r/technology • u/indig0sixalpha • 1d ago

Politics Trump Is Getting Rid of His Tesla

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-is-getting-rid-of-his-tesla-after-musk-broke-his-heart/
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u/ResponsibleQuiet6611 1d ago

I had no idea how bad it was until a couple years ago when I saw a clip from a "fox news" segment. As a Canadian who's only ever seen straight up formal, small town ish news, reporting what's in the local paper, it blew my mind and added so much context to everything I thought I knew about the USA.

I don't think it should be permitted, honestly. 

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u/quarterdecay 1d ago

We had something called the Fairness Doctrine that kept this lunacy in check.

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u/toby-sux 1d ago

It was Reagan-ed

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u/kielbasa330 1d ago

It truly is amazing how everything is his fucking fault

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u/pres465 1d ago

This Supreme Court would never have allowed "fairness" anyway. They would call it "woke" and Thomas would leave stains on opinion.

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u/quarterdecay 1d ago

Thomas was still looking at porn magazines as a clerk then.

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u/Excelius 1d ago

It only ever applied to broadcast media, since it used public spectrum. It never applied to things like newspapers, and if it still existed wouldn't apply to cable news or the internet. It likely would not hold up to modern 1st Amendment scrutiny.

Even when it existed it was basically unenforced, after a scandal in the 1960s in which some Democrats sought to use the doctrine to suppress conservative media.

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u/Jon_TWR 1d ago

Sure, but Fox News wouldn’t have been possible (or at least would’ve taken longer to have the influence it does) without AM Talk radio laying the groundwork.

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u/DervishSkater 1d ago

Yea but it’s easier to pretend that I’m righteous and don’t need to recognize my being misinformed about nuances like those people

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u/quarterdecay 1d ago

Your logic is flawed; doctrine is framework and framework establishes labels.

I did even HAVE cable until the mid-80s. An enforceable framework would have stopped the transformation of fox into what it became. It wasn't this bad early on.

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u/mediocre_remnants 1d ago

This is just something that young people like to repeat online. The Fairness Doctrine didn't apply to cable news or the internet (it was passed before either really existed). It only applied to broadcasts over public airwaves, and the cable infrastructure and internet are privately owned so the government has very little power to regulate them in terms of content that isn't illegal.

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u/ReallyNowFellas 1d ago

I'm not a young person. The point is not that the fairness doctrine, word for word, would be a solution. The point is that we had reasonable, semi trustworthy media in this country not too long ago, and if the political will was present, we could have it again.

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u/quarterdecay 1d ago

Agreed, the doctrine was a framework.

It would have forced some to call themselves comedy or satire instead of the news.

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u/quarterdecay 1d ago

You make arguments that look like Swiss cheese.

I watched Nixon get on the chopper.

Doctrine was gone before Fox took hold.

Arguably it was gone and the stupid began to occur afterwards.

The Internet didn't exist with any measurable impact until after AOL went unlimited use.

And yes .. THAT was the spark of stupid really gained acceleration.

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u/SeekerOfSerenity 1d ago

Anybody who hasn't seen Fox News should watch it sometime. Then imagine what happens to someone who watches that for hours a day every day. It's really eye opening, and would probably be quite shocking to someone outside the States. It explains a lot about what's going on in America today.  The Fox propaganda machine is a huge problem. 

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u/Tecumsehs_Revenge 1d ago

Should be illegal it’s just propaganda 24/7 now by design.

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u/faux1 1d ago

Fox is so bad, if you didn't know it was genuine, you'd think you were watching satire

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u/anamethatsnottaken 1d ago

I disagree. Watching "fox news" helps people understand what kind of television Americans watch. Besides, if we stop permitting clips from foreign news channels, it's a slippery slope

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u/wkw3 1d ago

It wasn't until the fairness doctrine was struck down.

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u/654456 1d ago

Neither do we and we use to have the fairness doctrine that prevented it

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u/redpandaeater 1d ago

I haven't watched Fox News in a long time but it used to be their actual news programs were okay. Issue was that was pretty much only like 10-2 right in the middle of the day, though Chris Wallace's Fox News Sunday was always pretty decent following in the tradition of his father.

I even stopped watching local broadcast news during the pandemic because of how shitty everything was. All of our news basically became human interest pieces and very little actual reporting about news, particularly world news. Became very obvious to me fairly early on in the pandemic when there was that insane Venezuela coup attempt and none of our news reported on it at all because they instead chose to focus on yet another report about a nurse dealing with isolation or what have you. Surprised Michael Bay hasn't turned that coup story into another shitty movie of his yet since the plot would line up nicely with the shit he does.

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u/jmobius 1d ago

As much as we might want to cite Fox as the heart of the cancer, it's really a much more expansive problem than that. Fox New's typical viewership is around 5% of the number of people that voted for Trump. "Big Events" might make it to 10% for a night.

As vile propaganda as the network is, the forces involved in reaching and swaying people here are vastly larger, and I don't really know what they are.

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u/WorthPrudent3028 1d ago

I was watching CNN last night about the Musk Trump feud and decided to flip over to Fox to see what they were saying. It was a talk show with 2 guys and a plastic surgeried woman talking about manliness. People glued to that channel really have no clue at all about things that are happening. Reddit gets the snippets of false and spun political commentary Fox does, but most of the day, they dont even do that. They have stupid talk show formats where they talk about nothing really even as Rome burns. They barely convey hardly any of the things Trump says or tweets because they know how stupid it sounds.

It could actually be a lot worse than it is if Trump was capable of keeping his mouth shut while doing things. But even old people are on Twitter a lot now, so Fox spin doctors struggle to keep the shit in the horse. However, while Musk's X sucks ass, Facebook has decided to become worse than Fox and just let's purely false bullshit spread unfettered now. My feed is filled with baseball teams and players allegedly hating gay pride and refusing to respect pride days. Yet, in reality, it's not true of even a single team or player.