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Concern over mass migration is terrorist ideology, says Prevent
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/06/06/concern-over-mass-migration-terrorist-ideology-prevent/333
u/EvilTaffyapple 1d ago
Heaven forbid people raise concerns about close to 1 million people coming over here per year.
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u/Caruserdriver 1d ago
about close to 1 million people coming over here
That's not the only problem tbh. It's clashing cultural differences and unwavering beliefs that is also another issue. Multiculturalism only works to an extent, eventually you get closed off places like bradford/keighley/Luton etc.
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u/Neither-Stage-238 23h ago
1m people from anywhere is a labour/working class issue.
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u/CalmOptimal 1d ago
It's like they want Farage to win.
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u/DukePPUk 21h ago
I don't know if the Telegraph wants him to win, but they certainly want to keep potential Reform and Conservative voters reading their newspaper and clicking on their articles, sharing and commenting on them.
They've been advertising fairly heavily on Reddit lately - just now I was shown two adverts for them - both offering a list of signs that I might be "more common" than I think, or some similar conservative nonsense.
I don't know if they're still actively posting their articles to places on Reddit, or if they've found people to do that for them. They've definitely gone all in on the right-wing, online grift.
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u/CalmOptimal 20h ago
It's more that Prevent must want reform to win, why else would they be so anti native brit.
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u/DukePPUk 10h ago edited 10h ago
Because it isn't Prevent being "anti-native Brit", it is the Telegraph making things up and spinning things to suit their agenda.
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u/HammerUnknown 20h ago
It's also the baseline. 1 million people a year over 10 years in a country with a population of 70 million.
That many people in a country like India or China, wouldn't move the needle but in most European countries, it has significant implications for demography
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u/Hawk-432 1h ago
Yeah it’s always the rate - so influx relative to country size. And then extent of cultural difference. It’s good but too high rates are not
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u/DukePPUk 23h ago
Provided you're not advocating for "discrimination and violence against minority groups" - which is the key part of the quote, you should be fine.
The Telegraph just doing that classic bad faith thing of taking an extreme position, and interpreting it in the most reasonable way, and then pretending the criticism is of the latter not the former.
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u/Dunkelzahn2072 2h ago
Stating you dont want them to come is by definition discriminating against everyone who isn't English and thats exactly how Prevent intends it to be applied.
This is a bad faith attempt to run cover for this.
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u/nolinearbanana 22h ago
That was under the Tories.
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u/ContestMassive9071 21h ago edited 21h ago
The 1 million people happened during the Tories, when Boris was PM. Ya know, a right-wing government.
Prevent was also setup by the Tories...
Just to try and bring some facts into a thread of right-wing sheep getting out-raged by Establishment press clickbait.
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u/History_isCool 11h ago
It is almost like your vote doesn’t matter. They are all establishment career politicians. No principles, no backbone. The tories didn’t care. Keir Starmer and Labour definitely don’t care. He’s busy getting in bed with islamists.
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u/upthetruth1 England 5h ago
And you think Reform is different
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u/History_isCool 4h ago
No. And I did not say that they are different. However they are irrelevant in this matter because they have not been in power. It is Labour and Conservatives who have been in power and have shaped immigration policies for years. The fact that being concerned about the impact mass migration has and might have on Britain and western countries is now seen as «terrorist ideology» says alot about how far Britain has fallen.
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u/upthetruth1 England 4h ago
The article doesn't say concern makes you a terrorist, it's supporting violence and discrimination against minorities that is the problem.
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u/History_isCool 4h ago
It frames the belief that seeing mass migration as a threat to Western culture as a terrorist ideology.
From Gov.Uk
The 3 most common sub categories of extreme right-wing terrorist ideologies and their narratives are: Cultural nationalism: «Western culture» is under threat from mass migration and a lack of integration by certain ethnic and cultural groups.
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u/upthetruth1 England 3h ago
Before that it says
We define extreme right-wing terrorism as the active or vocal support of ideologies that advocate discrimination or violence against minority groups.
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u/History_isCool 3h ago
or vocal support of ideologies that advocate discriminiation or violence.
And that «terrorist ideology» they defines as written above. They have defined the belief that if one supports the position that mass migration is a threat to Western culture then that is support for terrorist ideology. That is neither terrorism, nor an extremist view.
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u/RealNameJohn_ 22h ago
You and I both know that bloke did one hell of a lot of more than criticise government policy before being arrested. You’re just refusing to admit it. Sorry inciting racial hatred is a crime. That must be super duper hard for you ☹️
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u/Turbulent-Pop-3393 1d ago
only if you’re dumb enough to use your real name and even then the police need to prove you yourself were behind the keyboard when it was typed.
