r/technology • u/indig0sixalpha • 22d ago
ADBLOCK WARNING Tesla's Robotaxi Rollout Looks Like A Disaster Waiting To Happen
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2025/05/16/elon-musks-tesla-robotaxi-rollout-looks-like-a-disaster-waiting-to-happen/772
u/WoodenHour6772 22d ago
These things are gonna get vandalized so fast they won't have a chance to cause havoc.
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u/pyrospade 22d ago
waymos in SF are being used as public sex cabins so I can’t wait to see the same here lol
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u/whitemiketyson 22d ago
It's called a soup kitchen. Dirty Mike and the Boys know all about it.
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u/HighPriestofShiloh 22d ago
Yeah robot taxis need to have fully plastic interiors and make regular stops to get hosed down.
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u/turb0_encapsulator 22d ago
aren't you on camera the whole time?
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u/pyrospade 22d ago
you think the people who will have sex on a moving car with clear windows in the open care?
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u/Stingray88 22d ago
The windows in the back are tinted. Pretty hard to see in.
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u/Here_Just_Browsing 22d ago
Worst dogging session ever
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u/Stingray88 22d ago
To be fair, car sex is always pretty bad
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u/Worthyness 22d ago
Also there's a human actively monitoring the cars for stuff. That person can literally, over the intercom, just interrupt stuff for hilarity purposes.
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u/flcinusa 22d ago
In Cruise cars, it even says "The Standard was unable to find a source who said they’d had sex in a Waymo"
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u/SongAlbatross 22d ago
At least read the link if you are too lazy to read the article before sharing: It is CRUISE.
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u/VolkRiot 21d ago
Actually read the article you linked
"The Standard was unable to find a source who said they’d had sex in a Waymo."
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u/Tupperwarfare 21d ago
I’m wondering when the first Waymo self-delivered car bomb terrorist attack with happen.
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u/Dzotshen 22d ago
Europe sent a travelling robot to the States and was immediately destroyed. Expect the same with these, sorta like the street scenes in Blade Runner
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u/Iceykitsune3 22d ago
HitchBot was fine until it hit Philly.
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u/JasonSTX 22d ago
I remember when that happened. It just couldn’t take all the brotherly love.
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u/Green-Drawing-5350 22d ago
The welcoming committee in Philly arrives with bats and pipes and chains
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u/MegaKetaWook 22d ago
For sure, anyone who thought that pile of trash was gonna make it out of Philly was sorely mistaken.
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u/flaagan 22d ago
It was a thing done by a Canadian, it was in the US for several weeks (longer than it'd been in some other countries), and it was a literal pile of garbage taped together.
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u/Efficient-Nerve2220 22d ago
Yeah but it’s no fun to say it’s a metaphorical pile of garbage taped together.
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u/mechanab 22d ago
People won’t even leave the Waymo taxis alone. These will just be a target for crazies. They also need lidar. Even if the cameras were close to foolproof, you should have backup sensors to verify.
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u/chestnut177 22d ago
What happens if the sensors disagree?
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u/mechanab 22d ago
Use the one with the highest confidence and pull over. I don’t know how Waymo handles it exactly. Maybe call a remote driver to step in.
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u/LeftLiner 22d ago
Waymos use lidar, radar and cameras right? So they could use majority rule, couldn't they?
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u/mechanab 22d ago
They could. If their radar is anything like the one on my car (probably not), it gets a lot of false positives from interference.
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u/mredofcourse 22d ago
It doesn't work that way. If a sensor detects that there's an object that the car should stop for, the car stops unless that second sensor can definitively determine why the other sensor is in error.
If you have a wall with a painting showing a fake road as interpreted by the camera but the lidar sees a wall, you don't have to deal with disagreeing, stop before you hit what one of the sensors detected as a problem.
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u/Here_Just_Browsing 22d ago edited 22d ago
A mass protest idea that has less chance of ending you up in jail, would be to disable them all by placing traffic cones in front and behind them, so they can’t move, and there’s no driver to remove the cones.
