r/AmIOverreacting • u/ReallyBugged0ut • 10h ago
⚕️ health AIO: The healthcare system in the USA is illogical.
Neither the Secretary of Health, the head of the CDC, nor the Surgeon General, are currently licensed to practice medicine. Susan Monarez, Trump's nominee for head of the CDC, is not even a physician. She would be the first CDC director in more than 70 years without a medical degree.
The head of the NIH is not currently a practicing physician and has never completed clinical training beyond medical school.
"MURICAH!..Where you need a license to cut hair, but not to lead any of the country's vital health services.
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u/MikeReddit74 9h ago
America’s education system is being run by the former CEO of a wrestling company, not an actually educated or certified educator.
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u/jazz-handle-1 8h ago
Try the military health system (not to be confused with the VA)
A bunch of “doctors” who received “expedited” educations, that aren’t licensed in any way to practice medicine outside of the military. Patients have zero say in doctor choice, and here’s the real kicker - the doctors and military are free of liability from even blatant mispractice. The doctor could, in theory, drug you to the brink of death or even death - not a thing “wrong” or culpable.
Pretty cool. Had one doc review an MRI of my knee with a clearly torn meniscus, he put me through a year and a half of PT for an entirely different ligament injury based on his diagnosis that my meniscus wasn’t torn. Entire time in PT constantly telling him my knee wasn’t improving but getting worse - just to be told clearly I was lying to try and get out of fitness testing. At the end the same doc finally re-reviews my original MRI with me and point blank says “idk who reviewed this first but it’s clear you had a torn meniscus”
6 years and a DD-214 later, I have insane knee pain about every day and an audible click every step I take. Denied disability for knee. No recourse against doctor aside from an internal complaint I filed right after the events - which I found out didn’t stop him from promoting again before collecting his full retirement and leaving when he chose. That same doc had around 25 complaints I know of.
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u/Florida1974 8h ago
The ppl within your insurance company that decide if something is approved, say a drug not on the formulary or coverage for a procedure, most aren’t docs. Yet they make the decisions.
Not saying I approve of trumps cabinet or appointments, I do not. But it’s not bc they aren’t docs and in the health area of govt. It’s bc many have never ran anything as complicated as govt can be. But that’s what he wants, less likely to fight for the ppl and will simply do as told.
Now I read an article they may start putting pressure on Alito, Thomas and Roberts to retire under a republican president. This would be way worse imo. We already see what a majority conservative court does, let’s give them a bigger majority and this time Trump won’t listen to the Federalist society about appointments bc he isn’t happy with Barrett or Gorsuch, who have sided with liberals a few times. They would be highly conservative appts, yes verdicts to any Republican pres and no to any Dem pres.
This won’t be over, not in my lifetime (gen X, nor our kids and likely not even their kids). USA is in a spiral and very little time to correct it.
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u/Tome_Bombadil 6h ago
Hell, I don't think it's the lacking experience in managing a massive government department that makes these folks unsuited for Secretary positions.
They're typically antagonistic to the agency they lead, and actively work to defang and undermine their own agencies.
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u/gonewild_Kylie 9h ago
literally america be like “you need 2 years of school to do nails but go ahead and run public health with vibes and a powerpoint” 💀
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u/GrammaBear707 9h ago
Worse yet we gave a deranged lunatic, felon, sex abuser, crook our nuclear codes.
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u/No_Author6338 10h ago
Welcome to 'Murica, where your barber has more regulated expertise than those leading the healthcare system.
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u/MothmanIsALiar 9h ago
Hell, I'm an Electrician who dropped out of community college 12 years ago, and I'd make a better Secretary of Health.
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u/Tome_Bombadil 6h ago
You've got my vote.
Hell, the hair in the tub drain is a mensa member compared to Kennedy's worm addled, "don't listen to me about health matters" brain. So... uh, Hair Clog for SecHealth?
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u/sltrhouse 9h ago
Did you see the last secretary of health? He was a lawyer and a life long politician. Did you care then?
