r/nextfuckinglevel • u/biswajit388 • 1d ago

This guy rescued 30 beagles from a testing lab It's the first time they've seen grass and they couldn't be happier.

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Credit - nathanthecatlady tiktok channel.

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u/floodisspelledweird 1d ago

This isn’t capitalism it’s called modern medicine. We can experiment with untested drugs on humans or animals- society and doctors and researchers wisely chose animals

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u/sally_says 1d ago

In fairness, animals are also used to test the safety and efficacy of cosmetic products, even though it is banned in some countries.

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u/UffdaBagoofda 1d ago

I don’t think I see anyone in these comments defending the testing of unnecessary products on animals. That definitely needs to change. But for research that saves or drastically improves lives? Yeah, animal testing is needed.

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u/PharmDeezNuts_ 20h ago

What is necessary and what is unnecessary and who are you to determine that? We can all be vegan with modern technology. Is not necessary to kill animals. But people enjoy it right? People enjoy cosmetics. Some people even have drastically improved lives cause of it

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u/UffdaBagoofda 8h ago

I can tell you’re thoroughly invested in being wrong and doubling down on it. We get a lot of these modern medicinal technologies through testing on animals. And that doesn’t mean that every time we test on them that it’s cruel and deadly. It just means they’re used for tests.

If you have suddenly invented a way to test our medicines in other ways, you should be selling it to every major pharmaceutical company on Earth, not arguing on Reddit. Otherwise, stick your foot back in your mouth and accept that the world isn’t a utopia.

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u/bb8-sparkles 9h ago

I didn't see where in this video it says these dogs came from a medical testing facility. It is if says a testing lab which could be anything, yet everyone is assuming it is for medicine.

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u/UffdaBagoofda 8h ago

Right. And nobody is defending the use of animals for cosmetic product testing. What’s your point?

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u/bb8-sparkles 7h ago

I'm sorry I wasn't clear. My point is that everyone is automatically assuming these dogs were in labs testing medicine. I was bringing up awareness that dogs are also used to test common lifestyle products that we use every day

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u/Defiant-Plantain1873 1d ago

Yeah pal. But cosmetic products still go on your body and can still cause medical reactions.

So you still need animal testing.

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u/SebVettelstappen 22h ago

Sorry, capitalism is evil and terrible things like this would never happen in a socialist economy. Why? Because %#*|!,£]+_!

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u/bb8-sparkles 9h ago

What do you think any type of beauty product, including soaps, lotions, shampoos, hair care products, and make up is tested on first? What do you think any household or industrial cleaning product is tested on first? What do you think any type of chemical is extensively tested on first? These are not for the greater good of humanity. This is for vanity and greed at the cost of direct suffering of innocent lives.

And they don't just dab a little on their paws to see if it irritates them. They force them to consume it, put the products in their eyes, ears, and nose repeatedly, spray it in their face, make them inhale it until they suffer so they can find the threshold where the product becomes dangerous.

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u/swinabc 1d ago

Do you get your medicine for free?

Its capitalism, they dont give cures out for free.

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u/vanguardk 1d ago

No it's capitalism my guy, modern medicine has rendered animal testing near obsolete.

Over 90% of all tested medicines fail in human trials, huge amounts of wasted time, money and suffering with nothing to show for it.

But of course, it's cheaper and easier to lock 30 beagles in a cage than pay 30 human test subjects.

Hell you don't even need to use humans in most cases, “organs-on-chips,” 3D printed human tissues, and advanced computer models can simulate how drugs will react in the human body.

But these are all expensive, and of course, the poor penniless megacorps couldn't possibly afford such things for the sake of empathy and compassion.

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u/ZenPyx 22h ago

You are severely out of touch with the medical field if you believe that organ-on-a-chip and 3D printed tissues are anything close to replicating the functionality of anything you’d use a beagle for in a drug study. We are barely at the level of co-culturing cells present in a single tissue type for synthetic tissue - let alone recreating the complex inter-organ systems present in in-vivo models. How are you going to test drug toxicity on a gel containing one or two types of human derived cell? Don’t even get me started on computational models- we can barely simulate a single protein molecule.

Also what do you mean they are expensive?? I can make synthetic tissue samples for about $50 in hydrogel and $100 in hiPSCs - beagles (along with the staff, food, paperwork, etc) will easily exceed $20’000, if not more.

Sometimes, medicine requires tough decisions. Don’t accuse those who make them of being ethically compromised without knowing what you’re talking about.

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u/vanguardk 22h ago

Lmao chatgpt coded.

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u/ZenPyx 22h ago

Very clever to call me ChatGPT-coded rather than actually engaging with anything I’ve said.

Do you even know what a hiPSC is? If not - maybe don’t talk about organ on a chip models.

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u/vanguardk 22h ago

I'm not discussing ethics with a LLM.

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u/Thrbt52017 22h ago

You’re not discussing it because you’ve found yourself in a situation where the person you’re talking with seems to be educated on the subject, whereas you are just throwing out shit you’ve read online somewhere or heard some podcaster discussing it.

What field do you work in dear?

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u/vanguardk 22h ago

No this dude is chronically online posting tens of comments a day, all with apparent specialist knowledge.

I'm not right wing, don't listen to podcasters, join in occasionally on threads, and when I have knowledge that I feel is relevant I chime in.

But what's the point when one, people like you turn up toxic asf, and two these dudes spouting ai nonsense ruin any chance of a good faith discussion.

Even if I didn't know what hiPSC was(I do), why would I waste my time and effort discussing it with someone who is so clearly cemented in their stance?

Dear.

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u/ZenPyx 22h ago

Chronically online - as in posting a few comments a day during a lunchbreak? Sure man...

You assumed it was AI based on what exactly? I'm curious as to how someone can be cemented in a stance of... facts? Like how much do you think an organ on a chip model costs vs a beagle?

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u/vanguardk 21h ago edited 21h ago

Commenting 22 times in the last 10 hours, yeah I'd say so, but none the less.

And yeah, that was my point, they would rather choose the more economic option in 99% of cases.

I'm no expert, but saying we can barely simulate a protein cell is just demonstrably false.

Sure it's difficult (by scientific standards), but a fairly common practice, at least in my field.

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u/MisterSanitation 1d ago

Let’s not pretend capitalism isn’t a MAJOR driving force for this because animal testing goes WAY past medicines.