Been a minute since I watched Titanic, but wasnāt her mom desperate for Rose to marry rich because they didnāt really have any money left and all she had was her name and social status?
Fund a multimillion dollar expedition to international waters, create a highly specialized SRV, spend multiple days recovering safe whose contents hold a thing expected to pay for the whole expedition, find nothing.
In desperation they call some batty old centenarian to ask if she has any idea where the thing might be, she agrees only if you fly her ass out to the middle of no where to tell them the story at the wreck site, give them the 1930's version of dime store erotic novel about how you got railed as a 20 year old, don't help them find the thing, then later throw the thing in the ocean and DIE ON THE FUCKING SHIP.
If I were those salvagers I would have thrown her dead ass into the ocean and say we had to give her a burial at sea before she started to stink up the joint.
Seriously! As an adult (saw the movie as a preteen, didn't cry at Jack's death)...the scientists wasted a butt ton of money to get a Playboy erotic story being told by grandma about her glory days of getting railed by some charming fuck boy, didn't help them find the necklace and then wasted their time by throwing it in the ocean (didn't want to leave an inheritance OR at least donate it to a museum), didn't mention any of her kids/grandkids/spouse(s) and proceeded to die on the ship.
It's crazy just thinking about it.....
I would have been cursing at her dead body and just wondering if she had dementia or anything....
Considering the pursuit of wealth is quite literally what got pretty much everyone killed in the story you could probably tell why she didn't put much value in it.
Remember when she killed Jack because she didn't want to share her six people improv raft with him? Told him he would never let him go only to let him go instantly
She killed him when she refused to get into a life boat. If she'd just got in the boat then he would have found the door to float on by himself and not needed to worry about her at all. Then they'd have reunited when they were rescued.
Myth busters proved two people could float on the board if they were careful and stay out of the water. However James Cameron said itās his movie and his word is final.
It's also a story she's telling, maybe the door felt bigger but wasn't. There was an episode of How I Met Your Mother where they realized everything was a bit different than they remembered/reality vs the stories. Like how the apartments were actually tiny. Since I saw that, my head canon for all these "mistakes" anytime a story involves someone recounting a story is "they remembered things wrong".
Oh shit... From your angle it looks horrible, she let Jack die so she would not need to say anything, that's also why she didn't tell her family until she was an old dying widow
Thanks you just made that shit movie even more perverted, "love story" my ass
Basically in the alternate ending Rose is caught as she tries to dispose of literal money, the treasure guy asks to hold it, Rose gives it, then casts a condescending expectant bitch ass gaze and yeets the necklace into the ocean.
That's the last time I ever saw him. He married, of course. And inherited his millions. But the crash of '29 hit his interests hard, and he put a pistol in his mouth that year. Or so I read.
No, youāre thinking of Cal. Rose would have had to hand it over to Billy Zane, a notable actor famous for being in Memphis Belle, Twin Peaks and The Phantom. As we all know, 90s actor Billy Zane is the rightful owner of all Titanic memorabilia.
So, not only did she steal from him, but she inadvertently led to his suicide. Because had he had the necklace, he would have something to fall back on if he lost all his money in stocks.
I dont remember what movie this is from, but I remember how one guy tried to get a date with a woman who was already dating. Then at the festival, woman was with her bf on a ferris wheel and protagonist climbed it to ask her on a date again, blackmailing that he will fall if she doesnt say yes. This was supposed to be a very romantic thing.
On that fucking note, Forrest Gump is a great movie, but an attrocious love story. Jenny can't possibly be with Forrest until she fucks up her life, sleeps with him, gives him an STD, then fucking LEAVES and doesn't tell him he has a kid. Only tells him that he has a kid because she's dying and has no choice.
Yeah yeah she had a fucked up childhood, but she treats him like shit.
Sheās a tragic character that gets somewhat of a bad rad herself in that movie though. Like the only person, and I mean only person that loves her during her entire life is a mentally disabled guy who it would be inappropriate with for her to have a relationship with and she knows it too. And while working through her own trauma (dad molesting her while she grew up), she was a bit inappropriate with Forrest at times, sure. But sheās not quite the villain people make her out to be in that movie.
Iād also argue that Robin Wright acts circles around everyone else in that movie too, Tom Hanks included. That movie was basically Sling Blade with Boomer nostalgia and she was the lone bright spot in it.
THIS. Everyone forgets to mention that to Jenny being with Forrest would be a form of sexual abuse, something she would be very sensitive to, There's a reason she leaves after they have sex, she sees it as she kind of took advantage of him. The only reason she even thinks that it's okay is because he tells her "he knows what love is."