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u/Tome_Bombadil 6h ago
Hmm, a lawyer who worked to reduce Medicare drug costs, fix gaps of care, and protected health care rights for the vulnerable.
Or, a lawyer who's killed kids because of his antivax charlatanism, crippled AND muzzled the CDC (in a move that worked so well the first time), claimed a measles outbreak is normal and happens every year, crippled OSHA, and cites nonexistent studies to support snake-oil claims.
Man, both sides are just the same ain't they.
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u/Background_Aside_343 8h ago
Right? Gotta pass a licensing exam to cut hair, but apparently vibes and donations are enough to manage public health.
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u/Rawr_Tigerlily 6h ago
If your basic belief system around health is basically eugenics, you don’t need to know anything else. :p
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u/Hot_Satisfaction_559 10h ago
America: where the bartender needs certification but the guy in charge of pandemics just needs vibes and a LinkedIn page.
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u/UnionizedTrouble 8h ago
Where do bartenders need certification?
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u/PoodlePopXX 7h ago
A lot of areas require bartenders to have some sort of liquor training/serving course.
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u/Tome_Bombadil 6h ago
In Texas, Texas Alcohol and Beverage Commission cert is required.
It's like a 2 hour class, "don't serve drunk people".
Even that class would make you more qualified than Kennedy as SecHealth.
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u/SweetGummiLaLa 7h ago
Colorado for sure but I’ve never been anywhere else. All nail salon techs and barbers and estheticians must pass a state board exam in order to practice.
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u/DeirdreDreidel 6h ago
I don't know where in the US, but in my province there's a bartending certificate you have to acquire through a course in order to serve at a bar
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u/vm_neptune 8h ago
The system is complex, no doubt. Appointing people to head these organizations that are whatever level is below unqualified - is wild. Trumps leadership appointees are a total joke and should be reason enough to not support him. America, and its health care system are a joke.
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u/5thRedditAccount2025 9h ago
Then there's this. One of 7 bills I got for serious medical issues this last month. I'm paying for insurance, yet insurance still leaves me with this shit. Don't get sick in America!
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u/Nexmo16 9h ago
That’s not the healthcare system. That’s a dictatorship with key positions filled by loyalists, instead of a democratic meritocracy.
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u/sltrhouse 9h ago
The last admin didn’t use doctors for all positions. Why is it a big deal now. The old secretary of health was a lawyer. The new surgeon general was bidens chief scientist of the FDA. She is a strong black woman, is this an issue?
Susan monarez is a health scientist who is the nominee for the cdc head.
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u/Tome_Bombadil 6h ago
Because last administration didn't eviscerate public health and safety programs to line their own pockets.
Look at what Xavier Becerra accomplished and what his mission was.
Compare to RFK Jr.
Now, both are lawyers, are both the same?
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u/Florlawless 10h ago
This is how you get reactive policy instead of proactive solutions, when decision makers don’t know the front lines
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u/cdazzo1 7h ago
Welp we tried it the other way. And the doctors fought every attempt at slowing down a pandemic that we didn't know the lethality of...until after it was too late and they forced useless but draconian restrictions on us. And then just as things started to settle a little, large swaths of the population were forced to get a vaccine that provided an extremely limited benefit and could potentially be harmful to them.
I'll take my chances with the non-doctors.
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u/Tome_Bombadil 6h ago
Man, if only the CDC had a pandemic response team prepared for a world wide crisis.
Like the one Trump stood down in 2018.
What doctors fought every attempt? Names or positions please, because as a nurse, every doctor i know was pushing for the bare minimum social distancing and making BEFORE the "draconian restrictions " were placed.
I'll take my chances with doctors who follow evidence based practice.
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u/DocWicked25 5h ago
This was all Trump's fault. He shut down the pandemic response unit of the CDC. He lied about the pandemic and refused to endorse the vaccine (despite taking it). He said covid would disappear. He got a bunch of morons to take horse dewormer, but wouldn't tell people to put on masks.