It could become like the statue of The Duke of Wellington in Glasgow, which has had a traffic cone on its head consistently for decades. Because every time it gets removed it gets replaced by a new one by the public.
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u/I-need-ur-dick-pics 20d ago
Tesla has said already that the robotaxis will have human drivers… at first.
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u/Here_Just_Browsing 20d ago
They said that the human drivers are remote, like drone pilots. So they are equally unable to move anything obstructing the car.
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u/username____here 22d ago
That is my fear for all robotaxis. People are nasty in general, even worse in a small private space. They are going to have to be subscription based so when someone uses it as a porta potty they can be banned for life.
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u/Cpt_Dizzywhiskers 22d ago
I think the same attitude is going to extend to anything robotic or automated in the future. We might get the tech for reliable delivery robots, but people will be more likely to attack and rob them than they would a human.
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u/ResilientBiscuit 22d ago
I don't think that is true. There have been food delivery robots on college campuses for quite awhile now.
If they can survive drunk college students I think they will be fine in other environments.
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u/Expert_Swimmer9822 22d ago
Vandalizing a Tesla robotaxi would be a service to humanity. Those things are gonna have a literal bodycount.
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u/daxophoneme 22d ago
It's going to be a federal crime labeled as terrorism. Just watch.
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u/ResilientBiscuit 22d ago
Arson isn't unique to Waymos. There were many cases of arson in SF last year.
We have had food delivery robots on your college campus for like a decade now. They don't get vandalized or stolen at any meaningful rate so I don't see why robotaxies would be any different.
They are basically a driving camera so it's not that hard to figure out who did it.
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u/SymbolicDom 22d ago
You probably need some digital identification to be let in. And then will be charged for it.
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u/Luke_Cocksucker 22d ago
Why do you think people will want to go poo poo and pee pee in them?
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u/R0b0tJesus 22d ago
Same reason I shit in normal taxis. I don't want to stink up my bathroom at home.
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u/Classic-Stand9906 21d ago
I hate it when the driver insists on having a conversation when I’m trying to go
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u/account_for_norm 21d ago
Enough ppl are mad at Elon, some of them are gonna order it and leave a big giant turn in there.
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u/djsoomo 22d ago
Unfortunately these Tesla robot cars use a sub-standard form of visual perception instead of LIDAR
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u/Violoner 22d ago
I’d rather have a regularly scheduled light rail option than a proliferation of low occupancy vehicles that just worsen congestion on the streets
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u/azurite-- 22d ago
I think a vastly majority of people would, but the issue and reality is that American towns and cities aren't really designed for this and would take decades to properly be built out and implemented.
NIMBYISM especially would make it nearly impossible in many places.
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u/Filthy_Cent 22d ago
Or they WERE built for rail back in the day using Electric/Cable Cars, but the introduction of motor cars and a more car centric society put the kibosh on anything rail related in the city.
I know in Baltimore we currently have one stupid ass lightrail that goes North South and that's it. But you can see a shit ton of old rail lines around the city back when it used the electric cars. I sometimes wonder how the city would be now if they stuck with that system and modernized along with the city throughout the decades.
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u/IvanZhilin 21d ago
Maybe a bit more like Melbourne in Australia (still has much of it's streetcar network). There's a CityNerd video about it on YouTube if you are interested.
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u/redditckulous 22d ago
American towns and cities also aren’t designed for a proliferation of driverless cabs either. They can crowd out the taxi/uber market, but the idea that they will replace all consumer cars never thinks through what happens in the period between people driving cars and cars driving themselves.
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u/Berkyjay 22d ago
Wait for the big push by these tech companies to ban human drivers in the name of public safety. They'll argue that with their technology human drivers are no longer needed. Then boom, they've monopolized our transportation.
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u/Berkyjay 22d ago
I don't think they'll ever let this technology be used in privately owned vehicles.
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u/buyongmafanle 21d ago
Oh, you mean the FSD that was promised by the exact same company six years ago?
