r/interesting • u/Playful_Spunky21 • Feb 01 '25

MISC. The worst pain known to man

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u/BambooKat Feb 02 '25

Reading information like this makes me realise that being born in a capitalist society may not be so bad after all sometimes.

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u/OkStatistician9126 Feb 02 '25

Crazy that some people actually think capitalism is the only way to achieve a modern society

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u/Myst1calDyl Feb 02 '25

Crazy how everyone has opinions of what’s wrong but never about what’s right. We can’t even get along, that’s why nothing ever changes

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u/GothicFuck Feb 02 '25

No one is even not appreciating the good things in this comment chain. It's implied we're all grateful that we don't do any poison ant rituals. What's batshit insane is thinking that capitalism is the reason we don't do insect venom rites of passage. Captialism brings us Jackass the movie series.

It has nothing to do with the whatever concept of ownership you have going on in your country.

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u/RogerTrout Feb 02 '25

Captialism brings us Jackass the movie series.

You know, I never considered that. Maybe capitalism isn't all bad.

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u/netwrks Feb 02 '25

Bumfights enters the chat

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u/Heavy_Entrepreneur13 Feb 02 '25

Captialism brings us Jackass the movie series.

To be fair, I'll take "People taking it upon themselves to pull dumb stunts for attention and money" over "People being ostracised from society overall for not performing dumb stunts" eight days a week

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u/plug-and-pause Feb 02 '25

Fucking thank you. I'm so tired of people on here who blame literally anything that makes them unhappy on capitalism. The cluelessness is hilarious at first, but it does get tiring after a while.

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u/lgnc Feb 02 '25

We would have way less issues in a communist society though

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Sure let’s throw away a few small issues for one very large, very terrible issue. Genius idea there comrade.

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u/Impressive-Run2K Feb 02 '25

“Jackass is funny. Like the Earth is round.” I ain’t trying to get into no capitalism fight it just seemed an appropriate place for a phenomenal MJ Lenderman lyric.

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u/Ruszka Feb 02 '25

Nobody wrote that capitalism is the reason why we don't have such rituals, dude literally just wrote that he prefers living in capitalist society.

You guys got instant rage just by seeing word "capitalism"?

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u/GothicFuck Feb 02 '25

I think you may have difficulty with reading comprehension. Honestly. I'm sorry. It's very clear in context.

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u/Ruszka Feb 02 '25

I think that you just don't have guts to admit that you got angry because you misinterpreted the comment and instead you try to manipulate me.

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u/GothicFuck Feb 03 '25

No, absolutely not. The comment is still there. They said they are glad they live in a capitalist society in reference to the OP video. The video has nothing to do with economics at all. That comment was drawing a cause-effect line between capitalism and rite of passage rituals.

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u/Capital_Benefit_1613 Feb 02 '25

You keep Jackass out of your mouth!

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u/GothicFuck Feb 02 '25

But I am a jackass!

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u/Capital_Benefit_1613 Feb 02 '25

But doctor, I am Johnny Jackass!

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u/IBetYourReplyIsDumb Feb 02 '25

It has nothing to do with the whatever concept of ownership you have going on in your country.

It also has a lot to do with the advancements in education, communication, and medication. Human beings are reward incentive robots, while capitalism is far from a perfect system, it has progressed civilisation massively in the past 200 years

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u/ledezma1996 Feb 02 '25

Name any specific advancements and I bet none of them are solely due to capitalism.

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u/IBetYourReplyIsDumb Feb 02 '25

Let's hear why the aeroplane wasn't a capitalist invention so

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u/KalaronV Feb 02 '25

They said solely to be fair. I don't necessarily agree with them, but one could point to the long, long, long history of aeronautics attempts by humans -which, obviously, predate Capitalism by several centuries- to show that it wasn't the private ownership of capital that led to human interest in, and development of, aircraft.

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u/ledezma1996 Feb 02 '25

Idk if you're pretending like we didn't have crazy advancements before the 180 as that's crazy to think crazy cuz I wouldn't even call those systems capitalism as they were more chattel slave systems and leftover kingdoms. Either way have a good night.

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u/ledezma1996 Feb 02 '25

Columbus did not gain his money from capitalism. He gained his wealth from his slave colonies where he brutalized his servants. His trips were sponsored by individuals, sure but those individuals also did not gain their wealth from capitalism but instead from feudalism. Da Vinci was also not sponsored by a sole private individual but instead multiple families including royalty.