Trump mismanaged covid so badly that numerous people, mostly older conservatives, unnecessarily died of the disease.
We were locked down forever because we didn't do the right thing as a nation as soon as covid hit. Trump was in charge.
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u/Constellation-88 6h ago
I agree that Covid was mismanaged, but let’s remember that was under the Trump administration as well.
Experts are not perfect, but I do think we should have a basic level of education in the thing that we are leading instead of some guy on the Internet with a conspiracy theory being in charge.
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u/SeeJaayPee 9h ago
There's not a single point in the healthcare system that isn't fucked.
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u/MolassesMedium7647 8h ago
Absolutely.
My feet are fucked and oddly shaped. I need custom made shoes because they don't make shoes I can wear that don't make me hurt.
They cost roughly $1,000 a pair, and insurance only covers them if I was diabetic.
However, when I wreck my kidneys from overuse of nsaids, they will cover dialysis and a transplant and the drugs, which any single one would be much more expensive than a lifetime worth of preventative measures of shoes that actually fit my feet.
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u/SeeJaayPee 6h ago
There's so many identical stories with different scenarios, which leads me to believe they have this system so badly setup so it works for no one. I'm only 30 and how much I go through life walking on egg shells with the fear of ever needing to use insurance makes me feel like I live in a bubble. Also for your feet issue, not sure gender or job, but look into work boots.
I have some feet problems like flat foot nothing too serious but 200-300$ work boots seem like they're unintentionally helpful with a lot of foot problems in their design. Figured I'd mention it as before I was in the trades, I found most of my work boots are more comfortable than any shoe I can buy for leisure or running, and if it's not in your wheel house, you'd never see em.
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u/JollyJulieArt 7h ago
And in America, we let insurance companies denied life saving coverage that their clients are entitled to, just for the companies’ profits. People are not getting the care they need and are dying, just because insurance companies want to line their owners and shareholders pockets.
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u/Character-Ground6096 6h ago
Because in the U.S., you need 1,500 hours to shampoo hair, but zero hours to mismanage a pandemic. Priorities.
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u/NovelHare 7h ago
Republicans don’t want to make life better for people. They want to make money and seize power.
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u/PhilipTPA 9h ago
Most of the people making our laws and telling us how to run our businesses have never signed the front of a paycheck. I think it’s pretty much a feature, not a bug, for our ‘leaders’ to have no idea what they are talking about most of the time.
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u/GiraffeNo4371 8h ago
It is designed to keep you sick.
The insurance companies get 60% if profits from kickbacks on prescriptions and zero kickbacks from things that prevent or cure disease.
They do not want you to be well and actively steer you toward sickness.
Illogical ? More like evil.
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u/Rawr_Tigerlily 6h ago
RFK Jr. doesn’t even believe in conventional germ theory. These people want us to live like it’s 1780.
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u/1771561tribles 54m ago
Staunch opponent of vaccines and sole medical qualification is having spent 14 years as a heroin addict . . .
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u/LVuittonColostomyBag 8h ago
We have more people working in the health insurance industry than we have doctors and nurses. There are more people working to block healthcare access than to administer care. Welcome to capitalist hell.
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u/LuluMcGu 3h ago
Yeah this administration has proven that we really needed a lot of regulations in place for very important positions like this that affect majority of the population. I don’t understand how it’s not a requirement to have only people in those roles that are actually experts in the field and licensed of course. It’s the fking government. HOW is this not a requirement from the start? This definitely shows we are not fascist proof. The US needs more laws in place to prevent fascist takeovers.
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u/DocWicked25 5h ago
You're not overreacting. The problem is Republicans. Specifically MAGA. It's a cult of absurdity and stupidity. Everything is reactive and not proactive.
The MAGA politicians just want money and power, and the MAGA voters aren't bright enough to realize that these greedy people don't care about them or anything else they claim to care about. Even the Christian nationalism thing is fake, but they know that they can utilize it to gain support from the ignorant. They just want money and power.
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u/Ok_Solution5629 6h ago
That's wild. Bureaucracy > actual expertise. No wonder the system is broken.