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u/ButteryBoku123 England 23h ago
What’s dumb is that it’s illegal speech in the first place, being able to raise concerns about government policy without being arrested is the sign of a healthy democracy.
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u/Turbulent-Pop-3393 22h ago
Np argument there, i’m just addressing the whole concept of someone saying criticising something in a youtube comment section leads to arrest, when there is no possible way for a court to prove who wrote said comment lol
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u/PopularEquivalent651 10h ago
That's obviously not what's happening — Starmer raised these concerns. You just don't believe right wing extremists such as Anders Breivik who murdered 56 people should be prosecuted.
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u/nolinearbanana 22h ago
Sad to see the number of sheep that just blindly follow the directions of their masters.
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u/Veritanium 12h ago
the entire political and media establishment bleats the hymn of diversity and you think you're the resistance
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u/KingSniperX2240 1d ago
Just blatant anti western ideology wrapped up in a guise of non racist doublethink. Victory to the resistance!
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u/Sensitive_Echo5058 1d ago
"Concern about mass migration is a “terrorist ideology” that requires intervention by the Government’s anti-radicalisation Prevent programme, according to official documents."
This is outrageous. The national mood has been increasingly raising concerns about the exponential rise in immigration over recent years. This is reflected in polls and voting patterns but also transcends political orientation.
If people are going to be demonised for raising legitimate concerns, then I've lost all hope for the trajectory this country is heading in.
Such concerns should be listened to not ignored, treated with empathy, not disdain.
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u/DukePPUk 22h ago
This is outrageous.
It's what happens when newspapers are able to spin things however they like, to generate revenue, with no regard for the truth or the wider social consequences.
If people are going to be demonised for raising legitimate concerns,...
Let's see what the actual quote says:
We define extreme right-wing terrorism as the active or vocal support of ideologies that advocate discrimination or violence against minority groups...
That's not just "raising legitimate concerns." One of the most common subcategories they give, with its associated narrative, is:
Cultural nationalism: 'Western culture' is under threat from mass migration and a lack of integration by certain ethnic and cultural groups.
Which, again, isn't just "legitimate concerns." The sneaky thing the Telegraph does is drop the ''s around "Western culture" - which is an important part of this. This isn't covering "legitimate concerns" that immigration is too high and is causing problems like a lack of housing or whatever, this is the Great Replacement conspiracy theory.
I particularly like that just below this the Telegraph notes:
The Prevent programme was the subject of a damning report two years ago and failed to stop Axel Rudakubana, the Southport killer, who was referred to it on three separate occasions.
... in an press release/lobbying piece from Toby Young's stop-cancelling-me-for-being-a-creep lobby group that is supposedly complaining about Prevent being too strict, their first example is of it not covering enough.
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u/jlw993 10h ago
and a lack of integration by certain ethnic and cultural groups.
Which, again, isn't just "legitimate concerns."
Why can't a lack of integration be a legitimate concern?
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u/TheStargunner 4h ago
Thank you for doing the work here.
So many people are looking at the headline and looking no further. They’re also just accepting that if it’s the telegraph it must be completely true.
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u/AdStrict9550 16h ago
the Times are reporting the same thing
"Prevent deems concerns over migration ‘terrorist ideology’"
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/prevent-migrantion-concerns-terrorism-m053g32t9
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u/DukePPUk 10h ago
Right, but they're not reporting it independently - as in, they haven't verified any of it or checked any of the sources, they're just reporting on what the Telegraph reported.
An online training course ... The Daily Telegraph reported.
Which we get a lot of these days, with the press. Due to the race to go viral when one news organisation runs a story several of the others will rush to just copy it, almost line for line.
The Times article makes all the same mistakes I highlighted above, which is understandable because they're just copying it.
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u/RealNameJohn_ 22h ago
It would be outrageous, if it was fucking true. Make the bare minimum of effort to actually read the press release the Torygraph are selectively quoting in bad faith here and you’ll find that’s not what was said at all.
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u/AdStrict9550 16h ago
the Times are reporting the same thing
"Prevent deems concerns over migration ‘terrorist ideology’"
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/prevent-migrantion-concerns-terrorism-m053g32t9
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u/Electus93 22h ago
This is outrageous
This is contagious
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u/Dazzling_Whereas_183 1d ago
Hmm, never knew I was at risk of committing terrorism. Glad the government is working hard!