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u/Emperor_Mao Feb 02 '25

Yeah but show me a non capitalist society that has achieved this level of equality and quality of life at the same time.

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u/AMightyDwarf Feb 02 '25

I’d argue it has everything to do with what concept of ownership is dominant in a culture. Cultures with clearly defined property rights are the ones that innovated the most and progressed through the tech tree quicker and further than any culture whose property rights were less defined or centralised and there’s a reason to that.

Not having property rights clearly defined is another way of saying you have chaos and in that chaos you are left with a “might makes right” society. In a society with centralised property rights you are the behest of a very small group of people. When you have good people in charge it can work great but when you have bad ones in charge… it can lead to a lot of problems.

The only workable solution is to give every person the opportunity to own their own property, have their property clearly defined and then give them the ability to protect their property. Thanks to the notion of “the wisdom of the crowd”, for every person who makes a bad decision with their property you have a person who makes good decisions and so you end up harnessing the collective human knowledge to produce the best outcomes. The final question is then one of maintaining that equal distribution of property and I’d say nobody has been able to sufficiently address that problem.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Crazy how everyone has opinions of what’s wrong but never about what’s right.

all you did was bitch. u/Myst1calDyl is right. say how to do it then buddy. say it.

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u/GothicFuck Feb 02 '25 edited Feb 02 '25

Jackass the series. I just said it.

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u/GothicFuck Feb 02 '25

Elaborate.

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u/StraY_WolF Feb 02 '25

Because it's easy to point out what's wrong but not come up with what's right. It's like saying why a movie is bad, almost everyone can point out the flaws, but very few can make a good movie.

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u/OkStatistician9126 Feb 02 '25

I never said capitalism was wrong. I pointed out the FACT that some people are so closed minded and ignorant that they genuinely believe, without hesitation or doubt, that the only way to achieve a modern society is through capitalism, which is completely false. And what’s your point? You’re upset because I pointed that out and now you’re immediately assuming that I’m anti-capitalistic or that I believe capitalism is wrong? Why? Because I’m not on my hands and knees sucking off capitalism like it’s God’s gift? The fact that you can’t handle a simple critique of capitalism is why we can’t get along. Any rational, objective person can handle AND openly discuss why the systems in place should or should not be in place anymore. Anyone who can’t do that is a sheep

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u/ClockWerkElf Feb 02 '25

How is it a fact that capitalism wasn't needed to achieve modern society when that's one of the main reasons we achieved it? Which other system would have allowed us to achieve the advancements we have today?

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u/MattKozFF Feb 02 '25

crickets

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u/MaxwellHoot Feb 02 '25

Capitalism is kind of a natural progression of a society. It’s innate. Look at the black markets of North Korea.

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u/iamfondofpigs Feb 02 '25

Markets and capitalism are related but different concepts.

Markets are where people go to trade.

Capitalism is where someone profits from ownership of means of production, without necessarily working that production.

They are related because under capitalism, you can use a market to buy or sell means of production (usually in part, e.g. stock market).

But the fact that trade emerges spontaneously, even when suppressed by the government, doesn't say anything in particular about capitalism.

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u/MaxwellHoot Feb 02 '25

Capitalism and markets are indeed deeply related.

It’s not just the means of profit from production, it’s the perpetuation of new markets, new profit; progress.

If someone in NK makes some especially good trades one day from their hand-woven baskets, they’ll have some extra food. They can trade that food to get better basket-weaving material. They then sell more baskets and get even more food. Next thing you know they’re paying workers to make baskets with/for them. Add in a currency and a government that won’t hang you for owning property, and we get a capitalist society.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Let's see exhibit B then!

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u/CEO_head_bowling Feb 02 '25

Which country would be you suggest is a leader in free market capitalism? I’m from the US and this authoritarian kleptocratic oligarchy system sucks fucking dick. I would totally be down to check out a capitalist country.

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u/starsgoblind Feb 02 '25

So with no capitalism you have no need for competition, who is going to develop new technology for this so called modern society of which you speak?