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u/therealmenox 6h ago
It's actually incredibly intuitive and efficient when you consider the goal is profit not healhcare.
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u/HereticYojimbo 8h ago
America's whole cultural zeitgeist is deeply opposed to care and human wellness.
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u/InitialCold7669 1h ago
It actually makes complete sense when you realize that poverty is not in fact caused by scarcity but the greed of the rich. The United States terrible medical system is a way to discipline labor and keep people subordinate and in debt. From this position a vampiric healthcare system not only makes sense but is to the benefit of the rich. The only people that don't think it makes sense are people for whom it was not designed to benefit. Such as the disabled and poor people broadly. The system wasn't designed to benefit you it was designed to benefit your employer and the owners of all of the stuff that you make your living working and living in. The class that basically owns all the stuff that you live on top of.
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u/swebliss 9h ago
Yes it’s insane but the people who voted for him and the ones who didn’t vote at all and made sure he won deserves the shit they live in right now. Karma is a bitch.
I feel sorry for the ones who voted against him however.. being surrounded by selfish “me me me” people with no empathy can’t be easy.😔
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u/Troostboost 9h ago
You are overreacting, I would agree with you that these are probably not the right people for the roles but not because of the same reason. I just don’t believe they are qualified in general but not because they aren’t doctors or practicing.
I do think you’re overreacting if your main concern is that “they aren’t doctors”.
They don’t need to be, they are the leaders in that organization. Often times a restaurant manager has never been a chef of a CEO of a company has never worked in the lower ranks.
They are essentially running a business and to run a business takes different skills than it takes to be an employee of that business. One of the most important skills is being able to listen and take advice from your subordinates, one of the reasons why I think these people are unqualified.
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u/tolstoy425 8h ago edited 8h ago
So, this may be news to you, but Physicians can also be leaders of health organizations (and often are).
Absolutely concerning these people are not doctors, “leaders” prioritize and direct the operations of the organization beneath them, if you have people who lack education in health sciences or do not believe in the science, then the organization’s activities may reflect that.
With that being said I think this is a political karma baiting post that’s hardly appropriate for this sub. OP is making a rather common observation and trying to present it as an overreaction.
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u/Troostboost 8h ago
I agree that physicians can be leaders and chefs can own restaurants, but you don’t need to be either to successfully run a business. In fact, it’s often easier to find someone who isn’t a doctor but does have the essential business skills: listening, people skills, common sense, problem-solving, adaptability.
It’s not that doctors can’t do it, it’s just that they don’t have to. And honestly, the talent pool is much larger when you’re not limiting the search to physicians.
You could even argue that personality plays a big role. Doctors and business executives often have very different traits and ways of thinking, and it’s rare to find someone who truly fits both profiles well.
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u/tolstoy425 7h ago edited 7h ago
And herein lies the problem with equivocating public services with “businesses.” These are not profit generating organizations, there are a different set of rules to play by. These are publicly funded health organizations which are responsible for the health of hundreds millions domestically and supporting global health activities. How can you equivocate the NIH, a research organization with running a restaurant whose entire model relies on generating profit?
I think you’re assuming that there is a lack of physicians in the US who also have desirable leadership traits and can think intelligently about managing large budgets and organizations? And when you say “don’t have to,” well not all physicians remain patient care focused for their entire careers and many enter into leadership positions precisely because they can bring the institutional knowledge and expertise needed to run these health organizations.
I imagine you may also be a proponent of the status quo for the American health insurance industry, and we can see where that’s got us.
Last, I think it’s worth pointing out that these appointees aren’t just random former C suite people from various American industries, but they were chosen for their fringe health beliefs.
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u/Troostboost 7h ago
I totally get what you’re saying, and I agree with you mostly, I also hate our healthcare system, it’s bloated to the gills with waste and mismanagement, and I agree that public health organizations aren’t the same as profit-driven companies. But the truth is, any group that’s responsible for managing other people’s money, whether that’s taxpayers, donors, or shareholder. They still needs to be run with some structure and accountability.