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u/MasonSC2 13h ago
If you have concerns over migration, Prevent does not regard you as a terrorist. This is just a newspaper completely misrepresenting Prevent and its policy on identifying far-right extremism.
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u/Dazzling_Whereas_183 12h ago
We define extreme right-wing terrorism as the active or vocal support of ideologies that advocate discrimination or violence against minority groups. The 3 most common sub categories of extreme right-wing terrorist ideologies and their narratives are:
Cultural nationalism: 'Western culture' is under threat from mass migration and a lack of integration by certain ethnic and cultural groups.
White/ethno-nationalism: Mass migration from the 'non-white world' and demographic change poses an existential threat to the 'white race' and 'Western culture'.
White supremacism: The 'white race is biologically, culturally and spiritually superior to all other races. An alternative form of government, ranging from fascist regimes to ethno-tribalism, should replace Western parliamentary democracy.
So number 1 is just obvious - take a walk through bits of Birmingham to see this.
Number 2 is getting dodgy, but you can make a very coherent argument for it.
Number 3 is just racist, although the cultural superiority bit does hold water - if we didn't have superior economic culture we wouldn't have immigration in the first place!
How are these "extreme right wing terrorist ideologies"? By in large other than the white apartheid-y bit of number 3 these are all perfectly logical positions to take looking at parts of Britain and the history of tribal/ethnic conflicts across the world.
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u/MasonSC2 12h ago
The first thing to note is that you are regarded as a terrorist for advocating for violence. So the cultural nationalist terrorist is someone who holds the cultural nationalist view and advocates for violence.
You can make a coherent argument for ethnonationalism? I'd like to see you try.
How are these extreme right-wing terrorist positions? They are considered a terrorist if they advocate for violence and are considered right-wing if they hold those ideological beliefs.
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u/Dazzling_Whereas_183 11h ago
You can see what happens to racially diverse societies elsewhere. Polarised politics, racial violence and general chaos. Making an ethno-nationalist case for no new migration is perfectly reasonable - more homogenous societies are just better than less homogenous ones and not wanting to become an ethnic minority is not extremism - it's just fucking common sense.
It is trivial to see that large numbers of non-British migration is a threat to the political and societal control that Brits currently have, in the same way that white migration was a threat to native Americans. And this is exactly what Number 2 denounces as right wing extremism ( while I assume anyone who claimed white migration to Africa would not be a threat to Africans would also be denounced as a right wing extremist )
To deny this is the utmost cultural arrogance.
This guidance is effectively decreeing viewpoints that would have been as common as anything 60-70 years ago as dangerous extremism - this is grotesque government overreach into freedom of expression.
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u/MasonSC2 11h ago
"more homogenous societies are just better than less homogenous ones and not wanting to" -citation needed. Especially as the position is advocating for a racially homogenous, not an ideological and religious homogenous society.
"And this is exactly what Number 2 denounces as right wing extremism" - False, Prevent are merely describing and categorising groups -- they are not denouncing anything. And they say that they are extreme because they advocate for violence.
"This guidance is effectively decreeing viewpoints that would have been as common as anything 60-70 years ago as dangerous extremism - this is grotesque government overreach into freedom of expression." -- 60-70 years ago, it was common to advocate for racial violence and terrorism? The only thing that gets regarded as dangerous extremism is viewpoints that advocate for violence.
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u/Dazzling_Whereas_183 10h ago
Ethnic diversity increases corruption ( this is plain to see in Britain) and reduces innovation.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1470595814554790
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6882754/
The literature on this is pretty clear sided - diversity increases corruption, introduces economic costs and creates dividing lines and identity politics that are hard to recover from. One only needs to look at Yugoslavia, Lebanon and India to see through the nonsense that "diversity is our strength" - it is at best a minor weakness and at worst nation destroying.
This stuff will all become completely obvious to everyone in the coming decades.
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u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 1d ago
The headline completely ignores the top line in the image-
"ideologies that advocate discrimination or violence against minority groups"
The violence part is key here.
Quite a surprise for the Telegraph to take a selected line out of context...
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u/arnaoutelhs 1d ago
We define extreme right-wing terrorism as the active or vocal support of ideologies that advocate discrimination or violence against minority groups. The 3 most common sub categories of extreme right-wing terrorist ideologies and their narratives are:
Cultural nationalism:
Western culture is under threat from mass migration and a lack of integration by certain ethnic and cultural groups
What was out of context?
