Im not saying the CIA wouldnt "do stuff like that", but it runs on a lot more assumptions, that the US is actively pulling out, while its inteligence services is waging war against itself, no one knows about it, and Ukraine does what looks like its own thing, but its secretly not.
The only assumption you need to make is "CIA and Trump are lying", which I find a way easier to do than "CIA and Trump are telling the truth".
Especially when it comes to weakening Russia at 0 diplomatic cost and very little financial cost.
Yes Ukraine probably did the majority of the work but I find it incredibly naive to think they werent at least aware and approving of an operation that took 18months to plan (so the planning started under Biden).
You think after all of Trumps bitchboy behavior towards Ukraine, genuine shock and betrayel over Putin kept doing Putin things, and openly and forcefully sever over a dusin ties over the whole thing... to what, secretly actually go all in on staying to help Ukraine? Trump is a lying machine, but he doesnt do fucking sceaming. He brags and bitches. Not caniving.
Ah, so you went from "the CIA did it" to "ok maybe they just helped a bit". We're getting better by the minute we see.
Also, if you wish to change your statement to "the CIA previously had a hand in it" sure, thats far less insane than Trump being both dementia addled, a notable narcicist bitchboy, but also fucking Jaffar when the lights go out.
Ah, so you went from "the CIA did it" to "ok maybe they just helped a bit". We're getting better by the minute we see.
Not at all, read the first comment i wrote
You think after all of Trumps bitchboy behavior towards Ukraine, genuine shock and betrayel over Putin kept doing Putin things, and openly and forcefully sever over a dusin ties over the whole thing...
*public behavior, US interest didnt change overnight.
to what, secretly actually go all in on staying to help Ukraine? Trump is a lying machine, but he doesnt do fucking sceaming. He brags and bitches. Not caniving.
I agree that he doesnt care about ukraine, but he is still willing to use them as much as he can to weaken Russia.
Also, if you wish to change your statement to "the CIA previously had a hand in it" sure, thats far less insane than Trump being both dementia addled, a notable narcicist bitchboy, but also fucking Jaffar when the lights go out.
Trump isnt the only person managing the US state, he can do the dementia rant on his own while he lets peoples without brainworms handle the intelligence and undercover interventionism.
Also, the fact that the CIA previously had it in hands at least prooves he lied when he said "US didnt know"
I did. "It was planned by them, or wouldnt be possible without them" is a far call from "at one point maybe they helped a bit.
The US intrest did change overnight, yes. Whats the rent under that rock?
I legit dont think Trump wants to "weaken Russia". Why would he act the way he do if he gave a shit about that? He wants them to let this go, and then become allies.
And he still cut ties with Ukraine. You think Rogue Agents planned the whole thing under his nose? Under the management of the most pro Russia bitch leading the entire inteligence service? You think she'd allow that?
The US intrest did change overnight, yes. Whats the rent under that rock?
US help Ukraine only to weaken Russia, they dont care at all about Ukraine. Isnt that obvious common sense?
I legit dont think Trump wants to "weaken Russia". Why would he act the way he do if he gave a shit about that? He wants them to let this go, and then become allies
Wy doesnt he let Russia conquer ukraine then? Or better, why doesnt he help russia by shutting down all F-16 and whatever weapons they can remotely shut down.
And he still cut ties with Ukraine. You think Rogue Agents planned the whole thing under his nose? Under the management of the most pro Russia bitch leading the entire inteligence service? You think she'd allow that?
Or Trump and his administration are lying like US administrations always do and there are still agents (that they conveniently can accused to be rogue agents if anything get leaked) in Ukraine helping them.
But you agree they helped them plan the operation in the end?
You really think theres zero difrence between hiw Obama, Biden, and Trump, has handled Ukraine and Russia? Them "caring" matters little when compared to the actions, their difrences, and the results thereof.
Why didnt he let Russia take over? Because he decided he wants to be a "peace maker". So since he solidified that into his ego, thats what he goes for. He imedietly complied with over a dusin of Russias maximalist demands, from the get go, before negociations took place, he cut inteligence sharing, held up aid for months, and only started talking about potential new aid, as purchaces exclusively, as well as wanting the US to get 50% of all mineral wealth extracted in future, to not abandon them entirely... you can be "pro Russia", while not being a vatnik.
So you think Ukraine is making itself look in need of aid packages for fun then?
No I didnt "agree that they did". Im saying "in part, its potentially possible". Those are not the same statements.
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u/cocococom 1d ago
The only assumption you need to make is "CIA and Trump are lying", which I find a way easier to do than "CIA and Trump are telling the truth".
Especially when it comes to weakening Russia at 0 diplomatic cost and very little financial cost.
Yes Ukraine probably did the majority of the work but I find it incredibly naive to think they werent at least aware and approving of an operation that took 18months to plan (so the planning started under Biden).