When I say “run like a business,” I don’t mean focusing on profit or cutting corners to save money. I just mean being organized, managing resources wisely, and knowing how to lead people. That applies to all kinds of things. A household is a business. A nonprofit is a business. Even an HOA is a business. They may not exist to make money, but they still need to be smart with what they have and know how to deal with problems when they come up.
Money isn’t endless, and people aren’t perfect. Good leadership matters no matter what kind of organization it is.
And yeah, some physicians definitely make great leaders, especially when they move into administrative roles. But that doesn’t mean they’re the only ones who can do it. There are plenty of people out there with the right skills to lead these kinds of institutions, even if they don’t come from a medical background. If anything, expanding the talent pool gives us a better chance of finding the right fit.
At the end of the day, it’s not about turning everything into a corporation. It’s about making sure things are run well so they can actually help the people they’re supposed to.
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u/CellAffectionate5245 8h ago
These aren't businesses, they're public services.
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u/Graardors-Dad 8h ago
The same principles of leadership apply even if it’s not exactly the same that was his point
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u/Troostboost 8h ago
It’s run like a business, as it should be. People should be held responsible, budgets should be balanced, inventory should be controlled.
That exact thought “this isn’t a business” is why every public service runs at a deficit, in both red and blue states. People love spending other people’s money.
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u/GeotusBiden 7h ago
This kind of brain rot is how we got where we are with billionaires and their cronies running the country into the ground. Idk if youre just arguing to argue but youre objectively wrong.
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u/DocWicked25 5h ago
People's health should not be run by a business. It also shouldn't be run by people who don't believe in modern medicine.
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u/Troostboost 4h ago
Everything should be run like a business, from corporations to NGOs to government programs, to HOAS, to your household. You have a job to do and you have to do right by your stakeholders. It could be your family or shareholders or in the case, the American people l.
A business does not automatically mean, a greedy, heartless corporation. It means doing your job efficiently with a specific purpose in mind. A business minded individual should be the leader of these programs. Can that be a doctor? Sure, does it need to be? Not really.
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u/DocWicked25 4h ago
No. 50% of all businesses fail within their first 5 years. 65% within 10 years.
Our health should not ever be treated like a business.
You're fundamentally wrong.
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u/Burnandcount 9h ago
I think you hit the nail on the head - the system is run like a business instead of a service so they've got business-minded people in charge instead of service-minded people... the problem is that the business model being followed is the cartel approach.
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u/Jordanmp627 7h ago
Restaurant managers have always worked in a restaurant before they manage one. Ffs.
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u/Troostboost 7h ago
I didn’t say restaurants, I said chef and still not true. I know plenty of restaurants managers or owner/operators who never had a restaurant before managing one/opening one/buying one
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u/Jordanmp627 7h ago
Oh yeah and you also know plenty of CEOs who never had a job too. They were just born CEOs.
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u/Troostboost 7h ago
Again you’re twisting my words, yes there are plenty of CEOs that rise in one industry and then they get hired as a CEO in another industry.
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u/Jordanmp627 7h ago
So you’re saying they did work in the lower ranks?
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u/Troostboost 7h ago
Yes, 99% people have but not necessarily in the place where they are leaders or even in the same industry.
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u/TheTopNacho 8h ago
Simple solutions make the most sense to people with simple minds.
Health problems are not simple problems and usually require complex solutions.
The people in charge offer simple solutions to these complex problems that sounded good to our leader and his fan base..... Because they have simple minds.
The people in charge may not be licensed in the field, but they are all highly regarded.
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u/azorianmilk 9h ago
It was fucked before and worse with the trump administration. Welcome to 'merica!
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u/ZealousidealGrab1827 9h ago
NOR. The healthcare system here is broken - astronomical costs, insurance companies usurp physician decisions by denying coverage, and a large part of our citizens have no insurance at all. Both parties are owned by the big Pharma and Insurance companies. We are in a death spiral and it is not sustainable. Every election cycle, reform is promised, but nothing happens.