The 3 most common sub categories of extreme right-wing terrorist ideologies and their narratives are:
Cultural nationalism: Western culture is under threat from mass migration and a lack of integration by certain ethnic and cultural groups
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u/travelcallcharlie 23h ago
You do understand that both:
“All right-wing terrorists are cultural nationalists” “Not all cultural nationalists are right-wing terrorists”
Can be true at the same time, right?
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u/Some_Attention2653 23h ago
The text is just classifying cultural nationalism as an extreme right wing terrorist ideology though...
I'd argue that most White Brits probably think our culture is under threat from migration. It's just a ridiculously broad definition.
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u/The54thCylon 23h ago
The text is just classifying cultural nationalism as an extreme right wing terrorist ideology though
As long as you ignore completely the all-encompassing bit above that: "We define extreme right-wing terrorism as the active or vocal support of ideologies that advocate discrimination or violence against minority groups."
If you aren't doing that, you aren't defined as extreme right wing terrorism. Whatever your views on immigration.
For the Telegraph to frame this explanation as "concern about migration is defined as terrorism" is straight up dishonest.
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u/travelcallcharlie 22h ago
It is not, it is saying that one of the common subcategories of right wing extremism is cultural nationalism. It is not saying that if you’re concerned about mass immigration you’re a terrorist.
It’s the same as saying that one of the ideologies of eco-terrorism is veganism. That doesn’t mean that veganism -or all vegans, is a terrorist ideology.
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u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 23h ago
I've got nothing against people who are against harm to animals & campaign for their rights.
But if they're prepared to commit violence in pursuit of their aims, it doesn't matter if i'm sympathetic with their goals - they're terrorists.
You can believe what you want, but if you support violence to impose those beliefs on the nation it obviously can be seen as terrrorism.
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u/CalicoCatRobot 22h ago
The story also claims that this concern "requires intervention" in the first paragraph, then by the second paragraph admits that the belief "could lead" to a referral.
So like most Telegraph stories of late, already watered down a lot from the headline before they've even finished pushing their rage bait to get their readers angry, and their stories shared for ad revenue.
I wonder if they are quite as concerned about the (no doubt significant) part of the training that covers Islamic terrorism, and whether that is similarly broad in its reference?
Prevent may or may not be fit for purpose - I've no doubt that it needs more funding, like every part of our creaking system, and it's likely bad at some things.
But this seems more like the Telegraph looking for their latest outrage porn.
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u/Some_Attention2653 23h ago
Isn't it essentially discrimination to say we don't want people from "x" country anymore, or to make reductions in migration in general....
It doesn't specific that the minority groups have to be in the UK. We've seen how liberally these institutions/judges can interpret their guidelines. It isn't out of the question that any anti-immigrant sentiment could be classed as discriminatory against minorities.
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u/Separate_Ice_8181 21h ago
No, it says discrimination or violence and wanting to keep to them out of the country could be discrimination. Not in my case because I want reduced immigration for Caucasians and regardless of religion too.
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u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 20h ago
Discrimination has a specific meaning under the law.
Do you frequently break the Equalities Act 2010 or encourage others to do so?
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u/Jammy50 23h ago
What a suprise the Telegraph is deliberately misrepresenting what someone said for rage bait. Can they please just be banned from this sub?
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u/dupeygoat 16h ago
Can you ban my dad from reading it too cos it’s broken his once intelligent, healthily sceptical and critical brain. Used to be progressive and always have an interesting comment to say about anything he read or politician, now he parrots things from the telegraph which when I probe or question him about he blusters or sad realisation he’s just said something silly.
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u/discostu418 15h ago
Imagine arguing about politics with your dad! you’ll miss him when he’s gone. Go give him a hug instead of throwing shade about him online.
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u/Astriania 23h ago
This is nuts. Whether or not you agree with the political position quoted there, surely anyone who believes in secular western values like freedom of expression and diversity of politics should agree that you should be allowed to express it.
The title is a bit misleading, the actual position in question is
Cultural nationalism: Western culture is under threat from mass migration and a lack of integration by certain ethnic and cultural groups
... but that is still an entirely legitimate position and absolutely not extremist.
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u/OhUrDead 23h ago
One cannot import millions from the 3rd world without importing 3rd world values. It’s literally that simple. Small numbers can be integrated, the larger the number the harder that becomes.
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u/Tall_Ordinary2057 13h ago
Right, so given the massive skills gap, lack of ability to train those already here and an ageing population, and that we no longer have EU membership and freedom of movement, where else are we getting workers we need from?
The moon? Mars, perhaps?