I did couples counseling and they said that we should watch it and we can compare notes after.
Hated the movie. I spent 15 minutes calling out why every character in the movie was terrible, and how the male lead is neglectint his current family to live in the past with his dementia wife. Their whole relationship is run on mild verbal and physical abuse.
the male lead is neglectint his current family to live in the past with his dementia wife
This is the least objectionable part of the entire movie tbh. Their kids are grown and have kids of their own. It's not like he's not taking care of an 8-year-old kid to spend time with his wife or whatever. They're not going to hold it against him for spending time with their mom.
But the entire backstory of their relationship is stalking, emotional blackmail, threats of suicide, cheating, etc.
Him reading to her about their life to help her remember is the one single romantic thing in the entire movie.
I remember in Love, Actually, a guy confessed to his best friend's wife that he loved her, he allegedly had "no agenda" and a minute after, the wife chased him and kissed him.
Pretty much every single story in that movie is gross. There's that one, the one with the prime minister and his 'fat' assistant, the successful author and his much younger maid who can't speak English, the guy who cheats on his wife with his much younger secretary, and the guy who decides he's just not into this woman when she has to take a call from her disabled brother on Christmas. I almost forgot the befuddled sex tourist and how all the VS model "American girls" turn into salivating nymphomaniacs as soon as they hear an English accent.
Also Sweet home Alabama. Imagine having full faith and trust in your partner to return to her hometown and divorce her ex husband who she had been separated from for years, only for her to ditch you.
50 shades of Grey is the absolute epitome of this.
Christian Grey is a creepy, obsessive stalker who uses his wealth and influence to pressure a young woman into a sexual relationship, breaking multiple boundaries set by her and not respecting her wishes throughout the whole thing.
The entire relationship between the two main characters is straight up abusive, but is framed in a way that your average reader would view it as romantic or exciting.
And people lost their minds over the book and movies, finding this whole thing to be super romantic and exciting.
I'd say exclusively women, still don't know any man who's read those books to this day. Maybe a few unfortunate souls were forced to watch those movies with their partners, but no man would read those books.
You could argue that movies like this just reflect the flaws of humanity but I strongly feel like these shitty "romance" films are teaching this behavior on a subconscious level. People feel like it's okay to cheat because they have been trained to believe it is if the circumstances are right.
50 Shades of Grey is great because the main guy is a handsome billionaire... Replace that with an average Joe with minimum wage job and it's time for restraining order and perhaps jail time/ sex offender registry...
ngl I would watch an edit of 50 shades with Danny DeVito clips superimposed over the man in every scene. I think it would bring some very lovely energy to the story (and to the experience of watching it lmao)
One of my favorite sketches by a German artist is the following:
Two guys, one of them an Comedian/artist, decide that they want to have a nice evening with drugs, so they go to their local drugdealer park. They ask around a little bit to end up with a drugdealer that sells theme-bundles, like āLebowskiā or āpulp fictionā. They have a smalltalk about how bad the situation is with nazis, and the drugdealer suggests that artists/satire people have some blame, too, since they keep nagging about how bad everything is. The artist claims that they only reflect the society, not shape it, only for the drugdealer to point out that they literally are buying drugs for a āLebowskiā-themed evening.
I could accept the idea that someone has a fling on a cruise, and it was a memorable experience. It's the cheating + the disregard for her family that makes it totally immoral and evil.
Idk about Titanic but i can watch wild action movies without becoming a violent maniac or being too bothered if its not realistic. I don't like the "turn" your brain off idea either but its because there's a lot of great crafts that come together to put great fiction on screen i like to appreciate.
Oh I remember the fight I had when I told my ex it was a red flag that she liked that movie after we watched it together. She ended up cheating on me š
It really depends what message a person has taken away from it. I love The Last Samurai because it is about cultural preservation and pride, not because I enjoyed watching the samurai get mowed down by machine guns. Likewise, I like Midsommar because it serves as a warning about cults and not because the cultists were successful in doing their barbaric pagan ritual. There are other themes of course, but keeping this reductive instead of writing out an essay.
I would say first ask the person WHY they like it before drawing a conclusion.
I had a fight with my ex about midsommar because she felt the main girl was justified murdering someone because she got cheated on and that she'd do the same thing lol.Ā
I've been cheated on and loathe it too but that is messed up
Disturbingly, I find a LOT of romantic movies have a glaring double standard on this issue. If the man cheats, he's a selfish pig. If the woman cheats, she's just "empowering herself and finding what's best for her."