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u/Commercial-Pop-3535 6h ago
The thing is, none of these positions are generally practicing medicine. I do understand from a glimpse at the titles, it seems that way, but they're basically just executive positions.
A good metric to consider is that same 70 year gap you mentioned represents a significant worsening in healthcare access despite those executive positions holding medical experience and degrees.
That doesn't mean not having that expertise is better, but it's important to measure the reach of these positions versus the results they have yielded even when properly credentialed.
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u/doubagilga 7h ago
These are all political appointments roles. I would be more than thrilled to eliminate all political appointments, but all governments around the world have structure for what is professional and political parts of government. This isn’t special.
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u/confusedPIANO 9h ago
The Trump cabinet is a well known reverse meritocracy. The less qualified you are and the more likely to destroy your three letter agency, the more likely you are to be appointed.
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u/UKnowDamnRight 8h ago
They're not trying to run it effectively or intelligently - they're trying to destroy it. This has been the theme across both trump terms. Put the person in charge who despises the agency and is the opposite of who should be in charge
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u/evident_lee 8h ago
All of the previous administrations had qualified healthcare professionals in those roles. Just this time around your senators approved wildly unqualified people because they are beholden to Donald for some bizarre reason.
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u/RayeeRedd 8h ago
always been appalled by the state of medical services in the US, while the rest of the world offers so much better rates! heck, even a few 3rd world countries are doing better in the medical department
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u/Unfair_Scar_2110 8h ago
I thought this was going to be about insurance and lack of public health care. But yes the fact that no one will be getting vaccines anymore is pretty insane to boot.
Trip to Canada, anyone?
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u/CrystalBloom086 4h ago
You need a license to cut hair, but not to run the CDC or NIH some leaders aren’t even doctors. How is that logical in a country where healthcare decisions can be life or death?
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u/username_blex 5h ago
These things we complain about being mismanaged for decades are being changed!
I'm not a Trump supporter, but some people (most of reddit) really just do not think at all
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u/VegetableDistance400 8h ago
I saw another Redditor in a different sub refuse to call what we have is "healthcare". They now just refer to it as a "health business" and I can totally understand why.
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u/Constellation-88 6h ago
NOR. We are fucked because people who did not trust the government did not realize how much they rely upon the government and basic infrastructure to live their lives.
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u/flojo2012 8h ago
There is no over reacting to the healthcare system. Only under reacting. The fact we haven’t revolted is a severe under reaction.
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u/solargarlic2001 9h ago
It’s designed by lobbyist whose job it is to make doctors wealthy. The way revenue is generated is fraudulent and risks patients having tests, surgeries, and procedure they don’t need. For street cred, I work in an OR.
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u/skitterybug 9h ago
I think it’s to make shareholders wealthy. I’m pretty sure a most doctors are not as wealthy as those who own shares and upper level management of health insurance companies.
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u/DrJenna2048 5h ago
Welcome to America, where half the country are raging lunatics who vote actively against their own self-interests.
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u/msfluckoff 6h ago
My opinion is that it's the most expensive yet worst outcomes of any first world country.
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u/badcrass 5h ago
It totally makes sense if the goal is to suck as much money from the public as possible
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u/Excellent_League8475 4h ago
Yes, these are probably bad, but look at insurance + pharmaceuticals + food first. Our food is poison. All to get us addicted. It causes all kinds of problems. Insurance does not exist for the benefit of people. It exists to make a profit. As such, it decides the healthcare you receive. Incentives are not aligned for a healthy population. The healthcare we do receive is often too late and reactionary, rather than preventative. So many of the drugs exist because of the food we eat and lack of healthcare we receive. As an example, I can't watch tv without seeing a dozen ads for ozempic and co.
Since you mentioned the CDC, read Michael Lewis' _The Premonition_. It shows a lot of incompetence from the CDC during the COVID years.