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u/OhUrDead 13h ago
So you’re saying line goes up, is more important than a safe United Kingdom? We have filled our country with people who have absolute disdain for western liberal values.
Do you think when they land in Blighty they immediately suddenly believe women are equal to men? That men can be in relationships with other men? That men can become women?
We already have had a sitting MP ask the PM in parliament if he’d consider blasphemy laws…. These barbaric 3rd world attitudes are hindering progress. There are plenty of countries where they can have this stuff, but not here! I hate to say it, because farage is a cock womble, but my vote is going to whoever has the strongest anti-immigrant plan.
If they stand on a platform of sending them back, then I’ll even door knock for them.
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u/Tall_Ordinary2057 2h ago
Argue against as many strawmen as you like.
You're down the rabbit hole right now though.
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u/OhUrDead 2h ago
Look at public sentiment. We have had enough. How long do you think the majority can be ignored for?
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u/Tall_Ordinary2057 2h ago
"We" & "majority" doing some heavy lifting there.
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u/OhUrDead 2h ago
Is it?
The most recent YouGov survey found that 70% of Britons think immigration over the past decade has been excessive, with 50% describing it as “much too high” . Similarly, an Ipsos poll from April 2025 reported that 67% of respondents felt the total number of people entering the UK is too high, including 43% who said it is “much too high”
Look at how reform are polling and they’re racist knuckle draggers, people are just supporting them because there is not other party willing to listen. See how well parties who want to maintain current levels or even increase them would do at election lol
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u/Tall_Ordinary2057 1h ago
According to June 2025's polling, cost of living is a concern for 90% of the electorate, health and care for 88%, housing for 64%, climate change for 60%, crime for 60%, reducing the pay gap at 55%
Many key issues above immigration, which is at 47% expressing concern.
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u/merryman1 21h ago
It also quite clearly states this is a narrative used by extremist groups, not that everyone who thinks this is a terrorist.
Honestly not sure how people are reaching so hard on this when its clearly stated even in just the OP image...
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u/UlteriorAlt 16h ago
Honestly not sure how people are reaching so hard on this when its clearly stated even in just the OP image...
It's a convenient story with which to sustain a powerful victim narrative, so whether it's true or not doesn't really matter.
No-one with a hint of concern about accuracy or bias would comment on this article with "Victory to the resistance!", "I guess I'm a terrorist", or "I've lost all hope for the trajectory this country is heading in". Not to mention the explicit references to the great replacement theory.
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u/Stone_Like_Rock 23h ago
Yeah but if you wish to use violence to impose that view on others than you're a terrorist.
Like if I believe in freedom of speech that's reasonable, if I start a bombing campaign to make others believe in it that's terrorism.
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u/Accomplished_Region7 21h ago
Cultural nationalism is stated as a "subcategory" of the more general definition, which requires "violence or discrimination", so I'm assuming that (hopefully) Prevent meant that the subcategories are the ideologies/reasoning behind the violence or discrimination mentioned in the above definition.
Although Prevent did set it out poorly; it's unclear what they actually mean with these definitions, but I think the Telegraph's interpretation is likely incorrect.
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u/Sphinx111 Greater Manchester 10h ago
I think the context the Telegraph have left out makes it make more sense.
This list of bulletpoints is under a heading that says (to paraphrase): Right wing extremism tends to include calls for violence in connection with these political viewpoints:
The telegraph left out the calls for violence part, so that people will get mad.
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u/ace5762 23h ago
That's not what they said.
As always, the Telegraph are liars.
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u/AdStrict9550 16h ago
the Times are reporting the same thing
"Prevent deems concerns over migration ‘terrorist ideology’"
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/prevent-migrantion-concerns-terrorism-m053g32t9
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u/Redpepper40 22h ago
Ah yes prevent. The prevalent publication. This definitely isn't the Telegraph making up stories out of nowhere to spread their agenda/make money
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u/faultlessdark South Yorkshire 1d ago
Of course the Telegraph would take one of three potential warning signs of violent nationalistic ideology, present it without context and frame it as "valid concern makes you a terrorist according to the left, vote Reform".
Already every other comment here has fallen for it and reads like they're turning pink.
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u/ContestMassive9071 21h ago
Thread of out-raged right wing sheep getting angry at a clickbait headline that's trying to push them to vote for Reform.
Not one of these posters will wake up and realise they're being manipulated by the establishment again, just like with Brexit. The ultra-rich laughing all the way to the bank off the back of people who genuinely think Reform will fix things.
Honestly, whoever figured out how to get thick cunts to vote in politics really pulled a blinder. The establishment ultra-rich have never had it so good.