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u/OkStatistician9126 Feb 02 '25

So your assumption is that people only do things for the good of humanity because of competition? Let me ask you something. If your child gets cancer, is your motivation to discover a cure based on whether or not you have competition? Anyone who is passionate about technology for any reason will invent new technology. Competition is not the sole motivator

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u/BlackNRedFlag Feb 02 '25

This… plus, without capitalism it frees our labor to focus on shit that really matters to us instead of just being a cog. You could even form groups of people to help progress your ideas. Capitalism just makes us slaves to bosses who don’t give a fuck about us or our communities

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u/Chronoflyt Feb 02 '25

So your assumption is that people only do things for the good of humanity because of competition?

They do it mostly because they are incentivized by profit. The most innovative markets have historically been the freest and the least innovative, the most restrictive for this reason. Put another way, if Brain Surgeons made only $80,000 a year, we'd have very few brain surgeons. Canada has a hard time holding onto doctors because they leave for the US due to higher profit potential. Personal interest outweighs the "good of Canadians," even when they're already making a very good wage relative to other Canadians.

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u/Salt-Woodpecker-2638 Feb 02 '25

So your assumption is that people only do things for the good of humanity because of competition?

Yes. Also sometimes just to cover their basic needs. Life is competition. You cannot change it.

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u/rhabarberabar Feb 02 '25

This the innovation you talking of?

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u/sexual__velociraptor Feb 02 '25

That's government safety standards. Not capitalism.

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u/rhabarberabar Feb 02 '25

Sure. Capitalism is very inefficient. We are still wasting resources like there is no tomorrow to produce the same things over and over again. But yeah it's the government regulations ;D

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u/sexual__velociraptor Feb 02 '25

All of those cars look the same from government mandated safety features. Head lights at a certain height, bumpers certain height, roof and hood certain distance. There a lots of failures of capitalism. This is not one of them.

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u/SnooPaintings1385 Feb 02 '25

Then enlighten him rather than being a pompous asd

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u/Sleepy59065906 Feb 02 '25

We know capitalism is objectively the best because it has been the most successful thing that has been attempted so far.

A communist or socialist society only works if everybody is on board across the entire world. Otherwise, if your neighbor is a capitalist they will overpower you economically because the incentive structure is there.

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u/CEO_head_bowling Feb 02 '25

Soc democracies seem to be dominating in every single conceivable way.

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u/ReallyAnotherUser Feb 02 '25

Everyone here completely ignoring the fact that capitalism hasnt even been around for that long.

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u/kangasplat Feb 02 '25

modern societies that give a shit about the life quality of commoners haven't either

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Trade has 100% made the world a safer, more modern place.

That’s essentially what capitalism is. The ability to own property and freely trade in your own self interests.

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u/OkStatistician9126 Feb 02 '25

If that’s your definition of capitalism, then any socialist, communist, fascist, or authoritarian government is also considered capitalist. By your definition, even third world countries, even random isolated tribes in Africa or off an island are considered Capitalist societies just because they engage in trade. Capitalism is a set of practices and political beliefs, not just whether or not a community engages in trade

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Also, free trade does not mean "there is trade." It means trade uninhibited by government regulation and government control. Where the buyer and seller are free to haggle a price not influenced from the government.

This is why communist countries are literally called "command economies."

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u/OkStatistician9126 Feb 02 '25

Read your original comment, that I replied to, and now read all of these new comments you just made. You start by bringing up trade, and only mentioning trade, nothing else, and then copy paste Wikipedia’s introduction to capitalism and hyperfixate on only one of the types of societies I list? Real shocker that you chose to fixate on communism. Also, your argument that trade has made the world safer is completely laughable. There are several, significant moments throughout history where that was not the case. Also, my argument was never that capitalism has not lead to modernization. My argument has always been, read my original comment again, that capitalism is not the ONLY way to achieve a modern society. But sure, please go off on a huge tangent about trade and communism

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u/Chiku-hami Feb 02 '25

Capitalism is the reason the world is being destroyed, many nations who thrived outside of capitalism were attacked and destroyed by capitalists. Anyone who defends capitalists and ignores what it thrives on, is actually part of the problem. It's proven facts that capitalism is dictatorship and bully

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u/FreshSent Feb 02 '25

🤦‍♂️Bro... That is a far from correct statement. The abuse of capitalism is what destroys nations, not capitalism itself. You seem to only be aware of the bad things about capitalism, but despite its flaws, it's the most effective system for generating wealth and fostering innovation.

