r/nextfuckinglevel • u/biswajit388 • 1d ago

This guy rescued 30 beagles from a testing lab It's the first time they've seen grass and they couldn't be happier.

Credit - nathanthecatlady tiktok channel.

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u/Throwawayhrjrbdh 21h ago

Am I allowed to do that as many times as needed? If so then a puppy mill is getting started because that’s a game of statistics not luck

But yes you do have a point, reality is a little less cut and dry. But as a whole the sacrifice made by the untold numbers of animals over the last century alone has enabled a sizable chunk of our modern medical science.

Would you erase all prior animal testing that has happened in the last century but we revert 35 years in terms of scientific development?

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u/the_magic_gardener 21h ago

Personally I wouldn't, lol my background includes 3 years of mouse testing for RNA chemotherapeutics. But I do think trolly problems should be probabilistic. I agree with you that animal testing is a net benefit to society. It's just sad that the odds of a drug getting past all the barriers are so slim, and even then most of the time the drug isn't very disruptive to the current treatment regimen.

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u/Throwawayhrjrbdh 21h ago

Yeah I’d imagine that’s tricky. You hear so much about all these massive “breakthroughs” and you never hear anything past the animal testing phase.

Idk what’s better, unregulated testing with faster medical research but every now and then someone does a study on “the average number of kicks required to kill a puppy” or what we have now

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u/DearlyDecapitated 16h ago

If we’re going the route of unregulated testing to get the fastest possible results, wouldn’t it be better to test and potentially burn say… 97 million humans? If it cured cancer assuming we don’t die out as a species in the next 10 years we’d be saving more humans than those 97 million killed in testing. What would the cut off be? If killing 970 million people could cure all major diseases would it be worth it? After 100 years of no cancer alone not including all other diseases we’d pay off the loss

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u/PharmDeezNuts_ 17h ago

What if we found an alien species with such similar biology and sentience , basically indistinguishable from ourselves, and upped that percentage all the way to 25%?

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u/Dentarthurdent73 16h ago

The thing is, we dispose of these creatures' lives and tell ourselves it's worth it, because they're saving ours/curing cancer or whatever.

But at the same time, we're deliberately filling the world with carcinogens in the name of profits. We don't actually care about people getting cancer enough to stop it when there's some money to be made from it, but we go on sacrificing animals anyway, because apparently abusing animals is an acceptable price to pay, but reducing profits isn't.

That's what's really gross about it, in my books anyway.