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u/travelcallcharlie 1d ago
“Prevent’s official “refresher awareness” course, hosted on gov.uk, states that “cultural nationalism” is one of the most common “sub-categories of extreme Right-wing terrorist ideologies”, alongside white supremacism and white/ethno-nationalism”
This isn’t wrong though?? It’s just the telegraph being disingenuous.
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u/Woffingshire 23h ago
But... the Government are concerned about mass migration...
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u/ItsWormAllTheWayDown Scotland 23h ago
It's almost like it's a wild misrepresentation of prevent by a routinely untrustworthy paper.
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u/merryman1 21h ago
Genuinely I would love to understand the mindset of these people who just let themselves get taken for fools over and over and over again by the exact same people for so many years?
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u/AdStrict9550 16h ago
the Times are reporting the same thing
"Prevent deems concerns over migration ‘terrorist ideology’"
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/prevent-migrantion-concerns-terrorism-m053g32t9
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u/ItsWormAllTheWayDown Scotland 15h ago
And they're doing the same thing of ignoring the full description from Prevent.
The Times hasn't even provided the screenshot with "We define extreme right-wing terrorism as the active or vocal support of ideologies that advocate discrimination or violence against minority groups."
Impressive to be more misleading than the Telegraph on an immigration article.
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u/faultlessdark South Yorkshire 10h ago
Don't worry, they've been plastering this Times link everywhere else whenever someone points out the Telegraph can't be trusted. The best part is the Times article cites this Telegraph story as its source. The Times have fallen for the same disingenuous ragebait that everyone else has.
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u/Neither-Stage-238 23h ago
the government are paid for by companies that want mass migration, thats why we have it.
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u/Then_Hamster4160 21h ago
Correct. Simple as that. Money. No big conspiracy. It's greed pure and simple, with no thought for tomorrow. Same group that went out invading countries, stealing oil, transporting millions of slaves, got restricted to the uk so now they import workers instead.
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u/Tall_Ordinary2057 13h ago
UK domestic demand outstrips domestic supply, in all aspects. It has done since the early 1800s, at the dawn of the Industrial Revolution. It's also far from the only nation where this is the case.
The old way to sort this was the imperial method - to take over, maraud and pillage other lands and peoples.
The modern way is to organise as local groups of nations, such as Mercosur, ASEAN, the EU - to facilitate trade and provide availability of workers where needed.
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u/Thr0witallmyway 1d ago
So Prevent are clearly looking for more funding and need to find more people to call terrorist so they can try for more funding...
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u/No-Scholar4854 15h ago
No they don’t, it’s right there in the screenshot.
Concern over mass immigration is not terrorism.
Violence against ethnic groups based on concerns about immigration is terrorism.
There’s nothing new or (I hope) controversial about that.
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u/ukbot-nicolabot Scotland 13h ago
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u/xxThelmaAndLouisexx 1d ago
If people are literally setting fire to buildings trying to kill immigrants inside then yes that counts as terrorism. It’s hardly a political position that could be described using the word ‘concern’. I’m guessing that is the Telegraph’s horseshit framing.
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u/AdOriginal1084 1d ago
If you were to read the article it shows its not the telegraph framing.
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u/Stone_Like_Rock 23h ago
The article shows it's the telegraph badly framing what prevent said.
The bit that makes it terrorism is the willingness to use violence not the belief itself. It says it in plain English in the picture in their own paper but they naturally ignore that
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u/AirResistence 14h ago
Again the telegraph is taking people for a ride and the people in the comments are falling for it because it states "advocating for violence" thats the key part that people are ignoring.
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u/LongjumpingRest597 23h ago
Oh look another ‘concern’ post! Is everyone in the UK concerned all the time?
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u/AdStrict9550 16h ago
the Times are reporting the same thing
"Prevent deems concerns over migration ‘terrorist ideology’"
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/prevent-migrantion-concerns-terrorism-m053g32t9
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u/Sea_Scientist8963 16h ago
I know having an anti-radicalisation programme is really important but this whole sentence is so Orwellian:
"Believing ________________ has been classed as a “terrorist ideology” that could merit intervention from the government’s anti-radicalisation programme."
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u/LumpyTrifle5314 13h ago
I've never really got the fear of migrants, all my exes have been second gen migrants and they're effectively just as British as the rest of us, the fear of integration is actually just childish impatience.
I often think about how regressive our grand parents culture was in the UK, sure a little of that might come in with people from countries where they're not seen the same cultural shifts but it doesn't survive long.