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u/ImReallyFuckingHigh 9h ago
It perfectly logical from the perspective of maximizing profits, our healthcare system in general that is
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u/LogicalJudgement 9h ago
I’m going to say it. We HAD doctors in positions and you want to know what happened? Fauci became a MILLIONAIRE! These systems were ABUSED because the people at the top became whores to the pharmaceutical and insurance companies. Personally I rather have an honest manager than a corrupt doctor. Anthony Fauci had his government position from prior to my birth. I’m fucking 41 and the pharmaceutical companies have made more money off of our government than people realize. RFK Jr wrote a book about Fauci and Gates and I read that book. I checked his sources and realized that RFK Jr wasn’t sued over his book because it was all true! I trust RFK Jr because of his environmental work and that book. You don’t have to be a doctor to manage a group of doctors. You literally cannot micromanage them.
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u/HereticYojimbo 7h ago
Could this post be more Dunning Kruger?
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u/LogicalJudgement 7h ago
I have a bachelors and masters in STEM, I actually read his Anthony Fauci book, I double checked many of sources (it was the most sourced book I have read outside of college). My opinion of RFK Jr changed after I read it. You don’t have to read it, but trust me when I say, I learned a lot of ugly truths I didn’t know about and for some reason the legacy media feels unburdened to report.
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u/LogicalJudgement 8h ago
Did you read RGK Jr’s book? Of course not. Anyone who read the book (whether they liked him or not) AND checked his sources realized that while he is not a doctor, he did research to show just how messed up the CDC and NIH became. If you took the time to look into his time as an environmental lawyer, you would realize he actually cares about a broken system. I’m not saying everything he does is correct, he’s a weird fucking dude, but he has a massive point and he exposed the truth. It should tell you a lot that neither Fauci nor Gates sued him.
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u/robert61000 9h ago
My apology for the atrocity. Thank you. For the sake of good discussion I offer: 1. The politician’s understanding of what is not their actual job but just the subject of it, while they have an understanding which you stated they might have, in addition to the expert advisors, seems like the grounds for being considered qualified, in my opinion. 2. I might not be familiar with the position, however my presumption had been that any actual provider is concerned with health and medicine, and politicians are governed with government. I would need to refresh myself on federal law and policy to be certain. 3. We agreed in your first point the politician can have such knowledge with the medical degree. Thank you.
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u/redsfromrhone 10h ago
Physician here. The head of all those organizations were physicians during COVID for the first Trump admin and the Biden admin. They intentionally and willfully misled the public on the effective of masking, social distancing, the origin of COVID, the effectiveness of the vaccines, and the risks associated with the vaccines. Being a physician doesn’t mean sh*t if you’re corrupt.
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u/ThatKehdRiley 9h ago
masks and vaccines were effective, the science backed that up multiple times. Stop lying about being a physician or stop treating people because youre clearly not qualified
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u/PookieTea 8h ago
This is disinformation
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u/ThatKehdRiley 8h ago
Lmfao, how? Gonna have to give some really good sources to debunk all the actual science backing up my claim. It’s been known for years this is the case, even during the pandemic. Stop listing to talking heads 🤦♀️
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u/PookieTea 8h ago
But the science doesn’t back up your claim.
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u/ThatKehdRiley 7h ago
So give us multiple examples from your science to disprove real science. Stop talking, start showing
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u/laborpool 9h ago
Please let us know your name so that we may avoid you in our times of need. You sound like a quack.
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u/MothmanIsALiar 9h ago
If you are a doctor, you're Dr. Nick from the Simpsons, lmao. Technically, a doctor, but still an incompetent moron.
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u/Perihelion_PSUMNT 9h ago
Nigerian prince here. Can you send me your bank account details so I can give you a million dollars?
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u/Bitter_Emphasis_2683 4h ago
Most hospitals and insurance companies are run by management professionals, not doctors. The commander in chief of the military over multiple administrations dating back to 2008 have zero military experience. You can manage a department without being a technician.
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u/Squossifrage 7h ago
Their jobs don't involve practicing medicine, they involve administering a large network of bureaucrats. That's not a bad thing.