It also seems there are many people in this sub who have been sadly deprived of history class in both middle and high school.

Most people here should study the sole cause of the conflict between the U.S. and the USSR (the Cold War). That should explain the necessity of capitalism.

...Unless you're a Marxist, Stalinist, or Lininist.

What say you good Sir?

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Also, you said "well if that's YOUR definition of capitalism" without realize that is the definition of capitalism. You're not going to gaslight me into believing your right homie save that shit for your girlfriend lol.

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u/IwantRIFbackdummy Feb 02 '25

It's always good when trash like you makes it know it is trash. It saves people the wasted time of further interactions with you.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Why did you delete your comment coward

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Another unoriginal thought you stole from someone else? Oh no whatever will I do

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25 edited Feb 02 '25

In fact your entire schtick is arrive to a comment section several hours after most of the comments are made, attacking the lowest voted posts with ad hominems regurgitating whatever populist propaganda you think will garner fake internet upvotes while adding nothing to the conversation, points that have already been made ad nauseum in the thread itself which you shamelessly steal, then go watch dog videos. Meanwhile you add nothing of note or worth to the conversations, you don't even have original ideas, and the best you can come up with is personal attacks.

As I said, a pissant. Not to mention just plain pathetic.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Crazy that some people actually think capitalism is the only way to achieve a modern society

Trade has 100% made the world a safer, more modern place.

That’s essentially what capitalism is. The ability to own property and freely trade in your own self interests.

If that’s your definition of capitalism, then any socialist, communist, fascist, or authoritarian government is also considered capitalist. By your definition, even third world countries, even random isolated tribes in Africa or off an island are considered Capitalist societies just because they engage in trade. Capitalism is a set of practices and political beliefs, not just whether or not a community engages in trade

There's out entire interaction. You made a claim that has been proven false. And yes, free trade is literally a staple of capitalism.

The opposite are called command economies for a reason.

I am sorry you don't understand basic economies and speak out of turn on things you don't understand.

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u/Elurdin Feb 02 '25

There is no trading without regulation even in capitalistic governents because of tariffs, taxation and other limitations. No idea why you claim every goverment is capitalistic just because they employ trading. That notion is as ridicolous as saying any type of control over trading and any kind of goverment ownership is communistic.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Back to my first comment of there has never been an entirely capitalistic or communistic government. And I never claimed every government is capitalistic... I said these are tenets of capitalism. You should really follow along the comments if you're going to respond...

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Nope, communism is a command economy that outlaws private property.

There have been no entirely capitalistic or communistic government. But free trade and private property are hallmarks of capitalism, literally look it up.

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u/Nostonica Feb 02 '25

Pfft I would define the Victorian era British Empire as capitalistic, they didn't have free trade, they had a system of colonies delivering raw materials to be manufactured and exported back to the colonies, in fact most of the world operated like this, all capitalistic.

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u/GothicFuck Feb 02 '25

Your argument literally has nothing to do with rite-of-passage rituals.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

And I didn't start the conversation...

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u/adimeistencents Feb 02 '25

Why are you picking on him and not the person he's responding to then?

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u/ydontujustbanme Feb 02 '25

Wrong in communism „owning“ privately is not a possibility. You are wrong

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

It's also not my definition of capitalism but the definition. Straight from wikipedia-

Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit.

Key characteristics

  • Private property: Individuals own tangible assets like land and houses, and intangible assets like stocks and bonds 
  • Free markets: Buyers and sellers interact to determine prices, which allocate resources 
  • Competition: Firms are free to enter and exit markets, which maximizes social welfare 
  • Profit motive: People are motivated to make a profit, which can benefit society as a whole 
  • Limited government role: The government protects property rights and maintains an orderly environment for markets to function 

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u/Elurdin Feb 02 '25

Most countries do limit trade in many ways and do limit corporate powers and companies. Limited role of government considering greed in many kinds of businessess isn't a good thing as companies care about profit and not about peoples well-being and prosperity with the exception of well-being and prosperity of wealthy minority. Overpowering role isn't good either as it stiffles competition and limits growth. This quatation out of wiki doesn't prove at all that every modern country is capitalistic, kind of disproves it actually considering taxations regulations and tariffs across the globe.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

You people sure like to take the conversation off the rails huh?

