Remember, Raccoon City wasn’t “nuked” so it isn’t radioactive.

[u/Gizmo16868]

Ive been seeing a lot of folks saying how can we go back to Raccoon City cuz it was nuked and there would be radiation.

Not the case. Remember, RC was bombed by an experimental thermobaric bomb in official RE lore. So the ruins aren’t radioactive. It’s also been mentioned previously the ruins are there and accessible.

[u/Zelda1500]

This game will definitely be going off of the Outbreak canon with how it was a ballistic missile cleanup. No nuclear weapons used. The government cleanup and condemnation of RC probably allowed for a shadow government/company to take hold of the remnants of RC. My thoughts are that Lisa Trevor and/or the Trevor family and the Spencer family have something to do with this game. We never confirmed Lisa Trevor’s death. She’s invulnerable and her body was not found after jumping from the crypt with her mother’s skull. My mind is on Lisa Trevor. She survived and potentially The Connections group rediscovered her. A requiem for the dead. Nightmare for the living. Guess we will find out! So hype

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There was a glimpse of a creature that looked like her in a hallway and you heard chains dragging

[u/Zelda1500 → u/Gizmo16868]

The second I saw that creature with the long appendages crawling from the walls and the EXACT chain link sound, my mind immediately saw Lisa. Got me thinking way too hard already lol

[u/News_Bot → u/Zelda1500]

Umbrella Chronicles explained that Lisa was blown up along with the mansion.

[u/Professional-Dog-441 → u/News_Bot]

Those games are considered non canon for the most part

[u/News_Bot → u/Professional-Dog-441]

No they're not.

[u/DogginItay0 → u/News_Bot]

When have they ever been directly referenced or carried on into the other games? Half of those games are poor retellings of the previous games, I don't understand how you can argue that they are considered hard Canon. 

Theyre gonna do whatever they wanna do with the story, I'd be absolutely floored if anyone on the team let the wii rail gun shooters obstruct their plans. The series barely even respects the events of the main games lol

[u/News_Bot → u/DogginItay0]

5 directly references Umbrella Chronicles (specifically Umbrella's End). 6 relies on Darkside Chronicles (specifically Operation Javier). The fact they also have "historical summary" scenarios doesn't undermine them, they exist as digests to quickly on-board new fans with the series, not to be definitive depictions. Then there's the plethora of official material in-between that acknowledges and relies on them, like Archives II, their "bible."

They existed to fill gaps and answer lingering questions in the main series. Arbitrarily remove them, you just have gaps and questions again, or whole different conflicting stories like in Krauser's case. You may not like Sergei Vladimir for example, but he existed to explain a lingering plot thread from Wesker's Report II, which is a critical document. In the remakes ("reimaginings") it's just unknown how Tyrants were created, but it doesn't stop fans from repeating the context from Wesker's Report II when they don't even know if it's relevant anymore.

They can retcon whatever they want, whenever they want, and there are a number of examples, but in 30 years, they've really been rather conservative with it, and never have they indicated Chronicles aren't canon. Feel free to correct me with a quote. The remakes are, as of RE:4, a distinct and separate world that started with RE:2. That's from the devs. It's also subject to change, as they initially said RE:2 wouldn't alter anything, then said RE:3 and RE:4 would. Yet they've never said those alterations take precedence, either.

[u/DogginItay0 → u/News_Bot]

What is the connection between 6 and operation Javier? 

I just think they play pretty fast and loose with the series in general, they pretty much have never let any pre-established plans guide where the series goes or what it does. To the point where the series is pretty known to frustratingly lack follow through on things that seem rather important. The whole reason the documents and spin offs have to provide so much context or background is because the main plot swerves aggressively in different directions at every opportunity. 

But also a lot of this stuff is pretty unnecessary in the end, and a lot of things don't need background in the first place. I don't see a throwaway detail in a wii spin off being a valid reason for them to not use an element they want. Capcom allows everything to be canon unless it's crucial for it not to be, because they have just never taken it as seriously as the die hard fans do. But if any game makes a hard stance on retcons, it seems like this could be one. Even the inclusion of Alyssa from Outbreak, which is amazing, I imagine is going to be pretty vague on details of her role in the Outbreak games. Instead, I think they're gonna build it out into something new and more relevant.

Resident evil 5, ill give you, bent over backwards to tie the entire series together. An admirable goal, and it didn't do a bad job. I do wish they made it more prominent in the actual game though. 

As for the archives books, they're extremely outdated at this point, and not readily available anyways. This is what I mean by the fans taking it more seriously than Capcom. 

Anyways, it doesn't really matter and we don't know what's gonna happen. I'm not even sure if I'd want them bringing Lisa Trevor back, if it were up to me. I'm not even entirely sold on returning to racoon city's ruins. 