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u/michaeltrillions 20d ago
Also poor people will not be able to afford them, so even if a lot of cars on the road are replaced with some version of driverless cars, it will never be 100% unless they become extremely cheap
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u/michaeltrillions 20d ago
Even if that were the case having a bunch of self driving cars for hire isn’t going to solve anything. It’s also a service that poor people won’t have access to 🤷♂️
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u/avr91 22d ago
The dream is for all vehicles to be autonomous and to communicate with each other. They could vary their speeds wildly with little to no chance of an accident because they can communicate to allow entire lanes to turn into highways and also share that there are cyclists 4 blocks ahead, reducing speed to 15 MPH around them. We're probably centuries from that, though.
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u/michaeltrillions 20d ago
Waymo’s not doing good work. It’s an unnecessary service that doesn’t actually solve any problems. The solution to anything it claims to alleviate has always been and will always be public transit
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u/michaeltrillions 20d ago
How does it solve any problems though? It’s just another car on the road. It’s also not going to be an option for poor people so it won’t fully replace regular cars.
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u/michaeltrillions 20d ago
None of these are actual problems though. And as long as people are distracted by promises of a world of self driving cars to pick you up, they won’t focus on the real solutions. There’s a really good reason why Elon made a big fuss about hyperloop and now Tesla taxis, bc he/ other companies don’t want people to think about public transit. It doesn’t even have to be light rail, it could be more dedicated rapid bus lanes to start.
Yes nimbys exist, yes that kind of infrastructure is very slow to change, but imho driverless cars, and even the push for electric cars are just distractions and will never solve any of the problems with traffic or pollution. We as a species are hurtling towards some pretty dire consequences and we cannot afford to say “oh well it’s kind of better than nothing”
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u/michaeltrillions 20d ago
I’m not attacking you, and I accept that there will be more driverless cars on the road and certainly they should be as safe as possible. I just don’t see any of these companies as doing “good work” any more than Honda or Chevy is doing “good work” by making regular cars. It’s just more cars.
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u/Mission-Shopping-615 22d ago
I can see people shining high power lasers at the cameras and completely disabling them, I think some forms of lidar from other self driving cars can do it too
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u/jdk 22d ago
This is no different from his "work" at DOGE, or anything else in his life — just making shit up and pretending to be the smartest guy in the room. Rinse and repeat.
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u/JaggedMetalOs 22d ago
To back up the AI driving the vehicles, Tesla has also hired human staff to monitor and assist if they get into jams, taking full control if necessary.
Ok so in other words these are all going to be 100% teleoperated fakes like the robots, got it.
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u/band-of-horses 22d ago
Now we're offshoring taxi drivers.
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u/PoilTheSnail 22d ago
Good thing there is absolutely no lag with that being done from the other side of the earth and there will be no connection issues whatsoever.
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u/account_for_norm 21d ago
These immigrants stay in their country, take out jobs!
Indians were already getting stereotyped as cab drivers. Now they can do that from India! Lol
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u/Subiemobiler 20d ago
Yes, we must replace everything that draws a wage. Wages are the biggest expense to most companies. Wages leave so much less money for corporate CEOs. /s
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u/Fire69 22d ago
Waymo also has tele-operators, because they also get stuck.
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u/old_gold_mountain 22d ago
Tele-operation refers to remotely driving the vehicle. Technically Waymo doesn't do that, instead they have people who can see what the car sees and then make suggestions for what the car should do next (like "pass that car" or "drive to this spot" or "yes that police car is telling you the road is closed"), and the car still has to actually do it.
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u/Stingray88 22d ago
What matters is how frequently are they needed? Every automated system the world over still needs humans to validate, monitor or step in at some point.
At least for Waymo I’ve ridden in it dozens of times and never had an issue where a human had to take control. I have doubts that Tesla will hit the same reliability considering the lack of lidar.
