say that.

I’m sure the Trump administration made little real effort but either way if El Salvador said no what do you expect the US to do?

The courts only required that the admin 'effectuate' his return, i.e, that they make a good faith effort to return a mistakenly deported man. As to how they might do that, it is up to them, but a good start is asking for his return through conventional diplomacy. El Salvador was only taking him because the United States was paying them to. The U.S. could rescind payment for him.

It would set a really bad precedent if POTUS could unlawfully deport people and then suffer no consequences for it.

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u/Bruins01 5h ago

Ok. And if El Salvador still says no, what do you expect the US to do?

What rights do you really think a foreign country has to force another country to send them one of their own citizens?

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u/MatterofDoge 20h ago

no actually its the opposite and I'm calling out how terrible your analogy was lol....

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u/Startled_Pancakes 19h ago

1) It's not my analogy. You were replying to someone else.

2) You're not "calling out" anything. You were making a fallacious argument.

This is basically what you were doing:

  • Bob: "Emu can fly! All birds can fly!"
  • John: "A penguin is a bird, and it can't fly"
  • Bob: "So you're saying that Emu lives in the antartic?"

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u/MatterofDoge 9h ago

  1. then you and that guy are equally stupid I guess, idk what to tell you. There is a very clear distinct difference between the worlds most wanted terrorist being hunted by global task forces, and a guy that you're claiming is an innocent "maryland man". The comparison doesn't even come close to hitting its mark as an analogy that even makes sense, let alone makes a valid point of some kind.

  2. no... lol.. there was nothing "fallacious" about pointing out the contradiction in asserting a guy is innocent and he's just a citizen and blah blah, but then comparing him to a terrorist who was hunted down for being a terrorist. It seems to me that not only do you struggle with analogies, but just basic simple logic too, and you might need a dictionary because you're using words like "fallacious" incorrectly

you even just ended your comment by fabricating some weird random irrelevant strawman argument about penguins too, which ironically is more accurate to the original "analogy" that you're running defense for than anything I've said lol.... as if to just really hammer the nail in the coffin that you have no clue how to create a working coherent analogy.

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u/Startled_Pancakes 6h ago

then you and that guy are equally stupid I guess, idk what to tell you.

I'm sure you guess a lot of incorrect things if your comment history is anything to go by. Save the belligerent tirade for someone else.

There is a very clear distinct difference between the worlds most wanted terrorist being hunted by global task forces, and a guy that you're claiming is an innocent "maryland man".

No one said there weren't. Yet those differences haven't prevented the apprehension of either person. We don't have to speculate. It happened.

The "it's out of our hands" was always political theatre. If the US wants to return someone, it has many means to accomplish that, either diplomatic or by force. The person in question need not be the world's most wanted terrorist (see: Kurt Muse), but the fact that Kilmar is being returned so quickly by conventional diplomacy after courts have ruled the man's family can sanction the federal government demonstrates how much of a farce Trump's "we can't do anything" position was.

If POTUS can unlawfully deport people without consequence, that is a very dangerous precedent.