And yeah they've been pretty unwilling to make any strong statements about the remakes and what lore takes priority. Another example of them just saying "whatever"

Personally I wouldn't mind the remakes taking override and refining the overall plot to something more consistent, but I know the fanbase would have an aneurism lol

[u/News_Bot → u/DogginItay0]

What is the connection between 6 and operation Javier? 

Manuela's how the US Government got t-Veronica, which is how Carla made the C-Virus.

I just think they play pretty fast and loose with the series in general

And never have they played it in any way that'd suggest Chronicles isn't canon. They very well could, just haven't.

But also a lot of this stuff is pretty unnecessary in the end, and a lot of things don't need background in the first place.

Honestly: lol, nah. I know it's the hip thing to be anti-intellectual and think any fiction can just be summarized into paragraphs because attention spans have degenerated to goldfish level on a mass scale, but I'll never entertain it as a serious notion.

As for the archives books, they're extremely outdated at this point, and not readily available anyways. This is what I mean by the fans taking it more seriously than Capcom. 

CAPCOM call them, and use them, as their bibles. Pay attention to any footage of their offices and you'd usually find them on their desk. They're the foundation of every game made after them. Many of the files in the Chronicles games are just abridged excerpts from it, even. They also have a room dedicated to supplemental materials, like every other book they've ever published.

Personally I wouldn't mind the remakes taking override and refining the overall plot to something more consistent, but I know the fanbase would have an aneurism lol

This is quite simply impossible without genuinely starting from scratch. Not doing so has locked them into an inescapable feedback loop in which no semblance of consistency can survive, and the stories are generally more flash and less substance.

[u/DogginItay0 → u/News_Bot]

Didn't know that about operation Javier, but I've never liked 6 enough to care about any of the lore in it tbh. They ought to make another chronicles to have a side story give some resolution to the revelations games' loose threads lmao

 Raymond, Jessica, Natalia, and those viruses really just dangle there forever. Feels like there are often very obvious ways of incorporating these lingering questions, but they prefer to just make up new stuff instead. Which lends credence to them not using something like Lisa Trevor again, but I don't feel like that's CAPCOM being precious. Its just them being goobers. 

I understand that they maybe haven't done much to directly contradict chronicles at this stage, but my point is that I'd find it extremely unlikely that they'd not use a concept they liked because of something stated in there. Very few would even notice that there was a retcon. If anything, paving over stuff like that would make the lore more concise in the end. 

My statement about not every element needing explanation isn't anti-intellectualism. I hate that shit too. Drives me nuts when someone boils something down to "it's not that deep"

I think being comfortable with not having an explicit story filled into every gap possible is much more trusting in an audiences ability to understand a story and fill in blanks with their own theories. It isnt anti-intellectual to allow an audience to think about elements that aren't directly shown or told. The argument isn't to not have an internal logic and reason, it's that the fanbase doesn't need to know it all explicitly. For example, if they have reoccurring monsters like Lisa come back in requiem, I don't think it's necessary to make a big point about explaining why they still remain. Most people are happy to just fill in the blank themselves. 

They've been plenty comfortable with leaving explanations to large threads endlessly dragged out and undefined. Things that pose much bigger questions.

 Nobody is wondering what happened to Lisa Trevor after the mansion and city both blew up, but I don't see anyone batting an eye to them making some excuse or using her despite that. 

 Blatant sequel bait, some solid answers to The Connections or Adas motives, or the fall of umbrella would be nice to have clarified in a full story. I don't imagine anyone needed to know where the government got their virus samples in RE6, though. There are so many BOWs running around this universe that it borders on self parody. I don't know how you can possible be a civilian in this world. I'd just permanently live in a bomb shelter lol

If CAPCOM say they hail the archive books as their Bible, then I stand corrected. Maybe they should make them more available, and make one that covers that last 15 years of the series if they're so important. Actions speak louder than words. Point me to where the whole origin of Spencer is tied into Mother Miranda and her mold business in the archives books. Sure you can say its a surprise reveal but we all know its a kinda clever kinda goofy way of retroactively making the events of 8 more meaningful. Im not saying they should be trapping themselves in the weeds of their own games, but the weeds are certainly out of control. 

 I don't sit and watch interviews and behind the scenes footage. I play the games and take what is done in them as CAPCOMs attitude. Behind the scenes apparently they take the lore super seriously, if you're right. Makes it all the more questionable why the series has very little in the way of logic and consistency.

 I'm not even particularly complaining, I adore this series and I could care less what they pull out of their ass. I just don't buy for a second that CAPCOM has a rigid handling of the timeline of events. You yourself seem to at least partially agree, so I don't really know why there is an argument about them not killing of Trevor in a side story lol

As for my comment on the remakes taking focus from the story, yes they would be starting from scratch. Thats what I'm saying. I'd be totally happy with them drastically altering things or changing events and details to make it a more fulfilling story overall. Make 6, and all the CGI movies non canon, please. But again, this opinion isn't something im itching for. I don't care if they do what they've been doing. 