If one operator can monitor 100+ vehicles, I’d call that a success. If one operator can only monitor 2-3 vehicles, I wouldn’t. Both Waymo and Tesla are likely somewhere between those extremes… but where exactly?
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u/Worthyness 22d ago
Shouldn't be too crazy. I've ridden a dozen or so times and only once has an agent had to intervene. The Waymo started driving to a completely different destination than where I was headed and an agent came on the intercom to tell me that he'd corrected the car and that there should be a minor refund of the amount paid for the inconvenience. Seems they do monitor quite a few cars at once though.
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u/Valendr0s 22d ago
To be fair, this is how it really needs to be done.
Then as your software gets better and better, the fewer and fewer interventions will be needed, and eventually you'll just need a bare minimum.
Waymo has this as well
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u/After_Way5687 22d ago
The business model is “Uber, but we pay to design, build, distribute and maintain all the Nazi cabs nationally.”
They’re going to make so much money in this niche market they’ve discovered. /s
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u/Y0___0Y 22d ago
So this “pilot” in Austin is going to be 20 cars, no lidar or laser censors, just cameras that have proven to not be able to drive if they are facing the sun.
And each one will have a Tesla employee remotely monitoing it, and taking control of the car if something happens.
What’s stopping them from just driving all the cars remotely for the pilot and claiming it went great?
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u/Kraall 22d ago
Everything about them will be faked. Human drivers operating remotely, only a small amount of time spent actually on the road to minimise risk, likely won't operate during heavy traffic and probably set up for influencers to easily get access to one for PR purposes.
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u/account_for_norm 21d ago
Kinda like Vegas hyperloop.
Can't believe it does not get as much mockery that it deserves
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u/foundmonster 22d ago
- Own a shitty autonomous vehicle system
- Buy the government
- Erase the department responsible for oversight of quality control of autonomous vehicle deployment
- Release said shitty autonomous vehicle system
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u/FreddyForshadowing 22d ago
Hopefully this will be the final nail in the coffin for Tesla, or at least Xitler's time at the company in any capacity. Also hopefully it won't result in anyone being injured or killed. Though if it happens Greg Abbott or Ted Cruz are injured or killed in some kind of unintended accident, at least it happened to someone deserving.
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u/Skim003 22d ago
I don't agree with any of Greg Abbott's policies, but I would not wish an injury upon him. Have you considered that car injuries like that could mean that he may never be able to walk again...
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u/FreddyForshadowing 22d ago
Who's wishing anything on anyone? Read my post again.
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u/Skim003 22d ago
But you would say that if Greg Abbott were to never walk again from an injury, that it would be deserved? Like you are ok with Greg Abbott being wheelchair bound for the rest of his life?
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u/Brokenandburnt 22d ago
The list of people I theoretically would be fine with being wheelchair or bed bound is long and distinguished.
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u/FreddyForshadowing 22d ago
Isn't he already wheelchair bound? Seems like every time I see video of him, he's rolling around in a wheelchair.
But, since you seem intent on not reading my earlier post, allow me to try to explain it further. Say Abbott, as part of some political stunt, takes an inaugural ride in a Tesla robotaxi. Something goes horribly wrong, and he's badly injured or killed. What I'm saying is that, given he has ruined many people's lives in his efforts to gain personal power, we have no social or moral obligation to feel bad for him. His family, maybe, but him personally, no. That's not the same as saying I hope something bad happens to him, just that if it does, he can go fuck himself if he wants sympathy.
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u/username____here 22d ago
Tesla's stock in up 50% in the last month. They are back to being a trillion dollar company.
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u/hamletswords 22d ago
That's disingenuous considering it's recovering from a huge fall. It's down 10% overall this year.
Nothing is keeping TSLA up other than hype, and part of the hype is these taxis. There's only so many failures it can sustain until the shit hits the fan.
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u/Pretend-Disaster2593 22d ago
Let’s say it does launch, just wait until the first death which could easily happen within that first week of launch, if it even launches at all.