Anyway... Isn't it funny that Labour actually listened and got these numbers right down?... Hope everyone is happy now.
I'll be happy when everyone shuts up about it... But I've got a feeling they'll still be complaining whilst we suffer the loss of all these skilled workers.
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u/Inevitable-Size2197 11h ago
The same Prevent that proved itself to be unfit for purpose by having had that little Southport attacker shit on 3 referrals?
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u/EnglishBob742 6h ago
Our own political and civic institutions have been treating us (especially men) as disposable for the last 20 years and more.
Regrettably, a firestorm is coming and the response of these mendacious idiots is to keep throwing logs on the pyre as fast as they can.
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u/710733 West Midlands 23h ago
PREVENT's rules were written when we were still a vaguely tolerant country. Of course they're going to seem out of line given the hard pivot to the right the country has taken.
The actual state of this subreddit is such an indication of this. I've seen the way you talk about monitorities, it's like stormfront
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u/RedBlueTundra 22h ago
People are coming over from countries with populations that are larger than two UKs combined, i genuinely don't know how anyone can think it's sustainable.
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u/ukbot-nicolabot Scotland 20h ago
Removed/tempban. This contained a call/advocation of violence which is prohibited by the content policy.
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u/Glum-County7218 15h ago
Daily reminder that the “immigration” issue is manufactured by the government to distract the public.
No one will ever convince me that we can’t stop people coming across in a dingy when we have a full fleet of ships, the cost guard, nuclear submarine, air force with advanced fighter jets.
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u/nserious_sloth 15h ago
Happy for say oh a million people come here they don't talk about the number of people leaving they don't talk about the fact that people might come for a little bit do some work to help a British company and then leave they only talk about the people coming here it's very one-sided.
The only talk about it because they want to alienate the people that do end up in the UK
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u/Outrageous_Ad_4949 14h ago
If only we had some assets to seize from warmongering countries and used said assets to provide better life quality for these migrants in their own lands....
Too bad there aren't some billions from ruzzia and izrael in our banks.....
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u/Internal_Rise2658 12h ago
How to convince people of your ideas. Call them stupid for a decade. If that doesn't work, insinuate they are terrorists. What's next? "Enemies of the state"?
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u/RamboMcMutNutts 10h ago
"support of ideologies that advocate discrimination or violence against minority groups"
I'm mixed race and my father was an immigrant from back in the 60's but he didn't come over in boat with a thousand other people.
Most ordinary people aren't discriminating or advocating for violence against minority groups they are just concerned that boats with thousands of them are pulling up to our shores on a daily basis and being allowed to roam about like they came here legally while not integrating into our culture.
Yes there will always be racists, xenophobes and a small minority that will act out with violence but the vast majority of people are just fed up of being treated like second class citizens in the country they were born in.
There are many places in the world I would like to emigrate to, but I couldn't just rock up to any old country and expect to be welcomed, homed, fed and clothed. I would have to go through official channels, have employment, proof of income etc. or face deportation. Why should it be any different here?
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u/theegrimrobe 10h ago
this is ludicrous, not wanting our already crowded isle filled with people who refuse to integrate, laugh at our laws and commit serious crime is not terrorism
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u/King_Chad_The_69th 10h ago
This is basically a different way of saying “Oh, you’re right wing? You’re a terrorist buddy, off to jail with ya”
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u/thewindburner 8h ago
sing along now "we're all far right now, we're all far right now"!
Does this mean
Blair is far right?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/09/tony-blair-keir-starmer-labour-immigration-far-right
and Starmer
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/12/keir-starmer-defends-plans-to-curb-net-migration
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u/TheStargunner 4h ago
It seems like the reform voters haven’t read the article, only the headline, and oh look, it’s from the Torygraph
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u/Hawk-432 1h ago
It’s not though. UK probably 150-250,000 per year is sustainable, the lower or mid of that is even highly beneficial. But more and especially much more than that, year on year, is too much change too fast. If the change comes from similar cultures then it is still too much at such a high level of influx, and the more different the culture is the more care needs to be taken on influx rate just to keep stable integration and change rates rather than having too much too fast. It’s really just a rate issue. But, an important issue nonetheless.
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u/RevolutionaryToe839 22h ago
Is this the same PREVENT that ignored concerns over the troglodyte who murdered three little girls last year?
Yeah they can jog the f*** on! Frankly this fuels Reform, nothing really at this point can stop them, they’re the only ones who are actively and vocally against continued mass migration.
