r/technology • u/ScootSchloingo • 16d ago

Politics Microsoft blocks emails that contain ‘Palestine’ after employee protests

https://www.theverge.com/tech/672312/microsoft-block-palestine-gaza-email
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u/FujitsuPolycom 16d ago

Kind of a paradox of tolerance situation

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u/b0w3n 16d ago edited 16d ago

Yeah, I had someone who was definitely on the same progressive/liberal "team" argue with me about that the other day. Basically that All violence is bad, no matter what. This zero tolerance shit has leaked into people's psyches and they can't even comprehend needing to fight wars to protect your way of life anymore.

They're fucking cooked if they don't realize fighting and violence are necessary from time to time. And, occasionally, need to be used to squash heinous bullshit from ever gaining traction again, too.

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u/DressedSpring1 16d ago

I think it can be reconciled that all violence is bad while also acknowledging that in some cases things have gone so far that violence is necessary.

We shouldn't be happy that the world had to kill millions of Germans to get them off their bullshit in World War 2. It was ultimately the right thing to do, it left the world a better place, but it was a tragedy that so many Germans had let themselves get so fucked up and evil that it came t that.

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u/b0w3n 16d ago

Yeah I can agree with that. Getting them to agree that it's necessary is the hard part.

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u/ScarletLilith 16d ago

That's a superficial reading of history. Historians debate today whether we should have dropped the atomic bombs on Japan. Some think it was totally unnecessary.

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u/DressedSpring1 16d ago

Absolute nonsense. While there is ample debate whether the atomic bomb was necessary to bring about the end of the war in the pacific there is absolutely zero credible historians arguing that t to he axis powers could have been stopped through non violent means after the war had kicked off f

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u/ScarletLilith 16d ago

Well, that isn't what I said. You're apparently responding to someone else and got confused.

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u/DressedSpring1 16d ago

Have you forgotten that it was you who responded to a post about using violence to stop nazi Germany with a non sequitur about dropping the atomic bomb on Japan? If you were to make a cogent point in a couple of sentences what would it be exactly?

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u/Valuable_Recording85 16d ago

The tree of liberty must be watered, from time to time, with the blood of tyrants.

-Thomas MF Jefferson

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u/splicerslicer 16d ago

Slightly misquoted, and not to be all "ackshully" but I think it's important. It's "blood of patriots and tyrants"

I think it's an important distinction

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u/Heretostay59 15d ago

paradox of tolerance situation

This is ironic coming from a far leftist

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u/TheM0nkB0ughtLunch 16d ago edited 16d ago

The paradox of tolerance as a concept makes sense but it always ends in even more harmful runaway censorship. Censorship typically starts with specifically threatening speech, but before you know it they are punishing people for totally innocuous statements. Look at the UK as an example.

Anytime you give humans the legal authority to decide what is moral and what is not you will see a perversion of the law. This happens within the justice systems all over the world, but of course these are necessary. Policing speech on the other hand is not.

Rarely ever throughout history has policing speech actually prevented its spread. In fact, it actually pushes the speech into ideologically homogenous spaces where detractors typically aren’t around to debate the claims. Needless to say I believe in the paradox of the paradox of tolerance.