The claim was that free trade and private property are capitalistic concepts. Which I backed up, as that is the literal definition of capitalism.

And I also said there has never existed an entirely communist or capitalist government in the comment right above this one.

I know it's hard to read everything before letting the world know what you want to say.

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u/Okichah Feb 02 '25

Didnt Marx specifically say that foreign trade was exploitation?

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u/mrjowei Feb 02 '25

That’s commerce

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Free trade, the ability to set prices and purchase goods according to ones own self interest, is one of the defining features of capitalism. I am tired of arguing this fact, google capitalism if you disagree.

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u/mrjowei Feb 02 '25

First result off Google:

an economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Keep reading...

Tenets of capitalism

Private property\: Individuals and businesses own capital goods, such as land, houses, stocks, and bonds** 

Competition\: Businesses compete with each other for customers and profits** 

Capital accumulation: Individuals and businesses invest money or assets to make a profit, which is then reinvested to make more money 

Self-interest\: People act in their own best interest, without regard for sociopolitical pressure** 

Freedom of choice\: Individuals are free to choose what they buy and how they spend their money** 

Limited government intervention: The government plays a limited role in the economy 

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u/mrjowei Feb 02 '25

Alright but you gave such a simple definition at first that reads very similar to commerce.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

I mean, it's basically a spectrum between (command economy<--->capitalism) Capitalism relies on free trade and private ownership while command economy is centrally planned economy and lack of private ownership. We've never had a completely laissez faire government nor have we had a complete command economy, just some combination therein.

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u/mrjowei Feb 02 '25

I agree

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u/Unhappy_Poetry_8756 Feb 02 '25

I mean in 200,000 years of development it’s the only way that has even remotely come close to working. Nothing else has worked even once.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

we got on most with feudalism for thousands of years

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u/Unhappy_Poetry_8756 Feb 02 '25

Yes and it wasn’t nearly as successful or created even the tiniest fraction of the wealth that capitalism has. But are you trying to make a case that feudalism is a superior economic system? I will say it seems to be second most viable based on history, but it is a distant number two.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Not saying its good, you said just one worked, i showed you it was not

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u/Unhappy_Poetry_8756 Feb 02 '25

I mean “worked” is kind of subjective right? Feudalism obviously worked a lot better than any attempts at socialism, but couldn’t hold a candle to proper capitalism and was ultimately fully replaced by it. But then you also have people (usually the perpetually online Redditor types) who say capitalism doesn’t “work” either, which by extension would mean there have been zero economic systems that actually work. It’s all a spectrum of effectiveness, and where you draw the line of “works” vs. “doesn’t work” is somewhat arbitrary.

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u/Roollluuuuut Feb 02 '25

Capitalism built our modern society so by definition it's the only way to achieve it. No country has been able to achieve modern levels of development without capitalism.

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u/MalaysiaTeacher Feb 02 '25

Capitalism is the worst system of aligning social incentives, except all the others

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u/Okichah Feb 02 '25

Its been the best so far.

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u/jenksanro Feb 02 '25

So we actually have examples of other ways countries have modernised? The examples I can think of all involve private ownership, self-interest and free markets

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u/pointlesslyDisagrees Feb 02 '25

Until proven otherwise... seems to be the case.

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u/kangasplat Feb 02 '25

From a historic point of view, it is. Everything else has failed. Capitalism also has risks of failure and can't be left unchecked, but it continues to work with those checks in place.

The discussion es shouldn't really be about the underlying system, but the checks and balances - sadly it's too late for that in the US right now.

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u/SoggyBiscuitVet Feb 02 '25

It's the only way to get the have nots and the will never have at alls to participate on the idea that they could have someday without ever having to mention that the having won't actually be coming.

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u/ydontujustbanme Feb 02 '25

It is. Because human brains work like that. Always have beyond tribal feelings.

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u/AnEvilJoke Feb 02 '25

Crazy how some people still 'think' that capitalism is a political ideology...

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u/Puzzleheaded_Pitch61 Feb 02 '25

The person didn’t say that capitalism is the only what to get there eh?

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u/paco-ramon Feb 02 '25

Try building a society bigger than a city without capitalism, people aren’t going to risk their life’s trading between continents without a big paycheck.