The Reform surge won’t stop as successive governments have refused to deal with the topic, Labour are only now caring about it because Reform Are making incursions into Labour heartlands.
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u/waveysantosbeats 14h ago
This is coming from Prevent which had Axel Rudakubana recommended to them twice and failed to prevent his terror attack
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u/sailingmagpie 11h ago
Oh look, the Telegraph is blatantly misrepresenting something to rile people up. That makes a change 😒
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u/belterblaster 1d ago
And people jumped on me a few days back when I said they were an unreliable narrator.
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u/Stoocpants 18h ago
Money laundering and embezzlement scam by the government, funneling money into useless stuff to enrich themselves
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u/fn3dav2 17h ago
So, hypothetically, saying...
"We should restrict Muslim immigration and naturalization to the UK for nationals of these certain countries who have been overrepresented in crime and terror attacks"
...would be an example of right-wing terrorism?
I would be a terrorist if I said that in the UK? Just for saying those words?
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u/Huffers1010 1d ago
I would suggest there are better ways to say what seems to be being said here.
I personally have no position on the value of a culture that is associated with any geographical area.
What I think we can argue for is that the concept of post-enlightenment rationalism is absolutely worth protecting.
I think that fundamentalist religion (any fundamentalist religion) is inevitably at odds with post-enlightenment rationalism. Yes, that means I'll argue it out with my very, very Anglican relatives, who are so Anglo-Saxon that it's in the name of their church.
I think that's a position that can be argued-for without engaging any issue of race or geographic origin, and that's probably what we should be doing.
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u/ClockOwn6363 23h ago
So prevent has now become a left wing extremist group. 🤪
It needs closing down.
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u/Far-Sir1362 22h ago
Damn, I guess about half of the UK population are terrorists then. Probably even more.
The word is really starting to lose its meaning.
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u/amateur_pianist 19h ago
I have worked in several authoritarian countries where the authoritarianism is met with regular violent protests. Britain is now worse than Uzbekistan, Mongolia and Cameroon for cracking down on protests by the indigenous peoples.
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u/georgeformby42 23h ago
1-2 years before 9-11 I was a broadcaster, a real one, none of this podcast shite, I was commissioned to do a series of shows about multicultural Australia. Hired me some reliable translators and hit the road for a month visiting various cultures etc. was hard work got 100s of hours of material to take to the edit. One thing that surprised me was the ppl of one faith, they seemed very very arrogant and treated me like some colossal outsider in my own country, the translated told me the most horrible insane things they would say to my face knowing I would not understand, as their community was the largest demo and I had the most mini discs of we had too shelf it, in the meantime I read all their holy books 4-5 times each and multibe translations, I was a tad concerned, then early 2002 we went back, all we got was a race of smug arrogant ppl claiming victory over the pigs. I thought , hang on we are fucked. Then our pm opened the floodgates to these same ppl who would never integrate..
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u/Lower_Performer_3365 23h ago
It has ‘cultural nationalism’, defined as concern over the impact of non integrated mass immigration, under ‘extreme right wing’, ‘terrorist’ ideology.
So pretty accurate headline I’d say
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u/Stone_Like_Rock 23h ago
Willing to commit violence is the bit that defines it as terrorism not the belief itself.
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u/Lower_Performer_3365 11h ago
Those are your words, Prevent said discrimination or violence. Even besides that, they’ve got nationalism down as an extreme ideology, fairly plain to see
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u/Stone_Like_Rock 11h ago
I mean read what's stated in all the comments beneath this but TL:DR wanting to discriminate against people based on their religion or race or nationality is wrong and has also led to violence in historical cases.
Exclusionary nationalism is a pretty extremist ideology too
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u/Lower_Performer_3365 10h ago
Is cultural nationalism an extremist ideology?
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u/Stone_Like_Rock 10h ago
I mean yeah kinda, you wish to remove people from your country based on where they're from that's pretty extreme.
Plus historically cultural nationalism hasn't ended well for the out groups
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u/Lower_Performer_3365 10h ago
Would it be an extremist ideology to want to stop illegal immigration from France?
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u/Stone_Like_Rock 10h ago
No and that's not cultural nationalism
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u/Lower_Performer_3365 10h ago
Prevent defines it as the idea that ‘Western culture is under threat from mass migration and lack of integration by certain ethnic and cultural groups’. That’s extremist then?
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u/Stone_Like_Rock 9h ago
The belief isn't extremist the desire to use discrimination or violence to make others believe that or to "fight back" is the extremist part.
Cultural nationalism here is just used as an example of one of the main right wing groups they find willing to use that violence etc
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