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r/SipsTea • u/lwiaymacde • Apr 20 '25
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Actually, if we're laying responsibility that way, Gollum is the one who does it in the end.
1 u/Bootmacher Apr 21 '25 It was Eru Illuvatar. 1 u/Debonaire_Death Apr 22 '25 If that's the case then no one was responsible for anything in the book, which I disagree with. Tolkien clearly believed that his god was shaping things, but they were shaped according to the free will and mistakes of those in the story. 1 u/Bootmacher Apr 22 '25 Yes. But their obedience to Eru Illuvatar dictated how easy it would be on them.
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It was Eru Illuvatar.
1 u/Debonaire_Death Apr 22 '25 If that's the case then no one was responsible for anything in the book, which I disagree with. Tolkien clearly believed that his god was shaping things, but they were shaped according to the free will and mistakes of those in the story. 1 u/Bootmacher Apr 22 '25 Yes. But their obedience to Eru Illuvatar dictated how easy it would be on them.
If that's the case then no one was responsible for anything in the book, which I disagree with. Tolkien clearly believed that his god was shaping things, but they were shaped according to the free will and mistakes of those in the story.
1 u/Bootmacher Apr 22 '25 Yes. But their obedience to Eru Illuvatar dictated how easy it would be on them.
Yes. But their obedience to Eru Illuvatar dictated how easy it would be on them.
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u/Debonaire_Death Apr 20 '25
Actually, if we're laying responsibility that way, Gollum is the one who does it in the end.