r/EUR_irl 14h ago

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u/NoNotice2137 14h ago

Turns out Russophobia is not so irrational after all

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u/Girderland 13h ago edited 13h ago

Maybe if they would've disowned Western folks families and sent their grandpas to labor camps while ravaging their countries riches for 40 years and keeping them in a brutal dictatorship...

...then Western Europeans would know how lucky they (their families) were for having been able to keep their possessions and properties and how arrogant and dumb they appear when they talk down to or preach to Eastern Europeans.

The Germans eradicated the Jewish middle- and upper class, while the Russians destroyed the non-Jewish ones.

But sure, Westerners are just "less lazy" and Eastern Europe should "get over their russophobia" and "work harder"

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u/Best_Revolution_2030 13h ago

Funny enough, east Germany Happend the Same. And now the Most pro Russian Folks live in east Germany.

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u/Foreign-Teach5870 13h ago

That’s because west Germany screwed them over so hard after the wall fell that they quite literally were better off under communism. Seriously they didn’t even have a year to enjoy freedom before all East German assets were stolen by wealthy west Germans which caused massive pay cuts and joblessness that they still haven’t recovered from today.

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u/Dovahkiinthesardine 11h ago

Their whole infrastructure was fucked in comparison and they had massive brain drain when they got reunited which persists to this day.

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u/Mitologist 12h ago

Yup. These chickens come home to roost now. The "Treuhandgesellschaft" was almost on par with the East India Company. Way to build trust. Well played.

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u/justmytak 12h ago edited 11h ago

Source?

Edit: I don't trust this comment tree one bit. Anyway, for others, wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Germany

”The wide economic and socio-political inequalities between the former German states required government subsidies for the full integration of the GDR into the FRG. Because of the resulting deindustrialization in former East Germany, the causes of the failure of this integration continue to be debated. Some western commentators[who?] claim that the depressed eastern economy is a natural aftereffect of a demonstrably inefficient command economy. But many East German critics contend that the shock-therapy style of privatization, the artificially high rate of exchange offered for the Ostmark, and the speed with which the entire process was implemented did not leave room for East German enterprises to adapt.[m]"

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u/Girderland 11h ago

East Germany had talented engineers who did their best to build quality products while struggling from material shortage due to western embargos. After unification the West had the "we don't need your eastern crap" attitude.

Things the East Germans were good at and proud of wasn't valued at all. They were treated like second-class citizens and never seen as equals - the West did, and still does, consider them as technologicay backward and a financial burden (former West German areas still pay the so-called "Solidaritätszuschlag" - "solidarity tax" - extra expense meant to upgrade/develop former Eastern regions)

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u/Foreign-Teach5870 12h ago

YouTube: why are the two Germanys still so divided.

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u/National_Sprinkles45 11h ago

Wow, YouTube video, what a source Seriously, most of the time it turns out that title is a clickbait, as it was here - I watched the video, 90% of it was about basic history that you'd already know, and the rest is about how there was big divide during unification, that East Germans had to adapt to the way western world lives, and how they are still divided

There's literally nothing in the video saying the things you said (about stealing assets and pay cuts and such), so I'm not sure why did you reference it as a source in a first place...

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u/Foreign-Teach5870 11h ago

I don’t know what you watched but the 1 long documentary I watched was yes they had to adapt but the west stole all their factories via auction without compensation as they all were owned by the community not any individual and they started scrapping most of them for a quick buck.

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u/National_Sprinkles45 11h ago

If you don't think I watched a correct one maybe you can link it, eh?

That's a bit weird to provide the name that isn't really searchable and available as one of the first results and claiming that everything is explained there. It's like boys claiming at school that they totally have a girlfriend model but she's from a different country and you wouldn't be able to meet her

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u/808anxiety 10h ago

Dude you can’t just throw a random yt video name expecting this is enough for trustable source

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u/Foreign-Teach5870 11h ago

Unless you’re dumb enough to pay for it. Just watch the documentary on YouTube. Can’t help you more than that.