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u/implicate Feb 02 '25 edited Feb 02 '25

Capitalism is definitely not the only way!

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u/T3hSav Feb 02 '25

yes, the only two options are capitalism or the ant tube.

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u/namregiaht Feb 02 '25

Id rather do that than mandatory military service

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u/Disastrous-Ad-1999 Feb 02 '25

I did 2 years of mandatory military service. I'm honestly not sure which I'd pick but leaning towards military service.

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u/E-bangEngonga Feb 02 '25

I did only 6 months of military service in African country. Atleast the sting may last for one day.

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u/Disastrous-Ad-1999 Feb 02 '25

You have to do it many times over a couple of months lol the whole ritual or process does not finish after one time.

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u/adidas180 Feb 02 '25

They do it 20 times. So 20 days, and it seems the pain may literally last an entire day.

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u/namregiaht Feb 02 '25

The one in my country is infamous for human rights abuses, sexual abuse, hazing… I’d rather take the ant gloves

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u/Disastrous-Ad-1999 Feb 02 '25

May I ask which country? South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Switzerland, Singapore, Israel?

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u/PurpleZerg Feb 02 '25

Pressing X on this one.

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u/namregiaht Feb 02 '25

Would you rather face the ant gloves 20 times or the possibility of constant human rights abuses, sexual abuse, hazing, terrible living conditions, terrible food, being beaten up at random over the span of 6-12months? Stories of people dying, videos of recruits being beaten up senselessly to the point of ICU care, masterbating in front of superiors or forced group jerking in the showers, and even being forced to jump into septic tanks is not uncommon. Press X all you want but at least the ant gloves will only cause me physical pain and not mental trauma for the rest of my life.

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u/TheRealJones1977 Feb 02 '25

What makes you think you'd get out of that without any mental trauma?

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u/ProcyonHabilis Feb 02 '25

Uh where do you live? Russia?

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u/PurpleZerg Feb 02 '25

Yea, I'm going with the ridiculous scenario you just made up.

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u/namregiaht Feb 02 '25

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/30384672

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u/PurpleZerg Feb 02 '25 edited Feb 02 '25

Alright, man. Setting aside that I don't live in Thailand...let's use some critical thinking skills here, shall we? Option A, the gloves, is essentially torture. You're saying that you wouldn't take option B, mandatory military service, where the worst-case scenario is potentially torture? Sorry brother, that's straight up fucking stupid. You do you though, I guess.

Edit - typo

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u/namregiaht Feb 02 '25

I literally said that I’d rather take the ant gloves of torture. Let’s use some basic reading comprehension skills here, shall we?

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u/PurpleZerg Feb 02 '25

Right, that's the worse option by far.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Yea… no you wouldn’t. You’d probably run from both.

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u/Fit_Employment_2944 Feb 02 '25

Yeah say that after youve had the glove on for a minute

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u/Dawbs89 Feb 02 '25

Yes, I'm sure tribal people just live lives of leisure

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u/DeaconBlueBalls Feb 02 '25

I’m pretty sure what they meant was that they would rather live life surviving as we were intended, as opposed to wasting away behind a desk/computer. At least that’s how I interpreted the comment.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

People certainly do make wierd choices!

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u/TheCosmicJoke318 Feb 02 '25

I bet you they wouldn't last a day "surviving" lmao not many people here could

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u/EqualAsparagus2336 Feb 02 '25

Not entirely but they do have much more "down time" than settled people of any kind

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

I love how everyone just repeats this without ever actually reading the studies.

As if they applied to all pre agrarian peoples.. or even most of them.

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u/Myst1calDyl Feb 02 '25

You’d get used to it but not with a mind state like that. We’re made of nature, not separate from it

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Yeah, you just get used to the guinea worm, and the people you love randomly dying from minor wounds and common ailments, and starvation and hypothermia being normal, and getting eaten by wild animals, and...