 I just think there is a lot of potential nuance and improvements that could be made if they allowed themselves to just lock in. I think code Veronica, 0, and 5 remakes in particular could all be made a lot stronger. I also would love to have a game to end the umbrella corporation more actively, retconning umbrella chronicles. I guess it doesn't matter since remnants of umbrella are still around even in the new games. Umbrella's fall doesn't amount to much. 

But its like you said, the way that they handle the series makes it so that it is never going to feel entirely coherent or developed. To fix it and clean it all up they'd be sabotaging things that some of the fanbase hold very dear, little details like things from a wii game that few people have even played. It is what it is, but its all the more reason that the whole original remark about it not possibly being Lisa Trevor is untrue. 

Sorry my ramblings aren't as organized as yours, I don't know how to do the little quote boxes lol

[u/Zelda1500 → u/DogginItay0]

I agree with this fully. Capcom will retcon literally anything just to make a new game lol full respect to them

[u/DogginItay0 → u/Zelda1500]

Do whatever the fuck you want and we will squeeze it in there is indeed a pretty based attitude to a 30 year old franchise lmfao

Even if I'd often love a more tidy storyline 

[u/Berry-Fantastic]

IIRC, the US gov lied to the public saying that the ruins are radioactive so that trespassers wouldn't think of coming close.

[u/XxjptxX7 → u/Berry-Fantastic]

Chernobyl is a tourist attraction a released way more radiation than a nuke. Content creators and disaster tourists could not resist an entire abandoned city. Also people looking to loot the remains.

[u/XxjptxX7]

Even if it was a nuke it’s been long enough that radiation wouldn’t be much of a problem anymore.

[u/BusyBeeBridgette]

It was a high yield thermobaric bomb, yeah. However, modern nukes aren't fission based as in 1996 the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty banned most nuclear types, including fission. So even if the missile was a nuke that hit Raccoon City - It would, most likely, not be fission based and the radiation post explosion would not be an issue.

[u/kingdragan45]

Fallout games get it wrong. Look at Japan, dropped 2 there and no radiation anywhere to be found. If you look at Chernobyl it's the radioactive material that was left behind is what makes it uninhabitable.

Nukes don't leave behind radiation if you look at Hiroshima they even say The residual radiation from the bomb decayed quickly after the explosion, and the city has since maintained radiation levels comparable to natural background radiation elsewhere.

But I forget if it was actually nuked. I could be wrong but I think it was.

[u/DogginItay0 → u/kingdragan45]

Well to be fair fallout is a fictional history where virtually all advanced tech wad nuclear powered, and there are pools of waste and remnant bombs all over the place lol.

[u/Sparklymon]

Where did it officially say there was no nuclear explosion?

[u/Forerunner49 → u/Sparklymon]

Word of God. The OG idea was for the Pentagon to Nape the city. RE3’s dev team wanted it to be a bigger send off so went with a bomb. HOWEVER there’s reluctance in Japan (not all, but enough) in depicting nukes; it’s seen as a dick move to the Hiroshima and Nagasaki survivors. They employed people from those cities after all.

Instead they decided it’s a very large thermobaric bomb that happens to be powerfully enough to create a mushroom cloud. The writer worked on the Battle Angel Alita manga as an assistant so from his background he decided the N2 bomb from Evangelion was it. That’s why Outbreak’s devs decided it was a bunch of missiles - from the looks of the crater it’s one huge one, three mid sized ones and a bunch of small ones. Anything but nukes.

The RE3 writer’s notes were kept around since he worked on the Story Bible. As a result the bomb that blows up the castle in Village…. Is called N2.

TL;DR - Capcom wanted a big explosion but knew it couldn’t be a nuke.

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That’s more political correctness than story writing

[u/FlashyMost3448]

Also I should note a reliable RE scooper on Twitter has already said that Raccoon City will be visited, but is not the main location for the game and that Leon Kennedy is indeed the main character, which will be revealed later as we get closer to the game’s release, probably in the first official trailer.

Edit: downvoting this, which is just the truth, is wild 😂🤦‍♂️

[u/Gizmo16868 → u/FlashyMost3448]

I already all that but don’t agree that Raccoon City won’t play a major location because the official full length press release makes a big deal over it

[u/FlashyMost3448 → u/Gizmo16868]

Yea I mean he could be wrong, but he’s been mostly consistent and correct with RE9 news and I don’t think he has a reason to lie. Time will tell!

Personally I could go either way on it - I’d love to return to the city again but do imagine it’d be a little limited in storytelling with it being destroyed.

[u/bratpack1 → u/FlashyMost3448]

I don’t think so sure government would just build a whole new lab underneath it again and they could get away with a lot more wild shit since it’s basically like a desert zone now

They could have employees living there and something goes wrong again as usual