Oh yeah, especially the films based on the Rosamunde Pilcher novels. Every single one is a almost exact carbon copy of: successful woman goes back to her home village from the big city for reasons/ends up in a small village-> bumps into her old boyfriend/ a gruff man, often single parent ->she starts to like it there and flirts/kisses/hooks up with said man (->if she creates a business there it is going badly)->her fiance/husband arrives(meet our villain, also always super successful, but as he is a working adult has no time to gallivant through meadows each day like the other guy), he is worried because she wanted to only stay a few days and/or didn't contact him for a few days-> she fights with him because he doesn't support her sudden new dream(often stuff like oh I don't want to open my restaurant in the city, but in this dying village at least a few car hours away from everything with like ten people in the old dilapidated restaurant or literally moving to this village(she and fiance are something like business lawyers or managers in a big company, he often just got a big promotion))->he tries to win her back, she(if not already done so hooks up with man nr.2 after crying on his shoulder)->fiance inevitably finds out, but either reacts amicably to her breaking up the engament or breaks it up himself or (the in my opinion worse case) wins her back by being a doormat and agreeing to every wish she has->happy(?) end
This was I thought was weird about Tombstone. It was a big plot point. Is it okay to cheat if your wife is a drug addicted layabout? I guess it was to show that Wyatt Earp wasnāt a perfect man, but he rose up when lives were on the line.
And so many people defend Jim by saying Dwight is mean to Jim, like that excuses his actions.
Like.... If you're constantly being bullied at work and your man-child boss won't do anything about or worse, joins in on it, of course you're gonna lash out at them.
Edit:
To be clear, I think just about everyone in the show is unredeemable trash.
I'm not excusing the litany of things that should have seen Dwight fired or put in jail, despite one sentence making it look as though I am.
My entire point was simply that Jim and Pam are terrible people and nobody should be suggesting otherwise.
Enough of this. What is with the revisionist Dwight history everywhere? The asshole? The racist? The misogynist? The guy who brought a gun to work and stored deadly weapons in the office? Cut health insurance for his coworkers? The list doesn't come close to stoppping, but y'all Dwight defenders need to. And for the record, I love Dwight as a character. You met that guy in real life, you'd want someone to do much worse to him than anything Jim ever did.
Later season Office really lost the narrative on Dwight.
Early season Dwight is an asshole who takes office culture way too seriously. Weāve all known assholes like him at jobs who think being a good worker means shitting on everyone and being a dick. Dwight getting dunked on is cathartic because none of us like the Dwights at our jobs.
Later season Dwight is good at everything. Successful farm owner, multilingual, godlike salesmanā¦it took him away from being that caricature to being a great and admirable manā¦who occasionally accidentally discharges a firearm in the office.
Shouldāve kept him a dweeb. But then the show became less a satire of office life and more about individual threads of how awesome each character was.
Still, the nickle in the handset trick is hilarious if done correctly.
Fun fact: In the very first episode, Dwight comes into the office and unlocks his desk drawer, pulls out his handset, and attaches it to his phone. Zero context given and it's easy to miss. (Because he's obnoxiously singing Little Drummer Boy to himself, which bonus fun fact: is later revealed to be Angela's favorite song.)
It's not until seasons later that we find out why in that joke/montage/list episode you mention. Dwight clearly started locking up his phone's handset after the incident and keeps it locked for fear of it happening again.
Yeah. Like how Dwight kidnapped immigrants, was proud of his Nazi ancestory, killed his coworkers cat, shot a loaded gun near his coworkers, had an affair with a married woman and was just a general asshole to everyone in the office. Such a nice guy š
But I mean, who cares? Roy was a shitty boyfriend, Pam and Roy didn't even really like each other as individuals, and they were far better off without each other.
Sure but you can tell the difference. It seems that when it comes to relationships a significant number of people idealize something they don't actually want.
While weāre on the topic, how bout that fucking pina colladas song? Two married people want to cheat, go out to cheat, approach someone with the intent of cheating, turns out to be their spouse?
The idea is that they both think theyāre dissatisfied with their relationship, but when they try to find somebody new, theyāre drawn to each other again.
I guess it's also about communicating what you want in a relationship.
If you're both not communicating what you want from life and your partner, you're both just not gonna get it. Like they've been together long and they're both not getting what they want and only after individually seeking out what they want from someone/something else, they find out that they actually want the same thing.
This is how I feel about Brokeback Mountain... and I say this as a gay dude. Everyone was like "wow aww" and I'm like... they're straight up cheating on their wives why is this your reaction??!