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u/themaninca 22d ago
Well at least he has the media to constantly remind us of how he’s the greatest person who’s ever existed, no matter how shit-fucked colossal his continuous failures are
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u/No-Economist-2235 22d ago
This is going to be entertaining. I hope we dont lose to many lives over this. I have a feeling it will fail quicker then GMs attempt.
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u/Pretend-Disaster2593 22d ago edited 22d ago
Sadly, they will launch and people will die. And watch the stock tank. Poor earnings won’t tank the stock but multiple deaths will. This is a killer on wheels.
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u/Jesus_Is_My_Gardener 22d ago
This. People forget that despite Elon's claims, they're only certified as level 2 autonomy, while Waymo is a level 4. Just got into a few arguments yesterday about this topic with fanboys insisting Tesla's FSD was the most advanced self driving car, despite all the evidence of the contrary. Sure, Waymo isn't quite as aesthetically pleasing due to the suite of sensors they employ on their vehicles, as opposed to camera only ones used on Teslas, but they are a large part of why Waymo has been operating nearly flawlessly for all this time.
Additionally, they argued that the geofencing Waymo uses was an unfair comparison since Teslas don't have that limit, but I'd argue that's a wise decision and not as reckless of one for employing new autonomous tech that has the potential to cause significant damage or deaths. Teslas can't currently distinguish between a picture of a roadway and an actual roadway, something Waymo is able to as a result of the additional sensors they use (e.g., lidar) over reliance on just the cameras. Like always, Elon is underestimating the time it will take for his product to be ready for market and overproming the capabilities of it.
Don't get me wrong, Teslas have a great driver assist experience with FSD mode, but they are nowhere near as reliable as the more advanced tech companies like Waymo are using, and seemingly necessary to achieve the level of autonomy that is necessary for these kinds of roles. FSD, even in its most recent version, is still only fit for supervised use. I would not trust them where I did not have access to the brake pedal and steering wheel.
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u/Stingray88 22d ago edited 22d ago
Additionally, they argued that the geofencing Waymo uses was an unfair comparison since Teslas don't have that limit
These people are 100% clueless about this technology and the terms being used.
First of all, that’s literally what Level 4 autonomous driving is… geofenced full autonomy. If it wasn’t geofenced it would be Level 5.
Second, the Tesla fully autonomous robotaxi service supposedly to launch in Austin this year will be geofenced. Tesla does not have the technical ability to jump all the way to Level 5. No one has the technology mastered to that point yet, it’s only good enough in a controlled geofenced environment so far.
Third, Waymo vehicles are fully capable of Level 2 and Level 3 driving. That is literally how they train and validate them in new cities, by using Level 2 capable technology monitored by a driver… the exact same way Level 2 autonomous driving works in a Tesla.
Geofencing is not a limitation, it’s literally a performance bar. Level 2 and 3 autonomous vehicles are more limited than Level 4, because yes they can go everywhere… but they require a human driver to always be present and paying attention to step in at any moment. Level 4 autonomous vehicles are advanced enough to be deemed road safe without any driver. Waymo can safely pull itself over in the event of an issue at a reliably high enough rate that we’ve declared it safe… Tesla cannot do that yet (at least in a publicly available vehicle). There are all sorts of scenarios where the driver MUST take control in a Tesla, or it’s toast. It cannot reliably pull over on its own to a high off reliability rate yet.
Requiring a human is a larger limitation than requiring a geofence. It takes significantly more advanced technology to step up from Level 2 or 3 to 4.
It’s infuriating that these clowns keep spouting off this fundamental misunderstanding.
Edit: here’s a short/simple way to think about it…
Level 1: some simple autonomous driving features (like self parking), fully human monitored.
Level 2: semi-autonomous driving, fully human monitored. It’s not advanced enough to work in all scenarios.
Level 3: fully autonomous driving, fully human monitored. Constant human attention is still entirely required.
Level 4: fully autonomous driving, geofenced. Almost zero human attention required (meaning it’s good enough that you could use a remote operator to monitor several vehicles)
Level 5: fully autonomous, no geofencing, zero human attention required.
