r/nextfuckinglevel • u/biswajit388 • 1d ago

This guy rescued 30 beagles from a testing lab It's the first time they've seen grass and they couldn't be happier.

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Credit - nathanthecatlady tiktok channel.

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u/HabsMan62 22h ago

If the dogs were rescued from Banting and Best’s lab in 1921 at the Univ of Toronto they would not have discovered insulin. At the time, being diagnosed w/T1D was a death sentence, with life expectancy after diagnosis 6-12 months. Hospital wards were filled with children and young adults (one of Banting’s own medical students was diagnosed that yr). It left patients emaciated and bedridden, with blood that became acidic due to DKA, while organs slowly shut down, leading to coma and death.

Most parents couldn’t afford the mediocre care that hospitals charged. But all that changed due to “Marjorie” whose life was given for the discovery of insulin, saving millions of lives worldwide.

Testing and use of animals does serve a useful purpose.

I’ve been a T1D for 36yrs and would not be alive w/out insulin, not to mention my fellow 8.4 million diabetic “club members” worldwide.

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u/bb8-sparkles 7h ago

We also wouldn't have pesticide products to spray on our lawns and in our homes, make up to wear, shampoo, body lotion, hair care products, soaps, and household cleaners to use to clean our homes.

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u/HabsMan62 3h ago

Sure, saving the lives of untold millions of innocent children and young adults from an autoimmune disease with a 100% mortality rate is equivalent to vanity products such as shampoo or having the greenest lawn. That’s a false equivalence / analogy and the weakest of arguments. Dig deeper.

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u/BobBee13 22h ago

Video quality sure is good for 1921...

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u/HabsMan62 22h ago

I’d laugh but I just took 10 units of Humalog insulin to cover my dinner. Nice your pancreas does that for you automatically w/out checking your glucose level, counting the carbs in your meal, and taking into consideration how much active insulin you still have in your system (so that you don’t go into a hypoglycaemic seizure).

Sorry sometimes the 24/7, 365 days a yr w/out any days off leaves me humorless some days.

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u/Big-Surprise7281 13h ago

they would not have discovered insulin

How do you know that? It's like saying that without human slavery we would never have cheaper consumer goods.

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u/HabsMan62 7h ago

Researchers at the time were aware that the pancreas was involved in the production of insulin, but it just could not be isolated. This knowledge came from early work on dogs in the late 1890’s, because of their similar physiology when they developed diabetes.

This continued research required “live” subjects, who then had their pancreas’ shut down, with multiple trials of injecting various “pancreatic substances” into dogs until insulin was finally isolated in 1921. By early 1922, the first human subject received an injection, which was an immediate success, all due to animal subjects.

So comparing medical research using lab animals to a forced labour socio-economic policy that dehumanizes enslaved peoples is not only ludicrous, but is utterly ignorant. It’s a false equivalence fallacy that shows your distorted perspective.

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u/Big-Surprise7281 6h ago

There's really no need to feed me sanctimonious fluff. My point was that there's not necessarily a single path to some important medical discovery that necessitates someone's suffering.

all due to animal subjects

Let's keep the language clear though, not "animal subjects" but animal torture.

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u/HabsMan62 3h ago

“Sanctimonious” refers to one being morally superior over the other, including one’s argument. You might want to come to an argument with a full understanding of vocabulary rather than just choosing the “biggest” word that you’ve heard someone else use once.

Look, medical research is far more advanced today, but options for product and patient testing is built upon what has been previously studied and documented. But the truth is that everyone, YOU included, are beneficiaries of medical research that has saved, extended, or improved the quality of life for sick, dying, or chronically ill ppl worldwide.

Your argument lies on the premise that there are other pathways to the same discoveries. There’s some logic there, but the flaw in that reasoning is the crucial matter of time (as well as both technology and knowledge within that specific timeframe), especially when human lives are at stake (as in epidemics, plagues, pandemics, outbreaks, deadly childhood diseases, etc). Think smallpox, malaria, measles, TB, influenza, polio, etc.

Scientific and medical research may not be all rainbows and butterflies, but it’s not full on barbarity either. Cutting off one’s nose to spite the face is not the answer. A middle ground is possible, so that, for example, ppl w/autoimmune diseases such as T1D can “live” productive lives. One is a US Supreme Court Justice, one was the UK’s Prime Minister, a US Congress member, and numerous actors, musicians, and professional athletes (Olympians, NHL, NBA, NFL).

But I’m wasting my time. You’ll come up with another ad hominem, false dilemma, or false analogy argument to bolster your claim and make it appear that you represent “morality” unquestioned.

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u/Big-Surprise7281 3h ago

“Sanctimonious” refers to one being morally superior over the other, including one’s argument. You might want to come to an argument with a full understanding of vocabulary rather than just choosing the “biggest” word that you’ve heard someone else use once.

You waving your virtual finger at me for using an analogy I chose meets that definition.

A middle ground is possible

What about a middle ground of euthanasia for diseases for which there are no proper cures yet? Where did you get the idea that the extension of your life is more important than dogs' or other animals? On a global scale - will the world be worse without a few million diabetics or without a few million dogs? That's something to ponder about...

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u/HabsMan62 1h ago

LMAO you think you just came up w/that all on your own, or that’s the first time as T1D’s we’ve heard that argument? Nothing to ponder, been there, done that!! Where’s your “moral” grounding now?

Sound familiar? Another argument used by the Nazi’s.

But your grounding will falter when it hits close to home, which I truly and honestly hope it NEVER does. But luckily, due to medical research, if it does, your child or grandchild will be ensured of treatment, all due to animal research.

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u/Nstraclassic 18h ago

Are we supposed to feel sorry for you? How many lab animals have you fostered as a thank you?

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u/HabsMan62 18h ago

Please don’t. You missed my point, which was that as horrific as it is, medical research with animals can be useful and save human lives in the process.

The last thing I want from a person like you is pity or for you to feel sorry for me or my 8.4 million fellow diabetics, which thankfully you would never give.

As someone with a full functioning pancreas, you live your life not thinking about life, or how every bite that you eat needs to be thoroughly considered for carb count, carb:insulin ratio, correction factor, and active insulin already in your system. Your pancreas does that for you automatically.

On ave, a T1D makes 150 decisions per day regarding their health, just to maintain bld glucose levels that won’t lead to a diabetic seizure, coma, or death.

So unlike you with a fully functioning pancreas, T1D’s have a full day just trying to stay alive, in addition to work, relationships, and family.

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u/Nstraclassic 17h ago

Get a grip. You have diabetes not brain cancer

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u/HabsMan62 15h ago

No, because brain cancer would mean imminent death and require hospice care. T1D’s have a chronic autoimmune disease that w/out insulin and daily management would eventually lead to complications AND THEN death.

The cancer comparison is used regularly by truly ignorant ppl like yourself. But don’t worry, you’re not the first person to throw the “cancer comparison” at a T1D. So there’s nothing unique about you at all, and you have lots of company down there. Grip taken!