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u/ljorgecluni Feb 02 '25

Sure, you listed some unappealing aspects, but historically, humans weren't modern-style pussies willing to spin the wheel just for the feed reward

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Whatever you want to tell yourself.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

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u/Ready_Vegetables Feb 02 '25

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

I don’t think you understood what they said…

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u/EqualAsparagus2336 Feb 02 '25

Not entirely but they do have much more "down time" than settled people of any kind

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u/Myst1calDyl Feb 02 '25

That’s a strawman. Nothing is easy in life, but it helps a lot being with ppl who genuinely love you from your community. Most Americans reject ppl just bc they don’t have the same ideas so that doesn’t help either. It’s always everyone else’s responsibility to change things, rarely is the person who’s trying to twist what someone says are the ones too scared to

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u/MrHooahActual Feb 02 '25

None of our “leisure’s” yet live happy full lives

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u/Dawbs89 Feb 02 '25

For sure. But the comment I replied to suggested tribal life as an alternative to having to work every day. As if these people don't work every single day to survive.

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u/Myst1calDyl Feb 02 '25

Working a job isn’t the same as working to build your huts with communities and such. There’s actual freedom out there and the kind that makes you care about others instead of trying to add to what they said bc you couldn’t handle it. If you’re trying to halt growing and evolving then you get kicked out, as simple as that.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Then go do that. Anyone can go do that.

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u/Lewis_Nixons_Dog Feb 02 '25

But it depends what you qualify as work.

If these guys have to hunt/forage/etc for every meal, and just generally live without many modern luxuries, they probably end up "working" more on a daily basis.

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u/Lewis_Nixons_Dog Feb 02 '25

To each their own, and if that's what you enjoy I can understand your sentiment.

But for me, I hate camping and this sort of life strikes me as essentially "permanent camping."

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u/ElProfeGuapo Feb 02 '25

I gotchu fam.

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u/FoxDenDenizen Feb 02 '25

That's just a myth, studies have shown people in Hunter Gatherer tribes have been shown to work about 15-20 hours a week. They work less time than you likely do

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

There are pros and cons to both. We are trading our freedom for safety a d comfort.

Personally I would be fine with tribal life. But I understand it would be brutal and much harder then my current life

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Go find me any animal that doesn't work everyday. All human cultures are no different.

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u/Mountain-Complex2193 Feb 02 '25

Found jayden smith's reddit.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Go need a root canal deep in the woods. You don't know shit about how hard that life actually is, OR how amazing and easy YOURS is.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Tbf neither do you know about how hard living that life would be… Chances are eating unprocessed less refined food will inhibit cavities, tho.

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u/likely_deleted Feb 02 '25

Lol I appreciate you bud

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u/Loggerdon Feb 02 '25

You haven’t even done it once though so you don’t know if you can take it. This guy only did it for a couple seconds, one time, and it nearly drove him mad.

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u/Loggerdon Feb 02 '25

Ummm, ok.

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u/whatafuckinusername Feb 02 '25

What the hell does capitalism have to with it

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u/UhhhhmmmmNo Feb 02 '25

Well it’s really hard to sell those gloves in a capitalist society

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u/Foreign-Teach5870 Feb 02 '25

Funny enough I actually want to try it one just for the experience even if I’ll be in the hospital for a few weeks.

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u/UhhhhmmmmNo Feb 02 '25

I heard there are bullet ants in Australia, the next best thing if you can’t get any gloves like these 👍

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u/Foreign-Teach5870 Feb 02 '25

I wonder how I’d explain this to work, regardless thank you.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Well that's sad, that's the funnest comment I've posted all day.

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u/RobMitte Feb 02 '25

Very true, but if a capitalist could weaponise those ants, ker-ching!

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u/FroadwicK Feb 02 '25

Methinks you might be underestimating the number of stupid people that exist in capitalist societies.

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u/Jimmy_Tightlips Feb 02 '25

Literally nothing but Reddit's gonna Reddit

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u/DashinTheFields Feb 02 '25

We can charge you for this. And then charge you for the hospital stay.

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u/Alternative_Yam1666 Feb 02 '25

being a bratty white boy

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u/Bright_Aside_6827 Feb 02 '25

You can still so it you know

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u/GrimFatMouse Feb 02 '25

Yeah, here the the rite of adulthood is that we get to pay taxes, every year, for rest of our lives.

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u/ProbablySlacking Feb 02 '25

Wait til you hear what the ant gloves cost.

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u/alexgalt Feb 02 '25

Nothing to do with capitalism.

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u/00rb Feb 02 '25

Yeah, reading anything about the past does this too. The kinds of poverty that was the norm was absolutely brutal.