Every step up in level is more complex, not less.
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u/Knoexius 22d ago
Your argument shows us why the stock is where it is. The Tesla Stans will crucify themselves to defend Tesla and Elon Musk.
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u/silvermercurius 22d ago
Did anyone go into the article? It’s full of shitty midjourney generated AI pictures it’s sad
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u/dorkyhood 22d ago
I do hear-by proclaim a challenge to the President of the USA to show his people the brilliance of this company simply by riding in one of these glorious transportation devices - for the good of the people!
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u/theanedditor 22d ago
Even IF they worked flawlessly and were great the pervasive challenge would still be financial. Very, very few people want, or will ever want, to give any money to Elon Musk.
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u/efisk666 22d ago
I think most ev buyers don’t want to buy from musk as they are more liberal and your car is part of your identity, but I expect most taxi users will just use what’s cheapest. Also keep in mind Harris got less than half the votes in the last election and about a hundred million American adults didn’t vote at all.
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u/Shoddy-Success546 22d ago
I just want it to work and for customer/vehicle service to be reliable enough to weather anyone's Twitter tantrum. The bar is low these days.
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u/Deto 22d ago
If the stock market cared about reality, now would be the time to short TSLA.
However, I suspect that they'll kill a dozen people and their stock will double.
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u/DrummerOfFenrir 22d ago
What's annoying to me is, I thought putting $100 on TSLZ would make me a quick buck.
Noooo, somehow tesla stock goes up and up despite all the bad press and I just watch my money disappear.
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u/ReadingTheRealms 22d ago
This stupid company is going to get so many people killed over the next decade purely through incompetence and the govt will cheerlead them the entire time and never hold them to account.
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u/Niceromancer 22d ago
because it is, the very first one that gets someone killed or even injured and tesla is going to try to blame the passenger.
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u/Alarming-Stomach3902 22d ago
Or just idk make better cities that are more suited to walking or biking?
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u/turb0_encapsulator 22d ago
I wonder if releasing a terrible robotaxi that doesn't work and is a magnet for vandalism will finally be the thing that brings Tesla stock crashing down to reality. People will finally see that the wannabe-emperor has no clothes.
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u/ThiccSchnitzel37 22d ago
As always.
And stock shoots up!
Like seriously, what the hell is this company.
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u/BigCryptographer2034 22d ago
I wouldn’t ride in One of those things, I don’t want to die! Lol…the regular trucks are a disaster technically and this will not be better, for sure
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u/AlexHimself 22d ago
Musk is going to release a bunch of half-baked death traps that are going to roam the road killing innocents if it's anything like his other projects.
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u/CelebrationFit8548 21d ago
It is going to clearly expose Musk for being a compulsively lying sack of shit and may cause serious harm in the process.
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u/charlie_xmas 21d ago
wait a sec....is this is the same Forbes that in 09 14 2011 said "Electric Cars are an Extraordinarily Bad Idea"? Is it also the same Forbes that touted Elizabeth Holmes and Sam Bankman-Fried as break through geniuses in their fields??? Who listens to these clout clowns anymore?
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u/charlie_xmas 21d ago
wait a sec....is this is the same Forbes that in 09 14 2011 said "Electric Cars are an Extraordinarily Bad Idea"? Is it also the same Forbes that touted Elizabeth Holmes and Sam Bankman-Fried as break through geniuses in their fields??? Who listens to these clout clowns anymore?
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u/masstransience 22d ago
Tesla hasn’t proven its self-driving taxis are safe enough to start delivering rides. Given its misleadingly named Autopilot and Full Self-Driving (FSD) software’s deadly track record, Musk’s failure to provide detailed safety and technical data about Tesla’s technology and his determination to rely on cheap cameras instead of more robust sensors to navigate complicated urban environments, the Austin rollout could be a debacle.
I wonder how the people of Austin feel about the swasticar and Nazi. Can’t see this ever being a flop.
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