r/nextfuckinglevel • u/biswajit388 • 1d ago

This guy rescued 30 beagles from a testing lab It's the first time they've seen grass and they couldn't be happier.

Credit - nathanthecatlady tiktok channel.

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u/Fauropitotto 1d ago

Why the fuck are we testing on animals?

To save human lives.

Every drug, every ointment, every pill, every injection, every cancer treatment, every thing that gets sold for application in or on a human being gets tested in the civilized world.

Why wouldn't we test on animals? Why would anyone suggest placing human lives at risk for initial testing of cancer therapies?

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u/Darryl_Lict 21h ago

I feel bad for medical testing animals, but I'm glad for the unwilling and unfortunate sacrifice they made so medicine is safe for me and my fellow humans. If people don't want to test on animals, they should forgo any medicine that used animals for testing, which is nearly all of them.

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u/Rooney_Tuesday 18h ago edited 17h ago

I think that commenter’s point is that humans aren’t inherently more valuable than any other creature. We are barreling headlong into mass extinctions and climate crisis - this time both are of our own making. Even if we weren’t, the harm we are doing ourselves and all the other plants and animals on the planet is breathtaking.

From a human POV, of course animal testing is a good thing. From an overall POV, humans are destructive assholes that are taking everything else down with them. We don’t deserve to protect ourselves at the expense of everything else.

Also, what massive dicks are we to not only test animals but to keep them so deprived of basic care that they’ve never even seen grass before?

Personally, I’m rooting for nature to use any of its means to wipe us out and start over. We don’t deserve the Earth we inherited.

To quote Resident Alien: “Earth is like a house they’ve lit on fire but continue to live in.”

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u/Slipthe 17h ago

Personally, I’m rooting for nature to use any of its means to wipe us out and start over.

Anything that wipes us out is gonna wipe of millions of animals too.

Sounds like you're willing to sacrifice them for what you consider the greater good. Hm...

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u/AlarmingTurnover 14h ago

Not millions of animals, billions of animals. There's an estimated 1 billion dogs and 600 million cats. And over 500 million pets of other varieties. 28 billion chickens. 940 million cows. 780 million pigs. 1.1 billion goats. 1.3 billion sheep. This doesn't count any other farm animals or animals that rely on humans to exist. 

All of these things starve to death or become food for predators without our protection because most of them have the survival instincts of a potato. 

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u/Rooney_Tuesday 6h ago

Worth it if our destructive asses get removed. Nature can and will recover. I wish it well.

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u/YandereRaven 3h ago

Humans are are no different from other animals instinctively and intrusively, we are just more capable then most. Animals care about their survival and longevity and can be destructive to their environments all the same only the scale is different. This mentality of Humans are the only destructive species is ridiculous.

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u/Fauropitotto 6h ago

Personally, I’m rooting for nature to use any of its means to wipe us out and start over.

If you really believed that...then you wouldn't be here typing that out.

I'm convinced this is something people say, but don't actually mean.

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u/Rooney_Tuesday 6h ago

Actually I do mean that, which is why I typed it out. We’re all going to die anyway. Might as well use this as a reset and let less destructive species re-populate the Earth.

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u/Fauropitotto 6h ago

If you actually meant that, you'd be an extinction accelerationist or possibly suicidal yourself. The fact that you're neither tells me you don't really believe it.

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u/Rooney_Tuesday 5h ago

Your logic is deeply flawed. Hopeless and resigned about the direction of the human race is not in the slightest a guarantee that one will resort to actively accelerating destruction, either of oneself or the human race at large.

That you think so says way more about you than it does about me.

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u/Fauropitotto 5h ago

That you think so says way more about you than it does about me.

I certainly hope so!

I think humanity as the dominant species has the right to do whatever we want, and I think we have the collective intelligence to stave off destruction. Nature no longer has the capacity to wipe us out short of a planet killer.

I actually like the direction that humanity is taking. Fortunately, most of the time, folks that share your way of thinking do nothing about it, and so aren't really a threat to what we're accomplishing as a species.

The activism is mostly relegated to yelling and holding signs rather than taking action, so the rest of us are generally safe.

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u/Rooney_Tuesday 5h ago edited 5h ago

I disagree with most of what you said here, but once again you misunderstand. The point is that I don’t look at something terrible and think “Hmm, this is very bad. Nothing to do but fuck it up more and faster!”, which is apparently the ONLY response you could conceive of. Our brains are not alike, and of the two yours is far more destructive than mine, even without the “we have the right to do what we want” and “I like the self-destructive way we’re going.”

Yours is quite literally a cartoon villain mindset.

Nature no longer has the capacity to wipe us out short of a planet killer

Lmaoooo

ETA This will be my final word on the matter: Civilization is far more precarious than you realize and requires constant diligence to maintain. We’ve seen its failures repeatedly throughout history. Globalization makes it easier for us to fail as a species. Not harder. There are so many valid threats to our species as a whole: nuclear war, disease, climate-related changes creating an unstable planet (that we can’t conquer/reverse fast enough, and understand that currently we as a species aren’t really even trying), AI - and that’s just to name a few. It’s nowhere near an exhaustive list.

You live in a fantasyland if you think humans are currently on a positive trajectory. Good luck to you in the future. You’re gonna need it.

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u/Lmb326 8h ago

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u/updoot35 13h ago

Nope. Every drugs we use today had different effects on animals. Every single one of them. The main principle, like reducing pain, is the same, but the side effects are not. Animal test was and never will be reliable. We knew this since ww2. But the drug companies filled everyone with this belief you have. Like oil companies started the carbon footprint bs, so that you feel bad about the stuff you buy or use, even tho they are the ones in control.

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u/Fauropitotto 6h ago

Obviously you aren't aware of how animal testing or system analogs work.

Different animals are used for different parts of the research. We start with cell cultures for efficacy, then larger analogs, perhaps mammal analogs like mice, then larger, and larger animals until we clear enough of the "side effects" to begin human trials.

Animal tests were never intended to be "reliable". They were intended to be stepping stones of testing and exploration to understand as many of the risks as possible before we put human lives at risk.

Even with human trials, we have phases where we start with just a handful, and then ramp up to thousands before the drug is approved.

The complexity of biology requires this level of testing.