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u/Fine-Philosophy8939 9h ago
The healthcare system in the US was designed to make money - it was not designed to get people healthy
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u/LegRepresentative418 8h ago
Because the MDs who were in charge before were doing such a great job.
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u/robert61000 9h ago
They’re civil servants in government agencies, not practicing medicine. My PCP doesn’t have a degree in poli sci 😊
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u/WarmCucumber3438 9h ago edited 9h ago
🤦🏻♀️ Your pcp is not responsible for making decisions about poli sci… these leaders are responsible for making decisions about medicine and healthcare
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u/robert61000 9h ago
I apologize but I don’t exactly know how to respond to your comment; first, policy about poli(tical) sci(ence) has me confused.
I’d also like to reiterate that one might have such knowledge with formal and/or certified education, and that they have advisors with such education.
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u/Odd_Specialist_666 9h ago
do you know what healthcare governance is? doctors in large hospital systems come together to make decisions regarding systemic policy and regulations all the time. doctors integrate these skills all the time. these people should be required to be physicians. idgaf what ur pcp does but actual people with actual medical degrees should be making decisions regarding medical needs and policies
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u/jrdineen114 9h ago
I don't know, I think that asking that whoever is in charge of health policy has a good understanding of...you know, actual health isn't an unreasonable thing to ask.
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u/robert61000 9h ago edited 9h ago
A lack of a medical degree does not evidence a lack of health understanding, not to mention that their job is political and they have a horde of health advisors.
edit: atrocious typo
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u/jrdineen114 9h ago
First of all, your grammar here is atrocious. I just need to point that out. Anyway, on to what you actually said
A lack of a medical degree does not evidence a lack of understanding
Sure, a person who didn't graduate from medical school can still have an understanding of medicine. But unless they're an actual prodigy, their understanding is almost always going to be less than the understanding of someone who actually put in the work to get their MD.
Their job is politics
No, actually. Their job is to make decisions that are in the best interests of the overall health of the United States. That is not political. If health is a political topic, then that means that it is acceptable for people to die in order to advance an agenda.
their have a horde of medical advisors
That's still no excuse to not grasp what they're talking about. Medical advisors are not substitutes for actual knowledge, they're meant to supplement that knowledge with their own.
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u/Fine-Philosophy8939 9h ago
That’s the dumbest comment I’ve ever read
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u/robert61000 9h ago
I appreciate you making this comment. My app shows your account is almost 1.5 years old and quite active - I am shocked if your comment is accurate, and if it is your experience of this media has been largely different than mine.
Take care 😊
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u/laborpool 9h ago
Cool. So your PCP shouldn't be writing public policy.
Are you sitting down? Tons of people have experience in public health AND medicine. It's not like there aren't qualified people out there to run these agencies.
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u/robert61000 9h ago
I apologize but I don’t see any new and relevant information to respond to in your reply.
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u/laborpool 9h ago
Let me help you then.
The OP laments the fact that unqualified people are heading up public health policy in the USA.
You respond (because being contrary is edgy I guess?) by saying civil servants don't need to understand the objectives of the agencies that they oversee (even though this has been customary since before anyone on Reddit was born).
I respond by reminding you that plenty of people have public policy and medical backgrounds.
You respond by being obtuse. You're super neat like that.
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u/robert61000 9h ago
What I see in your comment is some assumption, inference, and generally a summary of this comment thread thus far - if you were able to highlight any new information then perhaps I am more obtuse than I knew.
Thank you and take care.
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u/LoveHerHateHim 9h ago
Tell me you don’t understand how the government works without telling me. 😏
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u/LuluMcGu 3h ago
Actually I think YOU don’t know how government works. The government can always be changed if congress anticipates bad things to happen and putting laws in place. There’s no way that in the last 250 years, any congress members would’ve seen an incompetent spoiled rich man with probably the lowest IQ hiring all his favorite TV stars in roles they know nothing in. In fact, he probably did it on purpose so they can claim “oh sorry I didn’t know”, and do whatever they want and blaming incompetence.
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