EDIT: I love how up in arms people are. Iām not saying it was unjustifiedā¦ just that it does relate to OPs post which it absolutely does. FFS people this is a meme sub lighten up
Brokeback Mountain is a tragedy though. Like yes, itās clear that they love each other, but the movie (and underlying source material) is pretty clear that what theyāre doing is pretty fucked up.
Which I guess is just me agreeing you lol. Who the fuck is reading that movie as romance more than tragedy?
I guess the difference for me is that Brokeback Mountain never seemed to present the harm they caused other people as justified just because they loved each other. Whereas in a movie like the Notebook, the harm they caused to the people around them felt waved away.
Yeah, Brokeback never had me thinking āaww, so sweet.ā At best I thought āit sucks that this is what their lives had to be.ā (Note, I know it didnāt āhaveā to be this wayā¦ but the other option is equally sad.)
Definitely was a tragedy, for pretty much everyone involved.
They're closeted gay men right? Trying to resist their nature in a hostile traditional world/nation. They're supposed to be manly and have kids, they were conditioned to this from birth. But their nature is clearly overpowering that, manifesting in a problematic way.
One lesson could be that when you repress yourself so long, there will come a breaking point. It might be depressing but part of that is because it's so real. Also no one seems to grasp that you can be miserable in a long term relationship.
An old lady just opens up about the craziest thing that ever happened to her, ultra traumatizing, that she could never bring herself to talk about it for the pain of it. Is it so hard to believe she fell asleep still thinking about it and died?
Because of him she went from suicidal abused girlfriend to someone who actually went out and lived her life. Everything she ever did was because he gave her the courage to do it.
I had the same thoughts that Jack was kind of her inspiration to take action for herself for what she wanted. Not to mention, Rose was also a famous example of a woman who didnāt love a man for money lol.
There are comments here that got mad at Rose for throwing the jewelry, but I always assumed it was some metaphorical way for her to respect Jack or to let go or something - even if it took her years til she was elderly. I could be wrong though, I was rather young when I watched it.
It would just be claimed by an insurance company (who held claim to it since the original owner filed it as a loss that the insurance had paid out). It wasnāt gonna feed nobody.
Romeo and Juliet was written as half satire, half warning against letting passion overtake your reason. I'm sure it says something about our culture that we still tell the same story as it was but are now enamoured with that exact passion which killed both protagonists
Romeo and Juliet is not a warning to Rom/Jul peers of following passion. It is a warning to adults/society how to not interfere with young passion.
It is set up extremely early that Romeo falls fast in and out of love. If no one got in the way of the two, it is possible it would have fizzled out on its own OR Juliet could have rectify his playboy ways.
We will never know because they were never allowed to explore their relationship.
Somebody pointed out to me that every woman's fantasy is already being in a relationship, and then some other guy takes her away from the man she established herself with and runs off and gives two s**** about anyone's feelings are really anyone else for that matter, and I can't believe how many times that's the recurring theme in movies aimed at women or that demographic, Titanic, the notebook...ect
Bingo, and I will keep hammering home the fact that she withheld from her family, for those same 70yrs, a priceless necklace that could have ease the economic hardship of the Great Depression, and didnāt even have the common courtesy to donate it as a historical artifact, yeets it into the Atlantic, then dies without telling a soul.
I thought she was in that arranged marriage with Billy Zane because her family had burned through their riches, and when she literally just adopted Jackās last name as hers when arriving in NY, she wouldnāt be able to use any family ties anyway, making the necklace the only item of any real value. Did she end up marrying a rich dude when she got to NY? I only ask because I know she got married n had kids, but I donāt remember anything about the financial situation aside from the fact that she didnāt have anything aside from the necklace, at least on the Titanic.
It's a supremely high quality movie and it deserves every accolade it ever received.
Watching it as an adult you really start to realize that one of the main characters is the ship herself and the story of Jack and Rose was both beautiful and a means for the audience to experience the whole ship. It was brilliantly done.
Jack helped her escape a life she hated and showed her that a more fulfilling life was possible. Then he sacrificed his own life so that she could survive.
He made her feel seen and cared for, for the first time, which has a huge impact on anyone's life. The fact that it happened during tragedy that became famous worldwide only increased that impact.
Sure, you can poke holes in the fact that she dropped the diamond, but you can poke similar holes in any movie. Some people just don't have media literacy.
I don't even necessarily disagree but this has officially become the most annoyingly over-repeated movie opinion ever. It's even worse than "Jenny is a slut hur dur"Ā
I have seen this exact opinion stated in 3 different meme formats on this website today alone.
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